Sizzorkay:
Right? and more are being born daily. no job, nothing. and we wonder why there is crime everywhere.

Honestly if not for internet fraud becoming popular amongst the youths, even the president would relocate from aso rock because of the rate of violent crime.
How can Nigeria ever get better at this rate?

Sizzorkay:
Reforming the police is key. And lack of employment is also an issue.
cops in Nigeria doesn't carry out neighborhood patrols in most places, all my 18yrs in naija i never once saw police patrolling (albeit that was a llng time ago, i doubt much has changed). where i live now, day and night, in the rain, snow, sun etc, policing never stop. distribute these guys around sensitive areas, provide them with better communication devices, body Cameras, ability to call for backup and that backup arrives in less than 5 mins, this gives a police officer the confidence that he wouldn't be left alone if he found himself in a bad situation.
more 911 call centers, better pay for officers, lower pay equals bribery demands, pay them more.
educate these cops, how to read maps, some cops can't tell NW corner from SE corner lol. how to use computers, secure crime scenes, store evidence. the list goes on and on.
I hate how soldiers are involved in things they have no business being involved in, those guys are stretched too thin as it is. police need to step up

The funds required is the first problem to encounter, how can it be solved?

upko:

Unemployment!!
Unemployment!!
Unemployment!!

Greater than 35% and climbing everyday. The worst rate in our history.

We can talk about ways to solve this too.
But one thing to note before that is that many people are actually not interested in honest means of livelihood, many want to live big with little work.
There are countries with far worse unemployment rate than Nigeria, the crime rate isn't as high as ours.
Check South Africa's current unemployment rate and compare our crime rates to theirs.

Gireiboy:

The question is; with the way these country is structured, how can you sideline people from the NE and NW, well!if you do that kiss your reelection goodbye.

GEJ became the president of Nigeria in 2011, even though he lost in the North West and North East geopolitical region.

Sizzorkay:
Reforming the police is key. And lack of employment is also an issue.
cops in Nigeria doesn't carry out neighborhood patrols in most places, all my 18yrs in naija i never once saw police patrolling (albeit that was a llng time ago, i doubt much has changed). where i live now, day and night, in the rain, snow, sun etc, policing never stop. distribute these guys around sensitive areas, provide them with better communication devices, body Cameras, ability to call for backup and that backup arrives in less than 5 mins, this gives a police officer the confidence that he wouldn't be left alone if he found himself in a bad situation.
more 911 call centers, better pay for officers, lower pay equals bribery demands, pay them more.
educate these cops, how to read maps, some cops can't tell NW corner from SE corner lol. how to use computers, secure crime scenes, store evidence. the list goes on and on.
I hate how soldiers are involved in things they have no business being involved in, those guys are stretched too thin as it is. police need to step up

Mind you, the special constabulary police initiative was meant to solve the problems of community policing(which involves patrolling), man power problem and other major problems of the police force, few states have implemented it and this that have implemented it, it seems not to have achieved results.
Only Lagos state with the RRS initiative has actually improved policing efforts. Some other states are trying to some extent too(e.g Osun state with the harmomised vigilante group) but more needs to be done.
In addition, expecting a single police force to be in charge of effective patrolling every neighborhood in Nigeria will be very costly and extremely difficult, but sharing the funding and responsibility to all levels of government will make it easier and this brings about separate police forces at the federal, state and local levels.

Whyem15:


We can talk about ways to solve this too.
But one thing to note before that is that many people are actually not interested in honest means of livelihood, many want to live big with little work.
There are countries with far worse unemployment rate than Nigeria, the crime rate isn't as high as ours.
Check South Africa's current unemployment rate and compare our crime rates to theirs.

In Nigeria, Government do not support the citizens. Throughout the Covid-19 lockdown, #1 no reach me. What did you get from the FG or your state Government during Covid-19 lockdown make you ask a South African too wetin e get, then that should give you your answer.

Whyem15:


The funds required is the first problem to encounter, how can it be solved?

