Official doctrine by WTBS is that before Jesus came to earth he was Michael, on earth he was Jesus and when returned to heaven He became Michael again. You begin to wonder the difference between this believe and the trinity belief that..............

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.............God..........man.............God

Michael................Jesus...............Michael

achorladey:


You could have added since calling the dead with an archangel's voice means Jesus is an Archangel. Therefore, Jesus calling the dead with God's trumpet should equally allow them to see Jesus as ALMIGHTY GOD.

Achorladey fake, DUBIOUS analogy.

Moses used God's finger at Pharaoh's palace, is Moses God Almighty?
Why would Jesus use of God's trumpet make him God Almighty?

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself.

Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-9, 1 Thess4:16, Genesis 3:15, "the seed", Jesus Christ the Archangel,son of God leading other angels/sons of God in battle to defeat "the serpent", Satan.

1 Thess 4:16 & John 5:28-29, whose voice raise the dead?
Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Confirmed biblical truth.
Trinitarians knew the truth since 1599.

achorladey:
Official doctrine by WTBS is that before Jesus came to earth he was Michael, on earth he was Jesus and when returned to heaven He became Michael again. You begin to wonder the difference between this believe and the trinity belief that..............

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.............God..........man.............God

Michael................Jesus...............Michael

God didn't not, NEVER manifest in the flesh.
Shame on you quoting a fake scripture.

Genuine Scripture:
"He was manifest in the flesh"

Terah knew his son is Abram.

In another place, Terah's son's other name is Abraham.
Roger that.

true2god:
Your point 2, which the JWs use as the only prove of Jesus being an angel, is false and never supported by any other verse of the scripture. If you quote the verse completely, without omitting the 2nd statement in the same verse, you will end up exposing your fallacy.

New King James Version
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

1) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout.

2) with the voice of an archangel (the verse says 'an archangel' which means there are more than one archangels)

3) with the trumpet of God (if Jesus is the voice of an archangel, as you claim, he is equally the trumpet of God. You cannot pick and choose what you want from the verse).

My conclusion: Jesus will descend from heaven in company of an archangel, which the bible never specified his name, whose shout (voice) will herald his coming in company of other angels who will blow the trumpet of God. This is a simple English that JWs, and the governing body, had twisted in order to establish a strange and heretical theology.

Side bar:

1) New King James Version (Heb 1:5)
For to which of the angels did He EVER say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? The answer is NONE (angel Michael inclusive).

JWs should stop talking nonsense abeg and read the Bible themselves without following the watchtower script : what the bibe really teaches.

Bros, Since 1599 ,your Trinity mentors says your claim is NOT true.
Have you read Daniel 10:13 & 12:1 in the Geneva Bible ©1599 ?
The Geneva Bible manuscript was used to produce the KJV DECEIVING you


Job 38:1-7
New International Version
The Lord (Jehovah God) Speaks
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job(A) out of the storm.(B) He said:

2 “Who is this that obscures my plans(C)
with words without knowledge?(D)
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.(E)

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?(F)
Tell me, if you understand.(G)
5 Who marked off its dimensions?(H) Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line(I) across it?
6 On what were its footings set,(J)
or who laid its cornerstone(K)—
7 while the morning stars(L) sang together(M)
and all the angels[a](N) shouted for joy?(O)

Footnotes
Job 38:7 Hebrew the sons of God
Bros, Job 38:1-7, did God tell you angels are not his sons?
Your claim on Hebrews 1:5 falls short of scriptural scrutiny


Jesus used the trumpet of God doesn't make him God Almighty.

Exodus 8:19, Moses used the finger of God, does it mean he's God Almighty?

1 Thess 4:16 & John 5:28-29, Jesus voice raises the dead, he's the Archangel leading other angels, 2 Thess 1:7-9 & Matthew 25:31.

Janosky:


God didn't not, NEVER manifest in the flesh.
Shame on you quoting a fake scripture.

Genuine Scripture:
"He was manifest in the flesh"

Terah knew his son is Abram.

In another place, Terah's son's other name is Abraham.
Roger that.

But Michael manifest in the flesh. Yes/No and e be spirit before e come this earth abi? E good make you read well before responding. The scripture cited you called it fake. You shouldn't be attacking it.

Janosky:


Achorladey fake, DUBIOUS analogy.

Moses used God's finger at Pharaoh's palace, is Moses God Almighty?
Why would Jesus use of God's trumpet make him God Almighty?

