It is an undisputable fact that yorubas were some of the most advanced (if not the most advanced ethnic group before white people came)

Yorubas were making glass before the coming of the white. Here is an excerpt from a research by havard university as quoted by life science

A newly discovered treasure trove of more than 10,000 colorful glass beads, as well as evidence of glassmaking tools, suggests that an ancient city in southwestern Nigeria was one of the first places in West Africa to master the complex art of glassmaking, scientists reported.

https://www.livescience.com/59462-early-glassmaking-west-africa.html

I wonder if TAO11 has more to add.

TAO11:
(1) Binis more civilized than the Yorubas abi what did I just read? Lol.

You finally gave yourself away as a stark ignoramus. I empathize with you.

Anyways, I’d indulge you that you should help your own empty claim by naming one thing in which Bini was “mOrE CiViLiZeD” than Yorubas (or even remotely close to the Yorubas in civilization).

For each aspect of “civilization” you name (and prove) supposedly in favour of Binis over Yorubas, I would reply you with education — free of charge.

(2) Listen, there is a huge and massive difference between the following two things:

(A) A group of people among whom some chose to sometimes go about unclad despite living in a society which has come to the discovery of clothing, or widespread use of clothing.

(B) A group of people who have not yet evolved to the point of wearing clothes at all, or wearing it on a normal widespread scale.

The first instance here relates to the ancient Indian & ancient Egyptian examples you all cited.

The second instance here relates to the classical Igbo & classical Benin examples — at a period of time when their Yoruba counterparts have long evolved to the point of having come up with textile and clothing.


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In fact, one of the images attached by one of your own earlier on this thread shows a clothed person amidst the unclothed ladies. [See attached]

In sum, the knowledge of clothing is a classical index of civilization no matter how uncomfortable your unclothed history makes you feel. Get a grip.

Cc: theFilmtric

U are the ignoramus here.

Whether they wore cloth and decided to move around unclad the bottom line is that unclad people ran a civilization greater than there fully dressed neighbours.
Ur brother said that an unclad nation be it those that have cloth and decided not to wear it can't build a sophisticated civilization and we gave him proof that they did.
Una get sophisticated architecture?

Una get street light like binis?

Una get toilet like binis

Una dey do sanitation

Una get writing system

NAH! So why the noise about art work and cloth?

ZorGBUooeh:
U are chest banging with art

Art wey almost every Nigerian culture get A1

Every southern culture had and was producing every thing u mentioned up there.

Listen to the dynamic of your tone.

Your initial tone: Yoruba has nothing to point to as an index of civilization.

I provided four different indices, you smelt the rat and, and changed your tone as follows:

Okay, okay, okay, you have art; but others too have art. And almost everyone of us got A-1 in art

My Remarks:
(1) I would have thought you will maintain your false energy that Yorubas having no index of civilization.

(2) Is there any reason why you dared not say a word regarding the other index of Yoruba civilization in my examples? Lol.

(3) Most importantly, NOT almost everyone of us got A-1 in arts.

Only the artworks of the Yoruba people were held in such high regards (by art historians) as being able to take a noble comparative stand beside the best ever evolved by the greatest civilizations of Europe, Asia, Egypt, etc.

I cited the words of the experts on this. Did you miss it by chance? Lol.

In sum, making art is not one and the same thing as making great art. The best out of sub-Saharan Africa remains the Yoruba’s arts.

Alafin Oyo wore agbada while Oni of ife tied wrapper at the same era not different eras even till now they do.

Thank you for saying this.

But what you haven’t done is to adduce historical (or contemporary) evidence to prove your word.

It remains only a word of mouth — which is not to be taken seriously by any serious person — if it remains unsubstantiated.

Help yourself to be taken seriously.

Agbada is alien to yorubas. Bini kings wore wrapper and bids same as every southern king.Before coming in contact with northerners alafin and Yoruba's in Oyo wore wrapper till he came in contact with Hausa's,Fulani's,Berbers,Nupes whom introduced him to agbada, horses and some other stuff.As alafin defeated and traded with other interior yoruba's down south he influenced them and they copied there way of life.

