ACM10:

[size=18pt]Evidence of Ancient closeness of Yorubas to edos[/size]

Linguistic evidence: Nil

Cultural evidence: Nil

Archaeological evidence: Nil

Only one evidence: oduduwa mythology/fairy-tale

Yorubas, una too much joor

There is some cultural and archaeological evidence, in addition to historical evidence in oral tradition and documents of a longstanding connection, though. Much of this stuff is in books or articles, but I didn't bother to post any (and probably still won't) because this thread is mostly political anyway. Some cultural similarities have already been discussed in the culture section in some threads. There are of course, some similarities or cultural connections with Igbos, and I didn't discuss that either.

As for linguistic evidence, as I posted on the fifth page of this thread, Edo is basically linguistically equidistant from Yoruba (56% cognate score with Edo over 100 selected words) and Igbo (50% cognate score with Edo over the same selected 100 words). These languages may all sound quite different today, but it seems very probable that several thousands of years ago they were the same and they all later went on to develop their own peculiar/unique features and characteristics.

Rhino.4dm:

Here is the full article http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2312

Yeah, I've seen it before. I don't really agree with all the arguments or claims made in that article, but I understand why there is still skepticism over the different accounts of the Ife-Benin connection from both sides. I think the issue has been kind of overblown somewhat though. Whichever way the connection goes, both were great states in ancient Africa and worthy of respect for their contributions to black African history.

lol . . . i wasnt expecting u to keep posting on the thread and heed to ur own advice after ur first post. but like ur fellow yorubas, u kept coming back for a last word thingy

tevinsolt:

yes thanks we will suffer from the domination, no thanks thread closed.

tevinsolt:

please you can have them, more wealth to go round 

tevinsolt:

you're most certainly welcome.

PhysicsQED:

Just wondering, but do any Ife chiefs or priests wear wrappers today? Because I haven't seen any. The Ife bronzes show rulers or dignitaries wearing wrappers, but I think they've all changed style since long ago to the kind of agbadas and other outfits seen elsewhere in Yorubaland. Even if the dress culture of Benin and Ife were at one time the same, the Ife dress culture today is obviously different.

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
tel them the koko

@exotik

I have already "ethered" you on Sunday, Be useful and productive for once in your life, go play in traffic and stop spewing ignorant bs,

i wonder what age group u guys are, not mature enough for sure.

THE WORD MIRROR IN BENIN IS UWEGBE IN IGBO IT IS UGEGBE
MIRROR
BENIN = UWEGBE
IGBO = UGEGBE

ekwy nwa:

CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
tel them the koko

I was just noting that the claim of the author (Naiwu Osahon) about modern day Ife chiefs wearing the kind of clothes Benin chiefs wear/wore does not seem to be accurate.

http://theooni.org/iferight.htm

Even if Ife chiefs and dignitaries at one time wore wrappers, they don't seem to do so today.

There are a number of other things in that article that I don't agree with exactly, even if I might lean more towards the Benin story.

^^
the correct word is 'ughegbe' not 'uwegbe'

PhysicsQED:

I was just noting that the claim of the author (Naiwu Osahon) about modern day Ife chiefs wearing the kind of clothes Benin chiefs wear/wore does not seem to be accurate.

http://theooni.org/iferight.htm

Even if Ife chiefs and dignitaries at one time wore wrappers, they don't seem to do so today.

There are a number of other things in that article that I don't agree with exactly, even if I might lean more towards the Benin story.

+ 10000

M-16:

THE WORD MIRROR IN BENIN IS UWEGBE IN IGBO IT IS UGEGBE
MIRROR
BENIN = UWEGBE
IGBO = UGEGBE

Yoruba (ONDO) = AYEGBE

Edo state is of no single strategic importance to the Southwest so I don't understand why this thread got to 32 gan sef.
Does an average southwestern know an Edo person when they see one?If you are not Yoruba and you a southerner then you must be Igbo lol!

pluto04:

Yoruba (ONDO) = AYEGBE

Omo layegbe aiye mawo o koko
Mawo temi mamowa majitemi kukona
(Ondo town?)