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself.

Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-9, 1 Thess4:16, Genesis 3:15, "the seed", Jesus Christ the Archangel,son of God leading other angels/sons of God in battle to defeat "the serpent", Satan.

1 Thess 4:16 & John 5:28-29, whose voice raise the dead?
Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael.
Confirmed biblical truth.
Trinitarians knew the truth since 1599.

Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael( attach one bible verse that states so word for word

achorladey:


But Michael manifest in the flesh. Yes/No

Angel manifested in the flesh in the OT & NT. It's ok.

Bros, Roger that.

achorladey:


Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael( attach one bible verse that states so word for word

Bros, Attach one Bible verse that says Achorladey is son of God.

Janosky:


Angel manifested in the flesh in the OT & NT. It's ok.

Bros, Roger that.

In otherwords Michael aka Jesus manifest in the flesh

Janosky:


Bros, Attach one Bible verse that says Achorladey is son of God.

Archangel dey bible, Jesus dey bible, Achorladey no dey bible

achorladey:


Archangel dey bible, Jesus dey bible, Achorladey no dey bible

Achorladey is son of whom?

Janosky:

Achorladey is son of whom?

Please don't allow Achorladey to mess up the thread, when he's done with his jokes and mems he'll take his leave.
Since he feel the Organization is not teaching the truth there's no need worrying him, the name of this organization is Jehovah's Witnesses it's only those who are interested in learning from us that's invited, whoever feels we're wrong should find his level with his or her brethren in da lord!

Janosky:

Achorladey is son of whom?

Achorladey dey Bible? Show word for word

I copied from your post that ...............(Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael) .......show it word for word

You said Achorladey is son of God.................no be me talk am. I don't have to show you word for word.

MaxInDHouse:

Please don't allow Achorladey to mess up the thread, when he's done with his jokes and mems he'll take his leave.
Since he feel the Organization is not teaching the truth there's no need worrying him, the name of this organization is Jehovah's Witnesses it's only those who are interested in learning from us that's invited, whoever feels we're wrong should find his level with his or her brethren in da lord!

Go and read Okcornel and Image123 opening salvo on this thread and see what the thread is all about so far.

MaxInDHouse:


People here don't believe in your Trinity so if you want to establish TRINITY then PRESENT a group of people practicing what TRINITY taught you as true Christianity.
Apart from that there's no room for fruitless arguments Sir!

Okay, so based on the bold above, kindly change your thread topic to show exactly those you are inviting for schooling. It seems its for those who will say Amen to all you say.

Your thread topic is confusing Sir, modify it. I wouldnt have trespassed but your topic deceived me.

MaxInDHouse:


I called for Bible study with respect to a group in mind "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" do you notice the uniqueness of this global family?
If yes then members are here and ready to study God's word with you, with the prospect of knowing how this people have used the Bible to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in their gathering.
But if not then your presence here should be to enlighten JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES with the prospect of directing members to a better performing group, so everyone can now learn the best form of Christianity and the positive results from members of such a group!
That's just the two options you have Sir, otherwise you'll only mess up the thread the same way you and your trinitarian brethren does in all the threads without having anything tangible to PRESENT as true Christianity!

Modify your topic Sir, its ignorantly deceptive. This will help us here. You seem to invite all here but turn around now to claim you invite those who will call you Rabbi . Sorry for that. God's word is superior to all Sir.

Janosky:


Bros, Since 1599 ,your Trinity mentors says your claim is NOT true.
Have you read Daniel 10:13 & 12:1 in the Geneva Bible ©1599 ?
The Geneva Bible manuscript was used to produce the KJV DECEIVING you


Job 38:1-7
New International Version
The Lord (Jehovah God) Speaks
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job(A) out of the storm.(B) He said:

2 “Who is this that obscures my plans(C)
with words without knowledge?(D)
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.(E)

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?(F)
Tell me, if you understand.(G)
5 Who marked off its dimensions?(H) Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line(I) across it?
6 On what were its footings set,(J)
or who laid its cornerstone(K)—
7 while the morning stars(L) sang together(M)
and all the angels[a](N) shouted for joy?(O)

Footnotes
Job 38:7 Hebrew the sons of God
Bros, Job 38:1-7, did God tell you angels are not his sons?
Your claim on Hebrews 1:5 falls short of scriptural scrutiny


Jesus used the trumpet of God doesn't make him God Almighty.

