TAO11/ TAO12 I very well know as an Owambe person you are already at one of your rendezvous for weekend faji and miliki

Omoge we get class today O

Olu317:
There is no iota of doubt about havng knowledge of your ancestors history but that of your Oba Bini isn't complete without Yoruba's prince, Oramiyah,who was Ogun's descendant. Though Odudu's meaning in Bini language in the context of Yoruba's OduIwa/DoodooIwa remained implausible from Bini's account but I agree with you that Ogiso gave birth to Ekerlehedan, who founded Gwato or Ughoton.

In the context that thousands of Edo indegne and some present day migrants to Warri land knows this, information above ,is the reason do I ask you,who was the Ohen Okun priest,who was the leader of Gwato or Ughoton land as at the time of Afonso D'Aviero visitation to Ughoton and Bini Oba Esigie in1485/1486 ?



Cheers

One thing you should understand in Benin history is that everyone in Benin shares the same lineage as that of the Oba because we all originated from Pa Idu. The Ogisos are the ancestors of Oduduwa and therefore Oba Eweka is a descendant of the Ogisos. If this was not so tell me why the Obas still connect to their fathers "the ogisos" by practicing the costums of the Ogisos. You are well aware that Ogiso Ere introduced the ada and eben culture to Igodomigo and uptil today the Obas still practice the culture of their fathers by using the ada and eben. In addition, are you also aware that uptil today the Oba dynasty worships Erimwi Idu (spirit of Idu) as an ancestorial shrine just as the Ogisos did as well. So tell me, why aren't the Obas worshiping the spirit of Oduduwa if he's their progenitor?

The true story of Ekeladeran/Oduduwa in short is this, he was banished with his mother and they ran away to Ughoton where he established the Olokun worship. His mother died at Ughoton and her grave is still there till today but you will never see Ekeladerans grave in Ughoton because he was not buried there . He left Ughoton and ran to Uhe (present day Kogi state). He stayed in a place called ife which still exists till today. In case you don't know, Ekeladeran story is part of Igalla history because they acknowledge he came to their land and after he had a confront action with the attah of Igalla he ran away with some followers and they found themselves in present day ife. He conquered the enemies of Ife and his name changed from Ekeladeran to Oduduwa.

As for your question regarding ohen Okun, he was the Benin ambassador appointed to portugal while jao Alfonso alveira was appointed Portuguese ambassador to Benin.

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

_{Robert Smith
University of Lagos
the great lagoon1 which stretches some eighty miles to the east of Lagos (where
a channel enters the sea) has long provided a livelihood for the Awori and Ijebu
fishermen whose villages cluster on its shores and a highway for trade, warfare
and conquest. The Lagos and Ijebu kingdoms maintained fleets of war canoes
on its shallow waters, and it was by this route that the armies of Benin travelled
to establish in the sixteenth or seventeenth century a still-reigning dynasty at
Lagos. Westward, a river and lagoon system formed a sheltered waterway to
Badagry, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries the terminus of the
trade road from the inland kingdom of Oyo, and thence beyond Yoru}
Robert smith(1969)

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

You made mention of the name "eko" existed before the Benins came to the land (can I see a documented proof to back your claims).

You also said the yorubas named the land "Eko". Point of correction, the name Eko existed since the 15th century and the entity "Yoruba" was established in the 19th century, sorry but your story doesn't add up. Simply put, the word Yoruba didn't exist is the 15th or 16th century. You just shot yourself on the foot.

To start with, are you an awori, because it makes no sense arguing facts with you if you arequire not an awori because other Yoruba tribes are late immigrants into Eko.

My question is this, what does Eko mean in Yoruba.

As regards to Oduduwa growing up in oke-ora, I have nothing to say to you until you show me any pre-colonial document that shows he grew up in oke-ora.

Who mentioned Pa Idu migrating from anywhere?. He is the first indigin of the land.

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

Oduduwa growing up in oke era is a new myth formulated bu your people to cover up is sky diving skills, whuch we benins and igbos used in mocking you lots, i know when you started using oke era for debate



Anyway.....

People giving you listening ears instead of punishing you, are the biggest problem


Any information from Oduduwa should be referenced to samuel johson or earliest record before 1914 only there we can find truth and not modern revisionist propaganda flanged up as history


Oduduwa didnt exist anyway but trying to remove
His diving skills and making him a born resident at oke-era removes is divine abilities and a deliberate attempt to sabotage history in modern times



Again your refrence are poor imagine those refrenxe you put up there is that how they refrence in your fathers village and you claim youre a resident in america and not oshogbo


Those tribal marks on your face is having a big toll on your reasoning capabilities


Learn to refrence properly

Name of the author
Title of the book or article
Year
Convince sake attach direct links to it
.....

