Greenarrow01:


Abi na

Before Elon musk started using robots to assemble electric cars
People in China were doing that.
People don't know
US, EU import a whole lot from china, that was the fight trump was having with China, China almost crumbled the steel industry in China, why will those people be importing steal if they know they are substandard and won't past basic test.
Omo let's be humble and learn from these people ooo.
Let's look at what they are doing critically and see why they are doing it, how they are doing it and study them

Instead of trying to critique their stuffs from afar.

.people don't know.
China is damn strict.
Any form of corruption bayii na hanging
So cutting corners and endangering people is corruption.
And they don't just execute normal citizens, they execute top guys too, they did execute a former secretary of their party this year.
That's like executing lai Mohamed

Haba, why are you compering him with our most trusted humble Lai Mohammed of our world. Kelode m, leave Baba out of this ooo I beg you biko.

abdulwastecx:


Because I'm an engineer that knows a thing about high rise building and how they behave when subjected to lateral load (wind load) or dynamic load(earthquake and other motion inducing natural phenomenon).
I can tell straight away if a building has been provided with those but that doesn't make the design and provision of these easy.

Has it occurred to you that most high rise building comes with a reinforced concrete core around the stairs or lift even when the building frame is steel? Yeah! They are provided to withstand lateral loads.

The attached photo is Sherwood Court about 12/13 storey 611 bedroom student accommodation in Lewisham, South East London. The development is currently ongoing as part of the regeneration of Lewisham. The construction method is "Vision Modular System" according to Tide, the construction company.

From the attached photos, you can see the reinforced concrete core around the stairs/lift you wrote about and a similar finished article opposite. Like you said, they build the base or core (what the civil engineering name?) in a controlled environment because the floors were going up about one floor a day so to speak ( what happens to 21 days curing of decking). They now subsequently built the floors (flats) around this core to put it in a layman's language.

So you are correct. As a trained eye, you can see straight away if a building is being built with the provision for the lateral load (wind load) or dynamic load (earthquake and other motion inducing natural phenomenon). A chick that will grow into a co-ck is spotted on the day it is hatched[b][/b]. I did not see a concrete core in that Chinese stack-up. So for me a layman, it is shitty.

diordaves:


The attached photo is Sherwood Court about 12/13 storey 611 bedroom student accommodation in Lewisham, South East London. The development is currently ongoing as part of the regeneration of Lewisham. The construction method is "Vision Modular System" according to Tide, the construction company.

From the attached photos, you can see the reinforced concrete core around the stairs/lift you wrote about and a similar finished article opposite. Like you said, they build the base or core (what the civil engineering name?) in a controlled environment because the floors were going up about one floor a day so to speak ( what happens to 21 days curing of decking). They now subsequently built the floors (flats) around this core to put it in a layman's language.

So you are correct. As a trained eye, you can see straight away if a building is being built with the provision for the lateral load (wind load) or dynamic load (earthquake and other motion inducing natural phenomenon). A chick that will grow into a co-ck is spotted on the day it is hatched[b][/b]. I did not see a concrete core in that Chinese stack-up. So for me a layman, it is shitty.

Exactly bro! you capture the whole thing perfectly.

n3xt:


Chinese don’t have engineers. They only have shitty builders.

I’ll be following up this 28 hours build to know when it’ll collapse since it wasn’t build to Europe, US and naija building code.

I was hoping to see carpenters, iron benders, concreters working on the 10 storey building like we always do here

Why should China be assembly a house like cars? They still have a lot to learn.

_______

In Nigeria, there’s always a problem for every solution.

Good morning!

Pre fabricated materials and buildings are also done in the USA. Just that they don’t make so much noise for simple things like that.
I can count how many buildings and bridges in the last two months that sprung up overnight, which I have seen here. I mean giant buildings, they all used pre fab materials. The only difference with the China thing is that these people took time to do their foundation and soil work and utilities underground.
I will post pictures of a couple of them later when I am able to take pictures of them if I pass by.

The future started yesterday and we are already late.

abdulwastecx:


Exactly bro! you capture the whole thing perfectly.

Abdul. I’m surprised to read some of your comments yesterday, those comments shouldn’t be coming from somebody like you with vice experience in construction industry. You even go as far saying you won’t live in home like that haba, with all your experience? Won’t you live in one ☝️ Of this

Open kitchen yah or nay?

spyder880:
List of Materials and workmanship for the construction of the suspended slab for a double wing of 2 bedroom flats at Asaba.

