sanpipita:


Netanyahu's problems been more domestic, only Palestine conflict seems to give him some edge but that doesn't to work this time, I will be glad to see him good and even prosecuted

Same here

benalvino2:

Continue crying, if you are lucky someone will give you a lollipop.

Define crying manchild you obviously are the one crying because of a nothing burger I said no biggie, you insist it's a big deal continue hyperventilating! Okay so I'll say this stop disliking my curiosity about your like! see? I just did it again, now go cook up a sermon about how I am crying about your discomfiture I don't care besides if you say I have no cause to wonder about a like then what gives you cause to complain about my curiosity? Because all you've been doing since has been whinning and whinging shamelessly! who's worse? The curious or the complainer?

Ah, I see... A stereo type is good except its coming from a white man.
That's for admitting for the second time that you are wired to think i will argue with you no matter what and even if I didn't argue with you: I argue with you. No matter what the argument is. In other words, what I say does not matter, you will argue anyway. I usually say this about budaatum that if I say the sky is blue he will say the sky is black at night but it seems you are even worse. Sometimes I say I agree with the other side.
All your science is okay and data till it is a white man applying the same science and data then it becomes racism.

Now this is just daft, dumb non correlated reasoning but can anyone expect better from you? I talk about predicting your individual opinion as an individual based on the political ideology you espouse and by some convoluted reasoning of yours you call it a stereotype and equate to racism which is discrimination against a group based on skin colour, stereotype of you and who else oga? Abi your version of stereotype is now against a singular individual? discrimination like racism is always negative so what is the negativity in my assuming you will take the conservative stand point? It is just a difference in opinions so where is the discrimination against you? I take my previous assessment of you back, you're no different from all the other wacko conservatives here, you're just more verbose! Imagine correlating predicting your response with racism? so how do you label my discrimination against you then? Political philosophism? political ideologism? Or is it political partyism? you take your pick or take all picks so I can fine tune my discrimination accordingly!

You don't get it don't you? I brought out a snippet from literature you presented, you said it was my excerpt and bring alternative argument to an argument that is already in the literature from the literature. Hmmm. Seems like you are arguing with yourself there.

Oh kip kwayet! You can never wriggle out of this one amateur artful dodger! Lemme splice things up a little, ''your excerpt'', ''our excerpt'', ''their excerpt'', ''the devil's excerpt'', ''buhari's excerpt'' as long as excerpt is there it means I know it's origin chikena! You claimed with so much confidence I didn't know ''your snippet'' was from the article so I was arguing against it! Go back to school and relearn your English as you're not really as sound as you thought you were! now go cook up some other inane rationalisation about how I didn't know that was from the article! First you don't read but you come back claiming that was me not you next you claim on account of that I didn't know where you extracted the nonsense comment from despite my calling it an excerpt. Lols

Blablabla. Cry if you may. I called you out because you keep saying excerpt from me and excerpt from the article after you realise its from the article. You are acting like you knew all along. You keep trying to deceive when you could just leave it. It is what it is. He got me, let's move on. All this exchange would have stopped and you don't need to say "he got me" but trying to act like you knew all along when you don't is what is dragging this

Oga your parents need a refund on your school fees wallahi! excerpt is self explanatory, it must come from a body of text, there was only one body of text involved so yes I knew from the very damn beginning dolapo! My choice of word in excerpt says so! And yes I most definitely got you! No mistake about that that claim would have been irrelevant on a normal day in a normal discussion but you were the first to come out and boldly jump the gun with a totally clueless claim that I didn't know the excerpt was from the article and as such you set a trap and caught your shadow so benalvino2 I know there is no price attached but you never got me, I totally owned you cry me a lagoon I don't care, who got who seems to be a very big deal to you so I will overemphasise this I GOT YOU HANDS DOWN! next time stick to issues not infantile games

But I still didn't read it and not interested. You still gonna argue about that? For the 3rd or 4th time I am saying I didn't read it but the Instinct is kicking in. You want to argue.

