raumdeuter:


Your total spend in the last 7 seasons is only like 150M less than City yet you are complaining about every department from Defence to midfield to attack

Can you imagine?!

In the last 7 seasons City have won 4 titles while we’ve been battling with Europa yet we are spending less than they are. And worse, we are not as sensible as they are in the transfer market.

Does that look like a serious club to you??

Leyqute:


If Pep worked on his defensive side and fields Otamendi and Stones won’t he chop goals?

We wouldn't know.

But what we know is that we abused Ed for missing out on Otamendi and abused Stones for being an average player with English hype.

raumdeuter:


I won't say firing the coaches was wrong if they were not delivering. The problem was hiring the wrong coaches to start with. You hired someone like Mourinho and LvG. See how their career was going before and after Man Utd

LvG sacked Bayern in 2011, he went into semi retirement with the Dutch National team, Man Utd hired him, after Man Utd he hasnt coached anyone again

Mourinho sacked by Madrid and Chelsea then Man Utd signed him. Since Man Utd, he has been fired by Spurs and now hired by Roma

Ole what was his credentials before hiring? I know he was brought to be an interim but overperformed during the interim regime

I won't blame Glazer for this, They are businessmen, Someone recommended the coaches and they paid. Just like someone recommended Pep to Mansoor and he paid

True, the mistake was not really getting coach of high quality then. Tho I might admit they felt they made a right choice in hiring van gaal, but the hiring of Moyes and mourinho was such a bad bad choice and that's what I felt drifted them backwards. If they had gotten a good coach, while they might not have spent like man city, but they won't have been far away from them the way they are now.

That's why I felt it was the coach was where they got it wrong.

eph12:

I'm not sure you are trying to understand my position at all.
1. Have united wasted money on transfers? Yes, a lot
2. Are we spending on players? Yes

Do we agree on this?

I agree with the first point and partly with the second. And it has to do with the first point and the inefficiency of the people at the top. We really fuccked up the last TW

afrodoc:


Finding yourself on the right side of the field on a few occasions is not the same as going against the left back on a daily basis For the example I have seen Rashford cause real damage to the opponents from the right wing but we all know that he struggles when played extensively there.

Can you name one premier league game that Grealish played as a RW or RM? He is a talented player and if we are losing Pogba I wouldn’t mind him coming to play as an AM/LWF however, if we buy him as a RWF we will back after a year complaining that we don’t have quality RWFs.

Can I name one EPL game? I said many times I've seen him operate from there. Now, with that, I feel it's enough to tell that he'll do a great job from either side of the pitch.

But, as for the bold, you're absolutely right. Especially for citing Rashford as an example.


Grealish always moves around yunno. He hardly remains static and not just that; he performs very well on both sides as well.

Leyqute:


I agree with the first point and partly with the second. And it has to do with the first point and the inefficiency of the people at the top. We really fuccked up the last TW

We're getting somewhere without too much English. Good.

Now aside City, which club has done quite well in the last 10 years or so?

Leyqute:


You didn’t get me.

Madrid may not want DiMaria again but the Man Utd project wasn’t appealing to him. They had to use money- lots of it- to make it appealing to him. So when he met with some difficulty, he downed tools and didn’t even try to make any impact.

I saw someone compare the scenario with Ozjl’s move to Arsenal. Ozil was interested in whatever Arsene discussed with him. That’s why he came and didn’t down tools at the sight of any difficulty.

Now, with Neymar and PSG, do you think Neymar would, on a normal ground, want to play for PSG? The money played too much an important role. That’s why he’s playing rubbish for them in important UCL matches and no one could reprimand him. The cost of landing was so much that it gave him too much power. Cavani dragged a penalty with him and his career at the club ended. It is what it is.

City is smart in this regard. Their main attraction before, was the money. But they’re smart about it. They may pay a lot of money for a player, but they won’t make it too much.

They smartly backed out of the Alexis Sanchez deal because if they agreed to his demand they’d be giving him too much power. United didn’t have that sense at that time. They’re just starting to realize that you don’t just throw money at everything. But I just hope it’s not too late.

Are you sure? You feel the signing of depay, falcao et al alongside him was for a project not appealing? You feel it's not to claim back what you guys felt was rightfully yours (which was the project).

From my understanding, reason why he flopped and wanted out was because of how van gaal treated him. The treatment of van gaal coupled with how he didn't like life at Manchester made him flee(after all he had no connection nor love for Manchester before sef)

eph12:

We wouldn't know.

