alj harem:

Onitsha right then again it is natural

he he he

u want me to tell u?

keep on moving the goalpost

ACM10:

You have not proved any thing.

Show me some major cultural and linguistic similarities between yoruba and edo.

Is it really fun to be silly?

An edo guy just posted that in page 9 or so and yet you are still asking the same question. SMH

anyway

echere m ka ayi me udo

From Musiwa1

musiwa,,.:

ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. I speak Igala.[/size]  

From Musiwa2

musiwa,,.:

ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. . . .[/size]

alj harem:

[size=18pt]An edo guy just posted that in page 9 [/size]or so and yet you are still asking the same question. SMH

anyway

echere m ka ayi me udo

The same way you are Anambra, Kanuri, Borno, Lagos etc guy?

he he he

The Brief Historical Origin Of Umueri


Umueri also known as Umuleri is part of ancient
Umueri Clan which traced its origin to a
warrior named Eri. The Oral tradition of the
people traced the origin to waves of Migration
led by Eri. Although there were no written
records existing, its indeed obviously facts
that the history and Origin of Umueri dates
back to time immemorial and early part of
human existence in this part of the world
following emerging facts from ever constant
oral tradition and recent archeological
discoveries that tends to portray the Umueri
enclave as the first area of human Existence
in Southern Nigeria.According to the works of
Dr Elizabeth Isichei While quoting L Froberius
The Voice of Africa 1913 as quoted MDW
Jefferies, the Divine Umunri King of Igboland
PHD Thesis ( London ) 1934 wrote “The First
cradle of human habitation in Igbo area were
probably the Cross River and Anambra River
Escarpment. In each of these areas, latter
Stone Age sites have been excavated. For
instance an ancient storage Relic was
excavated in Umunagu Umueri in 1975 by Mr.
Emmanuel Ozoemena. This ancient relic was
said to have been used during Stone Age era
probably 980 AD. Elizabeth Isichei went
further to state, “This picture of an early
nucleus of settlement in Northern Igbo land is
confirmed by Igbo traditions.The Tradition of
Umueri Clan which hitherto includes that of
NRI states that both them and Igala
emanated or descended from more ancient
community in Anambra Valley . ''We are all
descended from Eri but Igala went one way,
Agukwu another, Amanuke another, Nteje
and Igboariam and Others”. It was possible
that the Igala and the Others were either
wives, children or even descendants of
concubines of the Great Eri.Historians have
not agreed on exact place that Eri and his
company came from. But it was quite clear
that he comes from the east and moved
further down and settled temporarily with his
followers (among them Ogiso, progenitor of
Bini, Aro' progenitor of the Aro people in
Igboland and many others), to an area near
the confluence of the Niger and Benue Rivers
(present day Igala land). From there, Eri
moved to the Anambra Valley and finally
settled near the coast of Omabala river
(corruptly called Anambra by the White men)
at Okpotevi (In Ugume Umueri) near Obuaga,
which is presently located in Aguleri. Some
other accounts hold that Eri was specifically
the direct descendants of Gad who is the 10th
son of Jacob ( Israel ). (Ref. Gen: 46:16;
Numbers 26:16). What is however certain is
that Eri was the father and progenitor of
Umueri and other Umueri clans and that his
residence in Umueri remains the ancestral
homes of the Igbo nation.According to
tradition, Eri was a Great Warrior, hunter and
Polygamist. He has a lot of children and wives
(Not limiting to two as written by many
writers). The Most famous of the wives was
Iguedo from presumably the lineage of Edo
(Bini) who was amongst the crowd of
migrants at that time. She was also Mother to
the founders of Ogbunike, Awkuzu, Umueri
and Nando and a Daughter who was amongst
the founders of Oboli Quaters of Onitsha( This
explain the relationship between Umueri and
Onitsha and other Iguedo clans). Eri due to his
influence was said to have snatched (re-
marry) Iguedo from Nnamenyi, another of the
Migrants and she bore to him (Eri), Dabawor
who founded Modern Umueri clan. At the
Demise of Eri She re married again to Iru,a
Hunter and Herbalist who was said to be part
of Eri Company. It was here (in this
relationship) that She begat Ndo who was the
founder of Nando.Archeological Surveys
reveals that before ancient war and growth in
population scattered ancient Umueri clans
into the forest of Igbo land, they were all
living in Dabawor/Obuga area. Hence today,
traces of their habitats are still visible in this
area. For Instance, "Aguu Nri" and
"Okpotoevi" are still at Ugume Umueri. Aguu
Nri is an antiquity of Great Importance. It’s
about half a thousand Year Old tree which is
at Ama Iruakpu-Ugume, Umueri up till this
day. It was said to be founded by Nri
Ifikuanim who was the founder of Nri
Kingdom . The Surviving Generation of Elders
