Badgers14:


I am on the fence on this one.

One of the points the client raised was, when he hired the guys that did the plastering, they gave him all the used bags of cement, so he is supposed to keep the empty buckets of paint.

This is one of the reasons I advise both contractors and client to iron things out, make sure they are on the same page and agree on terms before the job starts.

Interestingly, lots of people are for the clients tho. (But again most people on the group live outside Nigeria - not sure if it affected how they looked at the issue).

The empty paint buckets belongs to the client. There's no argument in such things. The client can give some to the painter to keep to avoid unnecessary arguments.
I think we had a similar discussion here years ago but relating to electrical cables that a client paid to supply and wire the house and the electrician wanted to collected about 4 cables left of various sizes!!!
So does the cables belong to the electrician? Na only government jobs wey left over materials are kept back by the contractor.

bixton:



The empty paint buckets belongs to the client. There's no argument in such things. The client can give some to the painter to keep to avoid unnecessary arguments.
I think we had a similar discussion here years ago but relating to electrical cables that a client paid to supply and wire the house and the electrician wanted to collected about 4 cables left of various sizes!!!
So does the cables belong to the electrician? Na only government jobs wey left over materials are kept back by the contractor.

this is a very dicey situation oh. Let's say for myself now eh, I will give you the price of doing a job and then buy materials for it and deliver to your site, whatever that's left,am going with them unless when they aren't worth the financial costs of traveling with them

kopell:
Oga 48hours for (ANY) drawing, does this include the architectural, mechanical drawing? Haba don't you think it's to fast with back and forth with client request before arriving at a conclusion for the design. I have no idea how this 48 hours thing is possible. I think I might have to challenge your competent in my next project, be prepared my designs are crazy. What is your average cost? Can you please show us some of the samples of the designs you did in the past.

It's even against the ethic of the profession to do a direct advertisement of you in this manner. SMH! now they will say they are chartered n has mnse, coren and the likes.
Even newbies in the profession don't do this,

Horlardorjah:



It's even against the ethic of the profession to do a direct advertisement of you in this manner. SMH! now they will say they are chartered n has mnse, coren and the likes.
Even newbies in the profession don't do this,

I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO A PROFESSIONAL... THIS IS 21ST CENTURY... MNSE, COREN VERIFICATION SHOULD BE WHAT A CLIENT SHOULD CONFIRM FIRST BEFORE HE ENGAGES A PROFFESSIONAL... SOME OF YOU JUST WANT TO TALK FOR TALKING CASE..
ADVERTISING MYSELF IS NOW A CRIME.. TELL ME IN WHICH SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN A PROFFESSINAL CAN T ADVERTISE HIMSELF ON A FORUM LIKE NAIRALAND... PLEASE POST THE PROVE... I AM READY TO LEARN...

I AM SUPPOSE TO OVERLOOK YOUR COMMENT BUT I THINK PEOPLE CAN LEARN FROM IT...

EXPECTING YOUR PROOF OF ETHICS OF NOT DOING DIRECT ADVERTISEMENT OF BEING A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER...

Badgers14:
Please help me investigate this case... someone on what's app group is having issues with the painter he hired.

One of the issues at hand was that the painter was collecting the empty paint bucket used and he wants the empty buckets.. the painter said that's not how it is done.

This got me confused, I have done some projects in the past but didn't really get into details like that, like what happens to empty bag of cement, used bamboo , paint buckets etc. ( you need to leave room for family members to chop )

Who is right here? Does the client take possession of all the empty paint buckets or do painters keep them?


Cc: Gbadexy

On a norm, as a painter you don't go away with empty paint buckets except otherwise stated by the client! Likewise cement n bamboo

To some clients, it's a way to ascertain or say checkmate the painter as per the number of paints eventually brought to site n used on a site with good security records OH.

In contract, the contractor (main) decides what happens to them

To some clients, they have family members that will need them n will be willing to give out as gift for house warming likewise the family members will chop geng too

michlins:
this is a very dicey situation oh. Let's say for myself now eh, I will give you the price of doing a job and then buy materials for it and deliver to your site, whatever that's left,am going with them unless when they aren't worth the financial costs of traveling with them

This analogy is not quite right. You deal with steel and what you quote for is a complete production of whatever. However, if a painter quotes for materials and labor separately, and is paid for both then the buckets belong to the client. It can only belong to the painter if he got a turnkey contract I.e. this is the house, I will give you a fully painted house for e.g. 1million. In this case all the client gets is a painted house and nothing more

freshvine:


You're a professional as you claim and how then does throwing insults at customers help your brand?