Not that rubbish up there

KingOKON:
.

Very foolish girl, claps, dances and roll on the floor at every nonsense uttered by her Olodo mentor

Do you now agree to equality of gender? Do you now agree to the saying that "what men can do women can do better"? I am shocked myself after witnessing your deep moan here due to lashes from a woman.

Seems female is the future true true.

KingOKON:
.

MUMU.... Just get ready, alakoba

Edo chief in wailer, don't worry, you have just discovered and begun your hobby.

Refutation class is about to begin.

All Benin dullards must be seated by 10:30 AM (Nigeria Time)

No one would be allowed to come in once I begin.

Start getting seated now.

Thank you.

Cc: gregyboy (aka Edeyoung aka BiniSupremacist).

Cc: KingOKON (aka Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ)

Cc: Fezz (the Oba’s slave-in-chief)

Cc: UGBE634 (the Oba’s rag)

nisai:
Edo chief in wailer, don't worry, you have just discovered and begun your hobby.

This one just the troll

Weak men, if it was a real battle TAO11 TAO12 would have longed rotten

I count how many times i have removed her heads but her mouth wont just die

TAO12:
Refutation class is about to begin.

All Benin dullards must be seated by 10:30 AM (Nigeria Time)

No one would be allowed to come in once I begin.

Start getting seated now.

Thank you.

Stop trolling and reply me dullard


Who is so scared to refrence properly so as not to be caught on her lies

Tao12, that woman in the first image I posted depicts you giving lessons and lashes to Kingokon, the dumb big for nothing slow agbaya carrying bag pack, wailing like a pig.

nisai:
Tao12, that woman in the first image I posted depicts you giving lessons and lashes to Kingokon, the dumb big for nothing slow agbaya carrying bag pack, wailing like a pig.

LMAO!

I’m about to begin the flogging for today. I’m gathering my belt, fan-belt, koboko, wire, pankere, atori, ashupe, etc.

BiniSupremacist:



This one just the troll

Weak men, if it was a real battle TAO11 TAO12 would have longed rotten

I count how many times i have removed her heads but her mouth wont just die

Mumu, many do not see you as a worthy person to debate. To me you are just nonentity with a misplaced priority. You should be on a course trying to discover your real talent instead of forcing yourself on history.

I commend Tao12 for indulging you this much but I understand, the truth must be bared to unsuspecting readers that you seek to misinform. Except for this reason, I am sure she doesn't take you serious too.

Enitio pe abo tin pe ara re ni okunrin meta. Idiota!

TAO12:
Refutation class is about to begin.

All Benin dullards must be seated by 10:30 AM (Nigeria Time)

No one would be allowed to come in once I begin.

Start getting seated now.

Thank you.

Cc:@BiniSupremacist).

Cc: @KingOKON

Cc: @Fezz

Cc: @UGBE634 (yoruba pretending as benin)

Tao11 the lieing machines aka bobrisky, transgender

TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

Regarding bronze casting, you should be aware that a lot of Benin historian books where not published because their stories did not conform to the south westerners ideology. Chief Jacob U. Egharevba was the only Benin historian who was ready to compromise with the Yorubas because he needed his book to be published in order to get his PhD degree. That is why he allowed the Yorubas to adjust his initial work to their own ideology. The Yorubas used his work to link the Benins to the Yorubas in post colonial era. Egharevba tried to make up for his initial mistakes by publishing other editions after his first book.

The Yorubas claim that Ighueghae was asked to come to Benin kingdom to teach the Benins the act of bronze casting. The first thing you should ask yourself is does Ighueghae sound like an Ife name? What is the meaning of Ighueghae in Ife?

Let me tell you his true origin and his family tree is well known in Benin which you can't say the same in Ife. If you can then tell me all about his family and ancestral lineage if he was that important to you

Ighueghae was the son of ezohe, a descendant of ighido who was an ogiso during the ogiso odionwere era from Igun. Uptil today Igun street is well recognised by unicef for their tremendous skill in bronze casting. Tell me the location in Ife where bronze casting was practiced because there should be evidence that such a place existed if the Yorubas were so good in bronze casting just as Igun street exists today in Benin.