Secondly, Nigeria is beyond the level of employing school certificate as policeman.. we should up the standard to ND Hnd , diplomas and degrees

Whyem15:


Mind you, the special constabulary police initiative was meant to solve the problems of community policing(which involves patrolling), man power problem and other major problems of the police force, few states have implemented it and this that have implemented it, it seems not to have achieved results.
Only Lagos state with the RRS initiative has actually improved policing efforts. Some other states are trying to some extent too(e.g Osun state with the armomised vigilante group) but more needs to be done.
In addition, expecting a single police force to be in charge of effective patrolling every neighborhood in Nigeria will be very costly and extremely difficult, but sharing the funding and responsibility to all levels of government will make it easier and this brings about separate police forces at the federal, state and local levels.

RRS no dey enter most streets for ikorodu. I hardly see them this days sef. They only patrol the major roads.

DubaiLandLord:
In Nigeria, Government do not support the citizens. Throughout the Covid-19 lockdown, #1 no reach me. What did you get from the FG or your state Government during Covid-19 lockdown make you ask a South African too wetin e get, then that should give you your answer.
I

Our state govt that were hoarding ca-covud palliatives... Pple had to resort to looting of the centres

Every so called developed countries out there are mostly in debt, if not all.
increasing tax revenue is also important, otherwise we won't be able to fund anything. and we gotta increase our debt, most countries do it. right now our debt is too low. we gotta borrow more and put that money into good use.
Tiny Israel is over 200 billion dollars in debt, USA is over 14 trillion in debt. even Saudi Arabia.
We gotta give out long term loans at low interest rates to our companies, so they can expand and hire more people, upgrade how we do things, establish trade schools across the country so our youths can get modern skills acquisitions, rather than hiring construction workers from china.
These things aren't rocket science. its sad how we lag so far behind

Whyem15:


The funds required is the first problem to encounter, how can it be solved?

yes, community policing is usually a local thing. here in NY i think there are only about 4k state police officers, the others are local police officers, in the tens of thousands, every region has its own Mayor and local police department

Whyem15:


Mind you, the special constabulary police initiative was meant to solve the problems of community policing(which involves patrolling), man power problem and other major problems of the police force, few states have implemented it and this that have implemented it, it seems not to have achieved results.
Only Lagos state with the RRS initiative has actually improved policing efforts. Some other states are trying to some extent too(e.g Osun state with the armomised vigilante group) but more needs to be done.
In addition, expecting a single police force to be in charge of effective patrolling every neighborhood in Nigeria will be very costly and extremely difficult, but sharing the funding and responsibility to all levels of government will make it easier and this brings about separate police forces at the federal, state and local levels.

why? here in the US they still have highly disciplined cops and well respected, and high school diploma is the minimum in most depts. all they need to learn are taught to them in the academy, then they join the force as a rookie assigned to seasoned police officers who also teach them. Its all about the quality of discipline and training, higher level academic certification not needed to be an effective police officer, but i suppose its better
so i say if we can get cops with higher degrees, sure, but what if we couldn't get enough, so those with high school diploma should be given a chance too

GeneralFarouq:

Secondly, Nigeria is beyond the level of employing school certificate as policeman.. we should up the standard to ND Hnd , diplomas and degrees

GEJ actually won over 25% votes in the NW and NE which is what the electoral act specifies. Buhari won overwhelmingly in the NW and NE in 2011 but didn't get the 25% minimum in most states in the South. That's why he didn't win then.

DubaiLandLord:
GEJ became the president of Nigeria in 2011, even though he lost in the North West and North East geopolitical region.

Sizzorkay:
Every so called developed countries out there are mostly in debt, if not all.
increasing tax revenue is also important, otherwise we won't be able to fund anything. and we gotta increase our debt, most countries do it. right now our debt is too low. we gotta borrow more and put that money into good use.
Tiny Israel is over 200 billion dollars in debt, USA is over 14 trillion in debt. even Saudi Arabia.
We gotta give out long term loans at low interest rates to our companies, so they can expand and hire more people, upgrade how we do things, establish trade schools across the country so our youths can get modern skills acquisitions, rather than hiring construction workers from china.
These things aren't rocket science. its sad how we lag so far behind

The rate of youth with skilled labour has been dwindling at alarming rates no thanks to the prevalence of fraud and sundry.

Substance abuse has risen dramatically due to the "disposable income" available, up until last year I bin never see crack and molly with my eye before, na normal weed boys bin de on.

