MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible book of Genesis 1:28

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

The colored says "Be fruitful and become many" now one of my Bible students asked the question:
"if truly God instructed us to bear Children, how come some servants of God in Bible times never had children?"


So let's deliberate on this as the first topic of our Bible study!

I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, once again you are all welcome!

Lol. Majamaja, Bible Study abi Bible thumping?

You are welcome Sir!
Do you have any question?
Please note:

You don't need to mention the name of your church but if you feel like questioning the belief of any religious group then it will be appropriate to PRESENT your church so that everyone can SEE how things supposed to be done better!
May you have PEACE!

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Lol. Majamaja, Bible Study abi Bible thumping?

MaxInDHouse:
You are welcome Sir!
Do you have any question?

You do remember that you are an hypocrite, right? Anyway, that's not the question. Here's the question below.

Would you like to be born again and free from sin?

The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

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You do remember that you are an hypocrite, right? Anyway, that's not the question. Here's the question below.
Would you like to be born again and free from sin?

I am laughing in JW's paradise's language

May peace,joy and laughter never leave your home!

MightySparrow:
I am laughing in JW's paradise language

So far so good, no constructive or edifying questions on the thread, just trolls…

Sad. Next phase would be questions that’ll lead to fruitless time wasting arguments.

The other time i opened a thread addressed to only JWs, so many commentators flow in to start arguing but since i told them no JW will entertain any questions on that particular thread they all grew annoyed with rage and after displaying their rage they left.

Dear brothers and sisters,
Though the GB has ordered us not to engage Apostates due to the way these despicable elements always argue fruitlessly, their intention is to make the audience go astray not to direct whoever listens to them to a specific profitable end.
Though before my baptism as a witness i often had certain doubts regarding the directives from this body, but what suppressed the doubt is the fact that there is no other group that's meeting up with my expectations as per making peace without the use of force, weapons nor casualties.
In the army our goal to make peace largely depends on how far we're able to force the opposition to surrender (drop their weapons) so when i first hard of "soldiers of Christ" i was amazed because Jesus never used force in achieving his goal as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so i kept wondering "where are these soldiers and what type of weapons are they using to appease their adversaries to surrender? undecided
As a Muslim i always see Christianity as groups of idiots who don't know what they're doing, but when i came in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses i was deeply touched by the way they catch and disarm their enemies, so asked myself "could this be the real soldiers of Christ?" because they will never raise a weapon yet they're conquering millions from different races and tongues under the heavens, and not only that but making their captives fellow soldiers of PEACE.
So my aim is to find a better performing group of so called Christians who can at least achieve 20% of what this group has done so far. But all i see is critics claiming Christians without any specific motive of achieving PEACE.
The Apostates are former members of this group who are bent on discrediting the GB with the aim of making their peace loving followers turn away from following them. OK if one is saying the members following them should disperse please to what other group and for what purpose? smiley
So i'm using this medium to say that i for one am now convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that whatever this GB says is coming from the Prince of Peace himself. They said Apostates are useless and hopeless but then i doubted that idea, now let any Apostate direct, point, show, say, mention any other better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES otherwise.
Let us shun them completely just as the GB has ordered.
See you when all workers of iniquity are gone for good!

You brother Maximus!

So i know how to handle people who only feel like arguing fruitlessly when serious issues are at hand.

I believe there is no one having anything tangible to ask for the moment!

OkCornel:

So far so good, no constructive or edifying questions on the thread, just trolls…

Sad. Next phase would be questions that’ll lead to fruitless time wasting arguments.

MaxInDHouse:
May peace,joy and laughter never leave your home!

Amen, in my language!

MaxInDHouse:
The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

The point is, does the TERM Born Again has different meanings?

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

This is so sweet, are ALL believers not BORN OF WATER and Spirit?

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

Born again is the regenerated or rebirth that ANYONE who accepts Christ will experience as John 1:12-13 put it .

12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLT

12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT

Now, the question is, do you exercise faith in him?

Then if this is your understanding of being born again then i'm outstandingly born again because i am a beleiver!

Emusan:

are ALL believers not BORN OF WATER and Spirit?

MaxInDHouse:
On this religious section it has been noticed that most commentators do claim Christians apart from few Atheists, Agnostics and Muslims.
Each person has been expressing himself/herself regarding their resolve about Religion.
But Jehovah's Witnesses have formed an organization of like minded worshipers from different parts of the earth, race, skin colour, class, educational background, status and so on. This has help to bring us all under the same Master, Lord and King so that wherever we find anyone who subscribe to our teachings we can be rest assured that the same line of thought governs us as one family. John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10

So if you'll like to study the Bible with us you are welcome, let's see how God's promise of long ago regarding one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers has become a reality in our own generation! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Please the thread is open to all, but let us keep our FAITH strong and back it up with God's word in order to SEE how it's benefitting those living by it's standard.