I'm going on a tour to Ife very soon to discover these things by myself and I suggest you go to Benin to discover true history for yourself as well if you truly seek for the truth. Cheers!

TAO12:
LMAO!

I’m about to begin the flogging for today. I’m gathering my belt, fan-belt, koboko, wire, pankere, atori, ashupe, etc.

Buhaaaaaaaaaa

Wa se orire pls make sure to tie him firmly to a stake before you begin the surgery of installing basic sense all over his body. I noticed he is faster than Usain bolt whenever pasan becomes unbearable.

TAO12:
Refutation class is about to begin.

All Benin dullards must be seated by 10:30 AM (Nigeria Time)

No one would be allowed to come in once I begin.

Start getting seated now.

Thank you.

Cc: @gregyboy (aka @Edeyoung aka @BiniSupremacist).

Cc: @KingOKON (aka Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ)

Cc: @Fezz (the Oba’s slave-in-chief)

Cc: @UGBE634 (the Oba’s rag)

UGBE634:
You must be an idiot,the Umogun family is so large now, where would you now draw the line, Areafada2 is from that family, would you say he is a slave,and he has a moniker here, when I said that we are all slaves, I meant his family included in respect to him. the family will also shout Oba GHA to kpere just like every other family would. The Benin family system is such that every family was seen as having emerged from a 'uniquely' great ancestor who did his part in making sure the Benin kingdom cum empire survives. Ologbosere who was tried and killed is from the LA-OKUN family and anyone from that family who greets his oriki in the morning would be revered with praise from his ancestors in such a way that he will be happy and will believe that his family has a stake in Benin just like every other family having done his bit to ensure the survival of Benin kingdom. the same thing with the Ezomo n'uzebu family who their patriarch was the commander in chief of the armed forces. the same thing with Obaseki who their patriarch was also once the prime minister of Benin kingdom. The Benin family system is seen in such a way that every family is important and without the support of each family patriarch, the Benin kingdom cum empire which once was would not have been possible.

Please what is Oriki?
Isnt that a yoruba word?

davidnazee:


Please what is Oriki?
Isnt that a yoruba word?

The oríkì varies in length depending on whether it is the name given to a child to describe the future portents of the life or a recital of the accomplishments of a person's clan. it is

Fezz:
You made mention of the name "eko" existed before the Benins came to the land (can I see a documented proof to back your claims).

I referenced ythe work right beside the statement. You need to make the habit of reading what you wish to reply to before typing replies.

And the work is decades earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

You also said the yorubas named the land "Eko".

No, I didn’t merely say it. I referenced the work which said it. Read what you want to reply to before replying. It makes you appear less dumb.

And the work is more than a 100 years earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

Point of correction, the name Eko existed since the 15th century

Perhaps! Proof if you want to press on this.

and the entity "Yoruba" was established in the 19th century,sorry but your story doesn't add up. Simply put, the word Yoruba didn't exist is the 15th or 16th century. You just shot yourself on the foot.

Oh really?? The word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century?? Hmm! Please tell me more. Lol.

No the word “Yoruba” didn’t begin in the 19th century. There is a whole lot of overhaul I need to make you go through.

I have debunked the false idea that the word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century with classical manuscripts (from centuries earlier) which shows that the word “Yoruba” has been in existence (for our ethnic group) since the pre-1600s. Refer to page 41 of this thread.

However, your argument here is actually meaningless to begin with (even if I didn’t debunk it as I just did).

The people called Yoruba exist prior to any name they call themselves. [Wrap your head around that before proceeding].

Hence they came up with their local name for Lagos island before any foreign group immigrated to the island.

To start with, are you an awori,

Yes, and what if I’m a Russian?

because it makes no sense arguing facts with you if you arequire not an awori because other Yoruba tribes are late immigrants into Eko.

Interesting!
So, D. M. Bondarenko (the most prolific historian of precolonial Benin in the world today) is about to have his scholarship revoked from him by a certain random inconsequential faceless Nairalanders called @Fezz.

Why? Because Bondarenko is not a slave of the Oba of Benin like him. Wonderful!

My question is this, what does Eko mean in Yoruba.

‘Eko’ (a contraction of ‘Ereko’ a name used till date on the island) is a district used mainly for agriculture and owned by a neighboring town or city. In short — it means an agro-colony.

