hupernikao:

Bro, this is not the reason you created the thread. Keep focus on the thread. You call it Bible study. But you are not resulting to gist and gossip. Don't loose focus. Let's study

hupernikao:

You better keep your jotting well from "my explanation". Hold it like eternal life because it will save your soul one day.

MaxInDHouse:
Most of you guys are ATHEISTS in disguise!

There is no group of individuals studying more than atheists on this planet but what is their major problem?
Well they are always studying but never ready to come to an agreement on what will bring benefits both to them and their neighbours {2Timothy 3:3} rather each atheist only study to edify himself.
So they lost the main purpose of STUDYING which is BENEFITS! 2Timothy 3:7

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, our God called us to come as a people and reason along with Him {Isaiah 1:18} and why? Well it's for us to BENEFIT ourselves after reasoning with the most intelligent person in the universe! Isaiah 48:17-18

Therefore if you believe you have understood the scriptures please PRESENT a group of people that have BENEFITED themselves after coming into the presence of the Almighty God! Isaiah 43:10-12

hupernikao:

LOL at "ATHEISTS in disguise"
I know your trouble, but no trouble overtaken you except what is common to man.
You will overcome it, i assure you.

johnw47:


^^ [s]false jw's, all immoral, lying and insane laughing fools



Rev_21:8  But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:[/s]

hupernikao:



Is it that you have started bearing false witness or just a problem of not reading properly.

**1.
Where did you see from any of my post, whether in time past or even future that I said or will say Jesus is angel of the lord? Don't let me see you as mischievous.


Study The Bible With Jehovah's Witnesses! by hupernikao: 10:20pm On Jun 14


" *2
Thus he isn't an angel or any other being existing somewhere before.

*3
The OT testified about me. Simply put, the God you see in OT is that Jesus, the man you see in the flesh. Why is this hard for you to understand.

The whole of OT testified about God, that is who we see as the son in the flesh, Jesus. That is the concept that you are struggling with.

*1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo

hupernikao:


2. Point to where I "yab" your organisation as a body or even you lot collectively or group here. I copied all your folk in a single post so as not to be repeating myself. What I did for you is to put you in a classroom of reasoning, so that you can all reason together the scriptures and make adjustment. And I have already seen how it profit you now.


[s] It seems you cant differentiate between defending doctrine and organization.


You better be reading well so that you won't be taken as a liar. When you misquote people or deliberately say what they don't say, it makes you a false witness.


Now, go and revisit the notes you took from my explanation. My points were very clear there on the Jesus yesterday, today and forever.


Finally, I am amazed that you all decided to turn the thread to a gist center. Why not just go and check your doctrine side by side what I presented to you and make adjustments instead of turning the thread to a beer parlour[/s].

Janosky:

**1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo




Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)


Is Jesus Christ not your God in the old testament?
@ Genesis 16:7-13, Your God in the old testament calls himself "angel" who spoke to Hagar.

Your fellow Trinity mentors and crew members says yes, in Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your Triune deity is "angel"
The holy Scriptures is accurate.


Hupernikao, the truth is bitter.
Continue to console yourself with GIBBERISH

MaxInDHouse:


He feels JWs like engaging in fruitless arguments the way he's been doing with his fellow Churchgoers.
It's obvious he doesn't understand what a study is because if he does at least he should understand that people study for a purpose.
It's the custom of atheists to continue studying without coming to an agreement on the way forward very very unlike believers who knew the import of STUDYING: BENEFITS!

Janosky:


Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)

JohnW's & Hupernikao's Triune God in the old testament, Jesus Christ is "angel of the Lord" @ Genesis 16:7-13.

Bibleref, JohnW's fellow Trinity believer has proven (in the Screenshot, also confirmed in Geneva Bible),that JohnW is typing GIBBERISH.

Janosky:

**1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo




Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)


Is Jesus Christ not your God in the old testament?
@ Genesis 16:7-13, Your God in the old testament calls himself "angel" who spoke to Hagar.

Your fellow Trinity mentors and crew members says yes, in Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your Triune deity is "angel"
The holy Scriptures is accurate.


Hupernikao, the truth is bitter.
Continue to console yourself with GIBBERISH

Janosky:


Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)

JohnW's & Hupernikao's Triune God in the old testament, Jesus Christ is "angel of the Lord" @ Genesis 16:7-13.

