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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 9:33pm On May 27, 2021 |
Roland17:Yeah. Luiz has already given his goodbye speech sef Well, if the clear outs commence and happens, I'll need to know who is coming in before getting my hopes up. Also, please they shouldn't renew lacazette contract abeg 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:37pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:So Wenger made all those players mentally weak? That is to say that if a player/team is mentally weak then it's the coach that made them so. I am just trying to get your point. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:40pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:You cannot attribute two opposites to one causative factor. What makes you sad cannot make you happy. That's logic. See? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:49pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:If I am funny to you, then you will laugh at yourself because Wenger/ or any coach do not use his money for shopping players. Plus you buy according to the resources available. He only managed to negotiate a deal without having any serious financial backing. It was a terrible error, but it was reminiscent of the kind of ownership we have rather than the manager himself. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 9:56pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:Yes! A team is the reflection of the coach. How this is hard for you to understand is what I don't know. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 9:56pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:Arsenal made a decision. That's the same thing I am asking you. Thinking retrospectively, who would you choose between both, that is the simple question. I had a strong support for the appointment of Arteta. I believed in him. I canvased for him. But I have seen that he wasn't ready to handle the task given him. The board itself didn't help matters with all the politics going on. It was a gamble that failed. I admit mine. He may be given the time to start afresh, but the past year was a failure. A failure that showed when he couldn't beat a weaker team coached by his predecessor. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:04pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:time frame matters. What/who made you sad 3yrs ago can actually be the same thing/person that can make you happy 10yrs later. Everyone is saying Arteta out now, Arteta is inexperienced and all. But if by next season, Arteta one way or the other wins the pl and fa cup and the next 2 yrs win the champions league while playing great football, everybody tune will change on how Arteta should be given a life contract. So would I be wrong to attribute 2 opposite factors about Arteta in years time when describing him? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:09pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:I'd say, the squad lacked balance. There were too many cases of players in positions not suited to them due to lack of expertise in those areas. The quality we found were those of the young lads who discovered themselves. It's still those lads that showed the little attitude we saw. I'd give Arteta credit for improving our defending, but sticks for killing the attack. He did lack an AM over much of the season, but when he had two (ESR and Odegaard) couldn't use them effectively. He will have less matches to play next season, and so more time to transmit his ideas. This is the kind of situation that would have suited a rookie like him to kick start his career. If he gets this opportunity, (as it's seeming likely) he should not be spared if we don't stay top 3 by October ending with genuine push for top four. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:11pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:I still don't get this. When both didn't have the role initially, Emery was chosen over Arteta. Who would at first choose Arteta over Emery? Then Emery failed and Arteta was now chosen. So why then are you asking me if I'm to choose between the two. Emery is past tense, no need bringing Emery up just cos he won us. Emery actually coached us and failed. What's hard to understand there? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 10:18pm On May 27, 2021 |
Roland17:Na this kind news I wan dey hear .... But Arterta may want to stop the transfers o |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:25pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:I asked about a team's mentality. Mental strength just as leadership is an individual quality and it is exclusive. The likes of Vieira and Keane were not created by their managers. If you said Wenger later brought in players that were not mentally strong unlike before, I'd accept. But if you say, Wenger made them mentally weak, (as if they were mentally strong before) it's not acceptable to me as logical. I believe the declining state of the club led to attracting less players with good mental strength. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 10:29pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:Na true sha, No much quality Auba's attitude alone is super terrible. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:32pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:Brother you did not get my analogy. I said one causative factor cannot produce two opposite feelings. For example, if I slap you and it makes you angry, the same slap cannot make you happy even if it's in another time frame. The same Wenger's methods that produced strong mentality cannot produce weak mentality years after. The issue of player mentality have been dealt with in my previous post. Cheers! |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:38pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:That's what I am saying. The problem is us not Emery. Until we get it right, any coach that comes will fail. So let's not paint Emery as a failure because very few coaches will succeed under this setup. 3 Likes |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:50pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:Then let's get those coaches. Emery is a failure here, no how una wan paint am |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:53pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:Lol, if you don't know a player who's mentally strong but is team mates with those who's mentally weak will with time become mentally weak? You think it's just luck or coincidence arsene buys mentally weak players and someone like guardiola klopp or simeone buys mentally strong players? Nah!!! I'll it's not possible |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:54pm On May 27, 2021 |