The attached old annotated photograph of Lagos shown below testifies to this name — and it is still in use till date.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13440434_16e3817039284fed8641d1469747ba9e_jpeg_jpegdd1b42570f66eb5d5b16b3cd3f9247ac

As regards to Oduduwa growing up in oke-ora, I have nothing to say to you until you show me any pre-colonial document that shows he grew up in oke-ora.

No there isn’t any pReCoLoNiAL documentation of this indigenous Ife (Yoruba) account. And why should there be by the way? I’m all ears.

Anyways to educate you some more, the vast majority of the traditional conservatives of the period were not literate, while the literate ones were not traditionalist conservative.

All effort of the religious literate were directed towards following the Oduduwa narrative which originated from Hausaland.

Sultan M. Bello (in 1812) reasoned apparently that Oduduwa’s descendants are so great that he himself could not possibly have had his roots from the blacks of the West African forest.

But such narrative is originally alien to the Yorubas, but it held sway among the elite/religious for a long time until recourse was made to documenting the traditional historical narrative of Oduduwa’s roots into writing in the mid/late 1900s.

Who mentioned Pa Idu migrating from anywhere?. He is the first indigin of the land.

Oh really? Pa Idu didn’t migrate from anywhere to Edo State because he is the first indigene. Interesting!

Wait! He dropped from the sky to become the first indigene, or he grew out from the ground to be the first indigene? Which do you go with?

Whichever version you choose (sky descent or growth from the ground), “sHow mE aNy pRe-CoLoNiAl dOcUmEnT tHat” supports your choice.

BiniSupremacist:


[s]_{Robert Smith
University of Lagos
the great lagoon1 which stretches some eighty miles to the east of Lagos (where
a channel enters the sea) has long provided a livelihood for the Awori and Ijebu
fishermen whose villages cluster on its shores and a highway for trade, warfare
and conquest. The Lagos and Ijebu kingdoms maintained fleets of war canoes
on its shallow waters, and it was by this route that the armies of Benin travelled
to establish in the sixteenth or seventeenth century a still-reigning dynasty at
Lagos. Westward, a river and lagoon system formed a sheltered waterway to
Badagry, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries the terminus of the
trade road from the inland kingdom of Oyo, and thence beyond Yoru}
Robert smith(1969)[/s]

Three quick points:

(1) The statement you quoted here is made-up and spurious because it is not present anywhere within the pages of Robert Smith (1969).

(2) In fact, 1969 is a date which comes after Egharevba had published Benin’s version and redaction in the 1950s.

There exists account of Lagos history (The Lagos-Yoruba account) which are many, many decades earlier than the Egharevba’s Benin account.

The Lagos account speaks of a regular immigration of Binis to Lagos [as well as other groups], and a permission to land was given to them on the island, [just as it was given to other groups]

The Lagos account speaks of the reigning dynasty of Lagos (the Eleko dynasty) has having been founded by a Yoruba progenitor who goes by the name Ashipa. However, the same account mentions the maternal Benin connection through Ashipa’s wife.

(3) If the 1950s Benin account was the earlier, then Binis may possibly have a case. However, they have no case for being too late. Their redaction (though popular) can not overturn the early account of the people.

And your attachment (which I would reattach here) quote shows that the Yoruba account of Lagos is at odds with the Benin self consoling (self contradictory) of a latter date.

UGBE634:
[s]I never said they were very recent I only said it is used by one who is alive at the moment, or in the case of the Edaiken, the first son in waiting. I am vast on bini history and won't make such a comment. I am sincerely not dull like you, your comprehensive ability is so low[/s]

“... it is used by one who is alive at the moment.” So what?

Of course l’m not discussing corpses. I’m discussing living souls —some of whom are the king’s slave (the general Bini populace), and those who are noblemen with honorific titles of nobility (e.g. the king’s family members).

TAO12:
“... it is used by one who is alive at the moment.” So what?

Of course l’m not discussing corpses. I’m discussing living souls —some of whom are the king’s slave (the general Bini populace), and those who are noblemen with honorific titles of nobility (e.g. the king’s family members).

.

Living souls like Oranmiyan! just give me some minutes

TAO12:
Three quick points:

(1) The statement you quoted here is made-up and spurious because it is not present anywhere within the pages of Robert Smith (1969).

(2) In fact, 1969 is a date which comes after Egharevba had published Benin’s version and redaction in the 1950s.

There exists account of Lagos history (The Lagos-Yoruba account) which are many, many decades earlier than the Egharevba’s Benin account.