Bibleref, JohnW's fellow Trinity believer has proven (in the Screenshot, also confirmed in Geneva Bible),that JohnW is typing GIBBERISH.

MaxInDHouse:
Most of you guys are ATHEISTS in disguise!

There is no group of individuals studying more than atheists on this planet but what is their major problem?
Well they are always studying but never ready to come to an agreement on what will bring benefits both to them and their neighbours {2Timothy 3:3} rather each atheist only study to edify himself.
So they lost the main purpose of STUDYING which is BENEFITS! 2Timothy 3:7

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, our God called us to come as a people and reason along with Him {Isaiah 1:18} and why? Well it's for us to BENEFIT ourselves after reasoning with the most intelligent person in the universe! Isaiah 48:17-18

Therefore if you believe you have understood the scriptures please PRESENT a group of people that have BENEFITED themselves after coming into the presence of the Almighty God! Isaiah 43:10-12

You are seriously trying hard to prove .... what wasn't said. Lol

Janosky:
May Jehovah touch the hearts of those He will draw to the truth through His Son Jesus Christ.

Janosky:

The 'oly demonic ghost of Trinity GIBBERISH confusing 3 pagan idols devotees.

Janosky:


Bros, you wrote GIBBERISH.


5 centuries ago, Geneva Bible Translators, your Trinity mentors, said Jesus Christ is archangel Michael and an angel of Jehovah @ Daniel 10:13. 12:1 & Joshua 5:14
This fact has been confirmed by KNOWMORE56, your fellow Trinitarian.

Bros, the same 'oly ghost is teaching you & your fellow Trinitarians, meet them for further expositions or continue typing GIBBERISH.

MaxInDHouse:
hupernikao will say "that place never mentioned "Jesus"" therefore Pastor KNOWMORE is wrong!

KNOWMORE56:


Jesus is ALL, and in all...
*. Colossians 3:11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

*. Ephesians 4:6 "KJV:One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Note:
the Son is ALL and in all; the Father is ALL and in all

He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (max) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

Do you want to die in your sins, maxInDHouse?

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

He said this because the Pharisees doubted His personality, saying "THOU A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD"

*. John 10:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, being A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD."

KNOWMORE56:


Happy Sunday!

Jesus is ALL, and in all...

*. Colossians 3:11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL."

*. Ephesians 4:6 "KJV:One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Note:
the Son is ALL and in all; the Father is ALL and in all

He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (Janosky) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

He said this because the Pharisees doubted His personality, saying "THOU A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD"

Do you want to be a Pharisee, Janosky?

*. John 10:33 "KJV:The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that THOU, being A MAN, MAKEST THYSELF GOD."

Bros Stop making FALSE, empty claims. .
John 19:6-7, the Jews said their claims you misquote @ John 10:33 is FALSE.
John 10:34-36 Jesus Christ calls you a LIAR.
Abeg shift!

KNOWMORE56:


Happy Sunday!



He ( JESUS) has said categorically that if you (Janosky) don't believe that He ( Jesus) is He (the only true God), you will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS."

Bros stop DECEIVING yourself, making FALSE empty threats.

John 8:23-27,38, you have 3 questions to answer on this thread. .
Bros, in John 8:24,27 who sent your only true God and taught him what to say?

John 8:38
"I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father"
Bros KNOWMORE56, @ what time in heaven was your only God with his Father ?

Who in heaven is the Father of your only true God in John 8:38?

38
I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father"

Trinity GIBBERISH makes educated, otherwise intelligent people behave as Mumu

hupernikao:


I am sure the JW folks are well study than the attitude you are displaying. I can't even placed your issues. You are seriously trying hard to prove what doesn't exist and what wasn't said. Lol

Sifia pains of a Triune idols worshipper


Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your God in the old testament calls himself "angel".
If it's not so, please quote your own Bible make we see am.

hupernikao:


Has your Bible study reduced to copying and pasting? I need articulated knowledge drawn from serious Bible study labor not this copy and paste you are doing up and down.

Pick your Bible and read then lets discus.