Begging is not a crime stealing is. We all have our down moments at least your client is focused. He begged in 2013 but today a landowner who is able to afford your service. Do you mock such person or you celebrate him.

The 20k he gave you initially wasn't from his heart as he told you to hold on. That money was given to you to save his neck from "evil" person due to your many threats but I assure you if he was indeed a bad person as you allege he'll call your bluff and tell you to go to hell.

In igbo parlance there's a saying that " ojiri gi ogu jiri kwa gi ofo. Meaning haven't given you the money he has raised the deities of justice against you.

The ball is in your court now...

Thanks so much. God bless you.

michlins:
@stanley000 you're everything I strive and work hard not to become. My clients are my everything. Big client or small client.

Someone begged in 2013 and in 2021 he's a landlord. What do you think he will become in 2023.


If you can't deliver for your client, don't berate or insulat him or her. All we need in life is an opportunity and someone gave you that opportunity and instead of you to make use of it, you dragged it through the mud with your ungratefulness.

In a country where minimum wage is #30,000, someone gave you #20,000 with begging and all you could do is insult him

Thank you Sir. I appreciate

flexyonline:


This analogy is not quite right. You deal with steel and what you quote for is a complete production of whatever. However, if a painter quotes for materials and labor separately, and is paid for both then the buckets belong to the client. It can only belong to the painter if he got a turnkey contract I.e. [bthis is the house, I will give you a fully painted house for e.g. 1million. In this case all the client gets is a painted house and nothing more][/b]

this is exactly what I mean if the painter quoted for the job without the input of the client. Not quoting differently the labor cost and materials

michlins:
this is a very dicey situation oh. Let's say for myself now eh, I will give you the price of doing a job and then buy materials for it and deliver to your site, whatever that's left,am going with them unless when they aren't worth the financial costs of traveling with them

It's not a dicey situation. I am telling you how I have been operating. There are things which are not the norm but because clients allowed it not having any need for such.
You see those paint buckets I keep some back and give some to the painter because I use the empty buckets in place for headpans during concrete works.

Let me ask you a question if there was a left over of 4 full buckets of paints will you say the painter owns them all ?

micgray100:


I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO A PROFESSIONAL... THIS IS 21ST CENTURY... MNSE, COREN VERIFICATION SHOULD BE WHAT A CLIENT SHOULD CONFIRM FIRST BEFORE HE ENGAGES A PROFFESSIONAL... SOME OF YOU JUST WANT TO TALK FOR TALKING CASE..
ADVERTISING MYSELF IS NOW A CRIME.. TELL ME IN WHICH SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN A PROFFESSINAL CAN T ADVERTISE HIMSELF ON A FORUM LIKE NAIRALAND... PLEASE POST THE PROVE... I AM READY TO LEARN...

I AM SUPPOSE TO OVERLOOK YOUR COMMENT BUT I THINK PEOPLE CAN LEARN FROM IT...

EXPECTING YOUR PROOF OF ETHICS OF NOT DOING DIRECT ADVERTISEMENT OF BEING A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER...

A quick one Sir,
Why don't we have signage boards(advertisement board) of engineering firms all around the streets or hung at the entrances of their firms detailing all they do
like you did here .what you see is just a name tag for description Sir!
Your works advertise you and the best way you can go about it here is to drop your watermarked previous works without saying much and peeps who needs it will definitely come to you.
I'm not in anyway against you Sir, just let us dignify this professions abit as per how they were back in the days.
I cum in peace ENGINEER

bixton:


It's not a dicey situation. I am telling you how I have been operating. There are things which are not the norm but because clients allowed it not having any need for such.
You see those paint buckets I keep some back and give some to the painter because I use the empty buckets in place for headpans during concrete works.

Let me ask you a question if there was a left over of 4 full buckets of paints will you say the painter owns them all ?

if his quote was to paint the house completely and you pay him,he owns whatever that's left including paints. If he quoted that he needs twenty buckets of paints and you paid and he brought them to site. Later, there's half tin left,na you get am.


