SO HAPPY FOR YOU VANESSA.

WELCOME TO ISLAM

WELCOME TO LIGHT.

MAY ALLAH'S BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE ABIDE WITH YOU ALWAYS

Childofaking:


Let me tell you Madam Venessa, the devil got you. He is the father of deception. As soon as you went into error, he just left you alone, no more bad dreams, no more oppressions, he will do anything for you to make sure you don't go back to the right way. it would have been the same thing if you had become an atheist, he will still leave you alone.

what of the things you read ijn the Bible, that i am the way the truth and the life, nobody goes to the father except by me, so that is no longer true ? The Quran was written about 500 years after jesus came and you can see the it is just a copy and paste (bad copy) of the things in the bible.

Your theoretical facts has no basis for comparison with my practical experience. You have never been a Muslim but you think you know anything about islam whereas I've been a practicing Muslim for the past four years after being a Christian minister for twenty years . Mind you I know many people who have experienced a drastic change too after reverting to islam. A lady still told me yesterday that she listened to an audio Quran with an ear piece while sleeping and she dreamt that a Python vomited her, I know many people who left islam for christianity because they were preached to but had to run back when they started experiencing serious warfare they never knew they had before, warfare that was impotent now became powerful.
I have just two assignments for you and I need you to complete them and get back to me with your results, if you are right I will believe all your theory. First try to hold and read a bible while on your period if you are a female or get a female close to you to do that at the peak of her period when the blood is really flowing and also do same with a Quran, hold it close and read it for five minutes then note the difference in your body while holding bible and also while holding Quran. If you are able to handle the quran with menstruation without any reaction then I will believe that the quran is a bad copy of the Bible, secondly, I need you to carry out a personal research by practicing islam for just three months, come back and tell me your experience but if you have not done this two you don't have any basis for lecturing me. Imagine the visitor trying to show the road to an indigene. I also address as many of you who feel they have a basis for arguing with me. If you cannot do this two and bring your experience then we are not on the same table. Experience is the best teacher

motayoayinde:
SO HAPPY FOR YOU VANESSA.

WELCOME TO ISLAM

WELCOME TO LIGHT.

MAY ALLAH'S BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE ABIDE WITH YOU ALWAYS

Allahumo aamiin, and you too

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



I SEE NO REASON TO BELIEVE ANY PART OF THIS STORY, BECAUSE IT GOES QUITE AGAINST WHAT I KNOW OF CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, AND SPIRITUALITY.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32-13:5.

32. What thing soever
I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
IF there arise among you a Prophet,
or a Dreamer of Dreams,
and giveth thee a Sign or a Wonder,
2. And the Sign or
the Wonder come to pass,
whereof he spake unto thee,
saying,

"LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS,
WHICH THOU HAST NOT KNOWN,
AND LET US SERVE THEM;"

3. Thou shalt not hearken unto
The Words of that Prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams:
for The LORD your God proveth you,
to know whether ye love
The LORD your God
with all your heart
and with all your soul.
4. Ye shall walk after
The LORD your God,
and fear Him,
and keep His Commandments,
and obey His Voice,
and ye shall serve Him,
and cleave unto Him.
5. And that prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams,
shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken
to turn you away
from The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the Land of Egypt,
and Redeemed you
out of the House of Bondage,
to thrust thee out of The Way
which The LORD thy God
Commanded thee to walk in.



WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE BORN AGAIN? WHAT THE OYINBOS TELL US IS "BORN AGAIN" IS NOT THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE LORD YESHUA OFFERS.

. JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus,
a Ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus
by night,
and said unto him,

"Rabbi, we know
that thou art a Teacher
come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles
that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN
BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

4. Nicodemus saith unto him,

"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus Answered,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CAN NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

6. "That which is Born
of the Flesh
is flesh;
and that which is Born
of The Spirit
is spirit.
7. "Marvel not
that I Said unto thee,

'YE MUST BE
BORN AGAIN.'

8. "The wind bloweth
where it listeth,
and thou hearest
the sound thereof,
but canst not tell
whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one
that is Born of The Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered
and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
and knowest not
these things?
11. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK
THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY
THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT
OUR WITNESS.'

12. "If I have told you
Earthly Things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you
of Heavenly Things?
13. "And no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the Serpent in the Wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man
be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever
believeth in him
should not perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved
the World,
that He gave
His only Begotten Son,
that whosoever
believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son
into the World
to Condemn the World;
but that the World through him
might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth in him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned Already,
because he hath not
believed in
The Name of The Only
Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'

20. "For every one
that doeth Evil
hateth The Light,
neither cometh
to The Light,
lest his deeds
should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds
may be manifest,
that they are
wrought in God."

"BORN AGAIN" IN NORTHERN ARAMAIC MEANS: "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." NICODEMUS SPOKE SOUTHERN ARAMAIC, AND HENCE DID NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS. [Footnote to JOHN 3:3,5 in the Lamsa Peshitta Bible.]

IF YOUR THOUGHTS AND HABITS WERE NOT CHANGED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD- THEN YOU WERE NOT BORN OF GOD.

For instance- if you believe Lord Yeshua is The Christ, because somebody told you, then you are not Born of God.



IT IS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A "HOME FELLOWSHIP LEADER," "PRAYER WARRIOR," "EVANGELIST," OR A "FOLLOW-UP COUNSELLOR," AND HAVE "NOTHING GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE."

Even a " SANCTUARY CLEANER" has room to learn important things. In Oriental Martial Arts Schools, when you barge in begging for tutelage, according to legend, they make you their cleaner. If you complain that you are not learning what you came for, they prove to you that you have made more progress than you thought.

You don't know what any of those terms mean, because you only know their dictionary definitions, at best- you haven't lived them.

How can you have a "job," and say that "nothing was going on in your life?"

What a foolish lie!

Your story is a fabrication.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is
The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather
grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'

23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'

24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise Man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26 . "And every one
that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish Man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had
ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

CHURCH ACTIVITIES- EVEN THE WORKING OF MIRACLES- ARE MEANINGLESS, IF ONE DOES NOT KEEP LORD YESHUA'S COMMANDMENTS.



THIS IS GIBBERISH- MERE STRINGING TOGETHER TECHNICAL TERMS YOU JUST HEARD OTHER PEOPLE USE!

What is a "WITCHCRAFT ATTACK?"

What is a "FAMILIAR SPIRIT?"

What is an "ANCESTRAL CURSE?"

How can a Christian have "FAMILY IDOL?"

You must be an idiot to claim all these, and then say, NOTHING WAS HAPPENING IN YOUR LIFE!

. MATTHEW 12:22-45.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the Blind and Dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"IS NOT THIS
THE SON OF DAVID?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out Devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus
knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
Therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by The Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
And then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'

32. "And whosoever speaketh
a Word against
The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the Abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36.But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy Words
thou shalt be Justified,
and by thy Words thou shalt be Condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes
and of the Pharisees answered,
saying,

"Master,
we would see
a Sign from thee."

39. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"An Evil and
Adulterous Generation
seeketh after a Sign;
and there shall no Sign
be given to it,
but The Sign of
the Prophet Jonas:
40. "For as Jonas was
three days and three nights
in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of Man
be three days
and three nights
in the heart of the Earth.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."



YOU CLAIM TO HAVE GRADUATED IN SOMETHING, AND BEEN MARRIED FOR FOUR YEARS- WHILE "NOTHING WAS GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE!"

.    JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

A CHRISTIAN WHO DOES LORD YESHUA'S TEACHINGS ACHIEVES THE TRUTH, AND BECOMES FREE.



THE PRIORITY OF A CHRISTIAN IS TO PRAY TO KNOW LORD YESHUA- NOT A HUSBAND.