Regarding your specific empty claim of Agbada being alien to Yorubas and having been borrowed from the Hausas; what you have successfully done here is to simply repeat yourself. Repetition is NOT proof.

I would wait patiently for you to adduce the historical evidence that proves your wishful words.

Until then, you have only written down words (most people can do that), but you haven’t substantiated your words in any way, shape, or form.

John the Baptist was the first person to fry dodo.

Does my mere writing (or repetition, or expatiation) of these words make it true?

Why do u think the oni moves around with wrapper tied around his shoulder? For fashion or what. While alafin wear agbada and they are both Yoruba kings. The one that claim to be the ancestor of all Yorubas tie wrapper while the one that migrated north wear agbada.

I’m not sure why you thought I must help you with the answer to a question which you should be answering to help your own position.

But anyways to educate you, the Ooni tying a piece of textile around his shoulder has a ‘ritual’ significance.

And the Ooni doesn’t have to do that as frequent as it is been done by the present Ooni.

The past Ooni rarely does that. And the Ooni before the past one hardly does that.

Moreover, wearing agbada is not mutually exclusive to tying a piece of cloth around the shoulder. In fact, the Ooni does both every time he shows up with the cloth tied around his shoulder.

Having answered your question (which I didn’t have to answer), you seem not to realize how your so-called reasoning here demolishes your whole point.

Your claim (without evidence) is that Oyo borrowed agbada from Hausa.

In other words, Oyo had a different clothing style (the Yoruba style; which you insist was wrapper) prior to the agbada borrowing

In a similar vein, you insist that Ife and other Yorubas too used the wrapper prior to the borrowing.

Question:
How come then that OF all Yorubas (Oyo, Ife, Awori, Ekiti, et al.) who all used wrapper prior to the agbada adoption; only Ife retained “wrapper” despite having adopted agbada??

Why doesn’t the Alaafin and the other Yoruba kings also show up with “wrapper” [on their clothes] since they all used “wrapper” earlier??

If your reasoning is to be consistent, then the Alaafin and other Yoruba kings should also adorn wrapper [on top of their clothes] — just like the Ooni — since as you claimed, they all used “wrapper” prior to their agbada adoption.

Something else clearly explains the Ooni exception, and that is the spiritual significance of the Ooni’s style of clothing which he adorns on top of his agbada.

Inconsistency is a key indicator of a failed reasoning. Yorubas did not borrow their agbada from Hausas, as there is no substantive evidence to prove that.

The most reasonable explanation for which there is some proof is that each culture come to their respective use independent of one another.

Some Yoruba's borrowed there culture from the tribe they mingled with.

Of course cultural borrowing is a reality in every culture of the world. That’s not what I’m debunking here.

What I’m debunking here is your specific claim that the Yorubas borrowed their agbada usage from Hausa. No that’s ignorant.

Mind u the point of all this argument is not about Yoruba's

Well, I simply debunked your lies and misinformation on Yoruba history/culture/civilization.

…but its about unclad or semi unclad tribes running great civilization.

No, unclad tribes don’t run no great civilization. I have debunked your false innuendos on that in my foregoing comment.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

Eastlink:
Iwe Irohin was the first newspapers but built by the missionaries to evangelize the Egba people. But you must be clever not to allow that dude divert from the main point, which is ancient civilization.

Igbos can list their ancient innovations as this thread assumes, the Yoruba univited guest should open their own thread and list their ancient civilization rather than act petty.

I don't know when first this and first that of modern times became ancient civilization.

This is one of the reasons most Nigerians blow examinations and had failed to make intellectual marks. The church circulation by Reverend Townsend morphed into publicly circulated newsreel. The first indigenous newspaper was established in 1937.

TAO11:
Listen to the dynamic of your tone.

Your initial tone: Yoruba has nothing to point or as an index of civilization.

