haddeylium:


Even if this the only thing you and your friend, hupernikoo will learn from this thread, don't lose it.

That's how the word 'Sar' in Daniel 10:13 was rendered

Princes
הַשָּׂרִ֥ים (haś·śā·rîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 8269

'Foremost of the chief princes'/ 'One of the chief princes'/ 'First of the chief princes'.
Nowhere is the word 'Angel' or 'Archangel' mentioned. Don't allow poor or biased Translations of the scriptures influenced you. If you did your research well, we won't be having this conversation and you'll the stress of explaining this to you two.
If you going to be civil with your replies and comments, I'll might further this discussion.

These are ranks amongst Angel in heaven

1. the ARCHANGEL,Michael as the chief angel and the great royal Prince of angelic princes(Da 8:25)

Da 7:9, 10; Mt 5:22; Jude 9; ; 10:13; 12:1; Re 12:7

2. 24 ELDERS,angels as royal princes

Da 7:9, 10; Re 4:4; Ps 105:22; 107:32; Mt 5:22

3. SERAPHS, angels as royal attendants

Da 7:10; Is 6:2, 3; Re 4:8; 5:11

4. CHERUBS, angels as royal guards

Da 7:10; Ex 25:20; Eze 10:20, 21; 5:11

5. ANGELS, as field messengers, protectors and executioners

Ps 103:20, 21; Ps 148:2; Jude 14


Michael 'the great prince and prince of princes' is the heavenly name of Jesus the ' Prince of Peace'
That's on period!

Just like your friend, just pretend like you didn't the part that the 'Prince of Peace' will be coming down with 'Archangel's voice' they he is

haddeylium:



Just like your friend, just pretend like you didn't the part that the 'Prince of Peace' will be coming down with 'Archangel's voice' they he is

haddeylium:


Nowhere is the word 'Angel' or 'Archangel' mentioned.

haddeylium:


1. the ARCHANGEL,[/b]Michael as the chief angel and the great royal Prince of angelic princes(Da 8:25)

Da 7:9, 10; Mt 5:22; Jude 9; ; 10:13; 12:1; Re 12:7

Janosky:


Your first point, "God became a man and will remain a man for your sake".
Bros, God went back to heaven to meet himself?

God who came to earth was praying to himself in heaven?

Janosky:


John 5:39, Luke 24:25-27,44, Jesus Christ confirmed the holy scriptures testimony of his person.

hupernikao:

Is this the scriptures under view. Why are you this scattered in discussion. Keep your focus. Go back to what I quote and tell me where Jesus was mentioned there. Or accept and learn.

Janosky:


Bros, your claim is FALSE.

Genesis 4:19 Hebrew 259 lexicon,means "the first", the senior.
@ Daniel 10:13,("one of the chief princes) ,as it applies to Daniel 10:13, means "the head of angels".
Geneva Bible since 1599 confirmed that Hebrew 259 means " the Head of angels", that is Jesus Christ..
Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thess1:7-9, 1Thess 4:16, Revelation 12:7-9, according to your Bible, Bros,who is the head of angels?

Bros, stop posting FALSE claims.

Janosky:


Your Point 3 (bolded)
"Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before.
Your Trinity God is not a being existing somewhere before "
Hupernikao Continue to RUBBISH your own FALSE claims


John 5:39 (compare Luke 24:25-27,44).
".... 39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me."

The old testament testify about Jesus Christ.
Bros, the story of your GIBBERISH is NOT the story of the holy scriptures.



Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Your Trinity mentors says "angel of the Lord (Yahweh)" Genesis 16:7 is the Old Testament's first appearance of the person named "Jesus" in the holy scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
The funny part is how you keep nursing the idea that people from different races all over the earth having the same line of thought numbering millions {John 17:20-23} will come and learn from you when your teaching is not working anywhere except in your own head.
Even Jesus of Nazareth quickly began forming his own group so that at a point in time he had to introduce them as his spiritual family! Matthew 12:46-49
So my friend, anyone can come to the conclusion that he is right while others are wrong, but the one and only EVIDENCE that's undeniable is when what you're saying is working out in a gathering and people are seeing the benefits. Matthew 5:13-16
But in the case where you're only arguing and justifying your personal conclusion on scriptural text, my guy nah OYO you dey! Luke 11:23

haddeylium:

If you going to be civil with your replies and comments, I'll might further this discussion.

haddeylium:
Meaning of Archangel is “chief of the angels.” The prefix “arch” means “chief” . “Archangel” in the Bible is used only in the singular to indicates that there is just one archangel

hupernikao:


Well, I am not discussing for you to agree, nor to determine where you fellowship. But I am giving you things that will always probe your mind whenever you think again on that believe system of Jesus as angel which you hold. That is enough for me. For every text you quote or study now on this, you will see clearer that they weren't speaking about Jesus except by manipulation. But I can't stop you from imagining things.

