.

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BiigTee:
His idea of trying his best is by sending an apprentice to come and point out everything but his obvious mistake!.. No how can we make this right? What can be done to ease the financial burden my mistakes are causing..

Rotech77 I regret working with you and I wish everybody sees you for who you are! A wannabe!

While I may not have the full details of what has transpired in this transaction, I will refrain from passing judgment until Rotech comes to share his side. However, sending someone to come check out your claims is a big NO NO. He should have been there himself regardless of schedule.

I dislike when I give a professional a job and he collects money into his account but sends someone.

BiigTee:
Can you all see the amount of concrete that was cast to level the decking the a professional claimed to have supervised! No, look at it and tell me why I should feel happy! 10" of thick concrete! Even thicker than decking which is usually 6"

Wow . Let him refund/reimburse you for this. It is really disturbing as the slab could have easily come done and killed someone

Good evening all.

My comment here is to say noting but the truth and to all of us both client and contractor, if you do bad and expect good reward it’s a joke you can’t get such,
If you do good and people are ready to paint you bad.... don’t worry your good did will fight for you, I understand that nobody is perfect but we still have good people’s in this world

. Let’s go to the issue at hand now.

@ bigitie contacted us here as others clients do to handle a slab ( decking) work for him in ogun state which both of us agreed.

We are to handle cost of LABOR and SUPERVISION ONLY.NO MATERIALS

Material
The client bought ALL the MATERIALS himself, even when he bought at high rate, it took me and my project manager to went round with him for a whole day to get the remaining materials at good rate in his present and he paid for such and they delivered it to site for him.

Omonile wahala
Hmmm, we almost lost a worker to omolenile, they came to site to stop us 3 diff times with GUN, MATCHES and JUJU, Infact it’s terrible experience.
The day we are casting the client was there with us ( my workers, site supervisor, project manager) that day the client also was TOTALLY CONFUSED he didn’t know what to do again. The omonile deal with my workers seriously and they took money again from us.
This drama lasted for like 3hours, haaaaa omonile hmmm it’s not good ooo. We see segeee dat day.

The slab
The client provides structural design which we follow accordingly without missing any part, ( pics attached)

The stair way
The issue of omonile delayed the casting and we finished the work at night around 9pm with touch light ( at the process ONLY ONE of the RISER plank break ( simple cutting off when-ready to tile the stir) not an issue )


Slab Slope
As you all know the Last level is where to follow while preparing your slab beam which we did after himself and I with others worker checked the building height ( unfortunately nobody sense the buildings height is slightly diff in height by 6” in one side )
We did the formwork we put the reinforcements and he came to check it and he was there the day we casted it.


Last and current issue
@bigitie called me last Sunday that the decking is bouncing in sittingroom area, I said its not possible we did what we supposed to do and you saw it then, he now said another engr as take over the upper structure job ( bcs we don’t agree on price about this upper floor) so I said May be they loaded much block on a sport there, later he said the new man will take care of that.
Later he said the building slope I said my site man will come on 3days time to check ( tue - wed)
But my site man couldn’t make it until 4 days after ( today) they check round with the new man and himself and FOuND OUT THAT ITS 5” or so in slope In ONE side only due to POOR FOUNDATION they did for him with NON accurate block Height which the NEW ENGr that handle the new job also told him in the present of my site supervisor that went there to check. The issue .



Bum bigtie said he will come to public
To publish my name and my workers name.

Well if you do good .., good things shall follow you.

Thank you all

[quote author=BiigTee post=102690796][/quote]

My Engr. charge is 10%(cost of materials and labour) and I am always glad to pay it him as he is up to the task. I don’t go for cheap, I will rather wait till I have money that will be enough to get each stage of my project done than to engage cheap Engr. and labour.

hamtabfawaz:



Hmm! Baba you just raised a good point.

I would take this as a great advice to enlarge my Empire.

Good idea but Na money kill am.

Money well spent

Posting pictures of the decking work doesn't mean u did ur due deligence before u cast and while casting the decking.. If u cast it well.. Why was it bouncing?

If u made sure the carpenters work was level.. Why was the decking sloping by 9"?

Could this not have been avoided if u were present and fully doing ur supervision work as u were paid to do?

rotecch77:
Good evening all.