I provided four different indices, you smelt the rat and, and changed your tone as follows:

Okay, okay, okay, you have art; but others too have art. And almost everyone of us got A-1 in art

My Remarks:
(1) I would have thought you will maintain your false energy that Yorubas having no index of civilization.

(2) Is there any reason why you dared not say a word regarding the other index of Yoruba civilization in my examples? Lol.

(3) Most importantly, NOT almost everyone of us got A-1 in arts.

Only the artworks of the Yoruba people were held in such high regards (by art historians) as being able to take a noble comparative stand beside the best ever evolved by the greatest civilizations of Europe, Asia, Egypt, etc.

I cited the words of the experts on this. Did you miss it by chance? Lol.

In sum, making art is not one and the same thing as making great art. The best out of sub-Saharan Africa remains the Yoruba’s arts.

Thank you for saying this.

But what you haven’t done is to adduce historical (or contemporary) evidence to prove your word.

It remains only a word of mouth — which is not to be taken seriously by any serious person — if it remains unsubstantiated.

Help yourself to be taken seriously.


Regarding your specific empty claim of Agbada being alien to Yorubas and having been borrowed from the Hausas; what you have successfully done here is to simply repeat yourself. Repetition is NOT proof.

I would wait patiently for you to adduce the historical evidence that proves your wishful words.

Until then, you have only written down words (most people can do that), but you haven’t substantiated your words in any way, shape, or form.

John the Baptist was the first person to fry dodo.

Does my mere writing (or repetition, or expatiation) of these words make it true?

I’m not sure why you thought I must help you with the answer to a question which you should be answering to help your own position.

But anyways to educate you, the Ooni tying a piece of textile around his shoulder has a ‘ritual’ significance.

And the Ooni doesn’t have to do that as frequent as it is been done by the present Ooni.

The past Ooni rarely does that. And the Ooni before the past one hardly does that.

Moreover, wearing agbada is not mutually exclusive to tying a piece of cloth around the shoulder. In fact, the Ooni does both every time he shows up with the cloth tied around his shoulder.

Having answered your question (which I didn’t have to answer), you seem not to realize how your so-called reasoning here demolishes your whole point.

Your claim (without evidence) is that Oyo borrowed agbada from Hausa.

In other words, Oyo had a different clothing style (the Yoruba style; which you insist was wrapper) prior to the agbada borrowing

In a similar vein, you insist that Ife and other Yorubas too used the wrapper prior to the borrowing.

Question:
How come then that OF all Yorubas (Oyo, Ife, Awori, Ekiti, et al.) who all used wrapper prior to the agbada adoption; only Ife retained “wrapper” despite having adopted agbada??

Why doesn’t the Alaafin and the other Yoruba kings also show up with “wrapper” [on their clothes] since they all used “wrapper” earlier??

If your reasoning is to be consistent, then the Alaafin and other Yoruba kings should also adorn wrapper [on top of their clothes] — just like the Ooni — since as you claimed, they all used “wrapper” prior to their agbada adoption.

Something else clearly explains the Ooni exception, and that is the spiritual significance of the Ooni’s style of clothing which he adorns on top of his agbada.

Inconsistency is a key indicator of a failed reasoning. Yorubas did not borrow their agbada from Hausas, as there is no substantive evidence to prove that.

The most reasonable explanation for which there is some proof is that each culture come to their respective use independently.

Of course cultural borrowing is a reality in every culture of the world. That’s not what I’m debunking here.

What I’m debunking here is your specific claim that the Yorubas borrowed their agbada usage from Hausa. No that’s ignorant.

Well, I simply debunked your lies and misinformation on Yoruba history/culture/civilization.

No, unclad tribes don’t run no great civilization. I have debunked your false innuendos on that in my foregoing comment.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

That u guys produce bead is what u call civilization.
Im be like say u don chop belle full this afternoon.


Alafin influenced and taught other Yoruba kings how to wear agbada.Talking of art work most Yoruba old artwork are always depicted as men without shirt on wrapper not agbada.