You are telling us to believe, that you went to Christian Programmes and Churches, with thousands of members, and couldn't find a Husband?



I USED TO FALL ILL TO MALARIA EVERY THREE MONTHS- FOR FIVE YEARS, I HEALED MYSELF THROUGH PRAYER.

Then I found the Minister who taught T.L. OSBORN- FRANKLIN HALL- whom my Church didn't want us to know about.

THREE DAYS OF FASTING immunizes against MALARIA for 30 days- in my personal experience.

I have never had Typhoid.

Why did you keep drinking Dirty Water, and/or eating Dirty Food?

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU JOIN RCCG- WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER MISSED A HOLY GHOST SERVICE IN FOUR YEARS?

Where was your Church- in THE TWILIGHT ZONE?



HOW DOES A WOMAN EVANGELIST NOTICE THE HOLY GHOST IN THE TEMPLE OF THE FALSE RELIGION, ISLAM??

Are we talking about the same "ISLAM" here?

The one that denies that Lord Yeshua was crucified, or resurrected from the dead?

The Religion that authorizes a man to Bleep his wife after she has died.

The Religion that authorizes the fucking of cattle- even after they have died?

The Religion whose god does nothing for the women who contract gonorrhea from their husbands fucking animals, so that they go blind, and pass the disease on to their newborn children?

You are saying that the Holy Ghost that Heals Christians is in that Religion, too?

You cannot know what you are talking about.



AFTER YEARS AS A CHRISTIAN, YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND SINGING IN CHURCH BEFORE THE DI-CALLED HOLY GHOST MANIFESTED- BUT, YOU CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND FROM BEING IN A MOSQUE?

Your testimony is consistent with Devil-Possessed Insanity.

WHAT did you "understand?"



ANYONE WHO IS SPIRITUALLY-SENSITIVE, GOING INTO A DEVIL-POSSESSED ZONE, WITHOUT GOD WILL COME UNDER SPIRITUAL ATTACK- AND COULD DIE.

This happened to T.L. OSBORN, when he first went to India.

The same thing later happened to MORRIS CERULLO.

[See: T.L. OSBORN AND DAISY OSBORN TELL THEIR STORY.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PlA4aK6VAOA

THE BACKSIDE OF SATAN, by Morris Cerullo (1973).]

I will like to really commend you for all your trouble putting down such long epistle. You quoted Bible verses to disprove all my arguments. I hope you know that there is hardly nothing in this life that you cannot find a bible verse to support or disprove, because it is Logos, the general word of God to humanity or to a particular person in the bible, now you need to get Rhema, which is the word of God to you in your situation, which form the basis of my convertion to islam in the first place. You cannot quote that because God gave mary a child through the Holy spirit then it must be so for you, getting you own Rhema could involve God pointing you to a bible verse and you will know you actually received that bible verse or you have a dream or vision, it could be audible voice or inspiration in your mind and you will know it is the Holy spirit. You need to back up your arguments with that, if not you are just beating around the bush, try and find out if there is God in Islam, the bible says deep calleth into deep, if you really have God you can hear Him, carry out that assignment and get back to me, better still practice islam for just three months and find out if there is God in it . Stop making assumptions. I had to pass several test in the wilderness before islam was revealed to me, it's by the mercy of God.

vannessa7:


Your theoretical facts has no basis for comparison with my practical experience. You have never been a Muslim but you think you know anything about islam whereas I've been a practicing Muslim for the past four years after being a Christian minister for twenty years . Mind you I know many people who have experienced a drastic change too after reverting to islam. A lady still told me yesterday that she listened to an audio Quran with an ear piece while sleeping and she dreamt that a Python vomited her, I know many people who left islam for christianity because they were preached to but had to run back when they started experiencing serious warfare they never knew they had before, warfare that was impotent now became powerful.
I have just two assignments for you and I need you to complete them and get back to me with your results, if you are right I will believe all your theory. First try to hold and read a bible while on your period if you are a female or get a female close to you to do that at the peak of her period when the blood is really flowing and also do same with a Quran, hold it close and read it for five minutes then note the difference in your body while holding bible and also while holding Quran. If you are able to handle the quran with menstruation without any reaction then I will believe that the quran is a bad copy of the Bible, secondly, I need you to carry out a personal research by practicing islam for just three months, come back and tell me your experience but if you have not done this two you don't have any basis for lecturing me. Imagine the visitor trying to show the road to an indigene. I also address as many of you who feel they have a basis for arguing with me. If you cannot do this two and bring your experience then we are not on the same table. Experience is the best teacher

What you are recommending i do are occultic practices, i can as well go to an idol shrine to test their powers, they have powers too.
I have experienced the power of Jesus in a practical way, not theories, i have prayed and received answers to prayers, i have received healing for my body, i have prayed for job and God told me when the job will come. But what if i didn't receive those things, does it make God a liar, no.

You are basing your conviction of the authenticity of your new faith on the fact of the deliverance or material prosperity you have received. Our salvation is not based on material possession,. Like i said earlier one of the quickest ways to make the devil leave you alone is to profess there is no God or go into error(like you have done), the devil will give you space or prosper you, he is only preserving you for your doom.

Don't you know that when you in the right way the devil fights you? If the devil has stopped fighting you, then you have missed it.

There is only one way to salvation and that is through believe in the only begotten son of God.

Childofaking:


What you are recommending i do are occultic practices, i can as well go to an idol shrine to test their powers, they have powers too.
I have experienced the power of Jesus in a practical way, not theories, i have prayed and received answers to prayers, i have received healing for my body, i have prayed for job and God told me when the job will come. But what if i didn't receive those things, does it make God a liar, no.

You are basing your conviction of the authenticity of your new faith on the fact of the deliverance or material prosperity you have received. Our salvation is not based on material possession,. Like i said earlier one of the quickest ways to make the devil leave you alone is to profess there is no God or go into error(like you have done), the devil will give you space or prosper you, he is only preserving you for your doom.

Don't you know that when you in the right way the devil fights you? If the devil has stopped fighting you, then you have missed it.

There is only one way to salvation and that is through believe in the only begotten son of God.

I did not refer to christianity but islam which you proclaim to be satanic without any basis. FYI every Muslim is also a christian, we Muslim own three books of God, the old testament, (Torah), the new testament,(ingeel), and the Quran, God said he sent all those books and we must believe in them to. So Muslim has no doubt that God originated christianity and the power of God is in it, but it's the many errors introduced into the bible through the various interpretations and also human angle viewpoints in it that we are warned to beware of, also the same way the covenant of judaism, old testament, is different from that of christianity, new testament, is the same way the covenant of islam Quran is different. I wrote about the very many miracles I experienced as a christian, I don't think you really went through all my write-up before replying because I never said there is no power of God in christianity.

As for saying practicing islam is like occult, that's just the product of a lazy mind, you think if we are in a court of law your submissions will just be accepted without verification even when you refused to believe or accept the voice of experience. You are living in fantasy, your ignorance will not make the truth go away.

vannessa7:

As for saying practicing islam is like occult, that's just the product of a lazy mind, you think if we are in a court of law your submissions will just be accepted without verification even when you refused to believe or accept the voice of experience. You are living in fantasy, your ignorance will not make the truth go away.

But he is right by that assertion. Your conclusion that every Muslim is also a Christian is akin to declaring them idol worshippers by Christian standards.

God is a God of Laws and His Laws are absolute implying that in no way are you to add to His Law other teachings either from other Laws or from the doctrines and traditions of men. Jesus Christ, is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. So, adding even islamic doctrines and traditions to the Law that is Jesus Christ is a sin. I.e. antiChrist in practice.