My comment here is to say noting but the truth and to all of us both client and contractor, if you do bad and expect good reward it’s a joke you can’t get such,
If you do good and people are ready to paint you bad.... don’t worry your good did will fight for you, I understand that nobody is perfect but we still have good people’s in this world

. Let’s go to the issue at hand now.

@ bigitie contacted us here as others clients do to handle a slab ( decking) work for him in ogun state which both of us agreed.

We are to handle cost of LABOR and SUPERVISION ONLY.NO MATERIALS

Material
The client bought ALL the MATERIALS himself, even when he bought at high rate, it took me and my project manager to went round with him for a whole day to get the remaining materials at good rate in his present and he paid for such and they delivered it to site for him.

Omonile wahala
Hmmm, we almost lost a worker to omolenile, they came to site to stop us 3 diff times with GUN, MATCHES and JUJU, Infact it’s terrible experience.
The day we are casting the client was there with us ( my workers, site supervisor, project manager) that day the client also was TOTALLY CONFUSED he didn’t know what to do again. The omonile deal with my workers seriously and they took money again from us.
This drama lasted for like 3hours, haaaaa omonile hmmm it’s not good ooo. We see segeee dat day.

The slab
The client provides structural design which we follow accordingly without missing any part, ( pics attached)

The stair way
The issue of omonile delayed the casting and we finished the work at night around 9pm with touch light ( at the process ONLY ONE of the RISER plank break ( simple cutting off when-ready to tile the stir) not an issue )


Slab Slope
As you all know the Last level is where to follow while preparing your slab beam which we did after himself and I with others worker checked the building height ( unfortunately nobody sense the buildings height is slightly diff in height by 6” in one side )
We did the formwork we put the reinforcements and he came to check it and he was there the day we casted it.


Last and current issue
@bigitie called me last Sunday that the decking is bouncing in sittingroom area, I said its not possible we did what we supposed to do and you saw it then, he now said another engr as take over the upper structure job ( bcs we don’t agree on price about this upper floor) so I said May be they loaded much block on a sport there, later he said the new man will take care of that.
Later he said the building slope I said my site man will come on 3days time to check ( tue - wed)
But my site man couldn’t make it until 4 days after ( today) they check round with the new man and himself and FOuND OUT THAT ITS 5” or so in slope In ONE side only due to POOR FOUNDATION they did for him with NON accurate block Height which the NEW ENGr that handle the new job also told him in the present of my site supervisor that went there to check. The issue .



Bum bigtie said he will come to public
To publish my name and my workers name.

Well if you do good .., good things shall follow you.

Thank you all

.

BiigTee:
Can you all see the amount of concrete that was cast to level the decking the a professional claimed to have supervised! No, look at it and tell me why I should feel happy! 10" of thick concrete! Even thicker than decking which is usually 6"

Who recommended this solution?

I think 10 inches thick concrete is just too much load on the structure regardless of the justification the engineer might have given.

Sorry for this error.

________

A simple fix for such issue is just to section the slab after confirming that the as-built design of the slab conform with structural design requirement.

.

If rotech77 had done his due deligence nobody would be casting that thickness of concrete again.. 2. If rotech had come down to the site when I. Informed him of his mistake.. Maybe he could have rubbed minds with the person working there to come up with a better solution..

But did he come? No! Did he send anybody? No! Sending somebody a week after he was informed of the problem is just stupid! Was he expecting the engineeer there to fold arms and be waiting for him to come?

n3xt:


Who recommended this solution?

I think 10 inches thick concrete is just too much load on the structure regardless of the justification the engineer might have given.

Sorry for this error.

________

A simple fix for such issue is just to section the slab after confirming that the as-built design of the slab conform with structural design requirement.

Just for learning purpose.

Here’s a slab with different thickness.

We are to handle cost of LABOR and SUPERVISION ONLY.NO MATERIALS

Material
The client bought ALL the MATERIALS himself, even when he bought at high rate, it took me and my project manager to went round with him for a whole day to get the remaining materials at good rate in his present and he paid for such and they delivered it to site for him.