Infact U are free to believe whatever u wanna believe.Its a free world..I can't keep on lecturing u for free.Bye

ZorGBUooeh:


That u guys produce bead is what u call civilization.
Im be like say u don chop belle full this afternoon.


Alafin influenced and taught other Yoruba kings how to wear agbada.Talking of art work most Yoruba old artwork are always depicted as men without shirt on wrapper not agbada.

Infact U are free to believe whatever u wanna believe.Its a free world..I can't keep on lecturing u for free.Bye

Why u dey run?

ZorGBUooeh:
I am the ignoramus here.

I know.

Whether they wore cloth and decided to move around unclad the bottom line is that unclad people ran a civilization greater than there fully dressed neighbours.

You must be really convinced that you’re about to deceive a toddler. Lol.

(1) A group of ancient people who have evolved to a high point of civilization as to have discovered textile and clothing IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a group of ancient people who have not yet evolved to the point of discovering textile or clothing.

How can anyone think of these two as the same?

(2) Unclad or semi clad people do not run great civilization.

Those ancient Egyptians/Indians are not unclad/semi-clad people.

The predominant paintings and sculptures of Ancient Egyptians/Indians show clearly that they are a people who cannot possibly be imagined as unclad/semi-clad people.

Your screen screenshots of naked people do not show any context at all. Neither can such handful of images (in comparison to the vast corpus of images from those societies showing clothed people) form the basis of thinking that those societies were unclad or semi-clad ones.

Taking a decontextualized image of slave maidens, etc. from an ancient culture as the generic depiction from that society (i.e. an unclad/sami-clad society) is as dumb as taking the photos of present-day western nudists as a generic representation of today’s society.

Ur brother said that an unclad nation be it those that have cloth and decided not to wear it can't build a sophisticated civilization and we gave him proof that they did.

First of all, he didn’t say the bolded in any guise.

Secondly, I am not my brother. In other words, deal with my arguments and the challenge I have given to you and let pointless distractions slide.

Thirdly, unclad/semi-clad people (i.e. those who have not yet evolved to the point of discovering textile or clothing — e.g. the Benins and the Igbos of old) will not have any other index of self-made civilization to point to during that same period of their evolution when they were still unclad/semi-clad.

In other words, the discovery and use of textile is one of the most basic feat in human evolution. Yes it is.

If you can’t reach that, then you can’t reach that which is higher. It is that simple.

Una get sophisticated architecture?

Una get street light like binis?

Una get toilet like binis

Una dey do sanitation

Una get writing system

Another load of crap and ignorance.

Anyways, I didn’t ask you to simply name popular fictional so-called Benin index of civilization from thin air.

Rather, I asked you to name and prove. In other words, cite the historical source.

Don’t just your write out your wishful thoughts which you most probably overheard from some blogs.

Anyways, for every real thing you will return with from actual historical materials, I will educate you with way, way greater equivalent from Yoruba civilization.

Please give real stuffs backed with references. Not your above heap of feel good fictions — some of which are outright falsehoods, and others being wild exaggerations.

NAH! So why the noise about art work and cloth?

No. I have debunked you on these two (even though I forgot to mention clothing in my initial listing of the indices of Yoruba civilization).

Regarding Artwork:
Yorubas have the greatest from black Africa. Nothing else comes close. I cited art historians, et al. to that effect.

Ife produced artworks comparable to anything which ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, and Renaissance Europe had to offer.

Regarding Clothing:
In other words, the discovery and use of textile is one of the most basic feat in human evolution. Yes it is.

If you can’t reach that, you can’t reach that which is higher. It is that simple. And we reached that very early, among other things.

Lastly
Apart for art (in which we top the chart by far), I listed other things as part of the Yoruba civilization index:

(1) Street Paving.

(2) Best architecture in West Africa

(3) Monoply of ancient glass manufacturing industry.

Cheers!

Cc: theFilmtric

Idiko1:


An attempt to be clever makes you look very idiotic. There is no word such as the bolded therefore Ijaw never existed as you would want us to believe. What a dunce.

guy dont destroyed my happy mood today... kanu the Ijaw hater has been arrest..