Play it out like this, I can give you my price of doing a tank stand and then knowing that I can't buy extra materials in your location, I can buy few extra materials just in case there's need for it. I own them after the work.


But if I list materials you need and you pay for them, even the off cut isn't mine to take without you asking me to.


I hope you understand the two situations

micgray100:


I HOPE YOU ARE ALSO A PROFESSIONAL... THIS IS 21ST CENTURY... MNSE, COREN VERIFICATION SHOULD BE WHAT A CLIENT SHOULD CONFIRM FIRST BEFORE HE ENGAGES A PROFFESSIONAL... SOME OF YOU JUST WANT TO TALK FOR TALKING CASE..
ADVERTISING MYSELF IS NOW A CRIME.. TELL ME IN WHICH SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN A PROFFESSINAL CAN T ADVERTISE HIMSELF ON A FORUM LIKE NAIRALAND... PLEASE POST THE PROVE... I AM READY TO LEARN...

I AM SUPPOSE TO OVERLOOK YOUR COMMENT BUT I THINK PEOPLE CAN LEARN FROM IT...

EXPECTING YOUR PROOF OF ETHICS OF NOT DOING DIRECT ADVERTISEMENT OF BEING A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER...

You're waiting for work ethics to be preached to you before you know.......

Did you not study " Engineer in the society" in your institution and did your lecturer not tell you a bit about work ethics in the industry.......

bixton:



You're waiting for work ethics to be preached to you before you know.......

Did you not study " Engineer in the society" in your institution and did your lecturer not tell you a bit about work ethics in the industry.......

YOU FALL MY HAND bixton.. I LEAST EXPECT THIS FROM YOU... I SUPPOSE YOU ARE A CONTENDER.. GROW UP BROTHER.. EXPECTING PROOF WHERE IS WRITTEN IN "ENGINEERING AND SOCIETY".. ARGUE WITH FACTS... DONT ARGUE BLINDLY...

I AM A WELL TRAINED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER... YOU SHOULD KNOW WHEN I SAID I CAN DELIVER ANY MY WORKS IN 48HOURS... IF YOU WORK WITH ENGINEERING CONSULTANCY FIRM FOR YEARS.. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ME BETTER..

THE SAME MICHILINS PEOPLE THINK COULD NOT DELIVER HIS JOB.. LATER WHERE WAOOOED..

DEVELOP YOURSELVES BRO... WHEN YOU GOOD IN YOUR TRADE,, YOU CAN BOAST IT ANYWHERE..

A TRIAL WILL CONVINCE THEM...

Horlardorjah:



A quick one Sir,
Why don't we have signage boards(advertisement board) of engineering firms all around the streets or hung at the entrances of their firms detailing all they do
like you did here .what you see is just a name tag for description Sir!
Your works advertise you and the best way you can go about it here is to drop your watermarked previous works without saying much and peeps who needs it will definitely come to you.
I'm not in anyway against you Sir, just let us dignify this professions abit as per how they were back in the days.
I cum in peace ENGINEER

GROW UP BROTHER... THERE ARE MANY ENGINEERING FIRMS WITH SIGNAGE BOARD... COME TO ABUJA, I WILL TAKE YOU AROUND...
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE MY PREVIOUS WORKS... DROP YOUR EMAIL OR DM ME DIRECTLY... DONT CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE ETHICS YOU PROTECTING TELLING ME TO POST ENGINEERING WORKS PUBLICLY HERE... SO WHO IS GOING AGAINST THE ETHICS NOW...USE YOUR HEAD BRO...

STILL EXPECTING YOUR PROOF OF ETHICS...

I WILL REGARD YOU AS A BAD BELE...THE LAST TIME I WILL ANSWER IF YOU DONT PROVIDE THE PROOF..

micgray100:


YOU FALL MY HAND bixton.. I LEAST EXPECT THIS FROM YOU... I SUPPOSE YOU ARE A CONTENDER.. GROW UP BROTHER.. EXPECTING PROOF WHERE IS WRITTEN IN "ENGINEERING AND SOCIETY".. ARGUE WITH FACTS... DONT ARGUE BLINDLY...