The slab
The client provides structural design which we follow accordingly without missing any part, ( pics attached)

The stair way
The issue of omonile delayed the casting and we finished the work at night around 9pm with touch light ( at the process ONLY ONE of the RISER plank break ( simple cutting off when-ready to tile the stir) not an issue )


Slab Slope
As you all know the Last level is where to follow while preparing your slab beam which we did after himself and I with others worker checked the building height ( unfortunately nobody sense the buildings height is slightly diff in height by 6” in one side )
We did the formwork we put the reinforcements and he came to check it and he was there the day we casted it.


Last and current issue
@bigitie called me last Sunday that the decking is bouncing in sittingroom area, I said its not possible we did what we supposed to do and you saw it then, he now said another engr as take over the upper structure job ( bcs we don’t agree on price about this upper floor) so I said May be they loaded much block on a sport there, later he said the new man will take care of that.
Later he said the building slope I said my site man will come on 3days time to check ( tue - wed)
But my site man couldn’t make it until 4 days after ( today) they check round with the new man and himself and FOuND OUT THAT ITS 5” or so in slope In ONE side only due to POOR FOUNDATION they did for him with NON accurate block Height which the NEW ENGr that handle the new job also told him in the present of my site supervisor that went there to check. The issue .


The bolded is not an excusable excuse. It's pure negligence of all your substitute staffs. Your negligence started from your carpenter and site supervisor. The new site engineer is just trying to collaborate the talk trying to drive away the blame.

Let me use the lintel height to explain what your carpenter ought to have done........

This is where your carpenter and iron man ought to work together.
At the point where you obviously notice uneven block at that height, you take appropriate level from the gdfloor to ascertain the true height and transfer all round.you can do this locally or by way of instrument.....whatsoever block that needs to be chipped off is done with and the iron man goes about his work properly.

Please accept the blame and make amends with the client. That idea of shifting blame on who did foundation works is very unprofessional.

I experienced such a thing as far back as 2008-2010 and I did not need to explain to the carpenter on what to do. I was then working with the company that handled former Gov. Amaechi 105 Health Centre Project in Rivers State.

To the client Biig Tee apologies for what happened to you. I pray the new engineer remedied the job properly to avoid stories in future.











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Sir.. I don't know u from anywhere oo. But my God will bless u.. I know how hard I worked for the 3.54m I spent on that decking..

I planned to do block work and parapet this month .. Only for me to start spending over 1.2m to correct rotech77 's mistake.. If i curse him.. I swear it would reach him.. Because I know that for every 1k I make.. My body feels the stress! I deprive myself alot so I can complete the house and just rest.

bixton:
We are to handle cost of LABOR and SUPERVISION ONLY.NO MATERIALS

Material
The client bought ALL the MATERIALS himself, even when he bought at high rate, it took me and my project manager to went round with him for a whole day to get the remaining materials at good rate in his present and he paid for such and they delivered it to site for him.

The slab
The client provides structural design which we follow accordingly without missing any part, ( pics attached)

The stair way
The issue of omonile delayed the casting and we finished the work at night around 9pm with touch light ( at the process ONLY ONE of the RISER plank break ( simple cutting off when-ready to tile the stir) not an issue )


Slab Slope
As you all know the Last level is where to follow while preparing your slab beam which we did after himself and I with others worker checked the building height ( unfortunately nobody sense the buildings height is slightly diff in height by 6” in one side )
We did the formwork we put the reinforcements and he came to check it and he was there the day we casted it.


Last and current issue
@bigitie called me last Sunday that the decking is bouncing in sittingroom area, I said its not possible we did what we supposed to do and you saw it then, he now said another engr as take over the upper structure job ( bcs we don’t agree on price about this upper floor) so I said May be they loaded much block on a sport there, later he said the new man will take care of that.
Later he said the building slope I said my site man will come on 3days time to check ( tue - wed)
But my site man couldn’t make it until 4 days after ( today) they check round with the new man and himself and FOuND OUT THAT ITS 5” or so in slope In ONE side only due to POOR FOUNDATION they did for him with NON accurate block Height which the NEW ENGr that handle the new job also told him in the present of my site supervisor that went there to check. The issue .


The bolded is not an excusable excuse. It's pure negligence of all your substitute staffs. Your negligence started from your carpenter and site supervisor. The new site engineer is just trying to collaborate the talk trying to drive away the blame.

Let me use the lintel height to explain what your carpenter ought to have done........

