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Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:02pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Three manifestations make up the Godhead(Colossians 2:9 and Genesis 1). |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:03pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:So no answer to this question right? No walaha. I shall just assume you do not want to blaspheme since it is obvious you reject the divinity of Jesus. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:05pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Please what exactly is your point with these multiple questions? Because I certainly do not see your reasons or logical point to aruge John14:9 |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:06pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
John 17 v 1-5; 1. After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him [/b]authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those [b]you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began Dear Ammishaddai, was God the Father praying to Himself in this scripture, or was God the Son praying to the Father? Please explain to us how many persons are involved in this scripture? One person or two members of the God head? Look at the bolded part of the scriptures and pick out the pronouns... |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:10pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Now I ask you : why can't God pray to Himself? Or why can't God commune with Himself. Answer |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:14pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: It’s sheer madness, there would be precedents in the scriptures. Kindly show us where God the Father prayed to Himself since the creation of the world. I’m waiting patiently. I know where God repented (had a change of mind), but please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:15pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:God causes an ax head to float in water yet you did not tag that madness abi? Kwantinue |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:17pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Why must there be precedents to how God chooses to behave? Please tell me since you have now become God's spokesman. And while you are at it,figure Isaiah 9:6.And kindly tell us why Isaiah chose to call Jesus "The everlasting Father ". |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:17pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Nice diversion, please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself. Let’s start with the Old Testament, bring up scriptural references, patiently waiting |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:18pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Is Jesus the Holy Spirit? Yes or No. Don’t dodge the question. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:19pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:I asked you a question and you have still not answered? It is well. When you have answers buzz me. But meanwhile, stop making Jesus a liar according (John14:9). |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:20pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: The answer to your question regarding Phillip is in Colossians 1 v 15-16 I have answered you on this before, you don’t have to lie about it bros Jesus is an image of the Father, as Colossians 1 v 15-16 clearly mentions. Why would Phillip want to see Father when his image/reflection was in flesh on earth? |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:21pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Bros when you are ready to debate kindly buzz me. But for now, you are shifting gears like tricycle. Peace |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:22pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: I never shy away from your questions in case you’re looking for an excuse to run away. John 14 v 9 is clarified in Colossians 1 v 15-16. Unless your next argument is to tell us an image/reflection of something is also that same thing |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:23pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Did you read the yes or no clause I attached to the question? Of course you did not, you probably just decided to skip it since you knew that it is true. Which makes you a hypocrite |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:23pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:I am looking for an excuse not to argue with one who is inconsistent |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:27pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Someone just beat a hasty retreat. It’s okay, I understand. Next time, 1) explain to us how a God the Father can be uncreated and yet be the first born of all creation at the same time. 2) Also explain to us how Jesus the Son of God can be seated at the right hand of the Father and yet this is one person. 3) A passage in Hebrews or one of Paul’s letters I think mentions how Jesus intercedes on our behalf to the Father. So God the Father is interceding to Himself abi? Your position doesn’t add up at all, and John 17 v 21 kills your view point on claiming the Father is also the same person as the Son. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:30pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: My position has been consistent right from my first post on this thread. The God head is made up of the Father, the Son and the Spirit. They are a team of one mind and one goal. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit and vice versa. So no need to lie that I’m inconsistent. Everyone following this thread will read through. Thankfully, the internet never forgets... |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:32pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
[s] OkCornel:[/s] 1. I asked if Jesus lied to Philip when He said He was the Father, and dogded by asking a question with a question. Who does that? 2. I ask you why you find it impossible for God to be the Son (since this is a title) and at the same time be God. Which you still dodged by asking me a question. Showing more of your inconsistency. 3. I then said let me make things easy for you by simply boiling John 14:9 discourse with a Yes or No format of which you did not even give an answer, but still (as usual) dodged by quoting was was not even related to the topic and now, you want me to entertain your folly further? Oga, I do not have time for inconsistent persons. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:35pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Dear brother, Jesus’ words are the ultimate standard, the answer to your question is in John 16 v 28. Well unless Jesus is the liar here now; John 16 v 28; 28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. Pay attention to the words, for the Father is greater than I. If Jesus is the Father, then who is greater than who in that sentence hmmm? |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:38pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: And I’ve told you, Jesus is an image of the Father, Phillip didn’t have to see the Father if His reflection or image is already in the Son. Colossians 1 v 15-16 clarifies this already. Jeez. Jesus didn’t lie to Phillip. Unless you can tell us where in the scriptures Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER” Waiting patiently. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:39pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: He can’t, there’s no scriptural reference or precedent showing us where God the Father prayed to Himself. Or can you show us? Especially from the Old Testament? |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:43pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:So Isaiah lied that Jesus is the Father, right? Can you see how you keep getting into more and more trouble... |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:45pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:This particular question is ideological and it has nothing to do with the bible. I asked it to understand how you view God. And from your answer, your view is equivalent to that of Muslims. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:48pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: I just replied you with Jesus words nau. Should I take Isaiah’s words over that of Jesus? Just show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER” I’ve also shown you John 16 v 28, Just tell us Jesus was lying there when he said “the Father is greater than I”. I wonder who sees the truth more clearly, Isaiah or Jesus? Oh wait, Jesus is the Truth himself isn’t he? So did he lie when he said “the Father is greater than I” hmmm? Please show us anywhere in the scripture Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER” |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:49pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Just show us where the Father prayed to Himself nau? |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:50pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
It’s so simple and straightforward, the son is not the Father, and the son is not greater than the Father |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:52pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
1 Corinthians 11 v 3; 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God Dear Ammishaddai, if Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time, please explain who is the head of Jesus in this scripture? |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:53pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:So in conclusion, you reject some parts of the bible that do not sit well with your interpretation of what is written. So I can safely conclude that you doubt the words of Isaiah by calling him a liar, and hold unto the words of the apostles who wrote the gospels on the principles of Isaiah. Right? Nice one. Anyway, Kwantinue tagging certain authors of the bible liars. And who knows, you may just end up like Muhammad of the Quran who tagged what he like and threw what he did not like in the Bible |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 1:57pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: Jesus’ words are the things I hold onto ultimately. For example, do you still hold onto the laws of Moses “ an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”? Does that also mean that law wasn’t from God? Jesus is the purest version of truth there will ever be. So please show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER” Simple. Please also explain who Jesus’ head is in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3. If Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time, well unless Paul is a liar too. |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by Ammishaddai: 1:59pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
OkCornel:Please tear out those pages of your Bible and hold onto the one that suits your fancy. And who knows, you may end uo having your own personal Quran just like Muhammad |
Re: 30% Of US Evangelicals Does Not Believe That Jesus Is God, Survey Says by OkCornel(m): 2:05pm On Apr 20, 2021 |
Ammishaddai: You’re getting emotional now. Calm down. We’re having a discussion, not a debate. Do you get this emotional when you evangelise? Lol... Check out the fruits of the Spirit and don’t lose your cool okay? Now are you suggesting I should stick to Moses law of an eye for an eye, or Jesus’ instruction to turn the other cheek if I’m struck? These are both in the scriptures nau? Obviously Jesus’ words are the ultimate standards of truth even though both instructions are from God and is in the scriptures I have in no way denied Jesus’ divinity so relax. My simple point here is the Father is not the Son and vice versa. Now read 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 and tell us who Jesus’ head is. |
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