Notice how you crumbled in the face of evidence and superior ratiocination:

ZorGBUooeh:

That u guys produce bead is what u call civilization. [s]Im be like say u don chop belle full this afternoon[/s]

When the proofs hit hard, a dunce tries to escape with a dry joke.

Yes, the IFE monopoly of glass bead fabrication in sub-Saharan Africa circa 1,000 years ago is not just civilization but a high point of civilization.

I bet you have no clue, in this age, how coral beads are manufactured — let alone how glass beads are fabricated in Ife circa 1,000 years ago.

And the following are the other indices of the Yoruba civilization which I listed, and which seem to be driving you insane:


(1) The best architectural feat found in West Africa.

(2) The best classical artworks (in diverse media) from sub-Saharan Africa.

(3) The knowledge and use of textile/clothing since the classical/ancient times.

(4) The knowledge/presence of street paving in Ife (and other parts of Yorubaland) over 1,000 years ago.


(5) The innovation of a social-order based on a self-evolved government system now known as monarchy.

Among several others, such as writing (as evidenced on the ancient Oranmiyan obelisk); the best bow-men in Africa (as noted by Clapperton’s team); shiny walls (in relation to which the best from Benin could not come close in comparison, as may be seen in H.L. Roth); etc.

Alafin influenced and taught other Yoruba kings how to wear agbada.

May be, may be not.

But whichever is the specific case here, you have still failed to make a case for your earlier claim.

Your earlier claim was that: Agbada was originally borrowed from Hausas.

No! That’s an ignorant falsehood for which there is no substantive evidence whatsoever.

Talking of art work most Yoruba old artwork are always depicted as men without shirt on wrapper not agbada.

Yes, the most ancient Yoruba artworks dating to 700-1,000 years old shows that.

However, my point remains that tying wrapper (around the waist or shoulder) is a simpler & earlier form of Yoruba clothing — as seen in the 700-1000 years old artworks.

While, “agbada” is a more complex and later form of Yoruba clothing.

You are yet to provide any evidence whatsoever to back of your mere claim (an empty claim) that the Yorubas borrowed agbada from Hausa.

No, the Yorubas didn’t. Each of them evolved the use of agbada independent of one another. This is more reasonable and substantive than your empty claim.

Infact U are free to believe whatever u wanna believe.

No. I should tell you this. I have provided evidence and superior ratiocination. You have provided empty repetition without any evidence whatsoever. Get a grip.

Its a free world..I can't keep on lecturing u for free.Bye

If lying to yourself helps you sleep well at night, then lie on.

Anyways, thanks for being the reason why I educated you and others today.

It was good doing business with you.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

Eastlink:
Which Ijaw? Jos or Uzo. Europeans never recorded anything beautiful about your savage ancestors. Their sub-human nature made them unfit to be used as slaves in American plantation. Only a reasonable handful with mix Igbo/Izon blood around the Brass areas where captured by the Nembe royalty to be shipped to the new world.

Bonny, Nembe, Kalabari etc were founded by Igbos before Portuguese porters from Togo came to populate the swamps. While the Oru/Olu and later Aboh had the River Niger down to Bayelsa under their control, the Ndoki, Abam and Aro's were incharge of activities in Bonny and Kalabari (New Calabar). All the Kings with Igbo heritage like the Amachree (Amakiri), Pepple, (From Pepper), ran the trade first with the Abam businessmen before slaves became the mainstay that brought the Aro into the picture.

If you can bring up any colonial research were Izons were appraised in high-esteem I'll give up my claims?

am celebrating the soon death of cownu..

Captain8:
am celebrating the soon death of cownu..

Cheers to that!