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Jesus wasnt taught as angel in any text of the scriptures. You can hold your view, but it won't change the fact that it's an erroneous view.

The very scriptures (Malachi 3, Isa 42) you all held that I corrected is the very scriptures that put that man, Jesus as the God of all when taught in proper context of the scriptures.

All you need is a sincere heart and a good reading mind to see this. It takes nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
The case is simple only the organization that's teaching their members how God transformed the life of one of His Spirit Sons (angels) into an embryo in the womb of a virgin that's yielding the positive results of FAITH globally! Matthew 7:16-18
Your argument on FAITH that's not working out what is visible is DEAD {James 2:18-26} so keep meditating on what is being demonstrated globally with fine results because that's what FAITH means not fruitless arguments! Hebrews 11:1

hupernikao:




Now you have left the bible study you called us to have with you. You shouldnt have called people to study when you know you cant defend your belief or convincingly explain what you hold dear.

Well, I am sure i have done enough to clear the doubt in you and your other brethren's hearts here on the issue at hand, this is the reason you have no other scriptures to defend your wrong stand than using strawman argument now. So, when you read Jesus in the NT, always know that is the very God in OT in the flesh.

So, I will prefer to keep my focus on scriptures than going the line you are threading, and since you have all exhausted all your scriptures (there is no scripture actually that support that belief system of Jesus is Angel) , i will then leave you to brood over all that i have said and pointed you to in the cause of this study.

May God's word continue to light up dark places.
Amen.

johnw47:


[s]girlie false jw haddeylium, that confused statment is just a excuse you have given for when you are shown to be wrong
and you have no comeback, like in where you lied and claimed that: [/s]
the bible indicates that there is only one archangel


Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[s]^^ phony jw u tried to teach that "chief princes" is diffrent to "chief angels"
2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/s]

[s]also, the Word come Jesus Christ is not named michael, His name is however
"The Word of God"
[/s]
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


michael is one of the chief angels, however:
the Word is KING of kings and Lord of lords

Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

@ Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, English language copied your Bible from the Hebrew language.

@Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, " one of" is Hebrew 259 lexicon.
Hebrew 259 lexicon, "one of"= "the Head, the first."
JohnW fraud, know this & stop typing GIBBERISH

@Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9, who is "the serpent"?
@Genesis 3:15,1John3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9, Who defeated "the serpent"?

In your Bible Satan bears different names, likewise, Jesus Christ.

JohnW fraud, stop DECEIVING yourself.

hupernikao:


1. Learn to read properly. It's will help your heart.

2. When you don't understand, don't cover up, be honest to ask questions before concluding. Concluding without asking question is dangerous to your heartbeat.

So read again, this time with the right heart.

hupernikao:


The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

Fara e balè nah. You are agitated.

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord of Genesis 16:7-13 &
Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.
@ Genesis chapters 18, 21,22,31.
Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial done cast.

Please show this public forum where God said in the old testament he will send himself to the earth.
Bros, bring proof to show Nairaland.

The ball is rolling in your court.

hupernikao:


The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

Fara e balè nah. You are agitated.


Re: Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 4:41pm On Jun 13
haddeylium
MaxInDHouse
DappaD
Janosky

I want to believe you are of the same belief system and hold the same Bible theology. The reason I will address you together.

The confusion you are having here is simple.

Firstly, you are not reading Bible text the way the author wrote it. You already have a mindset of what the scriptures is saying then now looking for scriptures to justify your stand. That is a wrong way of Bible study


2. You don't interpret scriptures by picking a verse out of its context without using it the way its context used it. Verse only have meaning within its narrative. You don't lift verse to support another verse by neglecting the meaning of same verse in the context where you lifted it from.



Now, let me emphasis what I have been saying since on this thread for you. I will put it in simple grammar to understand.


2. Jesus wasn't mentioned in OT as a name nor did he appeared there as a person. He couldn't if we all read the Bible the right was, as Jesus is a man and not born by then.


3. The OT emphasized the oneness of God all through the OT, yet in God's plan revealed by his prophets in OT, it was evident that God's plan for man is that a man will be born in future as son of God (man) to save man. Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before. It was God himself who will be reveal as the son (man) to humanity

Hupernikao called out JWs on this thread and yab them whereas his DUBIOUS doctrine & FALSE claims was heading for the rocks to fall yakata .

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord ,according to Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.

Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial & DUBIOUS claims done cast.

Janosky:


@ Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, English language copied your Bible from the Hebrew language.

@Daniel 10:13 & Genesis 4:19, " one of" is Hebrew 259 lexicon.
Hebrew 259 lexicon, "one of"= "the Head, the first."
JohnW fraud, know this & stop typing GIBBERISH

@Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9, who is "the serpent"?
@Genesis 3:15,1John3:8 & Revelation 12:7-9, Who defeated "the serpent"?

