TAO12:
Can you show me an evidence that your kingdom is called Benin?

TAO12:
Three quick points:

(1) The statement you quoted here is made-up and spurious because it is not present anywhere within the pages of Robert Smith (1969).

(2) In fact, 1969 is a date which comes after Egharevba had published Benin’s version and redaction in the 1950s.

There exists account of Lagos history (The Lagos-Yoruba account) which are many, many decades earlier than the Egharevba’s Benin account.

The Lagos account speaks of a regular immigration of Binis to Lagos [as well as other groups], and a permission to land was given to them on the island, [just as it was given to other groups]

The Lagos account speaks of the reigning dynasty of Lagos (the Eleko dynasty) has having been founded by a Yoruba progenitor who goes by the name Ashipa. However, the same account mentions the maternal Benin connection through Ashipa’s wife.

(3) If the 1950s Benin account was the earlier, then Binis may possibly have a case. However, they have no case for being too late. Their redaction (though popular) can not overturn the early account of the people.

And your attachment (which I would reattach here) quote shows that the Yoruba account of Lagos is at odds with the Benin self consoling (self contradictory) of a latter date.

Fezz:
Regarding bronze casting, you should be aware that a lot of Benin historian books where not published because their stories did not conform to the south westerners ideology.

Chief Jacob U. Egharevba was the only Benin historian who was ready to compromise with the Yorubas because he needed his book to be published in order to get his PhD degree. That is why he allowed the Yorubas to adjust his initial work to their own ideology.

The Yorubas used his work to link the Benins to the Yorubas in post colonial era. Egharevba tried to make up for his initial mistakes by publishing other editions after his first book.

The Yorubas claim that Ighueghae was asked to come to Benin kingdom to teach the Benins the act of bronze casting. The first thing you should ask yourself is does Ighueghae sound like an Ife name? What is the meaning of Ighueghae in Ife?

Let me tell you his true origin and his family tree is well known in Benin which you can't say the same in Ife. If you can then tell me all about his family and ancestral lineage if he was that important to you

Ighueghae was the son of ezohe, a descendant of ighido who was an ogiso during the ogiso odionwere era from Igun.

Uptil today Igun street is well recognised by unicef for their tremendous skill in bronze casting.

Tell me the location in Ife where bronze casting was practiced because there should be evidence that such a place existed if the Yorubas were so good in bronze casting just as Igun street exists today in Benin.

I'm going on a tour to Ife very soon to discover these things by myself and I suggest you go to Benin to discover true history for yourself as well if you truly seek for the truth. Cheers!

TAO12:
(1) And there is finally an appollo epidemic in Benin because there is no “oko” anywhere in my comment. You are clearly under pressure to reply at all cost whether it makes sense or not.

(2) The name “Ereko” is starring hard at you as used for Lagos in that picture, yet you chose insanity because you mean to hide tears.

(3) Yes “Eko” entered into Benin lexicon only after you encountered the word in Lagos in the 1500s/1600s.

Fezz:
[s]Will you keep quiet. So because Ereko was written on that picture you want me to believe that it was not recently inscribed on the picture. Anyone can caption any name on any picture in the 21st century, so please try harder.[/s]

[s]I hope you know that the earliest founders of Eko are known as the Aonins (meaning descendants of ini benin) which are a group of Benin soldiers who decided to stay back and settle on that land because they couldn't accomplish the task assigned to them by the oba of Benin.[/s]

This was far before the Benin Kingdom established the land and named it Eko. If you want me to school you more on this kindly ask.

Fezz:


One thing you should understand in Benin history is that everyone in Benin shares the same lineage as that of the Oba because we all originated from Pa Idu. The Ogisos are the ancestors of Oduduwa and therefore Oba Eweka is a descendant of the Ogisos. If this was not so tell me why the Obas still connect to their fathers "the ogisos" by practicing the costums of the Ogisos. You are well aware that Ogiso Ere introduced the ada and eben culture to Igodomigo and uptil today the Obas still practice the culture of their fathers by using the ada and eben. In addition, are you also aware that uptil today the Oba dynasty worships Erimwi Idu (spirit of Idu) as an ancestorial shrine just as the Ogisos did as well. So tell me, why aren't the Obas worshiping the spirit of Oduduwa if he's their progenitor?

The true story of Ekeladeran/Oduduwa in short is this, he was banished with his mother and they ran away to Ughoton where he established the Olokun worship. His mother died at Ughoton and her grave is still there till today but you will never see Ekeladerans grave in Ughoton because he was not buried there . He left Ughoton and ran to Uhe (present day Kogi state). He stayed in a place called ife which still exists till today. In case you don't know, Ekeladeran story is part of Igalla history because they acknowledge he came to their land and after he had a confront action with the attah of Igalla he ran away with some followers and they found themselves in present day ife. He conquered the enemies of Ife and his name changed from Ekeladeran to Oduduwa.

As for your question regarding ohen Okun, he was the Benin ambassador appointed to portugal while jao Alfonso alveira was appointed Portuguese ambassador to Benin.

UGBE634:
[s]I have seen you can't be redeemed you are gone and gone for good. The UMOGUN family today is one of the largest family unit in Benin alongside OVBIEZE which seems to be the largest to me and OGIESAN, what I am trying to tell you is this those that are also from the eweka line and from different obas who have ruled in time past and are now part of the larger populace, are you going to say they are slaves. mind you each family unit up there is over four hundred thousand now. It's like you just want to learn internal Edo workings to me to make up for the fact that you don't travel out of ogbomosho[/s]

TAO12:
The name ‘Ereko’ still exists till date in Lagos — on the island particularly.

