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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 1:55am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Fezz:Is it I who said Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No it wasn’t I. It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife. And archaeological research & dating results agree with this Benin tradition. It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of science and your own traditional account. I once asked you to mention the name the awories called Lagos before the Benins established the land and named it Eko, but you have stylishly avoided that question.I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to. I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease? ![]() Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all. (1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s. (2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26). (3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44). (4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that: The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them. This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’]. I am still waiting for you to give me the name of the community Oduduwa grew up. We want to know the compound he grew up . Don't tell me it is a hilly place blah blah blah, or that it is the same community as the ooni blah blah!. Be precise and mention the name of the compound that raised Oduduwa in ile-ife. Let's see proofI have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it. You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says: Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged. Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’. Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state? According to Olugbo of Ugbo it took Oduduwa 16 good years to learn ife dialect, and you are here deceiving the public that Oduduwa was born and grew up in ile-ife. I have told you before to go and find out more about your real ancestors because you are obviously lost.And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history? Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it. Now to debunk you properly: EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize. The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative. Cheers! Cc: nisai, gomojam 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 2:24am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Fezz:My brother na so she be I nor dae too bother myself with her matter |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 3:20am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:a |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 3:31am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Is there any reason why you inserted your comment within mine and made it appear under my moniker? Is this a mistake? Please modify and separate your comment from mine. If you don’t, then I’d assume you’re being a fraudulent Benin man as is to be expected by default. UGBE634:Moreover, this comment of yours doesn’t relate to anything I wrote. I think this comment wasn’t meant for me. It must be a mistake, right? We know who the dullard is here, we are from a family of nobility, where every binis can trace his ancestor back to the earliest times not a slave line.Yeah your people are too scared to narrate to you all the account of how the Yorubas marched on Benin kingdom, conquered natives, captured them, and sold them to the Americas. Moreover, you all are slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. So, ••• https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/ check village 284, 308 and 491. the three villages were named and these are not recent communities.Make your self clear. You really didn’t say a thing here. oxogbo or Ago sincerely do not make meaning to me as a Bini manI’m glad you said it doesn’t make sense to you. It does make sense to your elders though. Ask them, and then confirm it from a Bini lexicon. that Ereko theory must have been one of the biggest lie of the century.I know that’s what truth feels like for most people that have been over fed with lies. D’Avezac 1845: Yorubas named Lagos island as Eko. Alan C. Burns 1929: Lagos island had acquired the name Eko long before immigrants came in. Egharevba 1952: Binis named Lagos island as Eko. A random Bini Nairalander: Yorubas are 21st century liars for saying wE BeNiNs didn't name Lagos as Eko. Me: Binis should actually be pitied for considering basic common sense as an abomination. By the way, the name “Ereko” is still well-known on the island till date. And the contracted form “Eko” is not only know in Lagos, but also somewhere in Osun State.