At this stage I don't give a flying fuuk if you wrote a dissertation on it, that ship has sailed and we are down to infantile arguments about how absofuckinglutely shitty your English comprehension is and that is exactly what we are currently about

Or you could have asked what is the point. Don't argue with someone if you don't know the point they are making. First understand their point, determine whether it is correct or wrong then counter argue.



I can quote anything I want.

oh but I asked what the point was, I did that using a different combination of English words which true to character you didn't comprehend which brings us back to your shitty English comprehension!

GalaticHorde:
were the thirty something republican benghazi inquiries political? Did the democrats stop them? Did Hillary Clinton refuse to testify again and again? Is benghazi worse than the invasion of the capitol? Are you a RINO? So much so you're unaware of the republican playbook? Or perhaps are you just a run of the mill regular good 'ol hypocrite who does not like being metted out what they met to others?

Benghazi. There was nothing to see?
Pro Benghazi sentiments the Obama see nothing no crime here.
Lets stick to Benghazi. What is in the public domain and what you know/heard or read about .
What really happened in Benghazi according to you?Id prefer a time based timeline incremental by the hour

GalaticHorde:

Define crying manchild you obviously are the one crying because of a nothing burger I said no biggie, you insist it's a big deal continue hyperventilating! Okay so I'll say this stop disliking my curiosity about your like! see? I just did it again, now go cook up a sermon about how I am crying about your discomfiture I don't care besides if you say I have no cause to wonder about a like then what gives you cause to complain about my curiosity? Because all you've been doing since has been whinning and whinging shamelessly! who's worse? The curious or the complainer?


Now this is just daft, dumb non correlated reasoning but can anyone expect better from you? I talk about predicting your individual opinion as an individual based on the political ideology you espouse and by some convoluted reasoning of yours you call it a stereotype and equate to racism which is discrimination against a group based on skin colour, stereotype of you and who else oga? Abi your version of stereotype is now against a singular individual? discrimination like racism is always negative so what is the negativity in my assuming you will take the conservative stand point? It is just a difference in opinions so where is the discrimination against you? I take my previous assessment of you back, you're no different from all the other wacko conservatives here, you're just more verbose! Imagine correlating predicting your response with racism? so how do you label my discrimination against you then? Political philosophism? political ideologism? Or is it political partyism? you take your pick or take all picks so I can fine tune my discrimination accordingly!


Oh kip kwayet! You can never wriggle out of this one amateur artful dodger! Lemme splice things up a little, ''your excerpt'', ''our excerpt'', ''their excerpt'', ''the devil's excerpt'', ''buhari's excerpt'' as long as excerpt is there it means I know it's origin chikena! You claimed with so much confidence I didn't know ''your snippet'' was from the article so I was arguing against it! Go back to school and relearn your English as you're not really as sound as you thought you were! now go cook up some other inane rationalisation about how I didn't know that was from the article! First you don't read but you come back claiming that was me not you next you claim on account of that I didn't know where you extracted the nonsense comment from despite my calling it an excerpt. Lols


Oga your parents need a refund on your school fees wallahi! excerpt is self explanatory, it must come from a body of text, there was only one body of text involved so yes I knew from the very damn beginning dolapo! My choice of word in excerpt says so! And yes I most definitely got you! No mistake about that that claim would have been irrelevant on a normal day in a normal discussion but you were the first to come out and boldly jump the gun with a totally clueless claim that I didn't know the excerpt was from the article and as such you set a trap and caught your shadow so benalvino2 I know there is no price attached but you never got me, I totally owned you cry me a lagoon I don't care, who got who seems to be a very big deal to you so I will overemphasise this I GOT YOU HANDS DOWN! next time stick to issues not infantile games



At this stage I don't give a flying fuuk if you wrote a dissertation on it, that ship has sailed and we are down to infantile arguments about how absofuckinglutely shitty your English comprehension is and that is exactly what we are currently about

oh but I asked what the point was, I did that using a different combination of English words which true to character you didn't comprehend which brings us back to your shitty English comprehension!