Exodus 8:19, Moses used the finger of God, does it mean he's God Almighty?

1 Thess 4:16 & John 5:28-29, Jesus voice raises the dead, he's the Archangel leading other angels, 2 Thess 1:7-9 & Matthew 25:31.

Using the screenshot of what you believed to be a traditional view of the person of Christ in 1599 doesn’t make sense and borne out of desperation and deceit. Aside from the fact that what you screenshot is currently against the teachings of the KJV translators (the ANGLICAN CHURCH), the standard you are attempting to create can be used against the watchtower as well. Let me give you some pieces of beliefs that JW hold as truth, as taught and propagated by
Charles Taze Russell the founder of watchtower track and bible society, which are now seen as false teachings:

1) That the holy spirit was a person
2) That Jesus was divine
3) That the celebration of Christmas is ok
4) That the world will end in 1914
5) That old biblical prophet will return to earth in 1935 (Berth Serim). Etc

Most of the teachings above have been jettisoned by JW as false as they claimed that the light has become brighter. The above are your beliefs that you no longer hold onto. I can as well use your old beliefs to validate my argument, the position which you tried to create on your 1599 Anglican Church belief, which have never featured in any Anglican church doctrine.

Now let me go back to the crux of the matter, that is your erroneous claim that Jesus was/is an angel. Hebrews 1:5 have already knocked out that claim. You are free to push Hebrews 1:5 under the bus in order to push WTS ideology. It is not a crime anyway.

You quoted 1 Thessalonian 4:16 to validate your argument but your deceit and desperation was so glaring as you try to choose the sentence, in/from the text, that favours your argument (even though you guys were deliberately misrepresenting the text and reading your theological beliefs into what the text never said). For the sake of clarity let me post it again and expose your folly once more:

New King James Version (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

1) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,

2) with the voice of an archangel,

3) with the trumpet of God.

4) And the dead in Christ will rise first.

The emphases are on 2 and 3. If you claim that Jesus is the one having the voice of an archangel then he should also be the one having the trumpet of God. You cannot choose one and leave the other. Truthfulness and consistency is key here.
Now answer this question posed by Apostle Paul in Hebrews 1:5 and bring any biblical evidence to the contrary.

1) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

2) What is the relationship between what job said in Job 38:1-7 and what Paul said in Hebrews 1:5?

I need you answer the above questions as short as possible without juxtaposing unrelated biblical verses to confused yourself the more, as dictated to you by the watchtower. Be brief, concise and straightforward in your response to the above questions.

Thank you!

achorladey:


Go and read Okcornel and Image123 opening salvo on this thread and see what the thread is all about so far.

This thread is about what JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization have used the Bible to achieve so far throughout the world. Matthew 5:13-16
It's not whether our teaching is right or wrong, whoever has noticed the uniqueness in this organization is invited to study the book we've used to gather people from all across the globe and turned them into one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers who will never raise weapons against their fellowman. Isaiah 2:2-4
Any other thing is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

hupernikao:

Okay, so based on the bold above, kindly change your thread topic to show exactly those you are inviting for schooling. It seems its for those who will say Amen to all you say.
Your thread topic is confusing Sir, modify it. I wouldnt have trespassed but your topic deceived me.

The topic is self explanatory!

"Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"

So if you think what we teach our members is wrong you only have two options:

First PRESENT a better performing group and then everyone can compare what they're teaching their members with that of JWs since they're better off in practicing Christianity.

Second you ignore since you can't find something better of.


To illustrate imagine people patronizing a big restaurant and the customers are also going about advertising the food being served at this restaurant and people can see how active they are in doing what they knows best.
Do you think it's reasonable for any right thinking person to come up and start complaining about the cook and how the food was prepared, saying it's not well prepared?
Will it not the best to just introduce everyone to a better restaurant so people can compare both the taste and the result in the activities of the consumers?

So it's either you learn from JWs or PRESENT a better performing group with whom people should study the Bible to become fully competent and completely equipped as true Christians!

hupernikao:

Modify your topic Sir, its ignorantly deceptive. This will help us here. You seem to invite all here but turn around now to claim you invite those who will call you Rabbi . Sorry for that. God's word is superior to all Sir.