TAO1 stop disgracing yourself openly. We know you spend time arguing unfounded historical claims on nairaland, but did you just say that Yoruba tribes evolved the use of Agbada independently? Where did you put the Arabs, Touaregs and Hausa that brought it to you by virtue of the trans-saharan trade? It's on record that Agbada is not indegenious to Nigeria. Agbada is foreign. Touareg/Arab precisely.

https://www.madamankara.com/post/hello-jomo

Eastlink:
Cheers to that!

am celebrating with my people here o.... the news sweet me die..

Eastlink:
TAO1

There is a reason why you’re dead-scared to mention my moniker.

That’s obvious enough to all and sundry that you have no clue what you’re about to debate me on.

[s]stop disgracing yourself openly. We know you spend time arguing unfounded historical claims on nairaland, but did you just say that Yoruba tribes evolved the use of Agbada independently? Where did you put the Arabs, Touaregs and Hausa that brought it to you by virtue of the trans-saharan trade? It's on record that Agbada is not indegenious to Nigeria. Agbada is foreign. Touareg/Arab precisely.

https://www.madamankara.com/post/hello-jomo[/s]

First of all, a blog write-up (like the one whose link you pasted here) is not what scholars regard as historical evidence. I doubt if you knew that.

Secondly, your brother’s claim (for which there is no substantive historical evidence from you or him) is that the Yorubas borrowed “agbada” from Hausas.

In reply to this I said, each of them came to its use independent of one another.

You clearly have no clue what my position is, let alone refute it, and doing so with historical evidence.

Accept your fate.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

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PS:
I could have dived into the great details of analyzing
how crucial details in that blog are historical flawed.

However, the fact that it is a blog is enough “flaw” to save me the stress of such analysis.

TAO11:
Notice how you crumbled in the face of evidence and superior ratiocination:

When the proofs hit hard, a dunce tries to escape with a dry joke.

Yes, the IFE monopoly of glass bead fabrication in sub-Saharan Africa circa 1,000 years ago is not just civilization but a high point of civilization.

I bet you have no clue, in this age, how coral beads are manufactured — let alone how glass beads are fabricated in Ife circa 1,000 years ago.

And the following are the other indices of the Yoruba civilization which I listed, and which seem to be driving you insane:


(1) The best architectural feat found in West Africa.

(2) The best classical artworks (in diverse media) from sub-Saharan Africa.

(3) The knowledge and use of textile/clothing since the classical/ancient times.

(4) The knowledge/presence of street paving in Ife (and other parts of Yorubaland) over 1,000 years ago.


(5) The innovation of a social-order based on a self-evolved government system now known as monarchy.

Among several others, such as writing (as evidenced on the ancient Oranmiyan obelisk); the best bow-men in Africa (as noted by Clapperton’s team); shiny walls (in relation to which the best from Benin could not come close in comparison, as may be seen in H.L. Roth); etc.

May be, may be not.

But whichever is the specific case here, you have still failed to make a case for your earlier claim.

Your earlier claim was that: Agbada was originally borrowed from Hausas.

No! That’s an ignorant falsehood for which there is no substantive evidence whatsoever.


Yes, the most ancient Yoruba artworks dating to 7,00-1,000 years old shows that.

However, my point remains that tying wrapper (around the waist or shoulder) is a simpler & earlier form of Yoruba clothing — as seen in the 700-1000 years old artworks.

While, “agbada” is a more complex and later form of Yoruba clothing.

You are yet to provide any evidence whatsoever to back of your mere claim (an empty claim) that the Yorubas borrowed agbada from Hausa.

No, the Yorubas didn’t. Each of them evolved the use of agbada independent of one another. This is more reasonable and substantive than your empty claim.

No. I should tell you this. I have provided evidence and superior ratiocination. You have provided empty repetition without any evidence whatsoever. Get a grip.


If lying to yourself helps you sleep well at night, then lie on.

Anyways, thanks for being the reason why I educated you and others today.

It was good doing business with you.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

Ur granny dunce

Lier....When it comes to the best architecture in west africa give it to the westernmost west Africans like Mali,gambia,burkinafaso, Ghana(ancient Ghana) not todays ghana and Senegal.

