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Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by EzeNri(m): 9:04pm On Apr 23, 2021 |
BiniSupremacist:Bini Kingdom was formed in 11th century AD while Oduduwa started reigning in Ife after defeating Obatala in the 12th century. That is over 100 years gap. So, how come Yorubas are claiming superiority over Bini that's over 100 years older than them? theTranslator TAO11 |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by BiniSupremacist: 9:13pm On Apr 23, 2021 |
EzeNri: The ogbomosho part got me laughing hard Wishing they kept their tribal marks for identifications Those long tribal mark |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theTranslator: 10:03pm On Apr 23, 2021 |
EzeNri:As I said Drink bleach Tao has always claimed Awori Drink hydrochloric acid ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by EzeNri(m): 10:09pm On Apr 23, 2021 |
theTranslator:The Fraud once claimed Ijebu. But you are not Egba, stop lying. |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theTranslator: 10:33pm On Apr 23, 2021 |
EzeNri:You are not igbo |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by EzeNri(m): 7:46am On Apr 24, 2021 |
theTranslator:OK. But stop denying your place, be proud of your origin and stop trying to drag Egbas into Yoruba ethnic group |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theTranslator: 8:13am On Apr 24, 2021 |
EzeNri:why should I sent my origins? you are stupid ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by EzeNri(m): 8:20am On Apr 24, 2021 |
theTranslator:Keep insulting your ancestors, Son 1 Like |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by ToInfinity7777: 8:36am On Apr 24, 2021 |
theTranslator:Which Ondo state are you talking about? The grandson of Oduduwa from Ile-Ife was the founder of Akure, and I'm a direct descendant of Oduduwa. It's your own headache if you're arguing my history with me. I can smell jealousy, we Yoruba are great, God has lifted us up already, and there's nothing you can do about that! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by BiniSupremacist: 10:19am On Apr 24, 2021 |
ToInfinity7777: Didect descendant of Oduduwa that never existed this guy sha Is a pity you guys hold to one friction to cover up history you guys never had Oduduwa myth was made up by an oyo writer in 1897 to flasely unite the yorubas into one ancestory to avert the war the yorubas were about to fight The writer was Samuel johson.... Who wrote the history of yorubas, thinking uniting all yorunas into one ancestory will help them form unity because he knew one day the European would come and have them colonize into one entity and his book would be useful Surely the day came, when awolowo sort to unite the yorubas with the book of Samuel johson the various tribes in yoruba frowned at it, until he educated them on the need to for political strength and they agreed to the Oduduwa one ancestory myth Now you claiming the frictional Oduduwa as your Ancestors makes me want to know you on your head for not knowing this fact Ezenri EzeNri
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Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by EzeNri(m): 10:40am On Apr 24, 2021 |
BiniSupremacist:We have always told them that Yoruba is a political alliance of minority tribes in the western region. |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by BiniSupremacist: 10:54am On Apr 24, 2021 |
EzeNri: Yep Even the benin-ife myth started after the Benin fell to the British, when oba eweka11 was reinstalled in 1914 as the oba of benin after years of the stool being vacant Then it was still indirect rule were monarchs were used to govern, so he made political aliance with the western monarchs for political strength And he was added as an Oduduwa sons And the historical myth was published on how the imaginary oromiyan came to establsih benin royal stool Note this Oromiyan is indigenous to oyo people and not ife Oduduwa was created from the imagination of samuel Johnson.... Ifa was what was indigenous to ife, the woship of Ifa was by the people of ife alone, it was the name ifa that they corrupted the name to ife, So oba eweka11 didn't mind the postion the made up myth kept him below the ooni, after oba eweka11 had died and oba akenzua couldn't take the insult yorubas were given him and edo people in western region, and they planned on how to move out, before awolwo also provoked the rest of delta people and the fate of Midwest's was sealed So after midwest was established the oba of benin began throwing shades at the yoruba monarchs and rewrote the myth his father agreed to, as one of Oduduwa son, but this time the benin wrote Oduduwa came from them.... This is how the myth is still going on till today Fezz, KingOKON, UGBE634, |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by ToInfinity7777: 11:38am On Apr 24, 2021 |