1. 1x12x12 wood (345) x 1300 = N448,500
2. 2x2x12 wood (100) x 350 = N35,000
3. Long bamboo (178) x 400 = N71,200
4. 1x9x12 wood (10) 1,100 = N11,000
5. 1x6x12 wood (75) 650 = N48,750
6. Bag of 3" nails (2) 13,500 = N27,000
7. Half bag of 2" nails N8,500
8. Roll of nylon sheets (6) 7,000 = N42,000
9. 16mm rods (80) x 6,262 = N501,000
10. 12mm rods (245) x 3,522.24 = N862,950
11. 8mm rods (45) x 1733.33 = N78,000
12. Roll of binding wire N13,300
13. Electrical pipes, boxes,gum etc. N122,053.75
14. Bags of cement (181) x 3450 = N624,450
15. Trips of sharp sand (7) x 19,714.28 = N138,000
16. Trips of chippings (6) x 60,000 = N360,000
17. Carpentry N130,000
18. Iron fitters N120,000
19. Electricians N60,000
20. Concrete casters N250,000
21. Site foreman 20,000
22. Security man N20,000
23. Transportation and loading N47,950

Grand total N4,052,953.75

Promise kept, I will be around to entertain some questions. Thanks all.

Edit: Cost prices in fractions indicate that we bought several quantities at different times and at different prices, so you are likely seeing average costs as unit prices in some materials.

Oga spyder880, where you dey buy 16mm for less than 7200?
Even the 1 x 12 planks for 1300? The price is about 1900.
You even quoted 12mm for lesss than 4200 This estimate might not be too long ago but the price you have there are no longer obtainable.

To give some perspective to support your last paragraph...

I bought some neatly used plywood from various sources at a fraction of the market value, used them multiple times (some twice, others 3x) and can still easily sell them or continue to reuse.

At the end of the day, it is more cost effective to buy (even for the ones i bought at full cost) wood than hire shutters/formwork unless you own the formwork.

Guys should not get it twisted cos most of the time they're not being told the full gist to make a fair comparison.

spyder880:


You are very correct on that observation, and I had thought about this a long time ago. Some of the challenges I have with formwork is the ease of movement. I can acquire and keep formwork in any of my spaces in Enugu, but for me to make the best use of it, I have to move it to all or most of my project sites, and that's where the real problem starts.

Moving stuff across state lines is fraught with difficulties, from the exorbitant transportation charges to security officers checkpoints to the legal and illegal revenue officials that are scattered everywhere chasing any truck of any kind to extort. It's not very easy. I have work in up to 5 states, moving formworks around might be harder. Imagine driving formwork from Enugu to Ondo state, the money you spend on logistics wont be funny.

And again, how many sets of formworks will I need, as at today, I will be needing wood in Akure, Asaba and Anambra state for 3 different ongoing construction stages of work, management of the form works in 3 states would have given me more headache than the work itself, else, I will need about 3 sets of formworks and a dedicated crew of workers to be moving them.

But there's something we are missing, the resale value of those wood used on that decking is also high, I can reuse those decking wood in the lintels, or leave them intact and reuse them in the second decking. Sometimes, I use some wood thrice before they spoil. So the cost of wood for that decking will give me some savings in the subsequent stages.

twinskenny:
Open kitchen yah or nay?

I guess understanding Nigerians way of cooking and way of life
You will have a second kitchen outside

sonnie10:

Pre fabricated materials and buildings are also done in the USA. Just that they don’t make so much noise for simple things like that.
I can count how many buildings and bridges in the last two months that sprung up overnight, which I have seen here. I mean giant buildings, they all used pre fab materials. The only difference with the China thing is that these people took time to do their foundation and soil work and utilities underground.
I will post pictures of a couple of them later when I am able to take pictures of them if I pass by.