In your Bible Satan bears different names, likewise, Jesus Christ.

JohnW fraud, stop DECEIVING yourself.

johnw47:


[s]Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

false jw janosky

oh duh dum dum fraud[/s],[/b] michael is one of the chief angels, one of the head angels, one of the first angels, [s]one of the foremost angels,
oh fraud jw twister of truth[/s]



[s]laugh, there is no fool like a know nothing fool[/s]

truly mumu the bible doesn't indicate that there is only one chief angel as you and other false jw's preach
but the opposite is true

Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

[s]2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

^^ denying the Lord: saying He is a created angel, even though it's very clear that the Word of God created everything that is created
nothing was created without Him

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


the reason you false jw's don't post all the verses is because many of them don't relate to what you say, such frauds and deceivers


u say:
who is the serpent
who defeated the serpent
satan bears diffrent names

gibberish gibberish gibberish for proof ha ha ha, you all taught by the same mob


in the beginning the Word created everything:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



in the beginning God created everything:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

of course u fraud jw janosky and other false jw's do the twist big time on all of these God's word[/s]

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Mumu fraud JohnW says "one of the head angels",as if many "head angels" exists in the angelic ranks.


Hupernikao your Trinity Crew member says Jesus his Trinity God of old testament is "angel of the Lord" @Genesis 16:7 & Judges 6:11-14 & 13:3-17.


JohnW GIBBERISH on this thread is of ZERO value since 1599.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is not to be studied for argument sake rather it's to be understood so that people can apply what we're learning to benefit themselves! Isaiah 48:17-18
But when we're only arguing without finding a positive result in any gathering of people then it's of no use studying it at all! 2Timothy 3:5

Janosky:

.
Agreed.
Objective scrutiny of the points made on this thread has exposed the GIBBERISH and FALSE DOCTRINES posited by Hupernikao & his crew members on this thread.

Image123:
Lol. Majamaja, Bible Study abi Bible thumping?

Janosky:


Daniel 10:13-15
1599 Geneva Bible
13 "But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Janosky:
Mumu fraud JohnW says "one of the head angels",as if many "head angels" exists in the angelic ranks.

Janosky:
Hupernikao your Trinity Crew member says Jesus his Trinity God of old testament is "angel of the Lord" @Genesis 16:7 & Judges 6:11-14 & 13:3-17.


JohnW GIBBERISH on this thread is of ZERO value since 1599.

MaxInDHouse:
What hupernikao don't know is that the book (Bible) is for everyone to read through and start developing his/her own point.
Surely each person will see himself making sound comments and quoting verses to support himself. But where an insane is saying things that appears to make sense, his seemingly sound opinion will never be applicable in any human society or gathering. Yet he will continue to argue as his cohorts hail him but what have they achieved?
Well it's arguments! arguments!! arguments!!!
Nothing works out any benefits in the gathering of fools!

MaxInDHouse:
What hupernikao don't know is that the book (Bible) is for everyone to read through and start developing his/her own point.
Surely each person will see himself making sound comments and quoting verses to support himself. But where an insane is saying things that appears to make sense, his seemingly sound opinion will never be applicable in any human society or gathering. Yet he will continue to argue as his cohorts hail him but what have they achieved?
Well it's arguments! arguments!! arguments!!!
Nothing works out any benefits in the gathering of fools!

Maximus69:

it will take at least SIX fully armed military police officers to subdue just one single military intelligence officer of my kind, if it's just one combatant soldier i will make him regret the very day he joined the force but if he's not into martial arts of any kind then i'll make him eat and drink through his anus!

twelve Combatant mobile police officers are just like bloody civilians before one military intelligence officer
like me!

Maximus69:
She's my QUEEN!
For your information, i always shave the hairs in her puSsy because she's mine and mine alone!

Maximus69:
Yes! I can do anything as in ANYTHING for my one and only Trivina!

Maximus69:

Trivina loves fumbling with my own,

Janosky:


.

Agreed.

Objective scrutiny of the points made on this thread has exposed the GIBBERISH and FALSE DOCTRINES posited by Hupernikao & his crew members on this thread.

Janosky:


Hupernikao called out JWs on this thread and yab them whereas his DUBIOUS doctrine & FALSE claims was heading for the rocks to fall yakata .

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord ,according to Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.

Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial & DUBIOUS claims done cast.

Maximus69:

Trivina loves fumbling with my own,

Janosky:


Hupernikao called out JWs on this thread and yab them whereas his DUBIOUS doctrine & FALSE claims was heading for the rocks to fall yakata .

Hupernikao says Jesus his Trinity Gods is the angel of the lord ,according to Genesis 16:7-13 & Judges 6:11-22 & Judges 13:3-17.

Bros, Jesus your "angel of the Lord" denial & DUBIOUS claims done cast.