Continue studying your critical race theory so everything will be racist for you.

basilico:


Benghazi. There was nothing to see?
Pro Benghazi sentiments the Obama see nothing no crime here.
Lets stick to Benghazi. What is in the public domain and what you know/heard or read about .
What really happened in Benghazi according to you?Id prefer a time based timeline incremental by the hour

I'd like to here this

AmazonTopaz:
I won't be surprised.
Good thing his efforts the last time went to waste and backfired on him since his political future is still uncertain.


But Bennett is no different from Netanyahu when it comes to Palestine so there will be no different approach to Palestine but the tweet below is the only difference between them because of Lapid.

Just the way issues of Russia and now China is bi-partisan in America, so also is the Palestinian issue in Israel politics.

The more you dabble into issues like this, the more stupid and shollow you appear. But I know your dabbling here is a cover for your true trade: vulva urge of stimulation. And you're just trying to switch to another different level of clientele with all this your scam comments.

Once again go back to the ashawo beer parlour thread you came from, that's your true nature.

GhostWisperer:
Just the way issues of Russia and now China is bi-partisan in America, so also is the Palestinian issue in Israel politics.

The more you dabble into issues like this, the more stupid and shollow you appear. But I know your dabbling here is a cover for your true trade: vulva urge of stimulation. And you're just trying to switch to another different level of clientele with all this your scam comments.

Once again go back to the ashawo beer parlour thread you came from, that's your true nature.

Bennet will not last a year. His coalition has some group that thinks the Joos should not be in Israel.
Like the Trump takedown, Bennet is sleeping with his enemy to rise to political eminence.
A snake can only bare its fangs for so long.
Bennet will not last long, his deal is two year PM . I dont see him lasting two years.
Well be back in two years.

Oh I miss Budatuum.
One among the sane people whose views diverge from mine but we get along.

basilico:


Benghazi. There was nothing to see?
Pro Benghazi sentiments the Obama see nothing no crime here.
Lets stick to Benghazi. What is in the public domain and what you know/heard or read about .
What really happened in Benghazi according to you?Id prefer a time based timeline incremental by the hour

this is not about benghazi so no I won't indulge you on that, this is about double standards, my point is simple, by the republican playbook multiple congressional inquiries are allowed into any matter of import but here they are raging against a single enquiry

basilico:


What do you base they will find nothing in the audit?

Because they found nothing 3 times when the actual auditors were employed to audit the elections. This one is a Trump appointed audit by a security firm ran by a Trump acolyte.

Any evidence that the election in Maricopa was above board? From the protagonists.
They are only using the courts to derail the start, continuation and conclusion of the ordered audit.

Yes three other audits certified that the election was way above board.
The first audit was done immediately after the January 3 elections. It was carried out by a multiparty audit board that conducted a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. They found nothing.


The second audit was done January 27. It was approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to perform a multi-layered forensic audit of the tabulation equipment.
See the report here - https://maricopacountyaz.medium.com/auditing-elections-equipment-in-maricopa-county-3955445c1712


An audit that does not have the participation of the election board, the county officials, the opposition party, independent observers or the press. Is that one an audit?

The antagonists have laid some grounds , which a judge deemed reasonable to warrant a full audit.

I thought you guys do not regard court cases. You lost over 60 court cases and you guys dismissed it all as unreasonable. Now that one judge permitted the a partisan audit, you guys now deem the courts reasonable.

benalvino2:


He does not attack Palestine, he defend Israel from them.
Yes you are right, two wrongs can exist, but you are making it look as if Israel just go about attacking Palestine for no reason.

So what has Israel done you say is wrong? Most times you people will say they stole land from Palestinians.

Oh yeah he just wants to defend Israel

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/28/hldterrorising-a-generation-israelarrestingpalestinianchildren

benalvino2:


Continue studying your critical race theory so everything will be racist for you.

I want to be infantile with you so let's play your game together, benalvino2 your English comprehension is absofuckinglutely shitty it makes the sphinx at giza cringe and meowl like a baby pussy

Out of current topic, see how Obama bowed to Saudi king. Unlike Trump who made a sort of triumphant entry into Riyadh , given all respect befitting a strong leader.