This is where your carpenter and iron man ought to work together.
At the point where you obviously notice uneven block at that height, you take appropriate level from the gdfloor to ascertain the true height and transfer all round.you can do this locally or by way of instrument.....whatsoever block that needs to be chipped off is done with and the iron man goes about his work properly.

Please accept the blame and make amends with the client. That idea of shifting blame on who did foundation works is very unprofessional.

I experienced such a thing as far back as 2008-2010 and I did not need to explain to the carpenter on what to do. I was then working with the company that handled former Gov. Amaechi 105 Health Centre Project in Rivers State.

To the client Biig Tee apologies for what happened to you. I pray the new engineer remedied the job properly to avoid stories in future.

He wasn't even there during the casting.. He also didn't tell me ahead that he won't be there!

Homextras:

While I may not have the full details of what has transpired in this transaction, I will refrain from passing judgment until Rotech comes to share his side. However, sending someone to come check out your claims is a big NO NO. He should have been there himself regardless of schedule.

I dislike when I give a professional a job and he collects money into his account but sends someone.

[quote author=BiigTee post=102690829][/quote] all I can see here is lack of supervision

BiigTee:
Sir.. I don't know u from anywhere oo. But my God will bless u.. I know how hard I worked for the 3.54m I spent on that decking..

I planned to do block work and parapet this month .. Only for me to start spending over 1.2m to correct rotech77 's mistake.. If i curse him.. I swear it would reach him.. Because I know that for every 1k I make.. My body feels the stress! I deprive myself alot so I can complete the house and just rest.

Sad story. God replenish you man. Hardly would you expect a refund in Nigeria. But artisan should be at least more professional. He may not be able to refund everything but the approach really matters

bixton:
We are to handle cost of LABOR and SUPERVISION ONLY.NO MATERIALS

Material
The client bought ALL the MATERIALS himself, even when he bought at high rate, it took me and my project manager to went round with him for a whole day to get the remaining materials at good rate in his present and he paid for such and they delivered it to site for him.

The slab
The client provides structural design which we follow accordingly without missing any part, ( pics attached)

The stair way
The issue of omonile delayed the casting and we finished the work at night around 9pm with touch light ( at the process ONLY ONE of the RISER plank break ( simple cutting off when-ready to tile the stir) not an issue )


Slab Slope
As you all know the Last level is where to follow while preparing your slab beam which we did after himself and I with others worker checked the building height ( unfortunately nobody sense the buildings height is slightly diff in height by 6” in one side )
We did the formwork we put the reinforcements and he came to check it and he was there the day we casted it.


Last and current issue
@bigitie called me last Sunday that the decking is bouncing in sittingroom area, I said its not possible we did what we supposed to do and you saw it then, he now said another engr as take over the upper structure job ( bcs we don’t agree on price about this upper floor) so I said May be they loaded much block on a sport there, later he said the new man will take care of that.
Later he said the building slope I said my site man will come on 3days time to check ( tue - wed)
But my site man couldn’t make it until 4 days after ( today) they check round with the new man and himself and FOuND OUT THAT ITS 5” or so in slope In ONE side only due to POOR FOUNDATION they did for him with NON accurate block Height which the NEW ENGr that handle the new job also told him in the present of my site supervisor that went there to check. The issue .


The bolded is not an excusable excuse. It's pure negligence of all your substitute staffs. Your negligence started from your carpenter and site supervisor. The new site engineer is just trying to collaborate the talk trying to drive away the blame.

Let me use the lintel height to explain what your carpenter ought to have done........

This is where your carpenter and iron man ought to work together.
At the point where you obviously notice uneven block at that height, you take appropriate level from the gdfloor to ascertain the true height and transfer all round.you can do this locally or by way of instrument.....whatsoever block that needs to be chipped off is done with and the iron man goes about his work properly.

Please accept the blame and make amends with the client. That idea of shifting blame on who did foundation works is very unprofessional.

I experienced such a thing as far back as 2008-2010 and I did not need to explain to the carpenter on what to do. I was then working with the company that handled former Gov. Amaechi 105 Health Centre Project in Rivers State.

To the client Biig Tee apologies for what happened to you. I pray the new engineer remedied the job properly to avoid stories in future.