Study the Bible with the one and only group that's promoting LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in the midst of all those who adhere to their teachings. Matthew 7:16-18
Apostle Paul said "against such a group there is no law!" Galatians 5:22-23

MaxInDHouse:


The topic is self explanatory!

"Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"

So if you think what we teach our members is wrong you only have two options:

First PRESENT a better performing group and then everyone can compare what they're teaching their members with that of JWs since they're better off in practicing Christianity.

This request/question is self-delusional. The watchtower organization is over 100 years but their global membership and acceptance is the lowest among religious zealots worldwide. This alone shows that:

1) Your beliefs/teachings do not resonate with the people.

2) Your method of 'recruiting' new JW members is ineffective.

3) People have come to realize you guys should not be taken seriously hence the stunt in growth of JWs worldwide.

Thank you.

Jesus = Archangel Michael = Firstborn from the dead = beginning of God's creation = Alpha and Omega = The beginning and the end = the judge of dead and the living = Everlasting Father = only begotten Son = Only begotten of the Father = Express Image of invisible God = in him all fullness of Godhead deelleth bodily = creator of visible and invisible, in him all things consist = he created all things including himself= He fills all in all = God

true2god:
This request/question is self-delusional. The watchtower organization is over 100 years but their global membership and acceptance is the lowest among religious zealots worldwide. This alone shows that:
1) Your beliefs/teachings do not resonate with the people.
2) Your method of 'recruiting' new JW members is ineffective.
3) People have come to realize you guys should not be taken seriously hence the stunt in growth of JWs worldwide.
Thank you.

You're most welcome Sir!

The owner who commissioned the work we're doing uttered few statements that i'll implore you to meditate upon:



"And you will be hated by all people on account of my name. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13

"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you" John 15:18-19

"I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" John 17:14

I don't think the master of the job expected high turnout Sir, what he assured his workers is that "no matter how much the workers do in the work, only a few will find what they're saying to be true" Matthew 7:13-14

So thanks for the observation Sir, we are OK with the low turnout because the master has prepared our minds ahead of what you're now seeing! John 16:4, 33

May you have PEACE!

Comment appreciated Sir. Thanks!

MightySparrow:
Jesus = Archangel Michael = Firstborn from the dead = beginning of God's creation = Alpha and Omega = The beginning and the end = the judge of dead and the living = Everlasting Father = only begotten Son = Only begotten of the Father = Express Image of invisible God = in him all fullness of Godhead deelleth bodily = creator of visible and invisible, in him all things consist = he created all things including himself= He fills all in all = God

MaxInDHouse:
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You're most welcome Sir!

The owner who commissioned the work we're doing uttered few statements that i'll implore you to meditate upon:



"And you will be hated by all people on account of my name. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13

"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, for this reason the world hates you" John 15:18-19

"I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world" John 17:14

I don't think the master of the job expected high turnout Sir, what he assured his workers is that "no matter how much the workers do in the work, only a few will find what they're saying to be true" Matthew 7:13-14

So thanks for the observation Sir, we are OK with the low turnout because the master has prepared our minds ahead of what you're now seeing! John 16:4, 33

May you have PEACE!

Jesus was addressing his disciples and not the Jehovah's witnesses. It was the prelude to the prophecy which Jesus gave them in Matthew 24 after which he gave them the great commission for global outreach in Matthew 28 and Act 1.

true2god:

Jesus was addressing his disciples and not the Jehovah's witnesses. It was the prelude to the prophecy which Jesus gave them in Matthew 24 after which he gave them the great commission for global outreach in Matthew 28 and Act 1.

Well what Jesus said is straightforward Sir.

Any group of people experiencing what happened to Jesus is the group producing the same fruit Jesus produced.

They are the most peaceful and peaceloving group the world has ever known {Matthew 5:43-48} they're able to fish out few people in every tribe and nation they get {Matthew 7:13-14} and all those adhering to their teachings become like brothers and sisters globally {John 13:34-35, 17:21-23} vowing never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 26:52

So i don't need anyone to tell me i can SEE for myself that this is the group Jesus was talking about when he said "by their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus preached and taught people in his own country with the greatest miraculous works no one has witnessed before, but the day he was tested nobody remained with him, even his closest confidants (Apostles) all ran away.
But after his resurrection he managed to gather just 500 people out of thousands upon thousands who were flocking round him when he was performing miracles.
Ever since then his words has continued to prove true that we should expect what happened in Noah's day to repeat itself, you people will be busy with life anxieties while his true followers are gathering the few into the Ark! Luke 17:26-27

Please don't feel hurt with what you're hearing i wasn't born as one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but i love the TRUTH and i know majority hate it {John 3:19} so i kept searching until i discovered this group. So don't feel hurt, if you don't like it nobody will force it down your throat!

