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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 9:19pm On May 02, 2021 |
charlesucheh: Reality tells me he will carry his own load last last after all he has said he is perfect like his father. It behold on him to do the right thing in the face of threat just like his father. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by charlesucheh(m): 9:20pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:was God sectionalizing when he made those laws for the Israelites? why is your reasoning like this? to counter my position by all means? haba! |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 9:27pm On May 02, 2021 |
charlesucheh:Yes, God was sectionalizing and He made no attempts to hide it given that throughout the Old testament He sings of How Israel is His people and He is their God. You don't need to try to defend God by denying that which is right before your eyes. God is not foolish for doing what He did and even Jesus Christ did not attempt in any way to hide the fact that His original mission was to the lost sheep of Israel and not to the uncircumcised non israelites. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by generationz(f): 9:29pm On May 02, 2021 |
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Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 9:30pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I didn't ask you of perfection I don't want to believe you are finding it difficult to comprehend my post. That post didn't respond to anything perfection but concerning the claim that even God's "defence of" or lack thereof is a 2-way street. I have shown you repeatedly that God will defend the apple of his eyes as very good example of self defense of which you equally support in the affirmative that God does so. After Jesus resurrection, Peter was jailed, God sent his angel to singlehandedly lead Peter out of prison. Self defense I repeat is a two way street from the antecedent of God recorded in the scriptures that you know well enough. As for perfection, yes I am perfect since I am no longer a slave to sin Are you perfect? Your answer YES! Are you in the same level like God? I await your response See John 8 and John 14 to learn how to become a Son of God too. Who gave you right to be son of God? I don't have to get to John 8, 14. John 1 captures it well enough. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by charlesucheh(m): 9:35pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:you just destroyed the mindset of an aspiring Christian. let me round it all up for you. the ten commandments is what my faith lays on. I believe anything that goes contrary to its content should be regarded as a sin against God, and in so far as defending myself while being attacked isn't contradicting it, then, it is not a SIN. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 9:53pm On May 02, 2021 |
charlesucheh:Aspiring Christian? Christianity is not for the faint of heart. If you are not willing to die to self and your own way of doing things, you should only even bother at all. It gets worse, if you are not willing to lose everything you value,including your life, you will never be worthy of Jesus CHRIST. So, you need to think deep and hard as to whether this is even for you before you make that leap and one only way to make an informed decision in this is to learn the Truth of Jesus Christ as it is written of in the Gospels , and not as you imagined it to be God never said anything that goes contrary to the 10 commandments is what He considers sin, so I don't know what God your faith lies in but it certainly isn't the same God written of in the bible. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:01pm On May 02, 2021 |
achorladey:John 8 explains to you how you can in fact become a son of God. John 1 only tells you that you have the ability to become one. Jesus Christ said "Be ye perfect even as your father is perfect". Did He somehow imply from that there there were levels to this perfection He speaks of? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 10:11pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Jesus Christ said "Be ye perfect even as your father is perfect". Did He somehow imply from that there there were levels to this perfection He speaks of So what is the essence of asking me this question below? Are you in the same level like God? Reality tells me you are not on and in the same level as God. John 8 explains to you how you can in fact become a son of God. John 1 only tells you that you have the ability to become one. John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. Is this scripture about the ability of becoming son of God or how you can become son of God? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 10:15pm On May 02, 2021 |
TGM2015: Hmm I think you're right. God bless you. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:26pm On May 02, 2021 |
achorladey:you tell me! |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 10:32pm On May 02, 2021 |
Ayomivic: Which state are you presently? did you heard about one million boys terrorizing the town in Lagos? so how do you make peace with a man that wanted to attack you? My pastor wife is a traveler she worked with Nafdac. Today she was giving a testimony how God have been seeing her through, truoughout from Fulani herdsmen on her journey.. She said there was a day Fulani herdsmen stop a bus but an old man was there with his children a man of more than 70 years old. But this man does not have enough money with him apart from 1.500 naira left with him, but this people gave him a serious beating of his life for having only one thousand five hundred, they even threatened to throw the children on main road so a speeding vehicle will crush them. So how do you make peace with them unless you have enough money with you to beg them, that is even if they want money from you and not after your life. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 10:35pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: It's your question from the start, I gave answer to it when you asked me. I am returning the favor back to you. Then another helping question Do you have BURGLARY PROOF in the house you live now? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:37pm On May 02, 2021 |
achorladey:I was clear in the question I asked when I asked it and you refused to answer it then, and I don't see that applies or is relevant in this or any other case given the assumption it based on. As for your question on burglary proof in ones abode, God's commandments are decided by the actions of individuals. His declaration is absolute,whether people agree or obey it or not. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 10:39pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Bring the question back. I will show you my response. Then another helping question Do you have BURGLARY PROOF in the house you live now? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:40pm On May 02, 2021 |
