OkCornel:


Because the Father (Yahweh, the I AM) had already conferred authority upon the son (Jesus or Yeshua, whichever you prefer)

Exactly what Jesus prayed for in John 17 v 1-5

So God is Transferring authority to God. Correct?

Ammishaddai:
Please do not bring level of understanding into this discussion because that would be most stupid thing you have said so far

It’s your level of understanding that’s deficient, which is what I’m pointing out. Lol

OkCornel:


It’s your level of understanding that’s deficient, which is what I’m pointing out. Lol

And your stupidity is showing in your post by saying there are three gods...is that not so?

Ammishaddai:
So God is Transferring authority to God. Correct?

God the Father is conferring authority on His Son (God the Son - Jesus).

Jesus asked the Father for this in John 17 v 1-5.

After he faithfully and completely finished his assignment on earth, The Father conferred His glory and authority upon Him (the divinity and authority you accused me of denying earlier)

Ammishaddai:
And your stupidity is showing in your post by saying there are three gods...is that not so?

Oh well, perhaps you might want to tell us who the Father was referring to when He said “Let us” create man in “our image and likeness”

Kindly explain to everyone where “us” refers to a single person, lol.

This is basic comprehension nau...

Please also tell us who Jesus’ head is as per 1 Corinthians 11 v 3.

Dear Ammishaddai, another thing to sink your teeth into. Since according to you Jesus the son is also the Father... lol;

John 14 v 15-21;

15 “If you love me, keep my commands.

16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”



Dear Ammishaddai, I can see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in this passage. Is Jesus the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

OkCornel:


God the Father is conferring authority on His Son (God the Son - Jesus).

Jesus asked the Father for this in John 17 v 1-5.

After he faithfully and completely finished his assignment on earth, The Father conferred His glory and authority upon Him (the divinity and authority you accused me of denying earlier)

Another one of your stupid remarks. Hebrews 1:8 said Jesus is God and God transferred his authority to Him. This thing ain't hard. I know you're black and you probably hate reading. So just pick up that scripture (Hebrews 1: and slowly digest before adding more stupidity to this thread

Ammishaddai:
Another one of your stupid remarks. Hebrews 1:8 said Jesus is God and God transferred his authority to Him. This thing ain't hard. I know you're black and you probably hate reading. So just pick up that scripture (Hebrews 1: and slowly digest before adding more stupidity to this thread

Yes, yes more outpouring of emotions

Read Hebrews 1 v 5-8; was Jesus referred to as both the Father and Son? Or just the Son.

Basic comprehension mehn.

Now compare that with 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 and tell us who the head of Christ is


Pour out your emotions if it will make you feel much better. I’m here to discuss

OkCornel:
Dear Ammishaddai, another thing to sink your teeth into. Since according to you Jesus the son is also the Father... lol;

John 14 v 15-21;

15 “If you love me, keep my commands.

16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”



Dear Ammishaddai, I can see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in this passage. Is Jesus the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

Father, Word and Spirit still mean the same thing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And these three are one (1John5:7). And since Colossians2:9 tells us the fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus, then that simply points Jesus to the divinity as God.

Cashout on that

Ammishaddai:
Father, Word and Spirit still mean the same thing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And these three are one (1John5:7). And since Colossians2:9 tells us the fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus, then that simply points Jesus to the divinity as God.

Cashout on that

Very good, so read John 14 v 16. That means Jesus ascended to Heaven and came back as the Holy Spirit abi? Lol. That means Jesus has come back nau, since according to you the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same thing.

Na wa o, lol

Let’s read John 14 v 16 slowly. Take note of the word “ANOTHER ADVOCATE”

John 14 v 16;

16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—


So according to you, Jesus is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit? Lmao.


I wonder what your understanding is when Jesus said he didn’t come to do his own will BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

I wonder how someone would read this and still conclude the Son is the same person as the Father. Chai, this is hilarious

Ammishaddai:
Father, Word and Spirit still mean the same thing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And these three are one (1John5:7). And since Colossians2:9 tells us the fullness of the Godhead is in Jesus, then that simply points Jesus to the divinity as God.