You don't need to mention the name of your church but if you feel like questioning the belief of any religious group then it will be appropriate to PRESENT your church so that everyone can SEE how things supposed to be done better!

I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, once again you are welcome!

I have a question for you.

Who is Jesus Christ to you , is he an archangel or Not?

If not for inherited sin i wouldn't have had any business with a Jewish man from Nazareth.
But because i was born, bread and brought up in sin i needed a saviour to redeem me from sin.
That man is Jesus of Nazareth.
So to me Jesus Christ is my Master, Lord and King!

enilove:

I have a question for you.
Who is Jesus Christ to you , is he an archangel or Not?

MaxInDHouse:
If not for inherited sin i wouldn't have had any business with a Jewish man from Nazareth.
But because i was born, bread and brought up in sin i needed a saviour to redeem me from sin.
That man is Jesus of Nazareth.
So to me Jesus Christ is my Master, Lord and King!

But 'Jehovah witness' believe that Jesus is an archangel .
Why is your believe different from theirs?

Whatever you here me tell you about Jesus is exactly the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's further learning that you're demanding not how JWs view Jesus presently.
He was ONCE
©the first angel God created.
©the chief of all angels.
©a baby in the womb of a virgin.
©a smart teenager.
©a carpenter.
©Jewish religious teacher.
©wise Counselor.
©a God in human flesh.
©a dying man on the torture stake.
©a dead man buried among the rich.
©a resurrected spirit being.
©a spiritual lamb before God in heaven.
©sitted at God's right hand side in heaven.

But today he is now a crowd Prince and King ruling God's organization both in heaven and on earth!
We are declaring his Kingdom until he comes to destroy all enemies of his righteous rule on planet earth.
So going down the memory lane Jesus WAS all the mentioned, therefore if you meet a JW who told you Jesus WAS a "dying man on the torture stake" or "God in human flesh" it doesn't mean he is still in that same position now because God has given him the highest authority both in heaven and on earth so apart from God his father Jesus is above all! 1Corinthians 15:20-28
May you have PEACE!

enilove:

But 'Jehovah witness' believe that Jesus is an archangel .
Why is your believe different from theirs?

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you here me tell you about Jesus is exactly the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's further learning that you're demanding not how JWs view Jesus presently.
He was ONCE
©the first angel God created.
©the chief of all angels.
©a baby in the womb of a virgin.
©a smart teenager.
©a carpenter.
©Jewish religious teacher.
©wise Counselor.
©a God in human flesh.
©a dying man on the torture stake.
©a dead man buried among the rich.
©a resurrected spirit being.
©a spiritual lamb before God in heaven.
©sitted at God's right hand side in heaven.

But today he is now a crowd Prince and King ruling God's organization both in heaven and on earth!
We are declaring his Kingdom until he comes to destroy all enemies of his righteous rule on planet earth.
So going doing the memory lane Jesus WAS all the mentioned, therefore if you meet a JW who told you Jesus WAS a "dying man on the torture stake" or "God in human flesh" it doesn't mean he is still in that same position now because God has given him the highest authority both in heaven and on earth so apart from God his father Jesus is above all! 1Corinthians 15:20-28
May you have PEACE!

Are you saying Jesus was an angel before but no longer an angel?

enilove:


Are you saying Jesus was an angel before but no longer an angel?

The Hebrew 'mal·ʼakhʹ and the Greek 'agʹge·los' that was translated to Angel in English means Messenger of God
So, any spirit sons of God that are his Messengers are called ANGEL.

"Do you think that Jesus is a “messenger of God”? (Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

MaxInDHouse:
The other time i opened a thread addressed to only JWs, so many commentators flow in to start arguing but since i told them no JW will entertain any questions on that particular thread they all grew annoyed with rage and after displaying their rage they left.



So i know how to handle people who only feel like arguing fruitlessly when serious issues are at hand.

I believe there is no one having anything tangible to ask for the moment!

Hahahahehehe, studying Bible or enforcement of JWs' doctrine? Who are these apostates?

enilove:


But 'Jehovah witness' believe that Jesus is an archangel .
Why is your believe different from theirs?

Is he Catholic's archangel Uriel?

haddeylium:


The Hebrew 'mal·ʼakhʹ and the Greek 'agʹge·los' that was translated to Angel in English means Messenger of God
So, any spirit sons of God that are his Messengers are called ANGEL.