All homes build in the US today are pre fabricated 40%
Frames of homes are pre fabricated

See below
At least 1 dead after high-rise condo building partially collapses near Miami Beach

GoodFaith:


I guess understanding Nigerians way of cooking and way of life
You will have a second kitchen outside

Lol

While we are still vilifying the chinese building code, a high rise just collapsed in Miami, USA. While many of the shitty structures in china are still standing.

kopell:
Abdul. I’m surprised to read some of your comments yesterday, those comments shouldn’t be coming from somebody like you with vice experience in construction industry. You even go as far saying you won’t live in home like that haba, with all your experience? Won’t you live in one ☝️ Of this

Please any one knows where i can get very good and quality internal flush doors? The quotes I have gotten ehnn . please my budget is 80k max. Also where to get Italian internal doors? The ones I saw that I liked, we have to break wall to attach the frames. Tiles have been fixed already and I no get extra money to spend. Please point me in the right direction. Thanks

gordonbarrett:
While we are still vilifying the chinese building code, a high rise just collapsed in Miami, USA. While many of the shitty structures in china are still standing.

Sh*t just got real.

A scary cantilever or I’m becoming a chicken in my old age.

Just know that it won't be a new business entry into the industry.

A few of those companies already exists at different levels in the industry, particularly in the Lagos market. The issue is that most can't scale and they're really not necessarily cheaper at the end of the day.

If you take a wholistic view of your project, formwork/metal shutter hire in any form is not cheaper. The thing is that people just let you the customer take a myopic view when doing comparison.

I think I came here in Dec/Jan looking for shutters to hire and offered a typical job to be used for comparison sake. In reality, i found out that the price-setters adjusted their prices upward to match the general increase in building materials. And those are shutters they've had in inventory.
We tried shutters for that stage of the project and it wasn't sustainable for the remainder. We've since gone back to buying new or neatly used plywood/marine boards.

They are also not always neater than your plywood. Some deformed shutters leaves you with bulge worse than planks.

diordaves:


I agree with you. Logistic and storage is a challenge in the short term but not insurmountable. Formwork, shuttering/scaffolding is a dedicated stand-alone business for builders to tap into. The country needs a dedicated formwork/shuttering and equipment hire businesses that the builders can approach for hire. If I happen to live full time in Nigeria like Egun, this is one business I will have a serious look at. The construction business in Nigeria is crying for one.

megacontrol:
To give some perspective to support your last paragraph...

I bought some neatly used plywood from various sources at a fraction of the market value, used them multiple times (some twice, others 3x) and can still easily sell them or continue to reuse.

At the end of the day, it is more cost effective to buy (even for the ones i bought at full cost) wood than hire shutters/formwork unless you own the formwork.

Guys should not get it twisted cos most of the time they're not being told the full gist to make a fair comparison.

I disagree with you but I have running stomach

twinskenny:
Open kitchen yah or nay?

Yay.

gordonbarrett:
While we are still vilifying the chinese building code, a high rise just collapsed in Miami, USA. While many of the shitty structures in china are still standing.

The question is, how many of these buildings falls in last 100 years? Many of these buildings in this part of world are over 120 years old especially in many major cities.

GoodFaith:


I guess understanding Nigerians way of cooking and way of life
You will have a second kitchen outside

We and frying frying
pepper pepper

Onion cutting galore

Visitors won't be able to concentrate in the living part of the house when cooking is ongoing.

We are peculiar, let's live our peculiarity.

Make una end this argument nah.

Na wah oh

Hahaha.

Use flagyl or agbo.

BTW, I've used both this year alone.

EgunMogaji2:


I disagree with you but I have running stomach

praise010:
Make una end this argument nah.

Na wah oh

Hahaha, no be argument oooo is part of learning. Hoya call the class captain baba Egun to write those noisemakers name down for Hajji.

Can i get a rough estimate of removal of old tiles and installation of new tile in 4 bedroom bungalow?

sirxbit:
Can i get a rough estimate of removal of old tiles and installation of new tile in 4 bedroom bungalow?

square meter will determine that

twinskenny:
Open kitchen yah or nay?

Open planned kitchen is a popular concept at least in the UK. People don't want to be locked up in the kitchen cooking cut off from the rest of the family. Some people (families) like to be cooking and interacting with the rest of the family and kids as well and possibly watching TV at the same time. Hence open planned. It is also an effective solution for small cramped flats. Open plan gives an optical sense of space and with a high ceiling (headroom) the effect can be dramatic in a small cramped flat.