Cashout on that

Very good, you subtly omitted the part that mentioned the fullness of the God head IN BODILY FORM.

Now carefully read 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 and tell us who the head of Christ is. E no hard nau, lol.

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OkCornel:


Very good, so read John 14 v 16. That means Jesus ascended to Heaven and came back as the Holy Spirit abi? Lol. That means Jesus has come back nau, since according to you the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the same thing.

Na wa o, lol

Let’s read John 14 v 16 slowly. Take note of the word “ANOTHER ADVOCATE”

[/s] Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30

Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered, Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" John 14:8, 9

Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says. It is that simple. Question : do you disagree with what He said about Himself?

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John 10:30

Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered, Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" John 14:8, 9

Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says. It is that simple. Question : do you disagree with whay He said about Himself?

You’re running back to the conversation Jesus had with Phillip, and I mentioned Colossians 1 v 15-16 already clarifies that.

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.


Also Colossians 2 v 9 which you mentioned earlier shows Jesus is the fullness of the God head IN BODILY FORM.

So why would Phillip need to see the Father when the reflection of the Father is already in the Son?

Very basic comprehension bros.


Now please answer my questions;

1) How can Jesus be the Holy Spirit when he clearly referred to the Holy Spirit as ANOTHER ADVOCATE in John 14 v 16?

2) Who is the head of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3? Abi Jesus was the head of himself?

OkCornel:


Very good, you subtly omitted the part that mentioned the fullness of the God head IN BODILY FORM.

Now carefully read 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 and tell us who the head of Christ is. E no hard nau, lol.

Olodo, Bodily means unspiritual(check your dictionary). That scripture tells you that God chose to dwell in Jesus. Which is why He said " I am in the Father and the Father is in me ". (John14:10). This is simple English language oga

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OkCornel:


You’re running back to the conversation Jesus had with Phillip, and I mentioned Colossians 1 v 15-16 already clarifies that. Also Colossians 2 v 9 which you mentioned earlier shows Jesus is the fullness of the God head IN BODILY FORM.

So why would Phillip need to see the Father when the reflection of the Father is already in the Son?

Very basic comprehension bros.


Now please answer my questions;

1) How can Jesus be the Holy Spirit when he clearly referred to the Holy Spirit as ANOTHER ADVOCATE in John 14 v 16?

2) Who is the head of Jesus in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3? Abi Jesus was the head of himself?

[/s] Back to square one of answering questions with questions. More stupidity coming from your end. Typical procedure for people who cannot argue intelligently

Ammishaddai:
Olodo, Bodily means unspiritual(check your dictionary). That scripture tells you that God chose to dwell in Jesus. Which is why He said " I am in the Father and the Father is in me ". (John14:10). This is simple English language oga

Very good, you are catching on.

So is the body and the spirit the same?

Read Colossians 1 v 15 -16 slowly.


Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD.

Is the image/reflection of the Father (the Son) the same thing as the Father Himself?

Comprehend this, then you’ll understand why Paul wrote this 1 Corinthians 11 v 3;

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] Back to square one of answering questions with questions. More stupidity coming from your end. Typical procedure for people who cannot argue intelligently

Lol, you realise you’re shooting yourself all over the place, and now you’re dodging even harder.

Is Jesus also the Father and the Holy Spirit? You said they are the same thing.

I asked you a simple question as to why Jesus then referred to the Holy Spirit as ANOTHER ADVOCATE in John 14 v 16... still another session of dodging from you.

If Jesus is same as the Holy Spirit, does it now mean Jesus was the one who returned on the day of Pentecost? Or was it another member of the God head?

You see how your position doesn’t add up at all?

You can’t even use the scriptures to prove to us where the Father prayed to Himself as you claimed Jesus is the Father

OkCornel:


Very good, you are catching on.

So is the body and the spirit the same?