Kobojunkie:
But he is right by that assertion. Your conclusion that every Muslim is also a Christian is akin to declaring them idol worshippers by Christian standards.

God is a God of Laws and His Laws are absolute implying that in no way are you to add to His Law other teachings either from other Laws or from the doctrines and traditions of men. Jesus Christ, is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. So, adding even islamic doctrines and traditions to the Law that is Jesus Christ is a sin. I.e. antiChrist in practice.

Judaism started almost 4000 years ago while christianity is 2000 years old, they did not start the same time yet christianity has imbibe many of the rules and injunctions of judaism except for the ones that mark the core difference between them such as animal sacrifice and Jesus sacrifice. The old testament is mostly attached to the new testament and the christians accept it because they have evidence in their text which refer them to the old testament and confirms they are from the same source, I understand those still practicing judaism also disprove the authenticity of christianity just like christians are disproving islam now. If christians recognize and accept judaism as being from God reading and believing the words in it without seeing it as idolatry, islam also being the last in line see and accept christianity and judaism as part of us because the quran said so and it's one of the qualifications for being a Muslim, God is one and all His books say so. The three religion are God's attempt at drawing mankind unto Him after the fall of man, they just stand on different covenants and different mode of worshipping the same God. No matter how nigerian christians shout and disdain Islam, it will not change what islam is or make islam disappear, and christians will not and cannot teach God how to run the world.

Salam alaikum waramatullahi wabarakatuhu.
@Op. Your personal story that led to your revert to Islam may not be the most glamorous of all lol. But one important fact that is attributed to Islam mostly is about the revelation of the divine truth; as revealed to our prophet Mohammed (pbuh), the existence of the one true sovereign God Almighty of which Jesus a messiah translated Christ, spoke highly of the exaltation of that same one true God Almighty during and throughout his ministry on earth. Yes...I'm a new muslim revert; and having done Christianity for many years and read the Holy Bible I could auzubillah beat my tiny chest and challenge my fellow Christian people that they should mention where is there ever recorded in the Holy Bible that Jesus said he is God and the people should worship him?
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.
Jesus Christ was created by God and he was not the creature himself! Therefore,
Jesus Christ is the son of Mary fashioned out of her immaculate womb, not conceived by man but of the holy spirit that I believe as a muslim.

Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, serve God, *Matthew 4:10, *Luke 4:8 my Lord and your Lord." *Mark 12:29, *John 20:17 Indeed, he who associates others with God - God has certainly forbidden the Garden for him, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are no helpers for the wrongdoers.

All credits and all accounts of attributing Jesus Christ to God made flesh that walked on the face of the earth goes to Paul of tarsus, who wrote a greater portions of the bible, about 12 books of the new testament as a result of his alleged conversion from the self-proclaimed position of a bounty hunter of Judaism faith, a murder-facilitator [ because he witnessed the stoning of saint Stephen by which according to the Jewish law, the witnesses were first ones to throw the stones. They were the leading executioners ], prosecutor of Christians to a strong advocate of the early Christian faith and movement. Paul of tarsus was no doubt the originator of Christianity because it was his doctrines and teachings that gave birth to the churches you see everywhere around you today.
And let it be noted here that Jesus, the messiah translated 'Christ' never founded any religion but his mission only was to fulfill the prophecy as foreseen by prophet Isaiah 53:3-12. And never during his ministry on earth has he made, let or asked anyone to worship him.

And from among all of the names made in reference to him in the holy bible;
Jesus.
Emmanuel.
Christ.
Lord.
Master.
Logos (the Word)
Son of God.
Son of man:
The son of man as referred to jesus Christ though the Bible does not define its exact meaning, the title "Son of Man" probably refers to the fact that Jesus was perfect humanity literally meaning a human being and was mentioned 81 times in the new testament. Yes!
The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: 30 times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, 25 times in Luke and 12 times in John.
Sixty-nine times in the Synoptic Gospels Jesus calls himself (the) "Son of man", a Greek expression which in its Aramaic (and Hebrew) background could be an oblique way for indicating the speaker's own self (e.g., Matt 8:20), or else simply mean "someone" or "a human being" (as in Ps 8:4, where it is a poetic variant.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter the Son of man will sit on the right hand of the power of God
Luke 22:48
But Jesus said to him, "Judas, do you betray the Son of man with a kiss?" and
Mark 2:27-28, Matthew 12:8 and Luke 6:5.


Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was nothing but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was truthful. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the signs clear to them; then look how they [ the followers of christ that are saying he is the son of God ] are deluded.

Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O isles, to me; and listen, you people, from afar; the Lord has called me [son of Man, i.e a mere human being] from the womb; He has made mention of my name [Jesus Christ] from the bowels of my mother [Mary].

And it's for the same reason the people wanted him to die for refusing to reaffirm to them that he's the son of God or the king sent from heaven.
I love Jesus Christ too...far more than many today christians and several church-goers. I believe in his miraculous birth and I believe he's a messiah translated Christ sent by God Almighty.
If you read the Bible carefully, you will understand why Jesus Christ never replied directly or gave a straight answer to the multitude, pilates or anyone calling him son of God and he never objects to the title. Yes! It's all there in your holy book.
In Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22 Jesus allows himself to be called the Son of God by the voice from above, not objecting to the title.

Luke 22:70-71
Then they all said, "Are you then the son of God?" And he said to them, "You say that I am......"
Mark 8:29-30
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Peter answered and said to Him, “You are the Christ.”
Then He strictly warned them that they should tell no one about Him.

Somebody here said that the followers of islam are not tormented frequently by the devil...since they are heading into the path of destruction already and bla bla bla... Hold thy tongue! Mr?
Fyi, satan torment and is working to deviate the true followers of Islam everyday also....and the Qur'an says that we should avoid at all costs the footsteps of the devil.

What's there not to understand from that holy scriptural verse.“You who believe enter Islam totally. Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan he is an outright enemy to you.” (Qur’an, 2:208)
“Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship.” (Qur’an, 2:185)
Why then as a true muslim must I suffer in the hands and torments of satan 24/7 when subhana Allah has not permitted him or willed it for me?
I have so many other things to say and argue about for argument's sake with quotations from your own bible scriptures alone to backup my claims. I won't even open the Holy Qur'an for them [christians] but will only recites verses from it and face before you people with the divine truth and facts so you all may see clearly this signs. To my op. Sis may Allah reward you exceedingly with much abundance of gifts..
Jazakallah khairan to you all.

vannessa7:

Judaism started almost 4000 years ago while christianity is 2000 years old, they did not start the same time yet christianity has imbibe many of the rules and injunctions of judaism except for the ones that mark the core difference between them such as animal sacrifice and Jesus sacrifice. The old testament is mostly attached to the new testament and the christians accept it because they have evidence in their text which refer them to the old testament and confirms they are from the same source, I understand those still practicing judaism also disprove the authenticity of christianity just like christians are disproving islam now. If christians recognize and accept judaism as being from God reading and believing the words in it without seeing it as idolatry, islam also being the last in line see and accept christianity and judaism as part of us because the quran said so and it's one of the qualifications for being a Muslim, God is one and all His books say so. The three religion are God's attempt at drawing mankind unto Him after the fall of man, they just stand on different covenants and different mode of worshipping the same God. No matter how nigerian christians shout and disdain Islam, it will not change what islam is or make islam disappear, and christians will not and cannot teach God how to run the world.

I think I already explained to you about the differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses - details of which are housed in the Books of Exodus, Leviticus, Number and Deuteronomy - and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ - details found written down in Matthew Mark, Luke and John - where the former is a Law defined by God specifically for those who are descended from Jacob, as Law in the land of Cannaan, whereas the latter is God's Law in the Kingdom of God for those who will choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

It is against God to attempt to add to * or remove from ** God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. That act amounts to idolatry, sin against God Himself as it is a blatant attempt by those who do so to usurp God's authority. In the same manner, it is against God to attempt to add to * or remove from ** God's New Covenant Law, as this, again, amounts to idolatry. an act against God Himself.