Ayegbe momu omo mishe mawo, Mawo ojae(in Ikale accent)
( I made my child my mirrior don't break, don't break please)

That word brought music to my head lol

In the interview with President, Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Ralph Uwechue, published in the Daily Sun March 10, the President was asked what efforts he was making to unite Igbo in Rivers and Delta states, he said: “First of all, it should be understood that these factions who now deny the fact they are Igbo did so only after the civil war; take for instance the Ikwerre people… fully identified with us during the pre-civil war era but because the Igbo lost the civil war, a kind of stigma was smeared on them making a lot of people to start adjusting their names to sound less Igbo…”. This statement is misleading and not correct.

First of all, Ikwerre is not Igbo. We have made this clear even before the civil war and that was why some Igbo accused Ikwerre of sabotage during the war. Second, in all efforts by the minorities in the former Eastern region to agitate for their own political, social and economic recognition and liberty in the Eastern region and Nigeria at large, Ikwerre participated fully: hence, the late Chief E. J. A. Oriji and others represented Ikwerre before and during most of the conferences set up to address the fears of the minority ethnic groups in Nigeria. Third, in May 1963, Ikwerre people formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention to state that Ikwerre is a distinct ethnic group from any others in Nigeria. Fourth, in the 1964/65 elections into the Federal House of Representatives, National Council of Nigeria and the Camerouns (NCNC) nominated an Igbo man named Mr. Eluguronu to represent Ikwerre in the House. Ikwerre rejected it and fielded young Nwobidike Nwanodi as an independent candidate and he won. Fifth, Ikwerre’s participation in all the movements for the creation of COR and later Rivers States clearly shows Ikwerre’s rejection of been Igbo.

Let the point be made that right from about the 16th century, the Igbo has been in touch with Ikwerre (through slave trade, Arochuku activities, goods trading, hiring of labour for farm work, marriages and politics) and had always wanted to dominate, colonise and take over Ikwerre at all cost and by all means possible. This is natural especially where the dominated people are better endowed than the colonising power, coupled with the ever tendency of a bigger group to swallow a smaller one and whenever the latter refuses, the former resorts to cheap propaganda. That is exactly what Chief Uwechue and Ohanaeze Ndigbo are bent on doing to Ikwerre. In this unholy enterprise, they appear confused: for example, while some of them claim that Ikwerre sabotaged the Biafra project, Uwechue has said that Ikwerre did not. Truly, Ikwerre did not, just like every other minority ethnic group in the former Eastern region. How could we when the Igbo were in absolute control of the region? So, we fought for Biafra. When another colonising super power (Nigerian forces) arrived, Ikwerre had no option than to surrender and cooperate with them. Hence, Ikwerre actually fought the war on and for both sides.

After the war, some of the ill activities of the Igbo in Ikwerre were corrected. In the case of names, the Igbo first changed the original Ikwerre names into Igbo names in an attempt to force Ikwerre to become Igbo. So at the end of the war, some Ikwerre decided to assert their original names; hence, Igirita was changed to Igwuruta, Isoba was changed to Choba, Amaweke was changed to Rumuokwuta, etc. Even individuals suffered the same humiliation when their names were forcefully changed from Ovunda to Obinna for example. Even the original name of the Ikwerre ethnic group, which is Iwheruoha was changed to Ikwerre by the Igbo. Some names have been retained (like my surname) to reflect part of the Ikwerre colonial journey, just like a Yoruba Nigerian bearing the name Matthew. Does this make the Yoruba man an English man? No!

On a more serious note, [size=18pt]if the Igbo insists that Ikwerre is Igbo, they should provide concrete sociological and historical evidences to prove their case beyond the whimsical factors of appearance, language and name, which no longer can correctly and truly define a people in today’s world[/size].