Read Colossians 1 v 15 -16 slowly.


Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD.

Is the image/reflection of the Father (the Son) the same thing as the Father Himself?

Comprehend this, then you’ll understand why Paul wrote this 1 Corinthians 11 v 3;

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Olodo, nobody ever saw God, and Jesus is the manifestation of that invisible God. Stop being intentionally stupid.


For God to make Himself known He had to assume something humans could see. Which is why Isaiah wrote " for unto a Child is born, unto us a Son is given ; and the government will be upon His shoulder. His name will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace ". (Isaiah 9:6)


This is a " precedent " that God laid down for clowns like you to see. But unfortunately, foolishness prevailed over your sense of reasoning

Someone is having a hard time differentiating the image of a thing (the Son), from the actual thing itself (the invisible God - The Father) Lmao.

Ammishaddai:
Olodo, nobody ever saw God, and Jesus is the manifestation of that invisible God. Stop being intentionally stupid.


For God to make Himself known He had to assume something humans could see. Which is why Isaiah wrote " for unto a Child is born, unto us a Son is given ; and the government will be upon His shoulder. His name will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace ". (Isaiah 9:6)


This is a " precedent " that God laid down for clowns like you to see. But unfortunately, foolishness prevailed over your sense of reasoning

And I’ve told you with Jesus’ own words where he mentioned “the Father is greater than I” in John 14 v 28;

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.


Was Jesus lying that the Father is greater than him? Yes or No.

I can’t speak for Isaiah, but here is Jesus himself speaking. So did Jesus lie here?

Did Paul also lie in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3?

OkCornel:
Someone is having a hard time differentiating the image of a thing (the Son), from the actual thing itself (the invisible God - The Father) Lmao.

You still do not understand that God manifested Himself in three different forms. Think of it like phases of water :Gas, Solid and liquid. Each of these phases appear as different states, but it does not change the chemical property of the substance water.

Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's

2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's

3. Who sends angels? God

4. To whom belong the elect? God

5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's

6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God

7. Who comes from Heaven? God.


Here are answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20
2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20
3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]
4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13
7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28


Read it and weep nigga

OkCornel:


And I’ve told you with Jesus’ own words where he mentioned “the Father is greater than I” in John 14 v 28;

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.


Was Jesus lying that the Father is greater than him? Yes or No.

I can’t speak for Isaiah, but here is Jesus himself speaking. So did Jesus lie here?

Did Paul also lie in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3?

But Isaiah says Jesus is the Father. And you want me to believe you over Isaiah? God forbid...

OkCornel:


Lol, you realise you’re shooting yourself all over the place, and now you’re dodging even harder.

Is Jesus also the Father and the Holy Spirit? You said they are the same thing.

I asked you a simple question as to why Jesus then referred to the Holy Spirit as ANOTHER ADVOCATE in John 14 v 16... still another session of dodging from you.

If Jesus is same as the Holy Spirit, does it now mean Jesus was the one who returned on the day of Pentecost? Or was it another member of the God head?

You see how your position doesn’t add up at all?

You can’t even use the scriptures to prove to us where the Father prayed to Himself as you claimed Jesus is the Father

Isaiah 9:6 has told us prior to the birth of Jesus that He was the Father. This is simple logical, not calculus

Ammishaddai:
You still do not understand that God manifested Himself in three different forms. Think of it like phases of water :Gas, Solid and liquid. Each of these phases appear as different states, but it does not change the chemical property of the substance water.

Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's

2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's

3. Who sends angels? God

4. To whom belong the elect? God

5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's

6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God

7. Who comes from Heaven? God.


Here are answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20
2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20
3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]
4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13
7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28


Read it and weep nigga

In other words since according to your level of understanding, Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit, that means Jesus returned on the day of Pentecost?

It really baffles me when the truth is so self explanatory but you decide to reject it. Lol

So according to your understanding Jesus is also the head of himself in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3?