Obama bowing to Saudi king.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2xYh9mfaI


Trump arrives in Riyadh.Treated with respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u4-T-I9ikI


Obama arrives in China. He exits from the butt of Air Force One, no red carpet .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o3y0REvPlc

Trump arrives in China.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YQNel6Pujg

Im in provocation mood.You can see how mSM comments negatively about Trump on both occasions.

basilico:
Oh I miss Budatuum.
One among the sane people whose views diverge from mine but we get along.

we can get along too as long as you refrain from insults or shading as I don't take kindly to those

basilico:
Out of current topic, see how Obama bowed to Saudi king. Unlike Trump who made a sort of triumphant entry into Riyadh , given all respect befitting a strong leader.

Obama bowing to Saudi king.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2xYh9mfaI


Trump arrives in Riyadh.Treated with respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u4-T-I9ikI


Obama arrives in China. He exits from the butt of Air Force One, no red carpet .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o3y0REvPlc

Trump arrives in China.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YQNel6Pujg

Im in provocation mood.You can see how mSM comments negatively about Trump on both occasions.

One question

between the one that bowed and the one that didn't bow.

which one sold out an American To a Saudi prince?

wirinet:

Because they found nothing 3 times when the actual auditors were employed to audit the elections. This one is a Trump appointed audit by a security firm ran by a Trump acolyte.


Yes three other audits certified that the election was way above board.
The first audit was done immediately after the January 3 elections. It was carried out by a multiparty audit board that conducted a hand count of ballots from a sample of randomly selected voting precincts and compare them with the results from voting machines. They found nothing.


The second audit was done January 27. It was approved by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors to perform a multi-layered forensic audit of the tabulation equipment.
See the report here - https://maricopacountyaz.medium.com/auditing-elections-equipment-in-maricopa-county-3955445c1712


An audit that does not have the participation of the election board, the county officials, the opposition party, independent observers or the press. Is that one an audit?



I thought you guys do not regard court cases. You lost over 60 court cases and you guys dismissed it all as unreasonable. Now that one judge permitted the a partisan audit, you guys now deem the courts reasonable.

How many cases went to discovery?
The same Board of Elections doing everything to stop the audit. They dont want to be forensically audited. Yet a judge orders a full forensic audit.because a sample audit shows some irregularities.
All parties have been invited to observe the audit.
When being audited.by a lawful order it means there are matters of concern. You can also volunteer. Boycotting the audit only adds credence to improper conduct before, during and after the selection ( election).
They been to court, they refuse to give admin password, they refuse to let the audit take place where the ballots should be stored for 22 months, they refuse to appear before the AZ senate. They have nuthin to hide?

Is the sky blue where you do your gig?

GalaticHorde:
I want to be infantile with you so let's play your game together, benalvino2 your English comprehension is absofuckinglutely shitty it makes the sphinx at giza cringe and meowl like a baby pussy

Don't we all have comprehension problem? As long as I don't agree with you there has to be comprehension problem. But I decided not to go back and forth because you already prove my test to be a success. No matter what I said you are programmed to disagree with it.

Mission accomplished. If you wanna get infantile that's your business. You can play alone.

GalaticHorde:
we can get along too as long as you refrain from insults or shading as I don't take kindly to those

I hope you can keep this up. Though you are not throwing insults, I can see frustration. Don't take this forum serious. We hardly agree on anything. By now we all should be used to that and laugh instead of throwing insults.

Timiofak:


One question

between the one that bowed and the one that didn't bow.

which one sold out an American To a Saudi prince?

The one (Trump) that brokered a peace deal between the Saudis and Israel plus other Arab nations, allowed direct Israel overflights over their territory and sold billions of dollars of arms to Saudis.And killed the chief terrorist Iranian Solemani on Iraq soil.
Or the one {Obama} that bowed to Shia Iran the main opponent of Sunni Arabs, who are responsible for IEDs killing 600 Americans, gave them Iranians a pathway to the A bomb, armed the Sunni insurgents in the Levant, screwed up Syria,, Libya and Egypt (Morsi) and
called ISIS a JV team.