I AM A WELL TRAINED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER

Is anyone arguing such with you?

At your leisure time try and ask any of your seniors in the industry out there and not on NL.......

bixton:



Is anyone arguing such with you?

At your leisure time try and ask any of your seniors in the industry out there and not on NL.......

STILL YET .. NO PROOF... I REST MY CASE O YOU TOO..

NOW I SEE WHY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM JUST ATTACK PEOPLE WITHOUT PROOF.. THE SAME WAY SOME ATTACKED N3XT AS A SCAMMER WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF... BAD BELE PLENTY HERE NO BE SMALL.. THAT IS WHY MANY PROFFESSIONALS I KNOW HERE DONT COMMENT ANYMORE.THEY JUST READ.. PLEASE LETS GROW UP SO THESE ELITES HERE CAN COME BACK...

michlins:
if his quote was to paint the house completely and you pay him,he owns whatever that's left including paints. If he quoted that he needs twenty buckets of paints and you paid and he brought them to site. Later, there's half tin left,na you get am.


Play it out like this, I can give you my price of doing a tank stand and then knowing that I can't buy extra materials in your location, I can buy few extra materials just in case there's need for it. I own them after the work.


But if I list materials you need and you pay for them, even the off cut isn't mine to take without you asking me to.


I hope you understand the two situations

So you now buy extra materials for your clients with your money abi...

Argument upon argument.

Hope the spirit of face me I face you haven't entered this thread?

micgray100:


STILL YET .. NO PROOF... I REST MY CASE O YOU TOO..

NOW I SEE WHY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM JUST ATTACK PEOPLE WITHOUT PROOF.. THE SAME WAY SOME ATTACKED N3XT AS A SCAMMER WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF... BAD BELE PLENTY HERE NO BE SMALL.. THAT IS WHY MANY PROFFESSIONALS I KNOW HERE DONT COMMENT ANYMORE.THEY JUST READ.. PLEASE LETS GROW UP SO THESE ELITES HERE CAN COME BACK...

Engr. Gbenga. MNSE. RCOREN. R28166..........


Let me just ponder why none of the respected, respectful and respectable professionals on this thread and even on their private threads have not done what you have done when they started or even now......

Maybe they are still in the 19th century or not as well trained as you claim to be..........

I hope you're well trained in knowledge of the difference between putting a title before and after a persons' name......

bobkezel:

So you now buy extra materials for your clients with your money abi...

read it again sir and understand the two scenerios I played out

micgray100:


STILL YET .. NO PROOF... I REST MY CASE O YOU TOO..

NOW I SEE WHY PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM JUST ATTACK PEOPLE WITHOUT PROOF.. THE SAME WAY SOME ATTACKED N3XT AS A SCAMMER WITHOUT A SINGLE PROOF... BAD BELE PLENTY HERE NO BE SMALL.. THAT IS WHY MANY PROFFESSIONALS I KNOW HERE DONT COMMENT ANYMORE.THEY JUST READ.. PLEASE LETS GROW UP SO THESE ELITES HERE CAN COME BACK...

My goal is not to look rich but to be rich.

Below is my biggest competition and where I’m channeling all my energies now. I’m doing something nicer than what strucutracasa delivered near me.

Na here we go dey wey I go finish this and jump on something bigger.

I’ve left the dead to bury their dead

Happy Weekend NL!

Badgers14:


I am on the fence on this one.

One of the points the client raised was, when he hired the guys that did the plastering, they gave him all the used bags of cement, so he is supposed to keep the empty buckets of paint.

This is one of the reasons I advise both contractors and client to iron things out, make sure they are on the same page and agree on terms before the job starts.

Interestingly, lots of people are for the clients tho. (But again most people on the group live outside Nigeria - not sure if it affected how they looked at the issue).

We of the naija contingent know that the streets are hot

michlins:
read it again sir and understand the two scenerios I played out

If I pay you for painting my house you paint finish wan carry my buckets....
Work done on site is different from work done in ur workshop.
Any remains of material used on the client's site is the client's.
After wiring a house you don't go with remaining wires, sockets etc.
The bricklayers don't go with the blocks remaining..
If you construct a head tank on my site, whatever is remaining is mine.

bobkezel:

If I pay you for painting my house you paint finish wan carry my buckets....
Work done on site is different from work done in ur workshop.
Any remains of material used on the client's site is the client's.
After wiring a house you don't go with remaining wires, sockets etc.
The bricklayers don't go with the blocks remaining..
If you construct a head tank on my site, whatever is remaining is mine.

sir, if I tell you I need #10 to do your tank, what you get is a standing tank like this one I just finished in Ogun State today.