achorladey:As for your question on burglary proof in ones abode, God's commandments are decided by the actions of individuals. His declaration is absolute,whether people agree or obey it or not. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 10:52pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Since I engaged you on this, I decided to keep following along to see where this leads. What I am looking for was supplied long before this time as the conversation progressed by you. 1. Reality tells me you live in a house with BURGLARY PROOF. Of which you know it's importance. 2. You didn't bother to touch the aspect I asked about work of soldiers in a country and regarding same Jesus words concerning a SOLDIER impressing you for just one mile. Jesus said GO TWO MILES. In the final analysis it comes down to AS FAR AS IT DEPENDS ON YOU BE PEACEABLE WITH ALL MEN. The prayer here is it Should continually depends on us all the time. The reason I stated earlier the THIN line between pacifism and self defense with the associated grey areas. Kobojunkiee are you a PACIFIST? Is the God you serve a PACIFIST? Should you choose to answer be careful before diving into it. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 10:55pm On May 02, 2021 |
achorladey:Again, God's Law where sin is concerned is not dependent on whether a one agrees or not,or whether a one obeys or not. If 2.5 billion Christians refuse to obey His commandments, God has no problem giving them ,all 2.5billion of them, their just reward in the end. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Princewell2012(m): 10:55pm On May 02, 2021 |
seunayantokun: You are very knowledgeable about the Holy scripture. Are you a pastor or a judge? You have nailed it on the head. no more word again. I will like to follow you up here or try to get you on whatsapp. since this place is a public forum. God bless you. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by seunayantokun(m): 11:09pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: What are you saying, please? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by seunayantokun(m): 11:28pm On May 02, 2021 |
Princewell2012:Send me an email tomorrow using seunayantokun@yahoo.co.uk. We'll take it from there. Thank you |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 11:54pm On May 02, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: U didn't make any attempt to answer my question |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 12:13am On May 03, 2021 |
PrecisionFx:I did! The answer to why Jesus Christ sad what He did can best be explained when you in fact read through the rest of the chapter. And like I said.. when Jesus Christ ordered to go buy a sword, he was preparing the stage for what was to take place next. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 1:06am On May 03, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Jesus told all his followers to buy swords to prepare for d next stage, Which stage? War? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 1:24am On May 03, 2021 |
PrecisionFx:What did Jesus Christ say right after He told them to get the sword? And what event took place almost immediately afterwards? |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 8:22am On May 03, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: And God is merciful enough to consider the circumstances leading them to disobey his commandments of which self defense comes under. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Nobody: 9:30am On May 03, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Answer my question. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Rhazie: 9:46am On May 03, 2021 |
self defense is not a crime and not a sin onto God. watch and pray says the Bible, when God want to work he uses man, he won't come down from heaven to do it himself. when Israelites go to war and defend their homes they pray for victory and also participate in it. Joshua as a case study. "On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day." Joshua 10:12-13 read the following Bible verses for better understanding. Luke 21:34-36 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own mansion, his property is safe.” Isaiah 49:25 “Who can snatch the plunder of war from the hands of a warrior? Who can demand that a tyrant let his captives go?” Exodus 22:2-3 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder.” Shalom |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 11:52am On May 03, 2021 |
achorladey:LOL... Maybe you and I have infact been speaking all this while of different God's then. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by Kobojunkie: 11:54am On May 03, 2021 |
PrecisionFx:You have to read the book in order to grasp this one. I am not going to spoon feed you the answers. |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by gbengu(m): 1:55pm On May 03, 2021 |
To be candid, logical and reasonable it's normal, just that even the ministerial work has been polluted and most are using it for selfishness at the expense of poor church masses. Let's be clear on this. Once you attain a position or level that draw crowds from different works or levels of life, then you need personal protection. All Christians either big, small, known or unknown need spiritual protection from God and He will definitely do that so far they're under His coverage. Personal protection is part of protocols to preserve, protect yourself because once your are popular, rich, have multitudes/followers, helping out, delivery people from bondage, having big ministry, then you've already becons to both good, bad and ugly to locate you. People are lover of evils and money. You've definitely attracted both good and bad people. Some are even envious in the things of God. Many pastors are already jealous. Arm robbers are already looking for ways to take their own, kidnappers are also planning theirs, agent of Devil against the ministry are doing theirs spiritually and physically, even some might join ur ministry just take you for granted. Some might plant their agents and whatever in the congregation in disguise to be your member. Then spiritual protection is needed first to settle things with your maker and physical personal protection in anyways or pattern is needed too. If as a pastor, you ordinarily don't want all that; then the position you occupy will force you because many strong members and leaders in the ministry already see you as their G.O, leader, daddy etc and will ensure they create human protocols for that office. In another angle, you'll be priviledge to have VVIP coming for visit, meetings. Thus you've to factor them in your personal protection/protocols. Jesus did not do all those personal protection or protocols but literally if you check your Bible very well, the Disciples create a somehow protocols for him to prevent every nuk and harry despite that Jesus was free with all people. Imagine the man they've to put through the roof. Look at when disciples were preventing the children to come and play With Jesus. Look at the woman with the issues of Blood, maybe she has tried her best just to see Jesus personally/one on one. Princewell2012: |
Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Fight Back As A Self Defense? by achorladey: 3:41pm On May 03, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: What I need is your maybe. |
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