Facts are not on your side. Who looks like the Manchurian candidate here?

benalvino2:


Don't we all have comprehension problem? As long as I don't agree with you there has to be comprehension problem. But I decided not to go back and forth because you already prove my test to be a success. No matter what I said you are programmed to disagree with it.

Mission accomplished. If you wanna get infantile that's your business. You can play alone.

true we all have comprehension problems from time to time as nobody is perfect but you are the one here who denies his lack of comprehension, doubles down, triples down! attempts to convolute basic logic and flips simple issues on their head just so that you can claim you were not owned as true to your infantile disposition that seems to be a very big deal to you, owning and being owned! Not like i really cared you made a mistake in comprehension until you doubled down on your error and declared yourself savvy!

So Mr dolapo we must play this game together and you must go back to school until you learn to stick to issues if interested in a conversation or indicate your lack of interest if not, not spamming the thread with your useless, convoluted reasoning.

GalaticHorde:
true we all have comprehension problems from time to time as nobody is perfect but you are the one here who denies his lack of comprehension, doubles down, triples down! attempts to convolute basic logic and flips simple issues on their head just so that you can claim you were not owned as true to your infantile disposition that seems to be a very big deal to you, owning and being owned! Not like i really cared you made a mistake in comprehension until you doubled down on your error and declared yourself savvy!

So Mr dolapo we must play this game together and you must go back to school until you learn to stick to issues if interested in a conversation or indicate your lack of interest if not, not spamming the thread with your useless, convoluted reasoning.

Frustration is mounting. Lol
Perhaps all this would have been avoided if you are a Little open minded.

Lmao, what did you own? I can't even see how are still talking when you admit here that you have this Instinct to argue no matter what. That's the test I made for you, you fell for it and admitted to it. Mission accomplished

These church merchants just died in a plane crash while going to a Qanon convention. They are going straight to hell i'm afraid.

basilico:
Out of current topic, see how Obama bowed to Saudi king. Unlike Trump who made a sort of triumphant entry into Riyadh , given all respect befitting a strong leader.

Obama bowing to Saudi king.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2xYh9mfaI


Trump arrives in Riyadh.Treated with respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u4-T-I9ikI


Obama arrives in China. He exits from the butt of Air Force One, no red carpet .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o3y0REvPlc

Trump arrives in China.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YQNel6Pujg

Im in provocation mood.You can see how mSM comments negatively about Trump on both occasions.

democrats are an embarrassment to American history and might. These disgraceful snowflakes have the emotional leaning of a wet pussy and intelligence of a goat.

They are always leftists, bereft of history, science, culture and traditions. Majority of them are shaped by third world inferiority mindset as exemplified by Obama.

Back here in NIGERIA, leftists are often people who are suffering low self esteem, low academic sojourn and if they are women, they are often loose and wasted , thoroughly sucked out of their life juice.

Still on Obama . Why the leftist media treated him as the messiah.


ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, National Security Adviser.
CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.
ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney
ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan,Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary
ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood
CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.





His Ben Rhodes created an echo chamber. He would come up with the narrative and all media would echo it. Above is his appointments.

We created an echo chamber,” Rhodes said, when asked about arms-control experts that appeared at think tanks and were then used as sources for hundreds of reporters – whom the article described as “clueless.”

Of those experts, Rhodes said: “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”

According to the article, Rhodes used groups like The Iran Project to help promote the nuclear deal, but also pushed back on the notion that they misled anybody


A map of the poisonous cabal Obama created

Obrigardo:
These church merchants just died in a plane crash while going to a Qanon convention. They are going straight to hell i'm afraid.

Why you are beneath humanity.
Celebrating when Trump supporters are in an accident and you happy they did not survive.

basilico:


The one (Trump) that brokered a peace deal between the Saudis and Israel plus other Arab nations, allowed direct Israel overflights over their territory and sold billions of dollars of arms to Saudis.And killed the chief terrorist Iranian Solemani on Iraq soil.
Or the one {Obama} that bowed to Shia Iran the main opponent of Sunni Arabs, who are responsible for IEDs killing 600 Americans, gave them Iranians a pathway to the A bomb, armed the Sunni insurgents in the Levant, screwed up Syria,, Libya and Egypt (Morsi) and
called ISIS a JV team.