For my yard now na like normal thing now, with an average spend per individual at ₦5k a day.

It has opened a new industry of sorts, even drug dealers now the chop.

Fighting for territory by local gangs would soon be the new security "frontier" in Urban Nigeria, they just too much ill-gotten money on the streets, it wouldn't be too long before "boys" have ideas.

Nigeria used to be a transit country for Narcos, that story is quickly changing.

All those so-called "Nigerian Mafia" men for Italy go soon start to come back.

What's even worse is that there's really no appetite amongst the youthful population to learn a skill, dem go rather go de for "HK" when you see your 23-year-old friend de drive $50k machine oppression no go kee you?

Iran sends warships to Atlantic amid Venezuela concerns


wouldn't it be funy if these ships get stranded at sea and US had to help Iran tow them lol. that would be embarrassing

GeneralFarouq:

Secondly, Nigeria is beyond the level of employing school certificate as policeman.. we should up the standard to ND Hnd , diplomas and degrees

Not so. This is painting lip stick on a pig. The selection process is faulty. All the degrees in the world don't solve a thing.

Sizzorkay:
Every so called developed countries out there are mostly in debt, if not all.
increasing tax revenue is also important, otherwise we won't be able to fund anything. and we gotta increase our debt, most countries do it. right now our debt is too low. we gotta borrow more and put that money into good use.
Tiny Israel is over 200 billion dollars in debt, USA is over 14 trillion in debt. even Saudi Arabia.
We gotta give out long term loans at low interest rates to our companies, so they can expand and hire more people, upgrade how we do things, establish trade schools across the country so our youths can get modern skills acquisitions, rather than hiring construction workers from china.
These things aren't rocket science. its sad how we lag so far behind

These countries have meaningful plans to repay the loans before they borrow. In fact no one will borrow you money that they know you can't pay back. The little Nigeria has borrowed, we are still thinking of how to repay. How then are we going to be able to repay more than the current debt?

The problem is revenue generation. Nigeria has one of the most least revenue:GDP ratio in the world. How do we increase this revenue before we even start thinking of borrowing more.

In addition, we have billions of dollars in stolen funds all over the world. How can we get these money back.

Sizzorkay:
yes, community policing is usually a local thing. here in NY i think there are only about 4k state police officers, the others are local police officers, in the tens of thousands, every region has its own Mayor and local police department

Sheriffs right? County police.
That should be the equivalent of policing at the local government level.

DubaiLandLord:
In Nigeria, Government do not support the citizens. Throughout the Covid-19 lockdown, #1 no reach me. What did you get from the FG or your state Government during Covid-19 lockdown make you ask a South African too wetin e get, then that should give you your answer.

There are countries with far worse economic condition than Nigeria. Countries like Somalia, South Sudan, Congo, Benin, Cameroon, Chad and several others both within and outside Africa that have lower crime rates than us. We just like making excuses for bad behavior and crimes.

lebuhsi:


The rate of youth with skilled labour has been dwindling at alarming rates no thanks to the prevalence of fraud and sundry.

Substance abuse has risen dramatically due to the "disposable income" available, up until last year I bin never see crack and molly with my eye before, na normal weed boys bin de on.

For my yard now na like normal thing now, with an average spend per individual at ₦5k a day.

It has opened a new industry of sorts, even drug dealers now the chop.

Fighting for territory by local gangs would soon be the new security "frontier" in Urban Nigeria, they just too much ill-gotten money on the streets, it wouldn't be too long before "boys" have ideas.

Nigeria used to be a transit country for Narcos, that story is quickly changing.

All those so-called "Nigerian Mafia" men for Italy go soon start to come back.

What's even worse is that there's really no appetite amongst the youthful population to learn a skill, dem go rather go de for "HK" when you see your 23-year-old friend de drive $50k machine oppression no go kee you?

How do we stop this, let's discuss solutions.

Whyem15:


There are countries with far worse economic condition than Nigeria. Countries like Somalia, South Sudan, Congo, Benin, Cameroon, Chad and several others both within and outside Africa, we just like making excuses for bad behavior and crimes.

May God purnish our leaders past and present.