According to you “let us” create man in “our image and likeness” is referring to one person, not multiple members of the Godhead. Chai

Lmao, ride on

OkCornel:


In other words since according to your level of understanding, Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit, that means Jesus returned on the day of Pentecost?

It really baffles me when the truth is so self explanatory but you decide to reject it. Lol

So according to your understanding Jesus is the head of himself in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3?

Lmao, ride on

I cannot reject what my Bible says, and what it says I have quoted to you. Jesus is my God and Lord and I worship Him(John20:28); I pray in His name He delivers me.(Matthew 18:19-20)
So why should I not say He is God...? Bros pack well abeg.

OkCornel:


In other words since according to your level of understanding, Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit, that means Jesus returned on the day of Pentecost?

It really baffles me when the truth is so self explanatory but you decide to reject it. Lol

So according to your understanding Jesus is also the head of himself in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3?

According to you “let us” create man in “our image and likeness” is referring to one person, not multiple members of the Godhead. Chai

Lmao, ride on

You speak like one devoid of wisdom. Do you not know that when God uses "US " it implies decisions making? What happens after the US is that you will hear " and God". This is simple. But do not crack your head too much. Use the water example I gave to try and comprehend

Ammishaddai:
I cannot reject what my Bible says, and what it says I have quoted to you. Jesus is my God and Lord and I worship Him(John20:28); I pray in His name He delivers me.(Matthew 18:19-20)
So why should I not say He is God...? Bros pack well abeg.

Oh wait, was it another book I was quoting from all the while?

Just show us where the Father prayed to Himself (oh you already admitted you can’t use the scriptures to prove this)

and where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

End of the matter. As far as I’m concerned Jesus always mentioned he came to do the will of the Father, not his own.

He also said the Father is greater than him. So feel free to preach to the world that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit too. You will explain better to him on the last day. No qualms

Ammishaddai:
You speak like one devoid of wisdom. Do you not know that when God uses "US " it implies decisions making? What happens after the US is that you will hear " and God". This is simple. But do not crack your head too much. Use the water example I gave to try and comprehend

Oh, that was what your English teacher thought you that “Us” means?

How many people does “us” refer to? Singular or plural? So basic thing to comprehend.


Let us create man in our image and likeness. So “us” and “our” on that sentence represents one person abi?

You need a bigger lie to cover up a smaller lie, but ride on.

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OkCornel:


Oh wait, was it another book I was quoting from all the while?

Just show us where the Father prayed to Himself (oh you already admitted you can’t use the scriptures to prove this)

and where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

End of the matter. As far as I’m concerned Jesus always mentioned he came to do the will of the Father, not his own.

He also said the Father is greater than him. So feel free to preach to the world that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit too. You will explain better to him on the last day. No qualms

[/s] More cluelessness. Jesus had two natures : a divine nature and a human nature. Which is why sometimes He spoke as man, and other times He spoke as God.

Lastly how will Jesus find fault in me when it is His own words I read? Bros keep your judgment to yourself and fight for your own salvation

OkCornel:


Oh, that was what your English teacher thought you that “Us” means?

How many people does “us” refer to? Singular or plural? So basic thing to comprehend.


Let us create man in our image and likeness. So “us” and “our” on that sentence represents one person abi?

You need a bigger lie to cover up a smaller lie, but ride on.

Bros we are talking about the situational context here biko. When God uses "US", it implies just one thing :

To make decisions and to bring together The Father, Word and Spirit to agree on an action. (See Genesis 1 and the story of the Tower of Babel.).


Please study your bible and stop this silliness

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] More cluelessness. Jesus had two natures : a divine nature and a human nature. Which is why sometimes He spoke as man, and other times He spoke as God.

Lastly how will Jesus find fault in me when it is His own words I read? Bros keep your judgment to yourself and fight for your own salvation

And the head of Christ was himself according to your understanding of 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 abi?

Jesus was also lying when he said the Father is greater than him in John 14 v 28 abi?

Ride on bro, ride on...