confirmed it as antiquity of Great Historical
Importance. One Problem that had affected
the fact of Aguu-Nri is contradiction
emanating from the Nri,Aguleri and Other
Communities claiming head to the origin of
Eri. In this bid, a lot of distortions came up
either by design or Ignorance of true
Position.But In spite of these distortions, the
name Umueri which literally means "Children
of Eri" is a natural and unbiased
nomenclature indicating Umueri relationship
with Eri. Whatever historical view may be,
One point remain untainted- that all the
Children or Descendant of Eri once had their
ancestral home in Umueri, as borne out by
archeological, oral and anthropological
records. Perhaps one pointer to these
assertions is the existence of several trace of
Umueri lineage in Some Northern Igbo towns
and even western igbo areas. For instance,
Umueri Ogbunike, Umueri Nteje, Umueri
Okija, Ugume in Kwale area,Umuriam Nawfia
( emanates from Umuriam Umueri) and a lot
of other traces. It’s indeed worth to note that
with exception of Umueri, there are no other
towns that have such proof elsewhere.The
Maternal Influence of IguedoThe Origin of
Iguedo though seems to be a great puzzle to
Historians than that of Eri but her importance
in history of Igbo origin could not be over
emphasis. Some Scholar attempted to credit
her as a daughter of Eri, but this attempt
failed because there was no way She could be
a daughter of Eri and got married to same
man or his son inorder to begat Umueri. This
is tantamount to taboo or "nso ani" in Igbo
Culture. The Second Group has tagged her as
Eri daughter who was allowed by her father to
bear children at home without been married.
But the Oral tradition of the entire Iguedo
clans disagreed with this assertion as it could
have amount to bastardization of Culture if Eri
made such a taboo as all of their tradition
indicates paternal originFrom an account of
One Mrs Paulina Osakwe now deceased, an
aged woman from Nando clarified that in
those (ancient) days, both Igbo , Igala and
Binis are one people living in Anambra Valley
under the leadership of Eri. That Iguedo was
from Bini lineage seems be getting wide
acceptance (taking consideration of her
name).Iguedo was said to be a very powerful
woman with mysterious power. She holds a
lot of power that at her demise most of the
town founded by her children was known by
her name. This was later to become a
tradition in Umu-Iguedo and entire Anambra
Valley as children are easily recognized by
their Mother's name rather than that of their
fathers. This was due to the polygamous
nature of the society then. Because by using
ones Mothers name, it would be easier to
know the exact person and lineage. Hence
Dabawor (founder of Umueri) was known as
child of Iguedo . Dabawor (Umueri) was the 3
child of Iguedo as she had previously bore two
to Nnameyi (Founders of Ogbunike & Awkuzu)
before Eri took her as wife after having
divorced the previous Husband. At Demise of
Eri, she got married to Iru whom she bore Ndo
(The founder of Nando).An Oral account has it
that at her death, Nando invited the rest of
the children of Iguedo for burial arrangement.
But then there was commotion and
quarrellings on where to entered her body.
Ogbunike who was the eldest of the Iguedos
wanted the body to be taken home
(Ogbunike) for burial since they are Children
of the First Child but Nando Objected on the
ground that they were people that took after
her during her old age. Unknown to all of
them, Umueri delegates went outside for
private talk and came back singing war
music. They cut off her head and took it home
where it was buried in Nneyi Umueri. Today
the trace of her tomb is found in the Shrine of
the Aro Oracle of Umueri while her body was
finally buried in Nando. In order to
commemorate her memorial, there was
traditional annual ritual festival called "Oriri
nne Iguedo" been celebrated in Nnado unto
this very day. And all her Children are
expected to be there for the ritual of reunion
of the IguedosEri Origin:Aguleri and Umueri
were Neighbors and from all available
evidence are relatives since the both origin is
surrounded in the myth of Eri. One accounts
has it that Aguleri were amalgamation of Eri
descendants living in the forest/wilderness as
the name suggests -The Eri living in the forest
(Aguu). This explains why many Aguleri have
their ancestral home in Aguleri Otu and
Odeke at the bank of Anambra River near to
Kogi State.Though this account seems not
popular, but it’s no denying the fact that both
Aguleri and Umueri hail from the same
ancestor. Oral tradition of Umueri however
agreed that they were half brother. The Oral
tradition traces the geneology to Dabawor,
the eldest Son of Eri whose daughter was
Okpu, the founder of the most elderly village
in Aguleri till today.Reference for further
Study : History of Igbo People By Elizabeth
IsicheiUmueri- Head of Ancient Umueri Clan
By Nwabunwanne IfediorahUmunri King By
FergusonNiger Igbos by GT Basdon 1938