MaxInDHouse:


Well what Jesus said is straightforward Sir.

Any group of people experiencing what happened to Jesus is the group producing the same fruit Jesus produced.

They are the most peaceful and peaceloving group the world has ever known {Matthew 5:43-48} they're able to fish out few people in every tribe and nation they get {Matthew 7:13-14} and all those adhering to their teachings become like brothers and sisters globally {John 13:34-35, 17:21-23} vowing never to raise weapons against their fellowman! Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 26:52

So i don't need anyone to tell me i can SEE for myself that this is the group Jesus was talking about when he said "by their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16-18

Jesus preached and taught people in his own country with the greatest miraculous works no one has witnessed before, but the day he was tested nobody remained with him, even his closest confidants (Apostles) all ran away.
But after his resurrection he managed to gather just 500 people out of thousands upon thousands who were flocking round him when he was performing miracles.
Ever since then his words has continued to prove true that we should expect what happened in Noah's day to repeat itself, you people will be busy with life anxieties while his true followers are gathering the few into the Ark! Luke 17:26-27

Please don't feel hurt with what you're hearing i wasn't born as one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but i love the TRUTH and i know majority hate it {John 3:19} so i kept searching until i discovered this group. So don't feel hurt, if you don't like it nobody will force it down your throat!

I am not hurt in any way. How am I hurt if you can explain? Not ok to make wrong assumptions.

Jehovah's witnesses never existed 200 years ago and have modified their teachings, and still do today (light getting brighter) to meet today's theological demand. How can you lay claim to absolute truth when your keep changing and modifying your teachings.

You said JWs are the most peace-looking group on earth, who conducted the survey and where did you get that information? That is self-delusion. And FYA, the JW have many pending court cases on child-molestation and breaking up of families, especially if some (or one) of the parties leave the organization. If your sister marry a man who is a J witness but the man decide to leave your organization for another Christian organization, what will be your advice to your sister?

true2god:
I am not hurt in any way. How am I hurt if you can explain? Not ok to make wrong assumptions.
Jehovah's witnesses never existed 200 years ago and have modified their teachings, and still do today (light getting brighter) to meet today's theological demand. How can you lay claim to absolute truth when your keep changing and modifying your teachings.

It's because you're not aware of our heritage!
God's people always advance in their knowledge of God and his purposes.
Do you know that in each generation God has continued to reveal new sacred secrets to his people?
For instance, imagine you're from another nation and you're observing the history of the Israelites. What would you say if someone should tell you that the same God who ordered them to fight and kill their enemies is the one who sent another prophet that's now saying they must love and even pray for their enemies!
So the light is getting brighter as we are getting closer to our salvation. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES don't expect Abel to know what David knew about God, just as we are aware that John the baptist knew more than those before his time, Peter knew much more than John the baptist and Apostle John knew more than the rest of the Apostles all because new information is coming in from our Master, Lord and King everyday.
So it's whoever is willing to adjust himself to the new order from our Commader that's one of us:
"These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb" Revelations 14:4

Whoever gets tired of moving along with the Organization is not fit to be called one of us! Luke 9:62

You said JWs are the most peace-looking group on earth, who conducted the survey and where did you get that information? That is self-delusion. And FYA, the JW have many pending court cases on child-molestation and breaking up of families, especially if some (or one) of the parties leave the organization. If your sister marry a man who is a J witness but the man decide to leave your organization for another Christian organization, what will be your advice to your sister?