The bolded.

Some m0rons on this Thread (Onlylies) claimed they can differentiate 2 Southern Nigerian by looks. What could be more id10tic.

32 ogiso ruled over benin,  before the coming of the Oba, and the same son of the last Ogiso ruled as Oba,

Oba of Benin was once asked about the History of the Edo people, 

He said,

History of the Kingdom were passed from one Oba to another Oba down the line, 
He said the ruling tree took the same line,  unlike the yoruba,  the next Oba of Benin is the first Son of the present King.

So History from the King's Mouth is registered to be authentic,

Igbo people finally abandoned this thread. good.

this is quite funny

dayokanu:

Third, in May 1963, Ikwerre people formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention to state that Ikwerre is a distinct ethnic group from any others in Nigeria. Fourth, in the 1964/65 elections into the Federal House of Representatives, National Council of Nigeria and the Camerouns (NCNC) nominated an Igbo man named Mr. Eluguronu to represent Ikwerre in the House. Ikwerre rejected it and fielded young Nwobidike Nwanodi [/b]as an independent candidate and he won.

chei! talk of pure self deceit!
the Yoruba ideeots here don't even know that the name of the ikwerre guy preferred by the ikwerre (according to him) is more igbo than the name they allege was igbo.

igbo boys in da house, please which sounds more igbo?

[b]Eluguronu
or
Nwobidike Nwanodi

lwkmd here o.

Igbo people finally abandoned this thread. good.

this is quite funny

dayokanu:

Third, in May 1963, Ikwerre people formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention to state that Ikwerre is a distinct ethnic group from any others in Nigeria. Fourth, in the 1964/65 elections into the Federal House of Representatives, National Council of Nigeria and the Camerouns (NCNC) nominated an Igbo man named Mr. Eluguronu to represent Ikwerre in the House. Ikwerre rejected it and fielded young Nwobidike Nwanodi [/b]as an independent candidate and he won.

chei! talk of pure self deceit!
the Yoruba ideeots here don't even know that the name of the ikwerre guy preferred by the ikwerre (according to him) is more igbo than the name they allege was igbo.

igbo boys in da house, please which sounds more igbo?

[b]Eluguronu
or
Nwobidike Nwanodi

lwkmd here o.  

you guys should stop commmenting on this topic. I am tired of seeing this topic among my updated topics section

On the issue of who gave birth to the other, Yoruba or Bini. . . .individual accounts, no matter how convincing, is not enough to resolve the dispute. I encourage all Yoruba sons and daughters to please read up on the odus and let the oracle reveal through its own accounts the narrative on Bini. Let us also study the Ewis and the Orikis. Is Bini accounted for in our history and how?

Whatever answer you get, that is your truth! It doesn't have to be the truth for Bini or Ibo, . . .but it shall be the truth for Yorubaland and we can march forward with that truth.

OMG 1000+ comments in this topic in the span of 4 days

Blood of Jesus! Una get time o,

What gall some have to tell others what discussions they can or cannot have! How 'bout I am tired of seeing the whiners who have nothing to contribute but bitching and moaning.

Remedy for for your headache:
Go to your Notifications on your profile page, un-click this topic and you will no longer get reminders for future posts.

It's not by force. Have some respect for others. Undoubtedly, in 32 pages, there is some knowledge being dispensed. Anyone who reads (our Edo citizen) PhysicsQED/MHD's post can attest that he's a very smart and scholarly guy, as well as many others who have posted here - despite the distractions. If you can't see that, then find something that interests you, e.g., Romance, Sexuality, Celebrities, Music, Religion. The possibilities are endless.

tenants always find their voice when the true owners are out for  business AKA Money making
talking about lazy , dirty fools who wish they can rewrite history

Idey laugh

ekwy nwa:


tenants always find their voice when the true owners are out for business AKA Money making
talking about lazy , dirty fools who whish they can rewrite history