PhysicsQED:

lol, you're Esan right? A few Esan clans claimed Igbo origins when traditions of origin were originally recorded (check R. E. Bradbury's The Benin Kingdom and the Edo speaking peoples of South-Western Nigeria (1957)).

Your last name may be Bamidele, but it would be ironic if one of your great-great-great-great-great grandfathers was an Igbo man. . .

Hahaha, some people will not see this one O.
There are communities in Edo that claim Igbo origin.
But as usual it will be skipped?


How come I understand the Igala spoken in the boundary areas with Enugu?
Abi Igala dey speak two form of their languages? Just asking.

Poster makes no sense.

1) theres like 5-6 tribes in Edo Alone.
2)there is not a culture in Nigeria that is as Homogeneous as yoruba, just the way it is,

Through out history Yorubas have had some relations with Ijaw,Bini,Igala/Igarra,Nupe,Hausa,Urhobo,Fulani,Egun,Ewe,Bariba,Kanuri,Fon
but still have a strong cultural identity.

Yoruba culture has more substance than igbo, fact is igbo have been influenced by almost all the tribes that surround them, unlike the yoruba who have mixed, occasionally conquered, been conquered and intermarried but still haven't been heavily influenced by non yoruba groups Truth#.

thats common knowledge. Even look at Igbos today, there isnt a really a cultural dress, some dress like Ijaw, Some like efik, Some like Bini, Some lIke yorubas, Some even like Hausa way of dressing. down to the red hat, its origin is muslim.
Igbo are more likely to copying something anything from other tribes.

sbeezy8:

Poster makes no sense.

1) theres like 5-6 tribes in Edo Alone.
2)there is not a culture in Nigeria that is as Homogeneous as yoruba, just the way it is,

Through out history Yorubas have had some relations with Ijaw,Bini,Igala/Igarra,Nupe,Hausa,Urhobo,Fulani,Egun,Ewe,Bariba,Kanuri,Fon
but still have a strong cultural identity.

Yoruba culture has more substance than igbo, fact is igbo have been influenced by almost all the tribes that surround them, unlike the yoruba who have mixed, occasionally conquered, been conquered and intermarried but still haven't been heavily influenced by non yoruba groups Truth#.

thats common knowledge. Even look at Igbos today, there isnt a really a cultural dress, some dress like Ijaw, Some like efik, Some like Bini, Some lIke yorubas, Some even like Hausa way of dressing. down to the red hat, its origin is muslim.
Igbo are more likely to copying something anything from other tribes.