Jesus never said we will be at peace with those who will not accept his teachings rather it's a war {Matthew 10:34-36} we will never fight anyone because of our faith {Romans 12:18} but we will stand for our faith no matter what happens.
So there's a difference between someone who maintained his/her stand on what he believes and those FORCING their beliefs on others.
JWs takes everyone around us as neighbours so we don't hate anyone but if you're not one of us we can't share anything sacred with you! Matthew 12:46-49

MaxInDHouse:


This thread is about what JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization have used the Bible to achieve so far throughout the world. Matthew 5:13-16
It's not whether our teaching is right or wrong, whoever has noticed the uniqueness in this organization is invited to study the book we've used to gather people from all across the globe and turned them into one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers who will never raise weapons against their fellowman. Isaiah 2:2-4
Any other thing is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

whoever has noticed the uniqueness in this organization is invited to study the book

This added criteria makes it more interesting.

true2god:
Using the screenshot of what you believed to be a traditional view of the person of Christ in 1599 doesn’t make sense and borne out of desperation and deceit. Aside from the fact that what you screenshot is currently against the teachings of the KJV translators (the ANGLICAN CHURCH), the standard you are attempting to create can be used against the watchtower as well. Let me give you some pieces of beliefs that JW hold as truth, as taught and propagated by
Charles Taze Russell the founder of watchtower track and bible society, which are now seen as false teachings:

1) That the holy spirit was a person
2) That Jesus was divine
3) That the celebration of Christmas is ok
4) That the world will end in 1914
5) That old biblical prophet will return to earth in 1935 (Berth Serim). Etc

Most of the teachings above have been jettisoned by JW as false as they claimed that the light has become brighter. The above are your beliefs that you no longer hold onto. I can as well use your old beliefs to validate my argument, the position which you tried to create on your 1599 Anglican Church belief, which have never featured in any Anglican church doctrine.

Now let me go back to the crux of the matter, that is your erroneous claim that Jesus was/is an angel. Hebrews 1:5 have already knocked out that claim. You are free to push Hebrews 1:5 under the bus in order to push WTS ideology. It is not a crime anyway.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Geneva-Bible.html

Is the Anglican Church doctrine the holy Scriptures ?
Is the Anglican Church the Government of England?

The Anglican Church NEVER at any time disclaimed anything in the Geneva Bible.


Your Trinity mentors agreed that Jesus is Archangel Michael (screenshot evidences).
Ask your Trinity brethren, KNOWMORE56.
He knows Jesus Christ is an angel


Hebrews 1:5, Job 38:7 Bros, Jesus is son of God, are angels sons of God?

John 8:38, Was Jesus present in Job 38:4-7 ?

Jesus- his Father's son.
Angels- his Father's sons.
Jesus & angels are Brothers , his peers in the spiritual realm.
Hebrews 1:9,Almighty Yahweh their God is peerless.

Bros, no DECEIVE yourself.

true2god:


You quoted 1 Thessalonian 4:16 to validate your argument but your deceit and desperation was so glaring as you try to choose the sentence, in/from the text, that favours your argument (even though you guys were deliberately misrepresenting the text and reading your theological beliefs into what the text never said). For the sake of clarity let me post it again and expose your folly once more:

New King James Version (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

1) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,

2) with the voice of an archangel,

3) with the trumpet of God.

4) And the dead in Christ will rise first.

The emphases are on 2 and 3. If you claim that Jesus is the one having the voice of an archangel then he should also be the one having the trumpet of God. You cannot choose one and leave the other. Truthfulness and consistency is key here.
Now answer this question posed by Apostle Paul in Hebrews 1:5 and bring any biblical evidence to the contrary.

1) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

2) What is the relationship between what job said in Job 38:1-7 and what Paul said in Hebrews 1:5?

I need you answer the above questions as short as possible without juxtaposing unrelated biblical verses to confused yourself the more, as dictated to you by the watchtower. Be brief, concise and straightforward in your response to the above questions.

Thank you!

Bros, is Jesus your God of the old testament?
Genesis 16:7-13, Jesus your God of the old testament is the angel who spoke to Hagar


As dictated by your Bible....
Hebrews 1:1-2a, Revelation 1:1, Jesus Christ is his Father's spokesman (Matthew 17:5"Listen to him (my Son", why won't he blow the trumpet of God,his Father

You wey claim (your response to Haddeylium) Archangel accompanied Jesus, where you see am in 1 Thess 4:16?

true2god:
This request/question is self-delusional. The watchtower organization is over 100 years but their global membership and acceptance is the lowest among religious zealots worldwide. This alone shows that:

1) Your beliefs/teachings do not resonate with the people.

2) Your method of 'recruiting' new JW members is ineffective.

3) People have come to realize you guys should not be taken seriously hence the stunt in growth of JWs worldwide.

Thank you.

Jehovah's servants do not & will not tickle your ears with feel good -"if- you-belive-type amen" Fables of men.
Bros, console yourself.