However, there is a drawback to the concept. All the cooking overtime will settle on the soft furnishing in the living room. No amount of aerating or extraction will do. The living room will have a peculiar smell. In packed London trains, we always know those passengers with open plan kitchens, their jackets will be smelling food, food. It is not funny.

Nay for me. I would rather have a separate living room and kitchen dinner.

sirxbit:
Can i get a rough estimate of removal of old tiles and installation of new tile in 4 bedroom bungalow?

you need to state the dimensions of your rooms, kitchen, sitting room, toilets, dinning, lobby, entrance lobby, to get accurate numbers of tiles you will need, nobody can help you without all this dimensions, and if you have library, game room or office in this building you need to state it with dimensions to get accuracy.

Hope this help you sir

sonnie10:


Oga spyder880, where you dey buy 16mm for less than 7200?
Even the 1 x 12 planks for 1300? The price is about 1900.
You even quoted 12mm for lesss than 4200 This estimate might not be too long ago but the price you have there are no longer obtainable.

That was the prices I bought them before the last increase that took rods to above N7,000. This was about early may this year.

megacontrol:
Just know that it won't be a new business entry into the industry.

A few of those companies already exists at different levels in the industry, particularly in the Lagos market. The issue is that most can't scale and they're really not necessarily cheaper at the end of the day.

If you take a wholistic view of your project, formwork/metal shutter hire in any form is not cheaper. The thing is that people just let you the customer take a myopic view when doing comparison.

I think I came here in Dec/Jan looking for shutters to hire and offered a typical job to be used for comparison sake. In reality, i found out that the price-setters adjusted their prices upward to match the general increase in building materials. And those are shutters they've had in inventory.
We tried shutters for that stage of the project and it wasn't sustainable for the remainder. We've since gone back to buying new or neatly used plywood/marine boards.

They are also not always neater than your plywood. Some deformed shutters leaves you with bulge worse than planks.

Most can't upscale because the pricing is wrong; eventually, the business model is wrong. The Equipment Hire trade is to provide a cheaper alternative than buying out-right. That is the business model. If hiring is more expensive than buying, what's the point? As a business, you will suffer low intermittent patronage and you wouldn't be able to upscale as a result of low petronage. It is the typical Nigerian upside-down way of doing things. I was shocked to read here that someone hired a mixer for 25k a day. How much is a new mixer. So if I have a mixing project for more than one week, I will buy a mixer then. In most situations, Nigeria no make sense.

The business needs someone to come in and do it properly. Not fly by night pretenders.

diordaves:


Open planned kitchen is a popular concept at least in the UK. People don't want to be locked up in the kitchen cooking cut off from the rest of the family. Some people (families) like to be cooking and interacting with the rest of the family and kids as well and possibly watching TV at the same time. Hence open planned. It is also an effective solution for small cramped flats. Open plan gives an optical sense of space and with a high ceiling (headroom) the effect can be dramatic in a small cramped flat.

However, there is a drawback to the concept. All the cooking overtime will settle on the soft furnishing in the living room. No amount of aerating or extraction will do. The living room will have a peculiar smell. In packed London trains, we always know those passengers with open plan kitchens, their jackets will be smelling food, food. It is not funny.

Nay for me. I would rather have a separate living room and kitchen dinner.

Wow. I love this writeup.
I cannot really encourage an open kitchen.
Kitchen is like a factory.
It's a peculiar part of the house.

diordaves:


Open planned kitchen is a popular concept at least in the UK. People don't want to be locked up in the kitchen cooking cut off from the rest of the family. Some people (families) like to be cooking and interacting with the rest of the family and kids as well and possibly watching TV at the same time. Hence open planned. It is also an effective solution for small cramped flats. Open plan gives an optical sense of space and with a high ceiling (headroom) the effect can be dramatic in a small cramped flat.

However, there is a drawback to the concept. All the cooking overtime will settle on the soft furnishing in the living room. No amount of aerating or extraction will do. The living room will have a peculiar smell. In packed London trains, we always know those passengers with open plan kitchens, their jackets will be smelling food, food. It is not funny.

Nay for me. I would rather have a separate living room and kitchen dinner.

I clearly understand open concept kitchen or house
I have worked on open concept taking down walls
for Nigerians their house smell the food of the day
Personal I don't like smelling food in my house
Some houses have a very good kitchen fan that can help