BS!

The fact still remains that some areas in Edo are of Igbo origin. But it's no big deal if they all want to keep their relations with the SW which is understandable because there exist a historical cultural ties between the two ethnic groups.

The thread only shows that some Edo peeps except for PhysicsQeD and few others dont know most of their history.

sbeezy8:

Poster makes no sense.

Yoruba culture has more substance than igbo, fact is igbo have been influenced by almost all the tribes that surround them, unlike the yoruba who have mixed, occasionally conquered, been conquered and intermarried but still haven't been heavily influenced by non yoruba groups Truth#.

Herein lies the problem of the Yorubas. The Yoruba nation  should welcome the influence of other cultures. If it refuses to evolve and continues to revolve it would be left behind and may even make itself extinct.

BlackPikiN:

The fact still remains that some areas in Edo are of Igbo origin. But it's no big deal if they all want to keep their relations with the SW which is understandable because there exist a historical cultural ties between the two ethnic groups.

The thread only shows that some Edo peeps except for PhysicsQeD and few others dont know most of their history.

Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media.

Can you point to those major historical and cultural ties between Edos and Yorubas?

Mogidi:

Herein lies the problem of the Yorubas. The Yoruba nation  should welcome the inluence of other cultures. If it refuses to evolve and continues to revolve it would be left behind and may even make itself extinct.

makes no sense.

ACM10:

Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media.

Can you point to those major historical and cultural ties between Edos and Yorubas?

I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now. an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

In this day and age I marvel at the ignorance of people .So the Benin people do not know their history again?I don't know why Benin people refuse to agree they are from Yoruba stock,is it a kind of inferiority complex or what.you can not turn history on it's head let a Benin man on Nairaland tell me their origin I would like to be educated.

For the avoidance of doubt 'In their respective oral traditions, Ijebu, Owo, and Benin all trace their origins to the ancient city of Ile-Ife, the cradle of Yoruba culture, and claim that their founders were the sons of the Yoruba deity Odudua, who was the first ruler of that city. Especially in Owo and Benin, the early art-historical and archaeological records reinforce these strong affiliations with Ife culture. Benin's royal histories relate that the court's brass casters learned their art from an Ife master named Iguegha, who had been sent from Ife around 1400 at the request of Benin's oba Oguola. Indeed, the earliest dated cast-brass memorial heads from Benin (1979.206.86) replicate the refined naturalism of Ife sculpture; early Owo terracotta sculpture appears to have been heavily influenced by the arts of Ife as we'll

sbeezy8:


I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now.  an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

Ol boy
Give me evidence of major cultural and linguistic similarities between Edos and Yorubas.

I got no time for oduduwa folklores

Edo people are proud people with rich tradition. Their history is one of the well-documented in Nigeria. In 16th century(more than 500yrs ago) a certain Oba of Bini was the 1st to learn and speak a major European(Portugese) language. That was when yorubas and my tribe Igbos are still in the bush. Their sophistication is unparalleled in ancient West African history. Therefore I can never subscribe to the notion that Edos don't know their history.

Esan people (Edo Central) have a lot in common with the igbo people.
they are mostly catholic and some are very fair in complexion.
the uromi town in esan got their trading skills from igbos.

the edo north behave like an Hausa people and about 50% of them are Muslims.
Ako edo people are from ondo state.

edos(Binis) have alot in common with the ijebu people .