Look I don't have time to reply all the crap u wrote.

All ur yoruba's have the best architecture,street bla bla bla.

Infact U guys discovered textile,u tot god how to wear cloth.

I have told u wot I told u...ur ancestors tied wrapper..And semi clad cultures like the nubians,cushites and co were more civilized than there arab neigbours..So get lost

And Pls don't thank me for educating u.

I said a form of democracy not the very liberal democracy we practice today.

thebosstrevor1:


Now you are shifting goal post. Trying to generalise after you claimed that Jesus christ was from an hunter gathering society that ended up revolutionizing the world. When in reality he was an pastoralists lineage

Jesus Christ! It's either you're dumb or you're still dumb. I never said Jesus came from a hunter gatherer society. I even said farmer society.

And if you've noticed people with the hunter gatherer behavior in farmer societies are the ones who usually revolutionize the world example Albert Einstein and Jesus Christ.

siofra:


Jesus Christ! It's either you're dumb or you're still dumb. I never said Jesus came from a hunter gatherer society. I even said farmer society.

Your master Nnamdi kanu have been caught so i will excuse the abuses and your rants....i know you are grieving accept my sympathy

You didn't mention he came from a pastoral linage, you clearly wrote that people with the hunter gatherer behavior in farmer society, is that not confusion??

Hunter gathering behavior in a horticultural society, does it even make sense.

You can clearly see that you are dumb.

ZorGBUooeh:
Ur granny dunce

Lier....

You must be the dunce at least for your spelling disability.

When it comes to the best architecture in west africa give it to the westernmost west Africans like Mali,gambia,burkinafaso, Ghana(ancient Ghana) not todays ghana and Senegal.

You seem to have a short memory.

Unlike you, I don’t make up statements based on how I feel or my wishful imagination; rather I quote statements from source materials of eyewitnesses.

I quoted this and I would do so again as you see below:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

~ L. Frobenius, “Voice of Africa,” page 153.

Look I don't have time to reply all the crap u wrote.

All ur yoruba's have the best architecture,street bla bla bla.

Yes street paving dating to c.900 CE NOT “street bla bla bla.”

Yes best architecture (at least better than any in the then Nigeria region) as cited above.

Don’t feign dumb or amnesiac this time around, okay? Lol.

Infact U guys discovered textile,u tot god how to wear cloth.

No we didn’t discover textile for the whole world, but we did at least for much of the ancient Middle-Eastern world, among others.

Ancient Ife’s silk textile fashioned from local worms, as well as its cotton and raffia cloth was one of its product in the larger ancient global trading network.

In fact, Ife was part of the famous classical East-West Silk road.

~ S. P. Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300,” p. 6.

I have told u wot I told u...ur ancestors tied wrapper.

Of course they did 700 - 1000 years ago, as the thermoluminescence dates of the “bronze” casts show.

In addition, they also came to the independent usage (independent of Hausa’s) of other clothing styles (i.e. Agbada) later on in the course of our history.

And semi clad cultures like the nubians,cushites and co were more civilized than there arab neigbours..So get lost

And no, the Cushites, Nubians were not semi-clad people.

Semi-clad people’s who are not capable of making clothes can not possibly invent or discover more complex innovations than cloths.

And Pls don't thank me for educating u.

Of course I don’t thank people just because they have mere dreams.

Cheers!
Cc: the Filmtric.
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PS:
For the sake of summary and helping your amnesia, the following are the indices of Yoruba civilization which I had touched on:

(1) The best architectural feat found in the West of Africa.

(2) The best classical artworks (in diverse media) from sub-Saharan Africa.

(3) The knowledge and use of textile/clothing since the classical/ancient times.

(4) The knowledge/presence of street paving in Ife (and other parts of Yorubaland) over 1,000 years ago.

(5) The innovation of a social-order based on a self-evolved government system now known as monarchy.

Among several others, such as writing (as evidenced on the ancient Oranmiyan obelisk); the best bow-men in Africa (as noted by Clapperton’s team); shiny walls (in relation to which the best from Benin could not come close in comparison, as may be seen in H.L. Roth); etc.