"Do you think that Jesus is a “messenger of God”? (Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

Does the word ''angel '' exists in the Hebrew and Greek languages or not ?

Where did you get the information that ALL spirit sons of God that are messengers are ALL angels ?

Jesus was a messenger of God , the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God and OUR CREATOR .

enilove:


Does the word ''angel '' exists in the Hebrew and Greek languages or not ?

Yes!
They exist as mal·ʼakhʹ(Hebrew) and agʹge·los(Greek) which means Messenger

Where did you get the information that ALL spirit sons of God that are messengers are ALL angels ?
Jesus was a messenger of God, the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God and OUR CREATOR .

This is a common knowledge but looks like a new knowledge to you. You can research it .
Angel means Messengers plainly
Bolded, You saying Jesus served as God's Angel (Messenger)?(Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

Emusan:

The point is, does the TERM Born Again has different meanings?
This is so sweet, are ALL believers not BORN OF WATER and Spirit?
Born again is the regenerated or rebirth that ANYONE who accepts Christ will experience as John 1:12-13 put it .
12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. NLT
12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT
Now, the question is, do you exercise faith in him?

Those who receive the “new birth” from God have their inheritance in the spiritual heavens(1Peter 1:3,4) since they cannot take their fleshly bodies to heaven(1Corinthians 15:50), they will need to be transformed to become spirit beings(John 3:6) & I strongly believe that those who have this inheritance will number a total of 144,000. Revelation 7:1-3, 14:1-5
The question is, will those whom Jesus said would have their inheritance on earth, need to be born again? Matthew 5:5
If yes, of what use will it be since Revelation 21:3 says that it is mankind(flesh and blood) that will inherit the blessings listed in Revelation 21:4?

enilove:

Does the word ''angel '' exists in the Hebrew and Greek languages or not ?
Where did you get the information that ALL spirit sons of God that are messengers are ALL angels ?Jesus was a messenger of God , the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God and OUR CREATOR .

And the highlighted is found where in the Scriptures? If Jesus is the firstborn of God’s creation, how does it make him the Creator? Colossians 1:15-16
Just listen to yourself! How can he be both the messenger of God and the Creator?

DappaD:


And the highlighted is found where in the Scriptures? If Jesus is the firstborn of God’s creation, how does it make him the Creator? Colossians 1:15-16
Just listen to yourself! How can he be both the messenger of God and the Creator?

You gave Col.1:15-16 as evidence that Jesus Christ is the firstborn of God's creation , good and correct .
What about the succeeding verses which told you that Jesus Christ created all things ?

Colossians 1:15-17 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Since humans are creations of God , it means humans are among ALL THINGS CREATED by Jesus Christ.

And a Creator is known as God. This makes Jesus Christ a God .

John 1:1-3 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus was in the beginning with God and he created all things by the instructions from God the Father.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This means two Heavenly powers working together as one were responsible for our Creation.

THE ONE WHO SAID '' LET US '' IS GOD THE FATHER GIVING INSTRUCTION TO GOD THE SON IN THE ACCOUNT OF OUR CREATION IN THE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE.

haddeylium:

Yes!
They exist as mal·ʼakhʹ(Hebrew) and agʹge·los(Greek) which means Messenger


This is a common knowledge but looks like a new knowledge to you. You can research it .
Angel means Messengers plainly
Bolded, You saying Jesus served as God's Angel (Messenger)?(Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

If there are Hebrews and Greek words for angels , you think the translator of the Bible could not differentiate between those words ?

Regarding your second point on the fact that angels are messengers of God.

I know angels are messengers of God just as human beings are messengers of God if called by God to deliver God's messages.

But you claimed that only Angels are messengers of God as long as the spirit is concerned.
There is need to support you claim with the Bible .
Here I am not talking about any common knowledge which can be discovered to be false.Just like the time it was a common knowledge that the earth was flat.

The Book of Isaiah makes us to know that Jesus is God's Son assigned to carryout the works of redemption for mankind.

An earthly father can have messengers for his works and at the same time a son for assignments as messenger .
It will be wrong to say that messengers or slaves are the only ones that can deliver messages for the father.

enilove:

You gave Col.1:15-16 as evidence that Jesus Christ is the firstborn of God's creation , good and correct .
What about the succeeding verses which told you that Jesus Christ created all things ?
Colossians 1:15-17 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Since humans are creations of God , it means humans are among ALL THINGS CREATED by Jesus Christ.
And a Creator is known as God. This makes Jesus Christ a God .

