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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino2(m): 5:36pm On May 24, 2021 |
budaatum: Yet you call blacks who support republicans or trump names. But you want to use israelis who support Palestinians to make your points. Again, Israel Storm the musk in Jerusalem. Fatah did not shoot missiles but hamas who is at the other side are the ones shooting missiles. When Russia annexed crimea what happened? Thr Ukrainians did not shoot missiles towards Russia because they recognized it is not a war they can win and they could end up losing the whole ukrain. You side with a terrorist group that vows to destroy Israel. OK. But don't complain when Israel fights back 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 5:38pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter:So, because I rob your neighbour in Constantinople and they are not complaining, its ok for me to rob you wherever you are and you too must not complain? ? raumdeuter:As in, budaatum does not recognise your right to exist on budaatum's land that you stole off budaatum! Yes, I will fight and terrorise you with all the means at my disposal to exterminate you off my land, but I sure would not expect rumdeuter the land thief to find my fighting acceptable or rumdeuter would not have stolen my land in the first place and I would not need to exterminate rumdeuter. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 5:50pm On May 24, 2021 |
DissTroy: You went from leftists are not saying anything to it's just a show, two contradictory statements on one matter Bend to the left, bend to the right debate isn't something I will engage in, have fun 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 5:56pm On May 24, 2021 |
Tdotbluejays1: They prefer alternative facts, one idiot is calling for debates, he must really think I have patience and time for people who fill their heads with fantasies from parler 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 5:57pm On May 24, 2021 |
basilico: The radicals amongst the Leftists are the most vocal, sadly. Some of the top henchmen in the Left have Jewish/Israeli heritage but for the sake of grabbing power, they'd get in bed with these radicals to help propagate hate. You need people like AOC and Ilhan Omar to say the most unhinged, vile things which you are too classy to say. It's like Nigerian governors and party leaders using minions like Desmond Elliot and his likes to say the craziest of things but with enough cushion to distance themselves when things go deep South. America is a country of immigrants with a sizeable Muslim population. For the sake of power, you need puppets like AOC and Ilhan (notice their specific ethnicities, gender and religion) to connect with the voting bloc. Give them a platform to make noise but don't let them into the decision-making room. Were they consulted before Biden's declarations? You get it now? Letting antisemitism fester is good especially in election years. Let the Israeli-Palestine escalation repeat itself just before the mid-terms and you'd see how amplified they'd let the voices of Ilhan and AOC be just to play to the gallery and whip up sentiments. Drag it long enough to win or retain seats and we are back to ensuring American foreign policies continue without change. George Soros is smart guy. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 5:59pm On May 24, 2021 |
budaatum: That is because the real world works differently, people move on. Many countries of the world are situated on land that ancestrally did not belong to them. The USA is an example of one. The country where those Democrats are legislating laws about is one As in, budaatum does not recognise your right to exist on budaatum's land that you stole off budaatum! Like I said Israel does not have a problem with Hamas terrorizing it, as long as they dont continue whining around when Israel replies like any rational country will I have asked, If Sinaloa Cartel is using Mexico to launch daily rockets into USA, will Democrats say we should just hand Texas, California etc back to Mexico since their ancestors used to live here |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 6:07pm On May 24, 2021 |
They always love starting from the rocket part thinking that we are kids but will not start from the full story. Even now that there is a cease Fire they are still looking for trouble in Al Aqsa mosque to provoke Hamas again into ending the ceasefire. 1 Like
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays1: 6:07pm On May 24, 2021 |
sanpipita: That's the way of the far right. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 6:15pm On May 24, 2021 |
See western hypocrites calling out Belarus for hijacking a plane same thing they did in 2013 to the president of Bolivia in the name of looking for Snowden. I am not in support of it but see the way they were quick to call out Lukashenko but were deaf to call out Isreal because Isreal is their ally and they gave them a free pass once China,Iran,Russia and Turkey does the same they will call them names but kept mute when their ally did it. I hate hypocrisy ehn and I was disappointed the two state solution is dead so Biden himself talking about it is only paying lip service. So I will say that Belarus has a right to defend d itself too America gives Isreal the highest amount of foreign aid so as for Isreal to bully Palestinians once world powers especially the USA that blocked a resolution has a reverse course they will maintain. I am glad that young Americans are sympathetic to the Palestinians and the world is seeing what Is real is doing. Critizing far right Zionism is not anti-Semitism. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 6:19pm On May 24, 2021 |