No, just local police, but here we also have sheriffs, but i rarely see those, we don't have a sheriff's office here in the city, I'm guessing they belong to small towns in upstate new york. they are rare within the 5 boroughs of New york city

Whyem15:


Sheriffs right? County police.
That should be the equivalent of policing at the local government level.

well the debt those countries owe keep rising, they aren't paying anything back lol, maybe only the interest amd minimum due, same way we little people pay off our credit cards.
you're telling me America is going to pay back over 14 trillion? sheet, won't happen. Those countries have good Fiscal policies, robust tax base etc, and good credit rating.
apart from the govt, we regular people here also use credit score for everything, my own score is 710 for example lol, which means with good income i can approach a bank and get a loan to buy a house or car etc.
even to rent an Apartment here, you must have a credit of over 680 in new york, minimum. otherwise no one will rent to you.
so if Nigeria have a robust tax base, generate good income and have good credit rating administered by international financial institutions, and strong Fiscal policies in place, we can borrow more

Whyem15:


These countries have meaningful plans to repay the loans before they borrow. In fact no one will borrow you money that they know you can't pay back. The little Nigeria has borrowed, we are still thinking of how to repay. How then are we going to be able to repay more than the current debt?

The problem is revenue generation. Nigeria has one of the most least revenue:GDP ratio in the world. How do we increase this revenue before we even start thinking of borrowing more.

In addition, we have billions of dollars in stolen funds all over the world. How can we get these money back.

Odunayaw:
Not so. This is painting lip stick on a pig. The selection process is faulty. All the degrees in the world don't solve a thing.

Am not asking for a degree, just an advancement in education criteria.
The secondary school graduate we have in some states equal illetrracy... State Education are so poor in some state that u wonder if a person who claims to be a graduate even evr attended one...
I think one fundamental problem is illiteracy, when u have lots of officers in police force who can't read and write, how do we then expect them to grapple with teachings of basic fundamental human right and enforcement..
Advancing to diplomas, and equivalent will increase the standard of education, literacy and even basic thinking and understanding within the police force...
Then one thing I want to draw ur attention too is environment...
You cant compare a city goat to village goat... This another way of saying... An iaverage lliterate in the western religion is in a better position than one here in the North.. when u take the western region sophistication into account.. Even pidgin most illrtrate here can't speak...

Sizzorkay:
well the debt those countries owe keep rising, they aren't paying anything back lol, maybe only the interest amd minimum due, same way we little people pay off our credit cards.
you're telling me America is going to pay back over 14 trillion? sheet, won't happen. Those countries have good Fiscal policies, robust tax base etc, and good credit rating.
apart from the govt, we regular people here also use credit score for everything, my own score is 710 for example lol, which means with good income i can approach a bank and get a loan to buy a house or car etc.
even to rent an Apartment here, you must have a credit of over 680 in new york, minimum. otherwise no one will rent to you.
so if Nigeria have a robust tax base, generate good income and have good credit rating administered by international financial institutions, and strong Fiscal policies in place, we can borrow more

I still maintain that no one will borrow anyone money if they are aware you won't be able to pay it back. US debt is over $21 trillion, trust me they've paid at least 2 times that amount already via debt servicing.
At some point, those who own the debts will decide to forgive it, only after you've paid back more than the original amount in interest and not before. No one is really stupid to do that you know.

Meanwhile, a former NSA looted at least $9 billion at the height of the insurgency. We need to talk about this things more often too.

That's why basic test should be administered before they are accepted into the training program, aka Academy.
This way you weed out those without basic qualities. The rest is simply training and basic understanding of the law as regards to law enforcement a d rights of the civilians you encounter on the job everyday

GeneralFarouq:

Am not asking for a degree, just an advancement in education criteria.
The secondary school graduate we have in some states equal illetrracy... State Education are so poor in some state that u wonder if a person who claims to be a graduate even evr attended one...
I think one fundamental problem is illiteracy, when u have lots of officers in police force who can't read and write, how do we then expect them to grapple with teachings of basic fundamental human right and enforcement..
Advancing to diplomas, and equivalent will increase the standard of education, literacy and even basic thinking and understanding within the police force...
Then one thing I want to draw ur attention too is environment...
You cant compare a city goat to village goat... This another way of saying... An iaverage lliterate in the western religion is in a better position than one here in the North.. when u take the western region sophistication into account.. Even pidgin most illrtrate here can't speak...