Facts are not on your side. Who looks like the Manchurian candidate here?

Facts are not on my side

Says a man boldly claiming he there is peace in the middle east

you are delusional.

basilico:


Why you are beneath humanity.
Celebrating when Trump supporters are in an accident and you happy they did not survive.

Beneath humanity is seeing white terrorism in its face and still go ahead to defend it, just like you puke. they are better dead, if u are going to a qanon event.

GhostWisperer:
democrats are an embarrassment to American history and might. These disgraceful snowflakes have the emotional leaning of a wet pussy and intelligence of a goat.

They are always leftists, bereft of history, science, culture and traditions. Majority of them are shaped by third world inferiority mindset as exemplified by Obama.

Back here in NIGERIA, leftists are often people who are suffering low self esteem, low academic sojourn and if they are women, they are often loose and wasted , thoroughly sucked out of their life juice.

If you mean lefty asin liberals? I am sorry for you

Go back to any history book, and see the cause of liberals all over the world and there effect on the present word and see the stances of conservatives through the history of time

Basically anyone liberal is someone looking for a progressive change, a person that says no this can't continue. Liberals were the ones that fought for a minimum wage, leave it to the capitalists/conservatives and they won't mind paying you $2 per hour, liberals fought for civil rights for all, liberals fought for public education, liberals fought for child labour laws, anti-lynching laws, equal pay for minorities, equal pay for women, over time pay, Medicare, Medicaid, unions e.t.c

but yeah go on liberals are an aberration.

Timiofak:


Facts are not on my side

Says a man boldly claiming he there is peace in the middle east

you are delusional.

Did I say there is peace. Peace deals between Israel and a couple of nations were signed by someone with enough foresight to see that foreign solutions by know it all's have not worked for decades...73 years. Tried another approach and the results are evident. El Al can fly to UAE for a start.El Al can overfly Saudi airspace ... They.blocked that I think yester.
The great hope Obama could not conjure up a scenario.

I know critiquing Obama is a no go zone for leftist inclined minds.
The great hope who is a through and through leftist never achieved a single thing beneficial to N200 data bundles peasants wallowing in poverty in Umudike. Or did he?
What did that race baiter do to advance humanity and especially black apart from tweeting to liberal applause and claiming some thug woulda looked like his son if he had one?

Timiofak:


If you mean lefty asin liberals? I am sorry for you

Go back to any history book, and see the cause of liberals all over the world and there effect on the present word and see the stances of conservatives through the history of time

Basically anyone liberal is someone looking for a progressive change, a person that says no this can't continue. Liberals were the ones that fought for a minimum wage, leave it to the capitalists/conservatives and they won't mind paying you $2 per hour, liberals fought for civil rights for all, liberals fought for public education, liberals fought for child labour laws, anti-lynching laws, equal pay for minorities, equal pay for women, over time pay, Medicare, Medicaid, unions e.t.c

but yeah go on liberals are an aberration.

all capitalists are conservatives? Why does change has to be liberals alone? Lolz.

Shift the pendulum....

Timiofak:


If you mean lefty asin liberals? I am sorry for you

Go back to any history book, and see the cause of liberals all over the world and there effect on the present word and see the stances of conservatives through the history of time

Basically anyone liberal is someone looking for a progressive change, a person that says no this can't continue. Liberals were the ones that fought for a minimum wage, leave it to the capitalists/conservatives and they won't mind paying you $2 per hour, liberals fought for civil rights for all, liberals fought for public education, liberals fought for child labour laws, anti-lynching laws, equal pay for minorities, equal pay for women, over time pay, Medicare, Medicaid, unions e.t.c

but yeah go on liberals are an aberration.

Why do liberals hate family cohesiveness. Family unity?

GhostWisperer:
all capitalists are conservatives? Why does change has to be liberals alone? Lolz.

Shift the pendulum....

Lmao, I put a slash. And no not all capitalists are conservatives but all conservatives are capitalists that hate government over sight/unions

mention the changes ”conservatives” have fought for from 1776

hope you know the meaning of conservatism sha?