BiniSupremacist:Keep giving yourself headache on top my own history�� |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by BiniSupremacist: 12:18pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
ToInfinity7777: I have studied your history and devoid it of myth We know how the myth of Oduduwa flew to benin..... It all originated after amalgamation And not historically based |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theTranslator: 12:42pm On Apr 24, 2021 |
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Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by Bangeez: 2:35pm On Apr 26, 2021 |
The world has advanced beyond the level of trying to prove a point with just a single fact. You see, my fellow nairanders, every tribe emanated from a source and a single source eventually. You can be anything you want regardless of your cultural affiliation. Please observe these: - Spain and Portugal were formally Iberian peninsula ruled by a single king but later fragmented into what they are today. So are Spanish Portuguese or vice versa? Answer, no. They have chosen thier identity so it is. -Austrians speak German but deny to be German. Any qualms, no. - The part of Delta that speaks Igbo believe they are not igbo, should there be any worry? No Let's stop here. Even if the itsekiris are born by a Yoruba man but claim a different identity, what problem do you have with that? Stop all the confusion and understand that humanity is one but our ideologies and perception of our self distinguishes us. Or should I also remind you that a man named Abraham/Ibrahim had two sons that claimed distinct identity, Arabs and Jews. So Itsekiris are not Bini or whatever you think they are. They are what they claim. Thank you |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theTranslator: 3:19pm On Apr 26, 2021 |
Bangeez: well the itsekiri say they are Yoruba so your epistle is inconsequential thank you. Tao11 edeyoung macof 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by Kimjongun: 6:03pm On Apr 26, 2021 |
BiniSupremacist: Stop smoking, 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by TAO12: 4:41pm On Apr 27, 2021 |
The earliest known eyewitness accounts collected from the Itsekirs by their European contacts do attest to their Yoruba origin, root, and heritage. (1) Quoting from the eyewitness account of Captain H. L. Gallwey in his “Journeys in the Benin Country”: “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.” Reference: H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127. (2) Quoting from H. Ling Roth’s (1903) report obtained from the eyewitnesses of the late 1800s: “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.” Reference: H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9. (3) Itsekiris duly present at their Yoruba-Oduduwa rally at Ibadan a couple of days ago. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13414590_whatsappimage20210417at13_22_59_jpeg_jpeg2cb85cbc151423af2338b7f4a26927e9 Cheers! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by SouthEastFacts: 4:40pm On Apr 30, 2021 |
TAO12:A lot of people call you Fraud on NL, why? |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by theFilmtric: 1:02am On May 01, 2021 |
SouthEastFacts:because they hate the way she provides proof and embarrasses them with evidence 3 Likes |
Re: Why Itsekiris Are Not Yorubas But Binis by onuwaje(m): 9:39pm On May 04, 2021 |
Let me clear the air Itsekiri have origins to both Yoruba n Benin Before the first King of Itsekiri (Olu Ginuwa) came what we know as Itsekiri were made up of fishing camps who originated from Yoruba towns like Remo, Ijebu etc. Some of these settlements are Omadino, Irigbo-Okotomu (now Ode-Itsekiri), Obodo, Ugborodo Ijalla etc. And these communities predates the arrival of Ginuwa. There are other other settlements that had their origins to the Benin troupe like Okere which was founded by Ekpenede a Benin Warrior sent to get Ginuwa back (story for another day), Usele, Orugbo, Ugbuwangue, Ubeji etc. In conclusion, the riverine settlements predates the arrival of Ginuwa and his Benin troupe. Ginuwa harmonised the settlements. That's why the itsekiris today are a mixture of cultures and tribes. The monarch are undoubtedly Bini while the language is undeniably Yoruba. Due to the large influence of the riverine fishing camps that predates the arrival of the Benin troupe. Fine History today will tell you Itsekiri started when Ginuwa arrived from Bini in about 1480 but the truth is. Itsekiri has been in existence long before the arrival of Ginuwa. Ginuwa played a role of almagamating all settlements under his rule to what we know as Warri Kingdom today. As i end my contribution, it is wrong to say that Itsekiri is Yoruba or Benin. But the right thing to do or say is that it is a mixture of two cultures which formed into what it is. Itsekiri is a Yoruba dialect with a touch of Benin spice. Thank you |
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