God's Covenants/Laws are everlasting contracts separately defined, and rightly so, between God and man/ peoples and the expectation is complete Trust and obedience to the terms and conditions from those bound to the individual Covenant.

So when you assert that Muslims, those who abide by a separate set of rules order than the very rules set by the Covenant Jesus Christ, are also Christians, what you do is declare Muslims idol worshipers who attempt to worship God by sinning against Him - antichrist.

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FYI Jesus Christ's death on the cross had absolutely to do with animal sacrifices of old. His death was for a completely different reason than what you hear from popular doctrines and traditions of men floating out there. You claim to have been a Christian for 20 years yet you seem so filled with the doctrines and traditions of men, which Jesus Christ warned were nothing but lies that are meant to decieve many away from the Truth of God,nullifying the power of God their lives as a result.

Animal sacrifices are defined of the Old Covenant but in the New Covenant, they are of no use since this is a different law from the Old - different rules, blessings, curses, rituals, seals, promises, etc.

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* doctrines and teachings of men
** laws, teachings, rituals, curses, blessings etc. that can be removed from the terms and conditions of specified Law

@vannessa7...I don't know but somehow I saw this thread and read it all. Anyway here's my deduction.

-You were a muslim before you ventured into Christianity.
- You only went back to your original practice.

As a woman, there is one thing I know, when courting, dating or whatever, people tend to meet people who are within the same social circle. That is why it very rare but not impossible for Christians to meet muslims as spouses and vice versa.

The only reason you were meeting Muslim suitors is because you have an association with them, from friends, family and other acquaintances.

That aside, I'm 100% sure that it was not afflictions that sent you away from the church. I've met people who within a 5 minutes discussion, will tell you how someone from their family, a friend or colleague is using witchcraft powers on them.

Some will even tell you that they have taken their glory or what not. The point is they are always suspicious of everybody. And attribute real life challenges with spiritual warefare. Hence the reason they move from place to place looking for solutions. I'm not saying you didn't have challenges, I'm just saying what I know. Pastors are always happy to prey on people who come with problems that are not problems. They'll exploit you, frustrate you.

As for the suspicious nature, you end up picking quarrels with people, thinking people and distancing yourself from them. This also will drive you away from the church because you will feel that they are either not spiritual enough or they have offended you.

Another thing I can say is, from the little I know of Pentecostal churches, everyone is grouped in a ministry. If you claimed to be an envagelist, then you completely missed out what your role was in the church. Evangelists don't do healing and miracle ( not that it can't happen but that's not their area of speciality). Envagelists operate as gospel preachers, they are like the voice in the wilderness calling people to repent and give their life to Christ.

Healing and miracles, is done by the Holy Spirit, in an atmosphere of praise, worship and intercession. Which means other people with these giftings also play their role.

Seeing exam results, seeing things that come to pass, that's a prophetic gift given by the Holy Spirit. It's given by God to bring comfort to his children. I usually say, it's a way God tells us, he is walking with us everyday and never leaves us.

Then another thing I will tell you is that you don't believe the Bible, you claim to read. I don't read the Bible as much as you do so don't expect any debate. But I know that the Quran and the Bible conflict with each other. And I also know that it would take a lot to make me unlearn all that I have learned about God today. I don't agree with everything I read but at the same time I don't know how you did it.

The foundation of Christianity is that Jesus Christ came as flesh through Mary, Was Crucified and died, Rose on the 3rd day and Ascended. That is the gospel and infact that is what every evangelist preaches right up to the point where they tell you Jesus is coming back again. So how you completely believed that Jesus didn't die on the cross is what prompted me to say, you were from a Muslim home before you came to the church. It's one of the most difficult things to remove from any past or present Christian's mind.

Anyway, Like I always say God is not Christian or Muslim, neither is Jesus Christ. But one thing is clear God is the Almighty, Jesus is the light of the world. I know that without him, you can't be saved.


I know that he is an embodiment of holiness and you cannot even compare him with the prophets of old. I also know that you know all of this.

So if you have put aside everything you know about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is your choice and like everyone here, we all have choices.

I also know that trials and tribulations never end. At different stages in life we all fight different battles. But why you choose to lie by giving a false sense of peace, I don't know.

But I can tell you are not saying the whole truth and I'm not here to judge you. It's your truth and not mine. I've only written my opinion about everything I read and probably forget it before midday.

peggywebbs:
@vannessa7...I don't know but somehow I saw this thread and read it all. Anyway here's my deduction.

-You were a muslim before you ventured into Christianity.
- You only went back to your original practice.

As a woman, there is one thing I know, when courting, dating or whatever, people tend to meet people who are within the same social circle. That is why it very rare but not impossible for Christians to meet muslims as spouses and vice versa.

The only reason you were meeting Muslim suitors is because you have an association with them, from friends, family and other acquaintances.

That aside, I'm 100% sure that it was not afflictions that sent you away from the church. I've met people who within a 5 minutes discussion, will tell you how someone from their family, a friend or colleague is using witchcraft powers on them.

Some will even tell you that they have taken their glory or what not. The point is they are always suspicious of everybody. And attribute real life challenges with spiritual warefare. Hence the reason they move from place to place looking for solutions. I'm not saying you didn't have challenges, I'm just saying what I know. Pastors are always happy to prey on people who come with problems that are not problems. They'll exploit you, frustrate you.

As for the suspicious nature, you end up picking quarrels with people, thinking people and distancing yourself from them. This also will drive you away from the church because you will feel that they are either not spiritual enough or they have offended you.

Another thing I can say is, from the little I know of Pentecostal churches, everyone is grouped in a ministry. If you claimed to be an envagelist, then you completely missed out what your role was in the church. Evangelists don't do healing and miracle ( not that it can't happen but that's not their area of speciality). Envagelists operate as gospel preachers, they are like the voice in the wilderness calling people to repent and give their life to Christ.

Healing and miracles, is done by the Holy Spirit, in an atmosphere of praise, worship and intercession. Which means other people with these giftings also play their role.

Seeing exam results, seeing things that come to pass, that's a prophetic gift given by the Holy Spirit. It's given by God to bring comfort to his children. I usually say, it's a way God tells us, he is walking with us everyday and never leaves us.

Then another thing I will tell you is that you don't believe the Bible, you claim to read. I don't read the Bible as much as you do so don't expect any debate. But I know that the Quran and the Bible conflict with each other. And I also know that it would take a lot to make me unlearn all that I have learned about God today. I don't agree with everything I read but at the same time I don't know how you did it.

The foundation of Christianity is that Jesus Christ came as flesh through Mary, Was Crucified and died, Rose on the 3rd day and Ascended. That is the gospel and infact that is what every evangelist preaches right up to the point where they tell you Jesus is coming back again. So how you completely believed that Jesus didn't die on the cross is what prompted me to say, you were from a Muslim home before you came to the church. It's one of the most difficult things to remove from any past or present Christian's mind.

Anyway, Like I always say God is not Christian or Muslim, neither is Jesus Christ. But one thing is clear God is the Almighty, Jesus is the light of the world. I know that without him, you can't be saved.


I know that he is an embodiment of holiness and you cannot even compare him with the prophets of old. I also know that you know all of this.

So if you have put aside everything you know about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is your choice and like everyone here, we all have choices.

I also know that trials and tribulations never end. At different stages in life we all fight different battles. But why you choose to lie by giving a false sense of peace, I don't know.