sanpipita:No, you have nothing to say. The Leftists Radicals have always made noise, before ante and post escalations. Nothing special. I just listed examples of the ones who do. A full resolution by the Democratic Party is saying something. Something we know they won't say. Heck! There have always been Republicans who deliberately dissent to what would hitherto be a stance of the party. This has happened for years. Does it mean their stances were those of the Right? No. In Nigeria, a one of two vocal persons in the APC are in support of zoning it to the South but is that the stance of the party? No. Most have just said it as personal opinions and not taken it up in any way that can be seen as legal. Shame the US-Israeli things goes beyond anyone POTUS or member of Congress, no matter how vocal. Again, I'd warn you: You could either square up for a debate, back-and-forth, discussion (whatever appellation you'd tag it) with you picking any talking point you want in a composed manner without mudslinging or you go all out with the disses. I'm good either way and have no attachment to any moniker I operate so a ban or the threat of it wouldn't deter me when I go full vitriolic on you. My antecedence on this forum over the years is proof disses and fighting dirty are paths I have towed and never one to back down. Wouldn't start now. For the sake of the reading public who might want to glean whatever they like from the ensuing conversations( ?), keep it civil. Choose wisely, buddy. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 6:25pm On May 24, 2021 |
Western media think this is 1980s where they can tell one side of the story. Thanks to social media, young people in Western countries are calling out the injustice. Israel needs to make peace with their neighbours to secure their future. Technological advantage does not last forever, especially with America on the wane. 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 6:29pm On May 24, 2021 |
AmazonTopaz: Wait... Do you realize Hamas is a terror organization, right? What sort of hatred would make you support the actions of terrorists? What would make you view terrorists as defenders? God! I bet you also think Hezbollah are defenders too. You don't have to state it - support for one terrorist group is a nod of support to the actions of others. 1=a=i. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Weregonnalose: 6:29pm On May 24, 2021 |
AmazonTopaz: You love one sided propaganda and lies. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:32pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime: How do you make peace with someone whose charter and the constitution has at its core the destruction of your own nation? Truth is there is nothing Israel will give them that will bring peace unless Israel cease to exist. Now how do you negotiate that? 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:37pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime: I remember back in 2006 when we used to argue the Ariel Sharon withdrawal from Gaza on this same Nairaland, 15yrs later it has become a base for Hamas and terrorists All the Fatah people were murdered and Hamas took over Gaza. So what else should Israel have done when giving back Gaza backfired spectcularly KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip — Ten years ago this month, the Israeli army undertook one of its most controversial missions, uprooting more than 8,000 Jewish settlers from their homes here in Gaza, some by force. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 6:39pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Israel has already destroyed their nation, so that is normal. Negotiation and settlement can calm all these things over some decades or hundreds of years, just like Scots and Welsh vowed to deal with England but now living at peace. One thing they must know is that one day a technology will emerge that will trump irondome. You cannot be at odds with half a continent and be living in the middle of it. Whether 50 years or 200 years from now, it will not end well. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 6:44pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: The very point which makes media ostriches stick their heads in the sand when raised. And for those mentioning social media opening up the "truth" to young Americans: You mean the same social media like Twitter and Facebook which has content review panels which are made up of Leftists? Like the ones which would suppress trends that don't fit their agenda? I'd give examples: When Biden tripped thrice while boarding Airforce One, Twitter suppressed and shadowbanned accounts which were referring to the incident negatively. Compare that to when Trump had toilet paper stuck on his shoes. It was top of the trend for days. When Chrissy Teigen was busted for verbal assault/bullying minors over the years two weeks ago, people were using #Surviving ChrissyTeigen hastag to expose her. Copy the hashtag then local-search on Twitter. Trend was and is still suppressed. Need I go on? The Leftist are successfully manipulating social media (Twitter and Facebook) as the echo box for their talking points, with inciting headers especially. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:45pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime: Israel was open to negotiating with Mahmoud Abbas Fatah but no one will negotiate with Hamas a terror organization I think Israel has been benevolent enough in all of these. The blockade on Gaza is from both Israel and Egypt as a result of the terror activities of Hamas, but they don't worry about the Egyptian blockade, its the Israel one they want so that they can bring more suicide bombers into Israel Israel is at peace with the stable ones who want peace like Saudi, Egypt and not those who wanted to destroy it You cannot start negotiating with anyone whose cause in life is to destroy you 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino2(m): 6:47pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime: Sadly they can't have peace as long as they teaching their kids at the age of 3 to kill jews. This is not a joke. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino2(m): 6:48pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Abbas hands are tied because it seems hamas is gaining more support from the Palestinians which is a grim situation for them for they don't know. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 6:51pm On May 24, 2021 |