Abagworo:

The Brief Historical Origin Of Umueri


Umueri also known as Umuleri is part of ancient
Umueri Clan which traced its origin to a
warrior named Eri. The Oral tradition of the
people traced the origin to waves of Migration
led by Eri. Although there were no written
records existing, its indeed obviously facts
that the history and Origin of Umueri dates
back to time immemorial and early part of
human existence in this part of the world
following emerging facts from ever constant
oral tradition and recent archeological
discoveries that tends to portray the Umueri
enclave as the first area of human Existence
in Southern Nigeria.According to the works of
Dr Elizabeth Isichei While quoting L Froberius
The Voice of Africa 1913 as quoted MDW
Jefferies, the Divine Umunri King of Igboland
PHD Thesis ( London ) 1934 wrote “The First
cradle of human habitation in Igbo area were
probably the Cross River and Anambra River
Escarpment. In each of these areas, latter
Stone Age sites have been excavated. For
instance an ancient storage Relic was
excavated in Umunagu Umueri in 1975 by Mr.
Emmanuel Ozoemena. This ancient relic was
said to have been used during Stone Age era
probably 980 AD. Elizabeth Isichei went
further to state, “This picture of an early
nucleus of settlement in Northern Igbo land is
confirmed by Igbo traditions.The Tradition of
Umueri Clan which hitherto includes that of
NRI states that both them and Igala
emanated or descended from more ancient
community in Anambra Valley . ''We are all
descended from Eri but Igala went one way,
Agukwu another, Amanuke another, Nteje
and Igboariam and Others”. It was possible
that the Igala and the Others were either
wives, children or even descendants of
concubines of the Great Eri.Historians have
not agreed on exact place that Eri and his
company came from. But it was quite clear
that he comes from the east and moved
further down and settled temporarily with his
followers (among them Ogiso, progenitor of
Bini, Aro' progenitor of the Aro people in
Igboland and many others), to an area near
the confluence of the Niger and Benue Rivers
(present day Igala land). From there, Eri
moved to the Anambra Valley and finally
settled near the coast of Omabala river
(corruptly called Anambra by the White men)
at Okpotevi (In Ugume Umueri) near Obuaga,
which is presently located in Aguleri. Some
other accounts hold that Eri was specifically
the direct descendants of Gad who is the 10th
son of Jacob ( Israel ). (Ref. Gen: 46:16;
Numbers 26:16). [b]What is however certain is
that Eri was the father and progenitor of
Umueri and other Umueri clans and that his
residence in Umueri remains the ancestral
homes of the Igbo nation.According to
tradition, Eri was a Great Warrior, hunter and
Polygamist. He has a lot of children and wives
(Not limiting to two as written by many
writers). The Most famous of the wives was
Iguedo from presumably the lineage of Edo
(Bini) who was amongst the crowd of
migrants at that time. She was also Mother to
the founders of Ogbunike, Awkuzu, Umueri
and Nando and a Daughter who was amongst
the founders of Oboli Quaters of Onitsha( This
explain the relationship between Umueri and
Onitsha and other Iguedo clans). Eri due to his
influence was said to have snatched (re-
marry) Iguedo from Nnamenyi, another of the
Migrants and she bore to him (Eri), Dabawor
who founded Modern Umueri clan. At the
Demise of Eri She re married again to Iru,a
Hunter and Herbalist who was said to be part
of Eri Company. It was here (in this
relationship) that She begat Ndo who was the
founder of Nando.Archeological Surveys
reveals that before ancient war and growth in
population scattered ancient Umueri clans
into the forest of Igbo land, they were all
living in Dabawor/Obuga area. Hence today,
traces of their habitats are still visible in this
area. For Instance, "Aguu Nri" and
"Okpotoevi" are still at Ugume Umueri. Aguu
Nri is an antiquity of Great Importance. It’s
about half a thousand Year Old tree which is
at Ama Iruakpu-Ugume, Umueri up till this
day. It was said to be founded by Nri
Ifikuanim who was the founder of Nri
Kingdom .[/b] The Surviving Generation of Elders
confirmed it as antiquity of Great Historical
Importance. One Problem that had affected
the fact of Aguu-Nri is contradiction
emanating from the Nri,Aguleri and Other
Communities claiming head to the origin of
Eri. In this bid, a lot of distortions came up
either by design or Ignorance of true
Position.But In spite of these distortions, the
name Umueri which literally means "Children
of Eri" is a natural and unbiased