But I can tell you are not saying the whole truth and I'm not here to judge you. It's your truth and not mine. I've only written my opinion about everything I read and probably forget it before midday.

Like you said it's all your opinion, you are free to air it.

Kobojunkie:
I think I already explained to you about the differences between the Old Covenant Law of Moses - details of which are housed in the Books of Exodus, Leviticus, Number and Deuteronomy - and the New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ - details found written down in Matthew Mark, Luke and John - where the former is a Law defined by God specifically for those who are descended from Jacob, as Law in the land of Cannaan, whereas the latter is God's Law in the Kingdom of God for those who will choose to believe in Jesus Christ.

It is against God to attempt to add to * or remove from ** God's Old Covenant Law of Moses. That act amounts to idolatry, sin against God Himself as it is a blatant attempt by those who do so to usurp God's authority. In the same manner, it is against God to attempt to add to * or remove from ** God's New Covenant Law, as this, again, amounts to idolatry. an act against God Himself.

God's Covenants/Laws are everlasting contracts separately defined, and rightly so, between God and man/ peoples and the expectation is complete Trust and obedience to the terms and conditions from those bound to the individual Covenant.

So when you assert that Muslims, those who abide by a separate set of rules order than the very rules set by the Covenant Jesus Christ, are also Christians, what you do is declare Muslims idol worshipers who attempt to worship God by sinning against Him - antichrist.

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FYI Jesus Christ's death on the cross had absolutely to do with animal sacrifices of old. His death was for a completely different reason than what you hear from popular doctrines and traditions of men floating out there. You claim to have been a Christian for 20 years yet you seem so filled with the doctrines and traditions of men, which Jesus Christ warned were nothing but lies that are meant to decieve many away from the Truth of God,nullifying the power of God their lives as a result.

Animal sacrifices are defined of the Old Covenant but in the New Covenant, they are of no use since this is a different law from the Old - different rules, blessings, curses, rituals, seals, promises, etc.

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* doctrines and teachings of men
** laws, teachings, rituals, curses, blessings etc. that can be removed from the terms and conditions of specified Law

You are welcome to stick to your beliefs

vannessa7:
You are welcome to stick to your beliefs

Yet again, this isn't about my belief but what the very bible you claim to have supposedly been apprised of for a period of 20 years says. Unfortunately, many choose to believe instead in mans doctrines and traditions, interpretations, than what is in fact written and expressed by the authors of the books contained in it.

MrCodeSolo:
Salam alaikum waramatullahi wabarakatuhu.
@Op. Your personal story that led to your revert to Islam may not be the most glamorous of all lol. But one important fact that is attributed to Islam mostly is about the revelation of the divine truth; as revealed to our prophet Mohammed (pbuh), the existence of the one true sovereign God Almighty of which Jesus a messiah translated Christ, spoke highly of the exaltation of that same one true God Almighty during and throughout his ministry on earth. Yes...I'm a new muslim revert; and having done Christianity for many years and read the Holy Bible I could auzubillah beat my tiny chest and challenge my fellow Christian people that they should mention where is there ever recorded in the Holy Bible that Jesus said he is God and the people should worship him?
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.
Jesus Christ was created by God and he was not the creature himself! Therefore,
Jesus Christ is the son of Mary fashioned out of her immaculate womb, not conceived by man but of the holy spirit that I believe as a muslim.

Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, serve God, *Matthew 4:10, *Luke 4:8 my Lord and your Lord." *Mark 12:29, *John 20:17 Indeed, he who associates others with God - God has certainly forbidden the Garden for him, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are no helpers for the wrongdoers.

All credits and all accounts of attributing Jesus Christ to God made flesh that walked on the face of the earth goes to Paul of tarsus, who wrote a greater portions of the bible, about 12 books of the new testament as a result of his alleged conversion from the self-proclaimed position of a bounty hunter of Judaism faith, a murder-facilitator [ because he witnessed the stoning of saint Stephen by which according to the Jewish law, the witnesses were first ones to throw the stones. They were the leading executioners ], prosecutor of Christians to a strong advocate of the early Christian faith and movement. Paul of tarsus was no doubt the originator of Christianity because it was his doctrines and teachings that gave birth to the churches you see everywhere around you today.
And let it be noted here that Jesus, the messiah translated 'Christ' never founded any religion but his mission only was to fulfill the prophecy as foreseen by prophet Isaiah 53:3-12. And never during his ministry on earth has he made, let or asked anyone to worship him.

And from among all of the names made in reference to him in the holy bible;
Jesus.
Emmanuel.
Christ.
Lord.
Master.
Logos (the Word)
Son of God.
Son of man:
The son of man as referred to jesus Christ though the Bible does not define its exact meaning, the title "Son of Man" probably refers to the fact that Jesus was perfect humanity literally meaning a human being and was mentioned 81 times in the new testament. Yes!
The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: 30 times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, 25 times in Luke and 12 times in John.
Sixty-nine times in the Synoptic Gospels Jesus calls himself (the) "Son of man", a Greek expression which in its Aramaic (and Hebrew) background could be an oblique way for indicating the speaker's own self (e.g., Matt 8:20), or else simply mean "someone" or "a human being" (as in Ps 8:4, where it is a poetic variant.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter the Son of man will sit on the right hand of the power of God
Luke 22:48
But Jesus said to him, "Judas, do you betray the Son of man with a kiss?" and
Mark 2:27-28, Matthew 12:8 and Luke 6:5.


Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was nothing but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was truthful. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the signs clear to them; then look how they [ the followers of christ that are saying he is the son of God ] are deluded.

Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O isles, to me; and listen, you people, from afar; the Lord has called me [son of Man, i.e a mere human being] from the womb; He has made mention of my name [Jesus Christ] from the bowels of my mother [Mary].

And it's for the same reason the people wanted him to die for refusing to reaffirm to them that he's the son of God or the king sent from heaven.
I love Jesus Christ too...far more than many today christians and several church-goers. I believe in his miraculous birth and I believe he's a messiah translated Christ sent by God Almighty.
If you read the Bible carefully, you will understand why Jesus Christ never replied directly or gave a straight answer to the multitude, pilates or anyone calling him son of God and he never objects to the title. Yes! It's all there in your holy book.
In Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22 Jesus allows himself to be called the Son of God by the voice from above, not objecting to the title.

Luke 22:70-71
Then they all said, "Are you then the son of God?" And he said to them, "You say that I am......"
Mark 8:29-30
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Peter answered and said to Him, “You are the Christ.”
Then He strictly warned them that they should tell no one about Him.

Somebody here said that the followers of islam are not tormented frequently by the devil...since they are heading into the path of destruction already and bla bla bla... Hold thy tongue! Mr?
Fyi, satan torment and is working to deviate the true followers of Islam everyday also....and the Qur'an says that we should avoid at all costs the footsteps of the devil.

What's there not to understand from that holy scriptural verse.“You who believe enter Islam totally. Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan he is an outright enemy to you.” (Qur’an, 2:208)
“Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship.” (Qur’an, 2:185)
Why then as a true muslim must I suffer in the hands and torments of satan 24/7 when subhana Allah has not permitted him or willed it for me?
I have so many other things to say and argue about for argument's sake with quotations from your own bible scriptures alone to backup my claims. I won't even open the Holy Qur'an for them [christians] but will only recites verses from it and face before you people with the divine truth and facts so you all may see clearly this signs. To my op. Sis may Allah reward you exceedingly with much abundance of gifts..
Jazakallah khairan to you all.