That's what i said chief. there's always balance due, but majority of the money owed is there. America's debt wont go down because they aren't earning enough to fund the country anymore. so it will always borrow, but it also has good credit rating. which was what i said. you pay whatever balance is due. which is why Nigeria need to work on its income generating capacity and tax base etc.
with househd total networth in the US at over 90 trillion dollars, guess they can afford it, all they gotta do is tax their people more. that's why i said Nigeria need to up its game. we are saying thesame thing
For every dollar spent in the US, they borrow a percentage of it, can't remember the amount, i think btw 5 and 25 cent or so. which is like 1 Naira to 5 or 25 kobo

Whyem15:

I still maintain that no one will borrow anyone money if they are aware you won't be able to pay it back. US debt is over $21 trillion, trust me they've paid at least 2 times that amount already via debt servicing.
At some point, those who own the debts will decide to forgive it, only after you've paid back more than the original amount in interest and not before. No one is really stupid to do that you know.

us talking about it won't bring any effective changes. we aren't in govt. the idiots there aren't doing their job. either mass protests or walking off work enmass, its hard to get the attention of the political elites

Whyem15:
Meanwhile, a former NSA looted at least $9 billion at the height of the insurgency. We need to talk about this things more often too.

Sizzorkay:
us talking about it won't bring any effective changes. we aren't in govt. the idiots there aren't doing their job. either mass protests or walking off work enmass, its hard to get the attention of the political elites

That's actually one of the few things the current attorney-General has been doing. Repatriating looted funds, settling financial cases like the P&ID case that Nigeria would been forced to pay over $9 billion to the company, the malabu case that Nigeria unfortunately lost but there are renewed efforts to reopen the case and so on. In the aspect of finance, the Attorney-General has really tried.

Sizzorkay:
That's what i said chief. there's always balance due, but majority of the money owed is there. America's debt wont go down because they aren't earning enough to fund the country anymore. so it will always borrow, but it also has good credit rating. which was what i said. you pay whatever balance is due. which is why Nigeria need to work on its income generating capacity and tax base etc.
with househd total networth in the US at over 90 trillion dollars, guess they can afford it, all they gotta do is tax their people more. that's why i said Nigeria need to up its game. we are saying thesame thing
For every dollar spent in the US, they borrow a percentage of it, can't remember the amount, i think btw 5 and 25 cent or so. which is like 1 Naira to 5 or 25 kobo

The problem with income and profit tax in Nigeria is that very few are within the tax basket. The vast majority are in the informal sector where it is very difficult to tax.
As for me, increasing the VAT to about 20% will bring in lots of revenue for years, and with this, everyone will be generating revenue for the government.
It will serve as a way of recieving part payment for what government provide for free.

Whyem15:


There are countries with far worse economic condition than Nigeria. Countries like Somalia, South Sudan, Congo, Benin, Cameroon, Chad and several others both within and outside Africa that have lower crime rates than us. We just like making excuses for bad behavior and crimes.

But nah you use South Africa as example

I've been to Benin republic, Benin republic has more better power supply and more better road. See Nigerian government no dey try at all.

3-4 weeks ago, there was a very serious riot in ikorodu, do you know why? Bad road caused a serious accident and people died a very painful death. Imagine make trailer fall on top keke napep wey 5 people dey inside more than 4 people died on that terrible day because of a bad road. I'm talking about the ikorodu-shagamu expressway. The axis the accident happened is very close to LASPOTECH main campus.

While I was driving through benin republic roads, I no see police checkpoint and everything was so orderly. If you see as people fear their police with just ordinary kondo On Nigerian roads, is always checkpoint upon checkpoint. Policemen in checkpoint B go dey look as policemen in checkpoint A dey search all over your cars and check your particulars, dem fit waste your time for like 30mins, when you comot, policemen in checkpoint B go still search your car and check your papers, even though the checkpoint no fit be up to a 5 mins drive between themselves. This kind of madness does not happen in Benin republic.

Bro, forget am jawe.