nomenclature indicating Umueri relationship
with Eri. Whatever historical view may be,
One point remain untainted- that all the
Children or Descendant of Eri once had their
ancestral home in Umueri, as borne out by
archeological, oral and anthropological
records. Perhaps one pointer to these
assertions is the existence of several trace of
Umueri lineage in Some Northern Igbo towns
and even western igbo areas. For instance,
Umueri Ogbunike, Umueri Nteje, Umueri
Okija, Ugume in Kwale area,Umuriam Nawfia
( emanates from Umuriam Umueri) and a lot
of other traces. It’s indeed worth to note that
with exception of Umueri, there are no other
towns that have such proof elsewhere.The
Maternal Influence of IguedoThe Origin of
Iguedo though seems to be a great puzzle to
Historians than that of Eri but her importance
in history of Igbo origin could not be over
emphasis. Some Scholar attempted to credit
her as a daughter of Eri, but this attempt
failed because there was no way She could be
a daughter of Eri and got married to same
man or his son inorder to begat Umueri. This
is tantamount to taboo or "nso ani" in Igbo
Culture. The Second Group has tagged her as
Eri daughter who was allowed by her father to
bear children at home without been married.
But the Oral tradition of the entire Iguedo
clans disagreed with this assertion as it could
have amount to bastardization of Culture if Eri
made such a taboo as all of their tradition
indicates paternal originFrom an account of
One Mrs Paulina Osakwe now deceased, an
aged woman from Nando clarified that in
those (ancient) days, both Igbo , Igala and
Binis are one people living in Anambra Valley
under the leadership of Eri. That Iguedo was
from Bini lineage seems be getting wide
acceptance (taking consideration of her
name).Iguedo was said to be a very powerful
woman with mysterious power. She holds a
lot of power that at her demise most of the
town founded by her children was known by
her name. This was later to become a
tradition in Umu-Iguedo and entire Anambra
Valley as children are easily recognized by
their Mother's name rather than that of their
fathers. This was due to the polygamous
nature of the society then. Because by using
ones Mothers name, it would be easier to
know the exact person and lineage. Hence
Dabawor (founder of Umueri) was known as
child of Iguedo . Dabawor (Umueri) was the 3
child of Iguedo as she had previously bore two
to Nnameyi (Founders of Ogbunike & Awkuzu)
before Eri took her as wife after having
divorced the previous Husband. At Demise of
Eri, she got married to Iru whom she bore Ndo
(The founder of Nando).An Oral account has it
that at her death, Nando invited the rest of
the children of Iguedo for burial arrangement.
But then there was commotion and
quarrellings on where to entered her body.
Ogbunike who was the eldest of the Iguedos
wanted the body to be taken home
(Ogbunike) for burial since they are Children
of the First Child but Nando Objected on the
ground that they were people that took after
her during her old age. Unknown to all of
them, Umueri delegates went outside for
private talk and came back singing war
music. They cut off her head and took it home
where it was buried in Nneyi Umueri. Today
the trace of her tomb is found in the Shrine of
the Aro Oracle of Umueri while her body was
finally buried in Nando. In order to
commemorate her memorial, there was
traditional annual ritual festival called "Oriri
nne Iguedo" been celebrated in Nnado unto
this very day. And all her Children are
expected to be there for the ritual of reunion
of the IguedosEri Origin:Aguleri and Umueri
were Neighbors and from all available
evidence are relatives since the both origin is
surrounded in the myth of Eri. One accounts
has it that Aguleri were amalgamation of Eri
descendants living in the forest/wilderness as
the name suggests -The Eri living in the forest
(Aguu). This explains why many Aguleri have
their ancestral home in Aguleri Otu and
Odeke at the bank of Anambra River near to
Kogi State.Though this account seems not
popular, but it’s no denying the fact that both
Aguleri and Umueri hail from the same
ancestor. Oral tradition of Umueri however
agreed that they were half brother. The Oral
tradition traces the geneology to Dabawor,
the eldest Son of Eri whose daughter was
Okpu, the founder of the most elderly village
in Aguleri till today.Reference for further
Study : History of Igbo People By Elizabeth
IsicheiUmueri- Head of Ancient Umueri Clan
By Nwabunwanne IfediorahUmunri King By
FergusonNiger Igbos by GT Basdon 1938