If I tell you that you need XYZ materials to do your job and I bring them to your site, I will not go with anything outside my tools from your site. See the two scenerios oh

bobkezel:

If I pay you for painting my house you paint finish wan carry my buckets....
Work done on site is different from work done in ur workshop.
Any remains of material used on the client's site is the client's.
After wiring a house you don't go with remaining wires, sockets etc.
The bricklayers don't go with the blocks remaining..
If you construct a head tank on my site, whatever is remaining is mine.

Lol what if it’s a whole sum contract? Like you agreed to pay me 50k to finish this job... and I have left over materials you mean I can’t move them!?

This is different from me given you list of materials to use for the job.. in this case whatever that is left is yours

michlins:
sir, if I tell you I need #10 to do your tank, what you get is a standing tank like this one I just finished in Ogun State today.



If I tell you that you need XYZ materials to do your job and I bring them to your site, I will not go with anything outside my tools from your site. See the two scenerios oh

my point exactly

EgunMogaji2:


We of the naija contingent know that the streets are hot

Everyone eyes dey red..

My chairman on what's app group is threatening fire and brimstone.. he wants his empty bucket

Pls house what is d cost of fencing 2plots of land (100 by 50). Pls I will b so much glad if som1 can put me thru pls

Bungalow for sale at the rate of 15 millions
Naira... Location . ALAKUKO, it is on standard plot... For more details contact me on 08038174098 u can Whatsapp me with the same contact above... Israel investment and prosperity

[quote author=micgray100 post=102206009]
GROW UP BROTHER... THERE ARE MANY ENGINEERING FIRMS WITH SIGNAGE BOARD... COME TO ABUJA, I WILL TAKE YOU AROUND...
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE MY PREVIOUS WORKS... DROP YOUR EMAIL OR DM ME DIRECTLY... DONT CONTRADICT YOURSELF WITH THE ETHICS YOU PROTECTING TELLING ME TO POST ENGINEERING WORKS PUBLICLY HERE... SO WHO IS GOING AGAINST THE ETHICS NOW...USE YOUR HEAD BRO...

STILL EXPECTING YOUR PROOF OF ETHICS...

I WILL REGARD YOU AS A BAD BELE...THE LAST TIME I WILL ANSWER IF YOU DONT PROVIDE THE PROOF.. [@/quote]

And they added 48hrs delivery bla bla bla, only the desperate does that. If your are what you claimed to be, you will be too ashamed to post stuffs like that. It shows you not getting jobs baba mi.
They are advertising their affiliate aspects sir!
When I say post your jobs here, you should know it's either ongoing or previous jobs like @spyder and @next @rotech n the likes does without them shouting coren number infinity.

Open a thread to showcase your job in the Abujas and Londons that you have done and u need not stress to show me round Abuja to prove what is not, you gonna see influx of nairalanders coming to you.

@michlin showcased previous and ongoing jobs n we all can see how far he is now n still going.
Have you ever seen Spyder, next n some others solicit for jobs openly and kinda desperately like you did up there like you advertising ponmo abi toothpaste! They post projects, jobs without 48hrs desperate claim.

I will use my head better next time to pass through comments from self acclaimed n uashamed coren engineer like you
If you sure of yourself and have live projects, let's see them here and no one is coming to your dm for anything.
I cum in peace.

michlins:
@stanley000 you're everything I strive and work hard not to become. My clients are my everything. Big client or small client.

Someone begged in 2013 and in 2021 he's a landlord. What do you think he will become in 2023.


If you can't deliver for your client, don't berate or insulat him or her. All we need in life is an opportunity and someone gave you that opportunity and instead of you to make use of it, you dragged it through the mud with your ungratefulness.

In a country where minimum wage is #30,000, someone gave you #20,000 with begging and all you could do is insult him

How can I reach u Sir, I wan ask you something, my WhatsApp number is on my signature