A much better translation of Colossians 1:17 renders it as “through”(Greek: δι) although “by” is a synonym of “through”, the meaning can become ambiguous if not properly rendered. For example, if I go through somebody to get to another person, isn’t there that middleman who made it possible? If things were created through(by means of) Jesus, doesn’t that suggest that Jesus is the agency through which it occurred and that he is not the mastermind of Creation?
If you hire workers from Julius Berger to do construction work for you, who do you think is the mastermind behind that construction project, you or Julius Berger? In whose name would the said project be documented as?

John 1:1-3 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I thought this Bible verse has been deliberated on extensively. Even Jesus himself said that humans are called Gods(John 10:34-35) yet this doesn’t mean they’re equal to the Almighty God(John 17:3) Even Jesus himself agreed that he has a God(John 20:17) yet you say he is still the Almighty God, how?

Jesus was in the beginning with God and he created all things by the instructions from God the Father.
Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. This means two Heavenly powers working together as one were responsible for our Creation.
THE ONE WHO SAID '' LET US '' IS GOD THE FATHER GIVING INSTRUCTION TO GOD THE SON IN THE ACCOUNT OF OUR CREATION IN THE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE.

You already answered yourself with the highlighted. Therefore they cannot be the same person if one is ordering the other one around. Psalm 110:1

DappaD:


A much better translation of Colossians 1:17 renders it as “through”(Greek: δι) although “by” is a synonym of “through”, the meaning can become ambiguous if not properly rendered. For example, if I go through somebody to get to another person, isn’t there that middleman who made it possible? If things were created through(by means of) Jesus, doesn’t that suggest that Jesus is the agency through which it occurred and that he is not the mastermind of Creation?
If you hire workers from Julius Berger to do construction work for you, who do you think is the mastermind behind that construction project, you or Julius Berger? In whose name would the said project be documented as?

I thought this Bible verse has been deliberated on extensively. Even Jesus himself said that humans are called Gods(John 10:34-35) yet this doesn’t mean they’re equal to the Almighty God(John 17:3) Even Jesus himself agreed that he has a God(John 20:17) yet you say he is still the Almighty God, how?

You already answered yourself with the highlighted. Therefore they cannot be the same person if one is ordering the other one around. Psalm 110:1

Since you know that Jesus Christ is the one that created all things , does that not make him a God to his creations , even though through the instructions of the Father?

Jesus Christ is the one that created all things including the angels. He cannot therefore be regarded as an Angel.
The Bible makes this clear to us in :

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

It was only Jesus that Father told to sit at His right hand.
Angels are ministering spirits .

Psalm 110:1 KJV
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This is the Bible making it clear that Jesus is not an Angel and David calling Jesus Lord and God the Father Lord.

enilove:


Since you know that Jesus Christ is the one that created all things , does that not make him a God to his creations , even though through the instructions of the Father?

Jesus Christ is the one that created all things including the angels. He cannot therefore be regarded as an Angel.
The Bible makes this clear to us in :

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

It was only Jesus that Father told to sit at His right hand.
Angels are ministering spirits .

Psalm 110:1 KJV
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This is the Bible making it clear that Jesus is not an Angel and David calling Jesus Lord and God the Father Lord.

At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.



Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?

Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

I believe by now that each commentator can see how JWs study God's word before we come to form a global family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought.
It's not just that some people just infused the teaching in our heads without each JW giving himself or herself to thorough research about what we believe.
I purposely opened this thread to show those criticizing JWs that we are diligent Bible students but the fact remains that we are dedicated to one course: Upholding the truth that worshipers of God must be united in faith! John 17:20-23

So we come from different religious backgrounds only to discover that the one and only true God has an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought in LOVE, JOY and PEACE! 1Corinthians 1:10

Therefore let's focus on the topic of discussion instead of arguments.

Why are JWs so strong in explaining what they believe with conviction using the scriptures? Isaiah 54:17

MaxInDHouse:
The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

Oh this. Would you like to be born of water and spirit and free from sin?

MaxInDHouse:
I believe by now that each commentator can see how JWs study God's word before we come to form a global family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought.
It's not just that some people just infused the teaching in our heads without each JW giving himself or herself to thorough research about what we believe.
I purposely opened this thread to show those criticizing JWs that we are diligent Bible students but the fact remains that we are dedicated to one course: Upholding the truth that worshipers of God must be united in faith! John 17:20-23

So we come from different religious backgrounds only to discover that the one and only true God has an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought in LOVE, JOY and PEACE! 1Corinthians 1:10

Therefore let's focus on the topic of discussion instead of arguments.

Why are JWs so strong in explaining what they believe with conviction using the scriptures? Isaiah 54:17

This guy na wa for you o . Instead of answering my question you are here babbling .