But what we know is that we abused Ed for missing out on Otamendi and abused Stones for being an average player with English hype.

Get it.

Otamendi was okay until he became useless. When he became useless he was used as a makeshift for a better player to come in.

We haven’t done anything similar. We still have Jones, Mata, Matic on our books. They hardly make the bench sef and they still get paid.

Leyqute:


Can you imagine?!

In the last 7 seasons City have won 4 titles while we’ve been battling with Europa yet we are spending less than they are. And worse, we are not as sensible as they are in the transfer market.

Does that look like a serious club to you??

Leyqute:


Phil Jones??!

Will City exchange Phil Jones for John Stones? Oya you sef bring Sule and collect Jones.

Abegi

You want us to count Ake and Alex Garcia but not Phil Jones

eph12:

We're getting somewhere without too much English. Good.

Now aside City, which club has done quite well in the last 10 years or so?

Liverpool has done better than United. Chelsea has done better than United. Tottenham sef. Even Leicester.

All of them have won more titles than United in that period, save Tottenham, who in the period have grown from a Yuropa league regulars to UCL regulars.

Leyqute:


Can you imagine?!

In the last 7 seasons City have won 4 titles while we’ve been battling with Europa yet we are spending less than they are. And worse, we are not as sensible as they are in the transfer market.

Does that look like a serious club to you??

But it has nothing to do with the Glazers, Their job is to spend money and they are doing that

Jodera:
Are you sure? You feel the signing of depay, falcao et al alongside him was for a project not appealing? You feel it's not to claim back what you guys felt was rightfully yours (which was the project).

From my understanding, reason why he flopped and wanted out was because of how van gaal treated him. The treatment of van gaal coupled with how he didn't like life at Manchester made him flee( after all he had no connection nor love for Manchester before sef )

Aren’t we saying the same thing ?

5 defenders plus another 2 holding midfielders for Chelsea. Thiago Silva has really improved the defense, I just wonder why Tuchel won't play a traditional 2 CB and stop using 2 DM since that's what we want Ole to stop doing

raumdeuter:


You want us to count Ake and Alex Garcia but not Phil Jones

Loool. It City offers us Ake for Jones you think Ole won’t jump at the offer?

Leyqute:


Liverpool has done better than United. Chelsea has done better than United. Tottenham sef. Even Leicester.

All of them have won more titles than United in that period, save Tottenham, who in the period have grown from a Yuropa league regulars to UCL regulars.

Can we now compare how much we have spent with these teams?

Leyqute:



3. This is the most important. City were spending money on talents but not overspending on them. They broke records, yes, but by how much? They were smart about that bit. United on the other hand just kept throwing money at problems hoping they’ll magically disappear

What is the differene between this point you made and mine that you responded and disagreed with

raumdeuter:


Maguire is the most expensive defender in the world
Pogba is the most expensive midfielder in the league
Lukaku was the most expensive striker in the league

That Pep spent his own money wisely and Man Utd spent foolishly doesnt excuse your team

Leyqute:


Are you serious?

Man Utd spent money senselessly

raumdeuter:


But it has nothing to do with the Glazers, Their job is to spend money and they are doing that

LooL. Why didn’t Mansor sack Txiki and replace him with Stephen Ireland then throw money at him and watch magic unfold?

raumdeuter:


What is the differene between this point you made and mine that you responded and disagreed with

LoooL. You thought that was me disagreeing with you? LooL. I was being sarcastic oga. The most senseless spenders in the top 6 na United.

eph12:

Can we now compare how much we have spent with these teams?

Do you agree that those teams have done better than United?

Leyqute:


Get it.

Otamendi was okay until he became useless. When he became useless he was used as a makeshift for a better player to come in.

We haven’t done anything similar. We still have Jones, Mata, Matic on our books. They hardly make the bench sef and they still get paid.

Lingard was useful until he became useless. Then Bruno came in. Same with Lukaku, Smalling, Young etc

Leyqute:


Do you agree that those teams have done better than United?

Of course. What I want to understand is if you believe they have done better because they spent more

Leyqute:


LooL. Why didn’t Mansor sack Txiki and replace him with Stephen Ireland then throw money at him and watch magic unfold?

Woodward was part of the successful Man Utd in the Ferguson years, so why and when did he suddenly become a problem?

When coaches fail that is when you start looking for anyone and everyone to blame
When Chelsea was winning no one remembered Emenalo, whenever they fail they suddenly start blaming Emenalo

Leyqute:


LoooL. You thought that was me disagreeing with you? LooL. I was being sarcastic oga. The most senseless spenders in the top 6 na United.