Idey laugh

@ekwy nwa

I would advise that you stop referring to other groups as "tenants" for a number of reasons which I wouldn't want to go into here.
I know that some of these Yoruba peeps can get very annoying, but please try to choose your words very carefully. I don't want to ask your age in order not to be misunderstood, but please try to control yourself more. Never forget that you are Igbo, hence your words are always used against you disproportionately in Nigeria.
I also believe that we (Igbo) should leave this thread now.
We have already commented enough on it.
Thanks in advance! 

no that i like calling them that which is obvious,
they should desist from calling my people names, am just giving them full dose of their own medicine

...pls delete

...

ndu chucks:
There is no doubt that the people of the onshore oil producing areas are underserved and ignored by both the federal government and their state governments. It is noteworthy however, that most of the oil revenues are generated from offshore activities.The oil rigs in the Atlantic ocean, miles and miles away from any land, is in Nigeria's waters, hence the revenues generated from offshore oil exploration is essentially commonwealth. The offshore oil belongs to ALL Nigerians and not some marginalized inhabitants of southern Nigeria.

Abuja was built with Nigeria's wealth. period.

I just saw this.

You do realize that the same logic behind the law which is used to argue that that offshore oil belongs to Nigeria rather than belonging to, say, Tanzania, Morocco, Kenya, or even Uzbekistan, also implies that these coastal parts of Nigeria are the reason why the oil belongs to Nigeria? In other words, Lagos, Bayelsa, Delta, Akwa Ibom, etc. are the reason Nigeria can claim that oil. If those states had somehow been transferred to different countries (for example, the Republic of Benin and Cameroon, or new countries entirely), then Nigeria would not have that offshore oil. So those states' continued inclusion in Nigeria make it possible for Nigeria to have the offshore oil, and the argument that the only oil a coastal state gives Nigeria is its onshore oil doesn't really make sense. Had the colonists divided the countries differently, Nigeria could possibly have no offshore oil.

PhysicsQED:

I just saw this.

You do realize that the same logic behind the law which is used to argue that that offshore oil belongs to Nigeria rather than belonging to, say, Tanzania, Morocco, Kenya, or even Uzbekistan, also implies that these coastal parts of Nigeria are the reason why the oil belongs to Nigeria? In other words, Lagos, Bayelsa, Delta, Akwa Ibom, etc. are the reason Nigeria can claim that oil. If those states had somehow been transferred to different countries (for example, the Republic of Benin and Cameroon, or new countries entirely), then Nigeria would not have that offshore oil. So those states' continued inclusion in Nigeria make it possible for Nigeria to have the offshore oil, and the argument that the only oil a coastal state gives Nigeria is its onshore oil doesn't really make sense. Had the colonists divided the countries differently, Nigeria could possibly have no offshore oil.

None of the dogon turenchi above nullifies the fact that the offshore oil belongs to ALL Nigerians. The stated fact remains until Nigeria no longer exists as we know it. I wouldn't hold my breath while waiting for the coastal areas to be carved out of Nigeria and constituted as a new country(ies), if I were you.

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Edo state is a large one that cut across so many other states. just like the yoruba land, ondos and akure is closer to the edo and delta land compared with ijebu and lagos. there are places like akoko-edo which speak yoruba and edo, there are also places that is closer to the igbo land. yorubas claim edo to be their brothers cos they are the closest to them amongst other tribes as well as the oduduwa's tale. some of the names especially the females starting with 'omo'. another reason people believe that edo's are close to yorubas is because of the ruling names like 'oba and iyoba.' some of the words also have like meaning and sound with the igbos, physically and complexion wise, the edos look so much like igbos. but edo is not a small town that one tribe can claim, its a big and ancient city. what matters most is that we live in unity and dont try to claim any land for your tribe cos every tribe is as old as the yoruba, igbo or hausa.

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