True

BiigTee:
If rotech77 had done his due deligence nobody would be casting that thickness of concrete again.. 2. If rotech had come down to the site when I. Informed him of his mistake.. Maybe he could have rubbed minds with the person working there to come up with a better solution..

But did he come? No! Did he send anybody? No! Sending somebody a week after he was informed of the problem is just stupid! Was he expecting the engineeer there to fold arms and be waiting for him to come?

I get your point sir.

Moving forward, I’d recommend you stop all work and get a structural engineer (professional) to assess the integrity of the structure.

I’m even more worried about the fix than the main issue right now.

Once again sorry for this regrettable error.

BiigTee:
Sir.. I don't know u from anywhere oo. But my God will bless u.. I know how hard I worked for the 3.54m I spent on that decking..

I planned to do block work and parapet this month .. Only for me to start spending over 1.2m to correct rotech77 's mistake.. If i curse him.. I swear it would reach him.. Because I know that for every 1k I make.. My body feels the stress! I deprive myself alot so I can complete the house and just rest.

Apologies once again.
I want to assume that the new site engineer knows what he did as part to remedy the issue. Please do not get too angry to curse anyone. I'll appreciate if Rotech77 himself can go to your site and see or enquire from the new engineer that which he did to remedy the situation if it's structurally safe and appropriate. To me I believe he owes you that to do himself despite his busy schedule.

I can feel the owners pains.

Not now that money is much more difficult to gather and evaporates much more faster.

It's really sad.

hslbroker2:
all I can see here is lack of supervision

You need to relax...chill out a bit...

dongc:


You need to relax...chill out a bit...

ok bro

n3xt:


I get your point sir.

Moving forward, I’d recommend you stop all work and get a structural engineer (professional) to assess the integrity of the structure.

I’m even more worried about the fix than the main issue right now.

Once again sorry for this regrettable error.

God will continue to bless to u, brabus, you are called and u came, God bless u more once again

BiigTee:
He wasn't even there during the casting.. He also didn't tell me ahead that he won't be there!

So sorry to hear about this. I think it was due to inadequate communication. We as workmen should always carry our clients along on every move we make at their sites. The client deserves to know about each challenge, and the suggested solutions.

@Rottech, you need to reach out and apologise to this Oga. I am sure that if you did this earlier, he wont be here to complain.

Thank you all.

hslbroker2:
ok bro

no need to fan the flame


So sorry for your loss @bigtee

twinskenny:
no need to fan the flame


So sorry for your loss @bigtee

no Kenny, am Kenny too we all artisans, our clients are our priority @ rotecch77 need to apologize to bigtree, this mistake had been made, I don't want bigtree to destroy his name ok

spyder880:


So sorry to hear about this. I think it was due to inadequate communication. We as workmen should always carry our clients along on every move we make at their sites. The client deserves to know about each challenge, and the suggested solutions.

@Rottech, you need to reach out and apologise to this Oga. I am sure that if you did this earlier, he wont be here to complain.

Thank you all.

lack of supervision

spyder880:


So sorry to hear about this. I think it was due to inadequate communication. We as workmen should always carry our clients along on every move we make at their sites. The client deserves to know about each challenge, and the suggested solutions.

@Rottech, you need to reach out and apologise to this Oga. I am sure that if you did this earlier, he wont be here to complain.

Thank you all.

Thanks you all I really appreciate you people
Actually it’s not in my DNA to talk too much on issue as this, once I made my point i move.
But to be candid I have told him sorry on whatzap chart (actully my conversation with cleint is confidential ) but he said no that he need to come public to post it.

Any way I believed NOBODY IS PARAGON we learn everyday.

@bigitie I’m sorry again.

Thank you all
I rely appreciate

Good evening house, please can you give a rough estimate of number of cement and sand tonnes needed to errect a simple two bedroom two bath house? There’s about 2,000 blocks available now
Please no german floor is needed....very leveled site thanks

hslbroker2:
no Kenny, am Kenny too we all artisans, our clients are our priority @ rotecch77 need to apologize to bigtree, this mistake had been made, I don't want bigtree to destroy his name ok

Can't you keep quiet for once and let the issue be resolve. Haba . Solution you no get , to me you just making noise awon fire 2 geng