So what do you want Glazer to do, They bought a club, they met how its functioning, they followed the recommendation of those they met there, from Ferguson and Woodward They signed players, paid top money for them and still no success and you feel the problem is Glazer?

If they did differently, e.g sack Woodward, refuse Fergusons counsel to employ Moyes, Refuse to spend on pogba Maguire Fernandes etc you will still blame them

Illimitable:


You are too stupid to understand context.

Pep inherited a team that made semifinal & he was only able to make it after 5 seasons with $1 billion spent.

Is that progression or regression?

I want United to spend lots of money because United as a club generate lots of money. I would rather the money made by United is spent on United rather than the pockets of the Glazers or loan repayments.

I don’t expect you to understand though, this discourse is for the high IQ folks. Once it’s time to discuss the daily delivery of NAPEP bikes, I would consult your valued expertise in that field.

You are too daft to understand football finance.

The way you chat shiit here, I won't be surprised if you literally chat using your anus. The kind of stench you ooze most times is terrible.

So now it's progression and regression of previous season that determines one's spending shey? So to you, guardiola came only to England to make progress in UCL only. While you felt he regressed in UCL, you foolish high IQ won't tell you he progressed in league 4th-3rd shey. Progression and regression is all about moving from s/f to final and vice versa in your high IQ mind, and not about trophies again.
All these shalaye just to prove that you're a hypocrite who needs your club to spend £1b but is criticizing someone who spent such.

I won't be surprise if actually you use your anus to talk cos the only thing that comes out your illimitable mouth anus when you speak and type is....Shit!!!

raumdeuter:


For Eric Garcia, Man Utd has Bailly Lindelof Maguire Tuanzebe and Phil Jones making 5 CBs

How does City beat Man Utd in quantity? Quality is what you make of the players At what point will you pick Stones over the ones you have.

Even the quality is still very subjective though and the truth of the matter is that none of this pep Guardiola's signing would have been recommended by united fans in the first place,because they deem them not quality enough .

Leyqute:


Aren’t we saying the same thing ?

The bolded part is just the aftermath. It wouldn't have mattered if he had a coach like Wenger, who treated ozil respectfully even when he was undergoing a bad patch. You think ozil didn't see arsenal as a downgrade or he loved arsenal at first? But what made him stayed was because of the connection and respect he had with the coach which was mutual. Ozil too would have ran if he encountered van gaal and di Maria would have stayed longer if a wenger-like coach was in charge instead of a van gaal

Leyqute:
Loool. It City offers us Ake for Jones you think Ole won’t jump at the offer?

I remember when Pep started at City and was struggling everyone was like he can never succeed, tikitaka cannot work, No one can survive with possesion in England few seasons later he won now he became the standard of success

WHen this season started and Pep was struggling there were many people analyst, commentators and fans going on about Pep is foolish to play without a real striker, He never replaced Yaya and Kompany, He cannot maintain his success
Now he has won the league and Carling

Even last week Wednesday vs PSG when they were struggling in the first half we saw people claiming why did he not play a striker, do this and that. Now he has won both legs

Man Utds coaching failure is why all this revisionism is going on, They should have done this and that, Refused to heed Fergusons advise, sacked woodward etc

Abeg make we dey try make points without insults na.....haba

eph12:

Of course. What I want to understand is if you believe they have done better because they spent more

Still boils down to your first point: spending senselessly

raumdeuter:


I remember when Pep started at City and was struggling everyone was like he can never succeed, tikitaka cannot work, No one can survive with possesion in England few seasons later he won now he became the standard of success

WHen this season started and Pep was struggling there were many people analyst, commentators and fans going on about Pep is foolish to play without a real striker, He never replaced Yaya and Kompany, He cannot maintain his success
Now he has won the league and Carling

Even last week Wednesday vs PSG when they were struggling in the first half we saw people claiming why did he not play a striker, do this and that. Now he has won both legs

Man Utds coaching failure is why all this revisionism is going on, They should have done this and that, Refused to heed Fergusons advise, sacked woodward etc

$1bn says otherwise.

Leyqute:


SAF has his own contribution to the rot. The “there’s no value in the market “ talk was to defend the Glazers.

He probably felt he should defend the new owners because the former owners sold the club because of the row he had with them. When he realized the mess the club was in he quickly left the sinking ship

Well said chief, nothing but the truth here.