We live in the internet age. Stop embarrassing your people. Check it out yourself.

Also, please inscribe Benin to that picture for me and let it appear as the original. Since anyone can do it. I’d be waiting. Lol.

TRASH pulled out from your anus as usual.

Aworis are the founders of Lagos. Lagos account says this. Even the fraudulent Benin account admits this. I’m not sure what your version is. Your anus’s version I guess.

Well, if wishes were horses Binis would ride.

Lagos island (NOT even Lagos itself) was established by the owners — Awori-Yoruba.

And it was also named as Eko by the Yorubas.

I have given you references for each of these two lines of statement.

And the references I gave are decades/century earlier than the latter-day Benin version which you’ve been fed from childhood.

I would have expected any free-born who is not a slave to bury his head in those materials and learn rather than argue blindly like a typical slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid[/s]

TAO12:
I am NOT sure if there is any Avenue called Yewa in the part of the world I live. [I hate to say it].

Why are you triggered by the way? You mean you can’t withstand evidence-backed statements? You mean you really want to be connected to Lagos at all cost?

No, it’s NOT by force na. I can imagine what you feel like, you’ve been too comfortable with falsehood from a very young. You breathed falsehood without knowing it is falsehood. You embraced it with all sincerity.

But now the truth has come (with evidence) and falsehood is perishing (causing you great distress), but falsehood is by its very nature meant to eventually perish.

TAO12:
Laisten stop hijacking my argument and spinning the discussion around.

Are you the Eweka family-line, from Oranmiyan, from Ife? NO Then you are a slave of the Oba without any but or if. And you admitted it.

Only those from your Oba’s family line, from Eweka, from Oranmiyan, from Ife (PATRILINEALLY) are NOT his slave by default. If they chose to be his slave, then that’s a different question.

BiniSupremacist:
Ok, are we going to be refrencing our local reprot as fact you want us to take the history of lagos people from lagosians and you want us not to use the benin own version... Lol... Why to be comfortable when you lie The lagos version cannot be accepted, anything beyond 1914 has been doctored and motivated by tribal setinment

We are also not going to use that of the beninsWe are using records below 1914
Is that fair enough.....?

If you request earliest eye witness by ulsmier
Which etinosa has clearly brought out to you

UGBE634:
who the Lagos help, I was addressing your last paragraph you bastard

UGBE634:
They don't have a choice, it is a uniting stool for us all

TAO12:
Well his family members are not his slave. You are.

TAO12:
Well his family members are not his slave. You are.

UGBE634:
[s]They don't have a choice, it is a uniting stool for us all. And also our Oba can't be from dirty Ife. Ife is too small for our Oba to come from. If after all my explanations of the word 'we' then you are still slowpoking then I am afraid you are irredeemable and you need a refund of your school fees[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid[/s]

TAO12:
I love you too.

TAO12:
This has been debunked.

And this too.

Come up something new. I have many Benin dullards to teach. You’re or the only one from Benin.

UGBE634:
[s]The Oba of Benin is bigger than the ooni of ife, the Alaafin of oyo, and the oba of lagos. If the Alaafin of Oyo comes to Benin he is a slave of the Benin oba of Benin whose surname is AISOKUOBA IGBINOGHODUA[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid it has not � debunked leave your offa village and seek civilization and knowledge[/s]

TAO12:
Eweka-2 disagrees with you. Argue with Eweka-2.

TAO12:
Eweka-2 disagrees with you. Argue with Eweka-2.

UGBE634:
[s]:PEweka 2 is a human, he is prone to mistakes :PEweka 2 is a human, he is prone to mistakes his descendants don't agree with you though[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid it has not � debunked leave your offa village and seek civilization and knowledge[/s]

TAO12:
Akenzua-2 his son does not agree with you.

More conclusively, historians of African history has exposed Erediauwa’s position and Ewuare-2’s position as based on fraud.

UGBE634:
I believe Eredieuwa who was born in 1923 should know better about his line than you a slimy bastard from oshogbo. besides he is far more educated than any of his ancestors with a first degree and masters in law from Cambridge University. And with education you know can't be easily deceived I will take his account over his ancestors

TAO12:
Should I take it that your repetition of a debunked comment is due to lack of content??

UGBE634:
[s]No it is so that you learn the original intent of the post,which you don't seem to learn because you are an Amala eater and a subhuman that is why I was calling your better's to come and lecture you as you are from a slave tribe and you are certainly demented having descended from a slave whose brain was tormented.[/s]

TAO12:
Oh you believe Erediauwa who was born in 1923. But you don’t believe his father (Akenzua-2) and his grand father (Eweka-2) — and their predecessors — because they all suffering from collective amnesia.

Oh! Or because Erediauwa lived beer them and was clasper to the distant past than them. LMAO!

Also, you must not believe the historians of African history who agree with these predecessors and debunk Erediauwa’s fiction as based on inferiority complex.

It must be a really tough job defending the modern day Benin forgery.

UGBE634:
[s]This is a man and his line, he said this is where he came from, should I start arguing his origin that he is from ogbomosho. I believe he is lenient enough to know where he came from. if he disagreed with his father, he must have seen that there are some shortfall in the father's story. As an educated mind, he decided to correct[/s]

TAO12:
It makes you look dumber than you actually are when you repost a refuted comment in response to the refutation.

You should have pointed out where the latest refutation was inadequate rather than childishly hoping that may be repetition will convert falsehood into truth.