Masha Allah Sister, amen to your prayers, may Allah (swa) continue to guide you and shine His light on your path. Nigerian Christians have been brainwashed by their Pastors so much that they are not open to other possibilities, they feel they have God figured out and God cannot do any new thing again. I used to be like that so I'm not really surprised. Jummat Mubarak

vannessa7:


Masha Allah Sister, amen to your prayers, may Allah (swa) continue to guide you and shine His light on your path. Nigerian Christians have been brainwashed by their Pastors so much that they are not open to other possibilities, they feel they have God figured out and God cannot do any new thing again. I used to be like that so I'm not really surprised. Jummat Mubarak

Nigerian Christians and possible issues aside, in the Bible, God Himself declared that the New thing He had to do was in the person of Jesus Christ, and this He declared from the them of Abraham with which to bless all the nations of the world with. So your assumption that God would have more new things to do, this even after blessing the entire world, amounts to assuming God as being no much different from humans, with no clear idea of the future and needing to make new plans to tackle new challenges. The authors in the Bible Bible you instead that that isn't who God - He knows the end from the beginning and so is never playing catchup.

God doing a new thing stands in contradiction of God's own Word - this is what the authors of the Bible tell you. And we know God God not a liar, neither is He man that He should change His mind on who He is.

Kobojunkie:
Nigerian Christians and possible issues aside, in the Bible, God Himself declared that the New thing He had to do was in the person of Jesus Christ, and this He declared from the them of Abraham with which to bless all the nations of the world with. So your assumption that God would have more new things to do, this even after blessing the entire world, amounts to assuming God as being no much different from humans, with no clear idea of the future and needing to make new plans to tackle new challenges. The authors in the Bible Bible you instead that that isn't who God - He knows the end from the beginning and so is never playing catchup.

Why don't you start your own thread instead of obsessing over my thread. In case you are not aware, repeating a lie ten thousand times will not suddenly make it the truth. To as many of you that strongly oppose me as if taking time to nurture this thread is putting money in my bank account, the fact that you do not retain God in your consciousness you believe everyone will just form a big lie for whatever reason like you would do but unlike you I fear the Almighty God 24/7 and I'm well aware of what await anyone saying God said when He has not said. Stop wasting your time here, start your own thread and continue your ranting there.

vannessa7:

Why don't you start your own thread instead of obsessing over my thread. In case you are not aware, repeating a lie ten thousand times will not suddenly make it the truth. To as many of you that strongly oppose me as if taking time to nurture this thread is putting money in my bank account, the fact that you do not retain God in your consciousness you believe everyone will just form a big lie for whatever reason like you would do but unlike you I fear the Almighty God 24/7 and I'm well aware of what await anyone saying God said when He has not said. Stop wasting your time here, start your own thread and continue your ranting there.

1. I don't oppose you, not at all. It is not my place to tell anyone what to believe in. I am simply an advocate for Truth over the doctrines and traditions of men, Lies, when it comes to the Truth of the Word of God as detailed in the book you claim to have read for over 20 years.

2. I don't understand what you mean by retaining God in one's consciousness. Where we gentiles are concerned, the Spirit of God, according to God - Ezekiel 36 vs 27 - and Jesus Christ, only lives in those who Know the Truth - the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law of God that defines for us what sin is and what is not - which you have more than revealed you were not yourself privy to in the 20 years of your dabbling. He, the Spirit of God is reserved only for those who truly know Him - John 14 vs 20 - 21 - and not those consumed of doctrines and traditions of men, lies, for how can light(Truth) engage darkeness(Lies). And so how you think you can speak then of retaining God in one's consciousness is beyond me.

3. If you truly fear the one you call your Almighty, then I suggest this time around that you stay away from listening to the lies and pay very close attention to what is in fact written. One thing I know for a fact. and this from past study is that when it comea to God and His Law, Christianity and Islam don't mix in any true way. If as a moslem you have yet to figure this out, I suggest you start to pay closer attention to what is written than to what the popular talkers spew.

I recently read the Gospel of Jesus according to Barnabas and I was reminded yet again how an attempt to resolve the Christian God with the Islamic God amounts to labeling God an idiot, a liar and a schizophrenic cosmic power of sorts. It doesn't work at all. So stop telling people that Muslims are also Christians. That idea only benefits men and their motives... it makes God out to be a terrible monster and liar though.

MrCodeSolo:
Salam alaikum waramatullahi wabarakatuhu.
@Op. Your personal story that led to your revert to Islam may not be the most glamorous of all lol. But one important fact that is attributed to Islam mostly is about the revelation of the divine truth; as revealed to our prophet Mohammed (pbuh), the existence of the one true sovereign God Almighty of which Jesus a messiah translated Christ, spoke highly of the exaltation of that same one true God Almighty during and throughout his ministry on earth. Yes...I'm a new muslim revert; and having done Christianity for many years and read the Holy Bible I could auzubillah beat my tiny chest and challenge my fellow Christian people that they should mention where is there ever recorded in the Holy Bible that Jesus said he is God and the people should worship him?
Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and revered and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.
Jesus Christ was created by God and he was not the creature himself! Therefore,
Jesus Christ is the son of Mary fashioned out of her immaculate womb, not conceived by man but of the holy spirit that I believe as a muslim.

Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, serve God, *Matthew 4:10, *Luke 4:8 my Lord and your Lord." *Mark 12:29, *John 20:17 Indeed, he who associates others with God - God has certainly forbidden the Garden for him, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are no helpers for the wrongdoers.

All credits and all accounts of attributing Jesus Christ to God made flesh that walked on the face of the earth goes to Paul of tarsus, who wrote a greater portions of the bible, about 12 books of the new testament as a result of his alleged conversion from the self-proclaimed position of a bounty hunter of Judaism faith, a murder-facilitator [ because he witnessed the stoning of saint Stephen by which according to the Jewish law, the witnesses were first ones to throw the stones. They were the leading executioners ], prosecutor of Christians to a strong advocate of the early Christian faith and movement. Paul of tarsus was no doubt the originator of Christianity because it was his doctrines and teachings that gave birth to the churches you see everywhere around you today.
And let it be noted here that Jesus, the messiah translated 'Christ' never founded any religion but his mission only was to fulfill the prophecy as foreseen by prophet Isaiah 53:3-12. And never during his ministry on earth has he made, let or asked anyone to worship him.

And from among all of the names made in reference to him in the holy bible;
Jesus.
Emmanuel.
Christ.
Lord.
Master.
Logos (the Word)
Son of God.
Son of man:
The son of man as referred to jesus Christ though the Bible does not define its exact meaning, the title "Son of Man" probably refers to the fact that Jesus was perfect humanity literally meaning a human being and was mentioned 81 times in the new testament. Yes!
The expression "the Son of man" appears 81 times in the Koine Greek of the four Gospels: 30 times in Matthew, 14 times in Mark, 25 times in Luke and 12 times in John.
Sixty-nine times in the Synoptic Gospels Jesus calls himself (the) "Son of man", a Greek expression which in its Aramaic (and Hebrew) background could be an oblique way for indicating the speaker's own self (e.g., Matt 8:20), or else simply mean "someone" or "a human being" (as in Ps 8:4, where it is a poetic variant.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter the Son of man will sit on the right hand of the power of God
Luke 22:48
But Jesus said to him, "Judas, do you betray the Son of man with a kiss?" and
Mark 2:27-28, Matthew 12:8 and Luke 6:5.


Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was nothing but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was truthful. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the signs clear to them; then look how they [ the followers of christ that are saying he is the son of God ] are deluded.

Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O isles, to me; and listen, you people, from afar; the Lord has called me [son of Man, i.e a mere human being] from the womb; He has made mention of my name [Jesus Christ] from the bowels of my mother [Mary].