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 3:45am On Apr 24, 2021 |
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 3:49am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Moreover, you all are slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. So, •••[/quote] We are not, his family is not the wealthiest in Benin, neither is his family with the most reach but we just believe we should respect him. he did not force us neither can he,there are men who have gone against him in time past and did not die. you can't get this level of respect anywhere FORCEFULLY. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:04am On Apr 24, 2021 |
https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/I said village 284 , 308, and 491 were named eko with their prefix, what would you say about that, and they are clearly not recent communities especially with the overlord role Benin played in Lagos up till independence |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:04am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:I usually don’t like doing this, I’m only doing it because you brought it up. So bear with me. (1) Your people were sold by the Yorubas. Evidence of this appears in the testimony of your people to Dr. R. E. Bradbury during his ethnographic survey of Benin kingdom. (2) Benins being slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the present-day wealthiest family. It is about the traditional custom. And you have once admitted this. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1 Moreover I have an eyewitness account which testified that the general Benin populace are slaves of the Oba of Benin, and that each person has a proud moniker, viz. “king’s slave”. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:10am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:Yes Binis encountered the name Eko in Lagos island when they immigrated there in the late 1500s. So what if Benin named some community after a word which became part of their lexicon in the 1500/1600. Did you not see this part of my comment earlier, or did you selectively ignore it as is to be expected? Moreover, what do you mean by Benin played overlord role in Lagos up until independence? Do you want to be more specific? Did you mean that Lagos was conquered? Or did you mean that the royal house of Lagos is a line paternally descended from Benin? Or did you mean that Lagos was apparently fulfilling its part of an early agreement? 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:20am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:You must be an idiot,the Umogun family is so large now, where would you now draw the line, Areafada2 is from that family, would you say he is a slave,and he has a moniker here, when I said that we are all slaves, I meant his family included in respect to him. the family will also shout Oba GHA to kpere just like every other family would. The Benin family system is such that every family was seen as having emerged from a 'uniquely' great ancestor who did his part in making sure the Benin kingdom cum empire survives. Ologbosere who was tried and killed is from the LA-OKUN family and anyone from that family who greets his oriki in the morning would be revered with praise from his ancestors in such a way that he will be happy and will believe that his family has a stake in Benin just like every other family having done his bit to ensure the survival of Benin kingdom. the same thing with the Ezomo n'uzebu family who their patriarch was the commander in chief of the armed forces. the same thing with Obaseki who their patriarch was also once the prime minister of Benin kingdom. The Benin family system is seen in such a way that every family is important and without the support of each family patriarch, the Benin kingdom cum empire which once was would not have been possible. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:24am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:She clearly had some level of control especially with the act of recognizing king from that end don't y think so |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:25am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:Oga please argue with your comment as attached below. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1 Only the Oba’s line from Ife are exempted from being regarded as “Oba’s slave”. Others are all sufayo — “king’s slave”. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:29am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:No! There is familial relationship (through Ado’s mother), as well as political relationship initiated with the Yoruba progenitor, Ashipa. History is NOT imagined. Help your self by reading one peer-review article on Benin history which is published in a world-renowned academic journal. Stop being scared whenever you encounter the word “read” |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:33am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:That is your opinion and sincerely it's not tenable in Benin, there is no discrimination here in Benin that is the opinion of one person in ogbomosho, and would certainlynot affect the state of things on ground. that is why I asked you where would you now draw the line. Areafada2 is from that family and he is defending the Benin cause just like everyone else. When I said what I said ,what I explained to you was what I had in mind, what so ever you thought out of it it is sincerely yours and yours alone. the Oba family met families in Benin too |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:34am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:Your words (in the attachment below) are your words — NOT MINE. Can’t you recognize your own moniker again? www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1 Read your own words in that attachment, slowly this time around. |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:37am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:I said we, comprehension is a problem for you, what I meant by we was all Benins which the Oba's family is a part of |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:41am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:You agree that you and your family members are slaves of the Oba of Bini, but you sha want to pack everyone to join yourself. Wait are you saying AreaFada2 is a slave of the Oba of Benin? That’s a wonderful revelation by the way. ![]() Well, not all of you are his slaves though. His family members are not. While you common folks have the title: “Oba’s slave”; his family members have honorific titles reserved for them, such as: “Iyoba,” “Oloi,” “Ediken,” etc. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 4:48am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:That is why I am still insisting you are a slowpoke, it is only the recent reigning monarch the wives and the first son that bears those titles, what about the late Oba with several sons what about those that descended from ozolua and are normal citizens of Benin today what about the brothers and descendants of Osewende, what about the descendant and brothers of Adolo. all greet UMOGUN as their Oriki! where will you now draw the line! not just the reigning monarch. all the descendant of eweka till date greet UMOGUN as their Oriki where will you draw the line q |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 5:00am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:You’ve now made a claim that it is only during the reign or the recent reigning Oba use these homorific titles. Please substantiate your claim. Thanks! Yes, I am aware that your claim is a made-up one which you will be unable to substantiate. But to outrightly debunk you on it (because you can’t even substantiate falsehood); Iyoba Idia is Esigie’s mother. She lived in the 1400s/1500s. In conclusion, only you general populace use the title “king’s slave”. His family members have honorific titles reserved for them. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 5:12am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:you know I am no longer surprised,the yorubas are not capable of intelligence,the Oba's mother title is meant for the living the title of iyoba was giving to iyesigie because she was alive as at that time. the same with the title of the edaiken of uselu it is the present reigning monarch son that bears the title in waiting for the throne and when he assumes the throne all the other sons becomes larger part of the Edo society. Then I ask, where do you draw the line slowpoke!. I sincerely don't expect an answer from one whose tribe is associated with slavery.your brain is sincerely under your feet |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 5:16am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:I don’t care what your AreaFada2 is? What is AreaFada2? Is that the name of a beer? From the name I think he is a slave of the Oba? Anyways, you didn’t prove your claim that Ediaken, Iyoba, and Oloi only began for the recent monarch. That is your claim which you must prove. I have demonstrated that Iyoba for example is a title from centuries ago this debunking your rubbish claim that the title started ‘yesterday’ The Oba’s family members are NOT his slaves. It is you and your parents, etc. who are his slaves. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 5:22am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:There is nothing to prove there as you are certainly not capable of intelligence, the iyoba title was given to esigie's mother because she was alive at that time, the present monarch was once an Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the throne of Benin but he is now the king and his first son would be the next Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the stool. the title of the oloi is for one who is alive. just the way oba eredieuwa was once an oba but he is no more, ewuare is the king now, the same with the oloi, I won't expect you to understand because you have an IQ smaller than that of a mosquito. you won't understand your father probably was deported from Jamaica they must have tormented his brain which is actually telling on your intelligence |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 5:25am On Apr 24, 2021 |
UGBE634:No! When you make a claim you have a burden to prove it. You have a special title — Oba’s slave. The Oba’s family have honorific titles instead. You have claimed that these honorific titles were very, very recent. This is your claim which you must prove. You and parents are the Oba’s slave. While his family members are nobles. 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 5:29am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:I never said they were very recent I only said it is used by one who is alive at the moment, or in the case of the Edaiken, the first son in waiting. I am vast on bini history and won't make such a comment. I am sincerely not dull like you, your comprehensive ability is so low! |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 6:57am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:Areafada ko Areacommander ni! 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Olu317(m): 7:48am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Fezz:There is no iota of doubt about havng knowledge of your ancestors history but that of your Oba Bini isn't complete without Yoruba's prince, Oramiyah,who was Ogun's descendant. Though Odudu's meaning in Bini language in the context of Yoruba's OduIwa/DoodooIwa remained implausible from Bini's account but I agree with you that Ogiso gave birth to Ekerlehedan, who founded Gwato or Ughoton. In the context that thousands of Edo indegne and some present day migrants to Warri land knows this, information above ,is the reason do I ask you,who was the Ohen Okun priest,who was the leader of Gwato or Ughoton land as at the time of Afonso D'Aviero visitation to Ughoton and Bini Oba Esigie in1485/1486 ? Cheers |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:11am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Olu317: Sharap ya mouth! join me later when I will factory reset your brain together with that professor of nonsense TAO11 or TAO12, you both will be eternally grateful after this impartation Stick around boy |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:16am On Apr 24, 2021 |
nisai:. Very foolish girl, claps, dances and roll on the floor at every nonsense uttered by her Olodo mentor |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:26am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:34am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Fezz:. TAO11/TAO12 aka Bobrisky has been evading further questions about her heritage but right here the masquerade will dance naked |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 9:07am On Apr 24, 2021 |
Fezz:. While the Aworis were still trekking down and running from civil wars, the Eguns of Badagry had landed and very much on ground at the Badagry axis When they finally arrived they had to be paying tributaries to the Obas, after couple of years some disgruntled regenades ran to the now Isale Eko so as to avoid payments of any sort unlike the Eguns |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 9:16am On Apr 24, 2021 |
TAO12:. Ghen ghen! what I have been waiting for, them say one day monkey go enter market and e no go come back.... |
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