Cheers!

thebosstrevor1:


Your master Nnamdi kanu have been caught so i will excuse the abuses and your rants....i know you are grieving accept my sympathy

You didn't mention he came from a pastoral linage, you clearly wrote that people with the hunter gatherer behavior in farmer society, is that not confusion??

Hunter gathering behavior in a horticultural society, does it even make sense.

You can clearly see that you are dumb.

I won't spend my time explaining things to a fool. If you like understand, if you like don't understand warris my business.

I'm not ibo by the way.

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Olodo show us the Yoruba ancient magnificent structure na?lols

Is nupe Yoruba

But ancient magnificent structures thatz still standing till now can be found in Mali and co.

I won't respond to ur textile nonsense cos u are still yarning same old dust.

Mr op even showed u ancient Igbo structures and how neat and and organized they were... Abeg show us any picture of the Yoruba magnificent building let's campare it with others.If not dont qoute me again cos u are trying to hold on to straws.

siofra:


I won't spend my time explaining things to a fool. If you like understand, if you like don't understand warris my business.

I'm not ibo by the way.

I don't need your explanation, you didn't make sense.

Funny how it went from a normal banter to an abuse match..coming from a " civilized person " that can take other people opinion

thebosstrevor1:


I don't need your explanation, you didn't make sense.

Funny how it went from a normal banter to an abuse match..coming from a " civilized person " that can take other people opinion

But you're a fool na, it's not an insult I'm describing you.

siofra:


But you're a fool na, it's not an insult I'm describing you.

Whatever name and abuse that makes you happy and sleep well at night

Don't think i will follow you down your road.

I gat no time to be exchanging words online with an unknown person that lives in Etta Agbo

ZorGBUooeh:
Olodo show us the Yoruba ancient magnificent structure na?lols

There wasn’t anything called photograph in ancient times. Did you know that?

Is nupe Yoruba

And where did you get the idea from that Nupe is Yoruba?

I can only imagine how soaked in tears you are right now now.

Since your problem have now been reduced to English disability, I will quote Frobenius’ actual words again, and then dumb down the English for you:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

~ L. Frobenius, “Voice of Africa,” page 153

To dumb down this foregoing BiG gRaMmEr for you, L. Frobenius is saying that:

“Only a few Nupé compounds are magnificent. If we set aside these few Nupé compounds, only the Yorubas (of all the peoples in the west of Africa) have better architecture than the Nupé.”

Let that sink in for a second, before you let the tears out.

But ancient magnificent structures thatz still standing till now can be found in Mali and co.

Perhaps ancient structures which survived to the present-day because they were stone-built, rather adobe-built.

Mr op even showed u ancient Igbo structures and how neat and and organized they were...

You’re clearly a dunce.

The images attached by your brother are buildings photographed in the mid/late-1900s.

See 1st & 2nd attachments below for two examples (with dates) from your brother’s own attachments.

Does your brain NOT tell you there are no photographs in ancient times?

Does your brain NOT tell you that a structure built of adobe or wood from ancient times can not survive up to the 1900s — to have been captured by photograph?

In fact, you should be ashamed for the Igbo race that those are the best structures that ndi-Igbos can boast of from the mid/late-1900s.

Abeg show us any picture of the Yoruba magnificent building let's campare it with others.If not dont qoute me again cos u are trying to hold on to straws.

If I show you the ’best’ Yoruba structures from the same period as your brother’s ‘best’ Igbo structures, i.e. from the mid/late 1900s, you will weep for the Igbo race.

Anyways, I will actually show it to you so you can weep.

See 3rd & 4th attachments below for two examples of Yoruba structures (from the same period) as your brother’s own attachment.

Cheers!
Cc: theFilmtric

The tribalism on Nairaland equates with racism. Why can't you guys establish a separate thread extolling the Yorubas or Ijaw instead of derailing this one? You should be ashamed of yourselves, please.