DissTroy: Wonder why you thought it's a good idea to write all that gibberish, "your antecedence over this forum"? what actual nonsense is that, like I should be bothered or what? if I switch off my internet your worthless antecedence doesn't exist. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 6:53pm On May 24, 2021 |
A side of a political party is telling you they oppose a certain policy, but you are still lumping them together with others, this is what I'm supposed to engage with? 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 6:53pm On May 24, 2021 |
benalvino2: At the back of their mind, they do not want a peaceful negotiation or resolution they want a continuation of war that is why Abbas cannot do anything. If there is peace then the terror organizations like Hamas will not have anything to use as propaganda anymore to recruit, They will not have pictures of children to post online for sympathy. The same terror organizations who will strap bombs to Palestinian girls of 8yrs to blow a market now suddenly cares about Palestinian innocent civilians America that has a recent history of fighting terror is now equivocating a country with a terror organization who doesnt mind using a nursery school as a storage for rockets Below is a topic from 2006 on this same issue https://www.nairaland.com/17880/israel-vs-hezbollah-lebanon 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino2(m): 6:54pm On May 24, 2021 |
sanpipita: Dude calm down. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Ibime(m): 7:02pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Did the current situation start in Gaza or in Jerusalem? Of course, when you want to justify something, you will point at the baddest guy from the opposing side. This situation started in East Jerusalem with settler evictions and ignited by storming of Al Aqsa mosque during Ramadan. Bringing in Hamas from Gaza which is miles away and who joined the fracas days later is just an attempt to give a dog a bad name in order to hang it. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino2(m): 7:05pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime: It started in Jerusalem. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:06pm On May 24, 2021 |
Ibime:Well said and they need to make peace with Iran.Iran is a big threat. Abraham accords nor go save them. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 7:07pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: The real world works differently indeed. Just see how Palestine, and Israel, both part of the real world are very obviously not moving on! Some are even harking back to Abraham just so you can see where they are stuck from moving on, but you want to completely disregard the real world playing out in front of you and insist the whole world should move on like Constantinople, and American Indians, just as you too would move on after I rob you and you see me walking down the street with the contents of your house that I just robbed, right? You'd so move on that you'd call me a cab to ease the burden of your goods on my head, nice kind moving on you. You go tell that to those agitating for Biafra, or the Hausas fighting Fulani and come tell me what they tell you to do with your real world that is moving on. I'd so like to hear it. raumdeuter:I bet you'd argue that what you said above does not mean, Israel does not mind the thousands of bombs Palestine is shooting at them, but they shoot back at Palestine for whinning at being shot at. raumdeuter:Last time I checked, Sinaloa cartel was a "large international drug trafficking, money laundering, and organized crime syndicate established during the late 1980s", and not a group set up to fight for "Texas, California etc back to Mexico"! A better analogy would be Biafra or Delta, though not exact. And no, I do not expect Nigeria to just concede back the assets they stole, just as I don't expect America to give back Texas, California etc without a fight even if a credible group of people were fighting for it, or Israel to give back the land they stole, just as you should not expect me to give you back without a fight the contents of your house that I robbed. But I do think I'd be very ignorant to think you'd move on and call me a cab, in the real world. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:10pm On May 24, 2021 |
AmazonTopaz:Israel should again go and make peace with Iran a country who does not recognize Israels right to live Should America also go and make peace with Al Qaeda? |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Weregonnalose: 7:13pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter: She has never said anything meaningful. Iran that wants to destroy Saudi Arabia, USA, UK, Israel? She has no clue. |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:16pm On May 24, 2021 |
raumdeuter:I was referring to Ibime's post and he wasn't lying I was only stating the obvious because nor be only America get technological advancements and Isreal relying on western Super Powers should not be flexing muscles bullying Palestinians. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 7:21pm On May 24, 2021 |
AmazonTopaz: Hamas shooting rockets into Israel daily are not bullying them? They are being friendly? Western superpowers are the only reason why Palestine is not a cloud of dust currently. If there is a media blackout for 1 week like Russia usually does for the Chechen rebels you think there will be anything like Hamas? Israel has the powers to destroy Hamas 100 times over if it comes to free for all warfare and adopt Hamas ideology of everyone is free game In Egypt previous leaders tried the path of aggression and had to back down to embrace peace with Israel. |
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