So you mean she walked all the way from Benin to marry Eri or the reverse? lol

[size=14pt]“In some areas outside the East, Ibos were killed by local people with at least the acquiescence of the federal forces, 1000 Ibo civilians perished in Benin in this way” (New York Review, 21 December 1967)
[/size]

very similar , indeed.

@sbeezy
So Ife and Modakeke are not related since they killed each other? What a logic.

sbeezy8:

[size=14pt]“In some areas outside the East,  Ibos were killed by local people with at least the acquiescence of the federal forces,  1000 Ibo civilians perished in Benin in this way” (New York Review, 21 December 1967)
[/size]

very similar ,  indeed.

It's allowed.

When u can't put up a strong defence, descend to pettiness.
Well it does not serve my purpose to descend into gutter with you.
Enjoy your stay there.

When u comes out of your pettiness, present a concrete evidence that yorubas and edos shares cultural and linguistic ties.

I'm tired of oduduwa mythology

lol Im not an oduduwa and I dont believe in Oduduwa, so I dont know where that came from.

afam4eva:

@sbeezy
So Ife and Modakeke are not related since they killed each other? What a logic.

makes no sense. Ife and Modakeke have crisis between themselves similar to ezzio and ezillo - similar to hausas from different quaters clashing in bauchi or kano. Even fulanis borroro and other non migrants fula clash between themselves.

sbeezy8:

lol Im not an oduduwa and I dont believe in Oduduwa, so I dont know where that came from.

Then why bombard me with folklores similar to oduduwa folklore?

sbeezy8:

I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now. an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

ACM10:

Then why bombard me with folklores similar to oduduwa folklore?

I didnt see Oduduwa in what I said or folk tales. I simply said Edos- Bini in particular have said that yorubas have descended from them, and yorubas have also said Edo Bini particular have descended from them.

sbeezy8:

I didnt see Oduduwa in what I said or folk tales. I simply said Edos- Bini in particular have said that yorubas have descended from them, and yorubas have also said Edo Bini particular have descended from them.

Since it is a hearsay story and there is no concrete evidence of cultural and linguistic similarities between the two tribes. Then it is a folklore

ACM10:

Since it is a hearsay story and there is no concrete evidence of cultural and linguistic similarities between the two tribes. Then it is a folklore

how is that bini,Isan,igarra afemai or yoruba peoples problem. Majority of them dont care who is related to them or similar- they know their OWN individual histories and are sticking to it. so why are igbo people like urself and the original [/b]poster making a big deal out of something that doesnt concern you?

Before you said [b]"Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media."

and Im telling you that Binis have said that Yorubas descended from them. so what is ur beef? what is folklore about bini history saying yoruba are similar to bini because yorubas descended from bini?

sbeezy8:

how is that bini,Isan,igarra afemai or yoruba peoples problem. Majority of them dont care who is related to them or similar- they know their OWN individual histories and are sticking to it. so why are igbo people like urself and the original [/b]poster making a big deal out of something that doesnt concern you?

Before you said [b]"Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media."

and Im telling you that Binis have said that Yorubas descended from them. so what is ur beef? what is folklore about bini history saying yoruba are similar to bini because yorubas descended from bini?