Janosky:

**1 & **3:
Genesis 16:7
1599 Geneva Bible

7 ¶ But the [h]Angel of the Lord found her beside a fountain in the way of Shur,

Footnotes
h. Genesis 16:7 Which was Christ, as appeareth verse 13 and Gen. 18:17.

Bros, according to your claim, Your Bible says "the God you see in the OT is that Jesus "angel of the Lord" you denied @ Genesis 16:7-13.

The implications of your claim is luminous.
Jesus is your God in the OT = Jesus is the angel of the Lord."
Your denial of the Scriptural fact ends up in the dustbin.


2.
Bros, according to your claim : "Thus he (Jesus) isn't any other being existing somewhere before"
Therefore, Bros, you are saying "Jesus is the God in the OT" is FALSE.
Bros, na you talk am. Ooooooo




Genesis 16:7-13
New International Version
7 The angel of the Lord(A) found Hagar near a spring(B) in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.(C) 8 And he said, “Hagar,(D) slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”(E)

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”(F)

11 The angel of the Lord(G) also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.(H)
You shall name him(I) Ishmael,[a](J)
for the Lord has heard of your misery.(K)
12 He will be a wild donkey(L) of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.(M)”

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,(N)” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.”(O)


Is Jesus Christ not your God in the old testament?
@ Genesis 16:7-13, Your God in the old testament calls himself "angel" who spoke to Hagar.

Your fellow Trinity mentors and crew members says yes, in Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your Triune deity is "angel"
The holy Scriptures is accurate.


Hupernikao, the truth is bitter.
Continue to console yourself with GIBBERISH

MaxInDHouse:


He feels JWs like engaging in fruitless arguments the way he's been doing with his fellow Churchgoers.
It's obvious he doesn't understand what a study is because if he does at least he should understand that people study for a purpose.
It's the custom of atheists to continue studying without coming to an agreement on the way forward very very unlike believers who knew the import of STUDYING: BENEFITS!

KNOWMORE56:

People have come for the Bible study nau.
Let the study start. Which topic is 1st?

KNOWMORE56:


e don hook you for neck you come dey copy and paste the same thing over and over,

oluwaahmed:
came here because of maxindhouse(shout out to you) seems like I really missed a lot when reading through. Anyway, I am a gnostic Christian therefore I already know that Jesus is not God. He came from the dwelling place of God(not the one being worshipped by most christians) and he is also not a son of YHWH, he is also not an angel or archon.

MaxInDHouse:
You are welcome Abdulahmed!

It's good to be shrewd in one's life, because it will help you to avoid lots of pitfalls where others got lost completely! Proverbs 22:3

So let's start from your first post, what do you know about heaven and those inhabiting it?
What do you think about Jesus since you say he is not the Almighty God and not an angel?

oluwaahmed:

Heaven (what we call pleroma) is a place where aeons reside with the glory of the eternal father. We believe that when one dies, one goes either to the pleroma or his soul is reincarnated back to a body. There's no hell! Jesus existed in this place with the eternal father, he's a son of the immeasurable, unameable one. Now when I say he's not an angel I mean he's not an archon. Archons/angrls are sons of YHWH, aeons are sons of the father who is perfect. I know this is hard to grasp.
In a way you are right Jesus was a son(aeon of the eternal father) the eternal father is not YHWH who created the universe therefore Jesus is not an angel/son of yhwh.
Apocryphon of John vs 14
14 And when he saw the creation which surrounded him and the multi­tude of the angels surrounding him who had came into being from him, he said to them, 'I am a jealous God and no other god exists be­side me.' But his proclamation indicated to the angels who dwell with him that another God does exist. For if there were not another who exists, of whom would he be jealous?
You see, the eternal father is perfect, therefore all his works are perfect. The eternal father cannot be jealous, angry or filled with error. He knows the end from the beginning and thus cannot regret his actions.

Janosky:


According to Hupernikao, Jesus is God of the old testament.

Jesus your God calls himself "angel" @ Genesis 16:7-13.

Whoever is sent from heaven in the spirit realm to earth is an angel.
Bros, why e dey pain you?

Janosky:


According to Hupernikao, Jesus is God of the old testament.

Jesus your God calls himself "angel" @ Genesis 16:7-13.

Whoever is sent from heaven in the spirit realm to earth is an angel.
Bros, why e dey pain you?