The Lagos account speaks of a regular immigration of Binis to Lagos [as well as other groups], and a permission to land was given to them on the island, [just as it was given to other groups]

The Lagos account speaks of the reigning dynasty of Lagos (the Eleko dynasty) has having been founded by a Yoruba progenitor who goes by the name Ashipa. However, the same account mentions the maternal Benin connection through Ashipa’s wife.

(3) If the 1950s Benin account was the earlier, then Binis may possibly have a case. However, they have no case for being too late. Their redaction (though popular) can not overturn the early account of the people.

And your attachment (which I would reattach here) quote shows that the Yoruba account of Lagos is at odds with the Benin self consoling (self contradictory) of a latter date.

Should we start posting earlies account

Yes
Or
No

TAO12:
“... it is used by one who is alive at the moment.” So what?

Of course l’m not discussing corpses. I’m discussing living souls —some of whom are the king’s slave (the general Bini populace), and those who are noblemen with honorific titles of nobility (e.g. the king’s family members).

I have seen you can't be redeemed you are gone and gone for good. The UMOGUN family today is one of the largest family unit in Benin alongside OVBIEZE which seems to be the largest to me and OGIESAN, what I am trying to tell you is this those that are also from the eweka line and from different obas who have ruled in time past and are now part of the larger populace, are you going to say they are slaves. mind you each family unit up there is over four hundred thousand now. It's like you just want to learn internal Edo workings to me to make up for the fact that you don't travel out of ogbomosho.

TAO12:
I referenced you the work right beside the material. You need to make the habit of reading what you wish to reply to before typing replies.

And the work is decades earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

No, I didn’t merely say it. I referenced the work which said it. Read what you want to reply to before replying. It makes you appear less dumb.

And the work is more than a 100 years earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

Perhaps! Proof if you want to press on this.

Oh really?? The word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century?? Hmm! Please tell me more. Lol.

No the word “Yoruba” didn’t begin in the 19th century. There is a whole lot of overhaul I need to make you go through.

I have debunked the false idea that the word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century with classical manuscripts (from centuries earlier) which shows that the word “Yoruba” has been in existence (for our ethnic group) since the pre-1600s. Refer to page xx of this thread.

However, your argument here is actually meaningless to begin with (even if I didn’t debunk it as I just did).

The people called Yoruba exist prior to any name they call themselves. [Wrap your head around that before proceeding].

Hence they came up with their local name for Lagos island before any foreign group immigrated to the island.

Yes, and what if I’m a Russian?

Interesting!
So, D. M. Bondarenko (the most prolific historian of precolonial Benin in the world today) is about to have his scholarship revoked from him by a certain random inconsequential faceless Nairalanders called @Fezz.

Why? Because Bondarenko is not a slave of the Oba of Benin like him. Wonderful!

‘Eko’ (a contraction of ‘Ereko’ a name used till date on the island) is a district used mainly for agriculture and owned by neighboring town or city. In short — it means an agro-colony.

The attached old annotated photograph of Lagos shown below testifies to this name — and it is still in use till date.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13440434_16e3817039284fed8641d1469747ba9e_jpeg_jpegdd1b42570f66eb5d5b16b3cd3f9247ac

No there is documentation of this account in the pReCoLoNiaL documentation of this indigenous Ife account. And why should there be by the way? I’m all ears.

Anyways to educate you some more, the vast majority of the traditional conservatives of this period were not literate, while the literate ones were not traditionalist conservative.

All effort of the religious literate were directed towards following the Oduduwa narrative which originated from Hausaland. Sultan Bello (in 1812) reasoned apparently that Oduduwa’s descendants are so great that he himself could not possibly have had his roots from the blacks of the West African forest.

But such narrative is originally alien to the Yorubas, and the recourse was made to documenting the traditional narrative into writing since the mid/late 1900s.

Oh really? Pa Idu didn’t migrate from anywhere to Edo State because he is the first indigene. Interesting!

Wait! He dropped from the sky to become the first indigene, or he grew out from the ground to be the first indigene? Which do you go with?

Whichever version you choose (sky descent or growth from the ground), “sHow mE aNy pRe-CoLoNiAl dOcUmEnT tHat” supports your choice.

Oko is farm land in yoruba and not Eko. Eko is am indigenous Benin name and we don't need to break it down just as you did for Ereko blah blah.. Anytime a Yoruba man starts breaking down words to fit into their ideology just know their intent is to fabricate.

TAO12:
Three quick points:

(1) The statement you quoted here is made-up and spurious because it is not present anywhere within the pages of Robert Smith (1969).