Ol boy
u can twist it for all u want.
I'm not talking about oduduwa-like folklores or ambiguous claims. I'm talking about recorded/concrete history

ACM10:

Ol boy
u can twist it for all u want.
I'm not talking about oduduwa-like folklores or ambiguous claims. I'm talking about recorded/concrete history

YOURE THE ONE WHO SAID:

ACM10:

Edo people are proud people with rich tradition. Their history is one of the well-documented in Nigeria. In 16th century(more than 500yrs ago) a certain Oba of Bini was the 1st to learn and speak a major European(Portugese) language. That was when yorubas and my tribe Igbos are still in the bush. Their sophistication is unparalleled in ancient West African history. Therefore I can never subscribe to the notion that Edos don't know their history.

Im saying ok Binis recorded that the "so called bini soldiers were impreganting women in Ekiti Ondo and Lagos and Bini historians count  Oba of Lagos as a bini monarch from burial practices,dress,Cultural line etc."

How do you not get any similar or related than that? Thats Bini history!

You said Bini history is well recorded.

Before British colonialism, the Igbo were a politically fragmented group. There were variations in culture such as in art styles, attire and religious practices. Various subgroups were organized by clan, lineage, village affiliation, and dialect. There were not many centralized chiefdoms, hereditary aristocracy, or kingship customs except in kingdoms such as those of the Nri, Arochukwu, Agbor and Onitsha. This political system changed significantly under British colonialism in the 19th century; Eze (kings) were introduced into most local communities by Frederick Lugard as "Warrant Chiefs

I am from a noble Igbo family that was chosen to become a royal family when the Igbos began to have kings in imitation of their neighbors; the Igala, and the Bini.

Look at the above.  It is documented that Igbo majority and entry into Kingship and civilization was facilitated by non-igbos.  

Edo and Yoruba are one family. . . .Odudua ancestry.  Modern politics and increased assertion for geo-political quotas and representation has fuelled rivalry for independence.  If the question of state creation and quotas disappear, which will happen when the country dissolves. . . the Edos will naturally reclaim their bond and rightful place in their ancestral home.

ACM10:

Ol boy
u can twist it for all u want.
I'm not talking about oduduwa-like folklores or ambiguous claims. I'm talking about recorded/concrete history

I dont know what you dont understand about

1)Bini history claims Oba of Lagos is bini
2)Bini history claims that Bini soldiers intermarried with Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos.

Bini historians-

Alternatively, the Benin believe that he was a prince that was banished by his father, the "Ogiso" of Benin. His name, they claim, is derived from "Idoduwa", meaning "fortune's path", symbolizing the painful exile from his ancestral home. In support of this view, they claim, Oduduwa's grandson Oranmiyan later returned to Benin to rule the Empire around 1,100 AD.


You are the one who said Bini know their history and are well documented.

Because I show you the connect that bini believe is to be yoruba relation- you want to say now that its folklore, even though you said Bini history is well recorded.

So are you saying the bini historians are incorrect or something?

sbeezy8:

lol [size=20pt]Im not an oduduwa[/size] and I dont believe in Oduduwa, so I dont know where that came from.

makes no sense. Ife and Modakeke have crisis between themselves similar to ezzio and ezillo - similar to hausas from different quaters clashing in bauchi or kano. Even fulanis borroro and other non migrants fula clash between themselves.

hmmm

sbeezy8:

@tpia [size=20pt]I swear to God I'm a yoruba[/size]- why is it so hard to believe that you goat? An hausa can have kanuri and fulani uncles- not a big deal. But you think cause I'm yoruba I don't have relatives who aren't technically yoruba. Close minded goat. I'm not an exotic mix I'm a yoruba who happens to have grand parents from different countries you animal

I never knew I was debating with a flip-flopper who would rather take any position that advances his arguement

good point sbeezy!

whichever you approach it. . . from the Bini account or from the Ife account, neither one denies brotherhood of the other and their common ancestral bond.  If you dont believe the Yoruba account, then take the Bini account that is trustworthy and it brings you that conclusion of common ancestry with Yoruba.  If you dont trust Bini account but believe Yoruba, then follow that and you will still arrive at the same common root.