Fkhalifa:Yeah... Auba attitude is damn weak |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:56pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:I buy this opinion. Fingers crossed on Arteta tho |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 11:05pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:No. It's neither luck nor coincidence, it's money. Ego. You see a player like Harland? Go price am na, then you will know. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 11:08pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:We should get those coaches eh? Lol. So that you will then tag them failures when things don't work, the same way you are tagging a serial winner like Emery a failure. I promise you change. -Buhari (2015) Change begins with you. -Buhari (2019) |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 11:11pm On May 27, 2021 |
Spy360:I won't blame him for that bro. Like I said, he was partially at fault. By the way, Wenger still remain one of my best manager so I have nothing against him. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 11:13pm On May 27, 2021 |
Jodera:Bro..that season still dey do me somehow. All we needed then was a good striker. With a decent striker, we would have won the league. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 11:45pm On May 27, 2021 |
mostob:I blame Wenger for not quitting in 2006. At least it would not give people the opportunity to castigate him. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 6:26am On May 28, 2021 |
Spy360:Factual facts I've been driving at. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Fkhalifa(m): 6:29am On May 28, 2021 |
Spy360: Those coaches will never take the job, only youth corpers will. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Akinbahm(m): 6:39am On May 28, 2021 |
Jodera: Am of the opinion that if a squad is okay they will still go far irrespective of the coach appointed unless the coach philosophy is not similar to that of the squad he met on ground which reverse will b the case. Coach is easier to b freed of his appointment while that of players is very hard. I don't know why some fans are putting larger blame on Emery for loosing to Chelsea in Baku whereas reverse seems to b the case. The reason I started supporting Emery after his sack is/was I realised majority of these players lack basic things footballer should possessed. It's not coincidence when Emery took charge there's massive improvement and of all sudden they dropped drastically same as Arteta. I think we have to start questioning these players because of our sanity. Lastly, the whole crap is on the owner who failed to state what they want from both players and coaches. Fkhalifah said and I quote he said "Chelsea as a case study shows what ambitious team does from the owner down to the players want to carry Trophy back2back failure from either coach or players they are shown the exit door irrespective of what you acquired for the team in the past" is it same with Arsenal NO if we fail to tackle the problem from the root source (owner) we will still b dangling inside the problem. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Akinbahm(m): 6:42am On May 28, 2021 |
Jodera: I agree on that of quality but strongly disagree on that of attitude. Maybe you are looking at it from the Young players perspective Tierney included. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:23pm On May 28, 2021 |
Akinbahm:Looking deeply at the squad, you're right 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:50pm On May 28, 2021 |
Akinbahm:I very very much agree our owner is the main issue. Yes. But a good coach with good players can mask a lot of things. But I disagree with the fact that any coach with an Okay squad will go far. I think you're underestimating the impact of coach in a team. You see that present man city squad, I assure you give Ole or Nuno espirito that squad and they won't win the league or be dominant the way guardiola is. That's just an example of the impactful a coach is. As for Emery, while it's not his fault that he failed at arsenal (bought him pepe instead of zaha and sold iwobi one of his most used players), but then he made us worse than what we initially are. I don't blame him for the final loss, in fact till this day na curse I dey curse kolasinac cos he was the one who sold that final in the first half. Anyways, I just hope the board is changed and those our invincible team and Ek take over. Till then I'll be watching to see how Arteta fares next season |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:51pm On May 28, 2021 |
mostob:I tell you bro. Just painful 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 5:01pm On May 28, 2021 |
Spy360:Serial winner like Emery? Aside Europa a second rated European cup, what has he won?? He'll avoid the likes of Bayern and barca in UCL just to meet otelul galati and Wimbledon in Europa. Then meet an average league club side in s/f and final before winning that's what you're calling serial winner? In Spain, how many times has he jostled for league with Madrid and barca? How many times has he even reach copa del Rey final sef? If not PSG that boost his CV that made arsenal sign him, you think the board would have looked his back? Please Emery is an average coach for average club like Everton, west Ham and sort. He'll do well with them without much pressure and less league involvement and he knows how to navigate Europa cup competitions cos he knows it's just sf and final he'll need to be tactically right. Come on, abeg make we no dey too hype this Emery abeg. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 5:06pm On May 28, 2021 |
Spy360:Na only haland and him type dey market? How much was ferran Torres again? You want to tell me someone like ferran Torres can't enter first 11 in our squad? When we start to look for 100m players instead of effective players that can come relatively cheap why won't we be in this mess. Is partey not relatively cheap? Two of some of our best signings this past decade came relatively cheap. Sanchez and cazorla. |
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