(2) In fact, 1969 is a date which comes after Egharevba had published Benin’s version and redaction in the 1950s.

There exists account of Lagos history (The Lagos-Yoruba account) which are many, many decades earlier than the Egharevba’s Benin account.

The Lagos account speaks of a regular immigration of Binis to Lagos [as well as other groups], and a permission to land was given to them on the island, [just as it was given to other groups]

The Lagos account speaks of the reigning dynasty of Lagos (the Eleko dynasty) has having been founded by a Yoruba progenitor who goes by the name Ashipa. However, the same account mentions the maternal Benin connection through Ashipa’s wife.

(3) If the 1950s Benin account was the earlier, then Binis may possibly have a case. However, they have no case for being too late. Their redaction (though popular) can not overturn the early account of the people.

And your attachment (which I would reattach here) quote shows that the Yoruba account of Lagos is at odds with the Benin self consoling (self contradictory) of a latter date.

Again do you read what you undeline it clearly stated that the benin tradition of the origin of lagos as a camp is a fact

Then it went ahead to tell you that particular female author never attempted to deniel this fact



Are you also also my quote was doctored by me..... If you make me find d pdf and send a screenshot would you agree to aend me 200 dollars to compensate my time

Fezz:
[s]Oko is farm land in yoruba and not Eko. Eko is am indigenous Benin name and we don't need to break it down just as you did for Ereko blah blah.. Anytime a Yoruba man starts breaking down words to fit into their ideology just know their intent is to fabricate. [/s]

(1) And there is finally an appollo epidemic in Benin because there is no “oko” anywhere in my comment. You are clearly under pressure to reply at all cost whether it makes sense or not.

(2) The name “Ereko” is starring hard at you as used for Lagos in that picture, yet you chose insanity because you mean to hide tears.

(3) Yes “Eko” entered into Benin lexicon only after you encountered the word in Lagos in the 1500s/1600s.

BiniSupremacist:
[s]Again do you read what you undeline it clearly stated that the benin tradition of the origin of lagos as a camp is a fact Then it went ahead to tell you that particular female author never attempted to deniel this fact[/s]

The female author is Jungwith, and she is being quoted by the author of the paper you screenshoted.

And the author you screenshoted proceeds to debunk Jungwirth for undue simplification as she ignores the internal contradiction in the Benin account.

The author you screenshoted also debunks her as well as for being ignorant of the Lagos account (earlier than the Binis) which already refutes any future falsehood such as the Benins account.

English is surely a hard language for Edos.

[s]Are you also also my quote was doctored by me..... If you make me find d pdf and send a screenshot would you agree to aend me 200 dollars to compensate my time[/s]

HUNGRY POOR FABRICATOR!

Anyways find someone around who knows English and Edo, and ask them to read the attachment below in Edo language. That should help.

TAO12:
(1) And there is finally an appollo epidemic in Benin because there is no “oko” anywhere in my comment. You are clearly under pressure to reply at all cost whether it makes sense or not.

(2) The name “Ereko” is starring hard at you as used for Lagos in that picture, yet you chose insanity because you mean to hide tears.

(3) Yes “Eko” entered into Benin lexicon only after you encountered the word in Lagos in the 1500s/1600s.

Csn you give me the proper referencing to this your ereko author


Hmm... Lemme check something

BiniSupremacist:
Csn you give me the proper referencing to this your ereko author Hmm... Lemme check something

Can you show me an evidence that your kingdom is called Benin?

TAO12:
The female author is Jungwith, and she is being quoted by the author of the paper you screenshoted.

And the author you screenshoted proceeds to debunk Jungwirth for undue simplification as she ignores the internal contradiction in the Benin account.

The author you screenshoted also debunks her as well as for being ignorant of the Lagos account (earlier than the Binis) which already refutes any future falsehood such as the Benins account.

English is surely a hard language for Edos.


UNGRY POOR FABRICATOR!

Anyways find someone around who knows English and Edo, and ask them to read the attachment below in Edo language. That should help.

Ok, are we going to be refrencing our local reprot as fact you want us to take the history of lagos people from lagosians and you want us not to use the benin own version... Lol... Why to be comfortable when you lie....


If you request earliest eye witness by ulsmier
Which etinosa has clearly brought out to you


The lagos version cannot be accepted, anything beyond 1914 has been doctored and motivated by tribal setinment


We are also not going to use that of the benins

We are using records below 1914


Is that fair enough.....?