And it's for the same reason the people wanted him to die for refusing to reaffirm to them that he's the son of God or the king sent from heaven.
I love Jesus Christ too...far more than many today christians and several church-goers. I believe in his miraculous birth and I believe he's a messiah translated Christ sent by God Almighty.
If you read the Bible carefully, you will understand why Jesus Christ never replied directly or gave a straight answer to the multitude, pilates or anyone calling him son of God and he never objects to the title. Yes! It's all there in your holy book.
In Matthew 3:17 and Luke 3:22 Jesus allows himself to be called the Son of God by the voice from above, not objecting to the title.

Luke 22:70-71
Then they all said, "Are you then the son of God?" And he said to them, "You say that I am......"
Mark 8:29-30
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Peter answered and said to Him, “You are the Christ.”
Then He strictly warned them that they should tell no one about Him.

Somebody here said that the followers of islam are not tormented frequently by the devil...since they are heading into the path of destruction already and bla bla bla... Hold thy tongue! Mr?
Fyi, satan torment and is working to deviate the true followers of Islam everyday also....and the Qur'an says that we should avoid at all costs the footsteps of the devil.

What's there not to understand from that holy scriptural verse.“You who believe enter Islam totally. Do not follow in the footsteps of Satan he is an outright enemy to you.” (Qur’an, 2:208)
“Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship.” (Qur’an, 2:185)
Why then as a true muslim must I suffer in the hands and torments of satan 24/7 when subhana Allah has not permitted him or willed it for me?
I have so many other things to say and argue about for argument's sake with quotations from your own bible scriptures alone to backup my claims. I won't even open the Holy Qur'an for them [christians] but will only recites verses from it and face before you people with the divine truth and facts so you all may see clearly this signs. To my op. Sis may Allah reward you exceedingly with much abundance of gifts..
Jazakallah khairan to you all.

I REJOICE WITH MrCodeSolo ON YOUR REVERSION TO ISLAM AND SUBMITTING TO THE WILL AND AUTHORITY OF THE ONE TRUE GOD ",ALLAH".

MAY ALLAH'S BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS

vannessa7:


Judaism started almost 4000 years ago while christianity is 2000 years old, they did not start the same time yet christianity has imbibe many of the rules and injunctions of judaism except for the ones that mark the core difference between them such as animal sacrifice and Jesus sacrifice. The old testament is mostly attached to the new testament and the christians accept it because they have evidence in their text which refer them to the old testament and confirms they are from the same source, I understand those still practicing judaism also disprove the authenticity of christianity just like christians are disproving islam now. If christians recognize and accept judaism as being from God reading and believing the words in it without seeing it as idolatry, islam also being the last in line see and accept christianity and judaism as part of us because the quran said so and it's one of the qualifications for being a Muslim, God is one and all His books say so. The three religion are God's attempt at drawing mankind unto Him after the fall of man, they just stand on different covenants and different mode of worshipping the same God. No matter how nigerian christians shout and disdain Islam, it will not change what islam is or make islam disappear, and christians will not and cannot teach God how to run the world.

SPOT ON

vannessa7:


Why don't you start your own thread instead of obsessing over my thread. In case you are not aware, repeating a lie ten thousand times will not suddenly make it the truth. To as many of you that strongly oppose me as if taking time to nurture this thread is putting money in my bank account, the fact that you do not retain God in your consciousness you believe everyone will just form a big lie for whatever reason like you would do but unlike you I fear the Almighty God 24/7 and I'm well aware of what await anyone saying God said when He has not said. Stop wasting your time here, start your own thread and continue your ranting there.

Glory be to Almighty Allah {The lord of the heavens and earth} for guiding you back to Islam. I had similar experience to yours on my journey searching for God I can boldly say you made the right choice sister..

Allah SWT said:

"O you who have believed, if you obey a party of those who were given the Scripture, they would turn you back, after your belief, [to being] unbelievers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 100)

"O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims [in submission to Him]."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 102)

"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 103)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

vannessa7:


From my write up I said exactly the same the that people are actually not the one afflicting you but the devil who is able to borrow their soul which is corrupt through polytheism, worshipping others beside God, saying thank you Jesus for what God has done, after seeing the complain of God all over the Quran about people associating partners with Him I actually cringe now when I hear thank you Jesus, Jesus that prayed to God while on earth and said he can of himself do nothing, God said in the Quran that anyone associating partners with Him should ask if those partners created anything or were not themselves created by God,

The Bible is more bloody than the Quran, I still cry when I read the Old Testament and I just have to accept we can't question God when I see the level of violence, killing even babies and everything during war with enemies of Israel, David the beloved of God killed uncountable people, even the Israelite when they complained against God, the ground opened and swallow them, plagues, did you see how prophet Samuel he's down the king captured by Saul during the war, do you want to talk about Elijah and Elisha, calling fire to consume people because he was afraid and Elisha cursing children and she bear devoured them because they made jest of him, and before you say it's Old Testament , all this situations directly deal with God who created all things and is the Almighty, the law of Moses is the law of God, Moses didn't generate it himself, Mohammed too dealt directly with God and when fighting against the enemies of God it's either you obey or noet, it is what brought king Saul down because he refused to kill some people . America has already made themselves God's enemy by all their gay laws and sexual laxity, so I have nothing much to say about that, as per who is Jesus to me, I already answered that in another quote

You were never a Christian!

You all should stop engaging in argy-bargy with this woman. Allow her to enjoy her new faith.

Interesting thread.

Nice one Peggy...am taking even a different angle.

We can't deny our realities & experiences as we journey this ethereal world, the reasons we adduce and solutions/actions we take to resolve are even more important.
But our individual experiences will not form dogmas/doctrines...niether will it confirm God to be God nor invalidate Him.
Some heros of faith died without inheriting the promise, (but am sure they had a great/rough ride on their trips.)

when this "enemies and ancestral curse" teachings/preaching started I knew it would damage some folks and enrich its preachers.

But it's the same everywhere, even Europe instilled fears of witches in the citizens and killed witches. There must have been innocent (some truly gifted spiritually, others bipolar or with OCD, or just set up from rivalry as we now understand)
The 9ja kid labelled a witch and nailed in the head painfully comes to mind. A terrible low for the parents & "pastor" involved.

As Africa is not the only place with bad/dark or better still an unenlightened past.
I wonder how long we would allow our past to hold us back & down with all the information out there?

Some here grew up fearing ojuju and gbomo-gbomo. They got goosebumps hearing a mention of their names AND FORMED MENTAL PICTURES OF THEM, dreamt of them!
But outgrew the fears with maturity and enlightenment. The ojuju is what you made it to be, and mine would be definitely be different from yours. But all are from our fears! So what of the claimed dreams some made up or truly had when a lot younger?
The current dictionary definition of witch or witchcraft is totally without fears = manipulations/magics.
So what are adults really still seeing. describe please?

Our research into mental health, sleep, sleep deprivation and disorders needs to be worked on...

POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.[b]POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.[/b]POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.

vannessa7:
I felt compelled to write this after observing the online tussle between Muslim's and Christians here on Nairaland about who is right or wrong. After going through my write up I'm sure you might be more enlightened, I converted to Islam Nov 2016 after 20years of being a dedicated born again minister, I was a home fellowship leader, prayer warrior member, sanctuary cleaner, evangelist, followup member, I used to pray for members of my fellowship and God perform miracles, I use to receive revelations about members that will be perfectly accurate, I was always in every service, but nothing was happening in my life, I had a lot of respect from people that knew how God was using me but nothing was happening in my life, no husband, I lost my job after attaining a top management position, I had incessant witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, ancestral curses and family idol, I became a deliverance junkie in mfm, I never missed rccg Holy Ghost service, winners Shiloh, I eventually got married 10yrs after graduation, 4yrs later my husband died, by that time I had crossed over to rccg with my husband in Abuja, I was an evangelist. I came back to the south to live with my mum as I had nothing left, I immediately joined rccg there and became committed, but I noticed that when I started praying for another husband only Muslim men came even during my 10yrs of waiting before marriage, after deliverance and prayers Muslim men were the ones I used to see and I will reject them, I used to tell them to convert to Christianity but they always refuse, when the same thing started happening my mother told me to give it a try because of time, I grudgingly agreed, but immediately I started receiving great revelations of great victories in the dream daily so I decided to convert to Islam, the first thing I noticed is that the constant sickness I used to experience vanished, I used to treat malaria or typhoid once in a month, even my mother was surprised, there is a particular situation in the family that has been threatening the peace of the family for long I had done several 3days dry fasting that God should solve it while I was a Christian without any result, my mother testify of it just 2months after I became a Muslim, I also noticed the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit while praying or in a mosque, I now understand why Christians have to sing for long before the Holy Spirit will manifest,Islam embodies holiness and that is why anyone who is not holy and goes to a Muslim domain is in danger, I used to have a couple friends who decided to travel to Iran for vacation they had barely step down from the plane when they fell seriously sick, they told me that many Christians have the same experience and some even dies, I will continue below with further analysis and comparison

Mynd44 rule 2

vannessa7:


I did not refer to christianity but islam which you proclaim to be satanic without any basis. FYI every Muslim is also a christian, we Muslim own three books of God, the old testament, (Torah), the new testament,(ingeel), and the Quran, God said he sent all those books and we must believe in them to. So Muslim has no doubt that God originated christianity and the power of God is in it, but it's the many errors introduced into the bible through the various interpretations and also human angle viewpoints in it that we are warned to beware of, also the same way the covenant of judaism, old testament, is different from that of christianity, new testament, is the same way the covenant of islam Quran is different. I wrote about the very many miracles I experienced as a christian, I don't think you really went through all my write-up before replying because I never said there is no power of God in christianity.

As for saying practicing islam is like occult, that's just the product of a lazy mind, you think if we are in a court of law your submissions will just be accepted without verification even when you refused to believe or accept the voice of experience. You are living in fantasy, your ignorance will not make the truth go away.

Here vanessa7 is forming Islam keyboard Jihadist... unfortunately, she blocked her eyes and ears to EVIDENCES that prove that Islam is a Cult of Mohammed.

A chicken in battery cage is speaking to birds flying about her.

She says:
I don't have to look for food everyday like you. Since I entered this cage, I've been well fed and watered

Just come and join me for three months and you'll see that your life will go without stress

If only the chicken know that she has traded her life and freedom for food!


I still invite you to the Messiah!

Learn of Islam not from the lies you are fed with. I hope you've not drank hantu from your Alfa husband?
Taqqiya is allowed in his religion!

TenQ:

Here vanessa7 is forming Islam keyboard Jihadist... unfortunately, she blocked her eyes and ears to EVIDENCES that prove that Islam is a Cult of Mohammed.

A chicken in battery cage is speaking to birds flying about her.

She says:
I don't have to look for food everyday like you. Since I entered this cage, I've been well fed and watered

Just come and join me for three months and you'll see that your life will go without stress

If only the chicken know that she has traded her life and freedom for food!


I still invite you to the Messiah!

Learn of Islam not from the lies you are fed with. I hope you've not drank hantu from your Alfa husband?
Taqqiya is allowed in his religion!

Your analogy applies to you because you are the one with a narrow view, you have no ground or basis for your argument because you have never left your home grown Christianity religion, you have never been a Muslim and here you are telling someone that was more christian than you will ever be who now also have first hand experience of Islam which is right, it will take a special dedication to God for heaven to reveal divine secrets to you which you may be lacking, pray that God should open your eyes to the treasure that Islam is.

vannessa7:


Your analogy applies to you because you are the one with a narrow view, you have no ground or basis for your argument because you have never left your home grown Christianity religion, you have never been a Muslim and here you are telling someone that was more christian than you will ever be who now also have first hand experience of Islam which is right, it will take a special dedication to God for heaven to reveal divine secrets to you which you may be lacking, pray that God should open your eyes to the treasure that Islam is.

If you are sure of yourself, come and defend Islam when I write about Islam.

1. You don't even know what a spirit is without destroying Islam!

2. Can you show from the Qur'an that Jubril is the Holy Spirit?

3. Is God a Spirit?

You see that basic questions a Christian will answer, you cannot answer without breaking Islam!

faithsurvey:
POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.[b]POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.[/b]POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.POINT OF CORRECTION PLS.

The initial part of this article is commendable but the last part where the author talked about 'blood' and 'redness' is totally against the teaching of Islam. This is due to her attributing the power to bring goodness to blood and redness. This is totally wrong because every Muslims believe that this is in the hand of God alone. This only show that the writer has not totally shed away her former conception of religion. I hope she will try to educate herself on this point and that she will delete this part.

I'm just seeing this now and I don't know why, actually you are very correct because the whole essence of Islam is holiness and when holiness is in place there is no need for blood shed, but then there can hardly be anyone on earth who is without sin because Allah's definition of sin might be different from what we think , I knew this from reading Torah ingeel and Quran, for example a new parent MUST kill a ram for the naming of their newborn, it's compulsory in Islam, every pilgrim must kill ram when they go for Hajj in Mecca, all this are just Allah telling us we need to shed those blood to be part of our cleansing, the only difference is that when there is holiness as obtained in Islam the need for blood or red is minimal thus we use ram or other animals unlike christians who use the blood of human being, Jesus as they believe, the whole essence of Christianity hangs on that blood and it is written that blood of ram is not enough for them in the ingeel, Judaism also use animals. Islam actually gives holiness but until we get to the after life before anyone can hope to be totally free from this mortal body and it's weakness.
I wrote all this as a person who also have the gift of revelations into the spiritual which is now even very sharp since I became a muslim and I learnt idina suratal mustakim. Terrorist activities would have been reduced or non existent in Nigeria if only Nigerian flag carry a bit of red colour, incessant blood shed would have been reduced, there will hardly be any need for blood money in Nigeria by anyone. we are all working towards perfect holiness and those of us in Islam have it good although many of us don't know because we don't know what they are going through in Christianity, every one is on different development level when it comes to the things of God and for the sake of those who are still very far from Allah, such thing as I have discussed here may be necessary to hold back the anger of Allah which can destroy all of a sudden, that is why a christian and Muslim settlement like Kaduna and Jos always experience blood shed because holiness of Islam will clash with the load of sin in Christianity and try to wipe it out, any christian community close to Muslim are apt to experience unrest if they are not careful because Islam will not allow sin around while Christianity does not require you to be holy, you must always confess that you are a sinner and rely on grace. I guess this is high level spirituality but I hope you get my drift, we don't have to know it in Islam for it to be operating so far we are shedding those blood like Allah asked Ibrahim(A.S) to offer his son as sacrifice to Him which was later replaced by ram. Note I did not say Muslims should be going about with such mindset because all we need is to obey Allahs instructions to us and everything will be taken care of. I'm just part of those few people who receive spiritual insight and with my study of the books of Allah and Allah's thought in all His book I arrived at my conclusion.

TenQ:

If you are sure of yourself, come and defend Islam when I write about Islam.

1. You don't even know what a spirit is without destroying Islam!

2. Can you show from the Qur'an that Jubril is the Holy Spirit?

3. Is God a Spirit?

You see that basic questions a Christian will answer, you cannot answer without breaking Islam!

I will not dance this dance with you anymore , it's like you enjoy going back and forth for nothing, count me out.

vannessa7:


I will not dance this dance with you anymore , it's like you enjoy going back and forth for nothing, count me out.

Have you ever ONCE responded to this questions?

It's about your salvation!
The Messiah still await you if only you will search your heart.