donstan18:

Muller is a world class player.

He’s good.

He was very good. But now he’s not quite as good. He doesn’t deliver anymore in high stakes matches like he used to.

He was found wanting when Bayern needed to qualify for the semis against PSG and he hardly scores for his country anymore like he used to.

He’s diminishing. Of course he can rack up stats in the farmer’s league tho

swiz123:


I know your hatred for Havertz will make you compare him to a clown like Saka. I won't indulge you on Kross and Rice... I am not mad

not exactly hatred, he accepted an L for underating havertz, turns around to underrate him again

Typical of most people here, they don't have opinions of their own, they follow the herd

Allow sheep to be sheep


His approval or disapproval doesn't change reality, he is only revealing the kind of man that he is

Rashford better than Mbappe.

Kroos not better than Rice.

Kroos a world cup winner and champions league winner with Bayern should do it without Ronaldo.


This place stinks sometimes

Havertz10:
not exactly hatred, he accepted an L for underating havertz, turns around to underrate him again

Typical of most people here, they don't have opinions of their own, they follow the herd

Allow sheep to be sheep


His approval or disapproval doesn't change reality, he is only revealing the kind of man that he is

Don't mistake play play for lack of conviction.

When I say I accept L, I say it in the spirit of banter nothing else.

Which L does Havertz want to serve from striking position, when as early as September last year I realised that was the only position the guy could realistically make an impact in.

Since Muller started struggling to score goals for Germany in top competitions they have suffered and performed poorly.

nihilistjnr:


Finished?

Bayern fans were delighted to get rid of him in his 'prime'



Go to Bayern thread and check the posts from 2014.

Prime Kroos of Madrid was better than Kroos of Baryen.

Saying he was long finished because of how he played in Bayern before Madrid is same as saying Depay and DiMaria were long finished because of how they played in ManU.

Eg. Harvertz is an embarrassment, a disgrace and big flop in Chelsea, but watching him in Euro, you’ll agree with me that he looks like a player that will excel in Bayern.

I hope you get what I mean thou..

Liposure:
Ukraine upset sweden. You can't just write them off like that

Sweden never reach level wey dem dey upset.

Capaldi:
Rashford better than Mbappe.

Kroos not better than Rice.

Kroos a world cup winner and champions league winner with Bayern should do it without Ronaldo.


This place stinks sometimes

There's a reason why we said he should do it on his own first let's see.

The UCL that you say Kroos won, he got injured in the 1st leg of the quarterfinals against Juve....infact he got injured in the 16th minute of the first half....and he would not play football again for the rest of the season.

So man missed out on half the 1st half of the first leg of qf, missed all the 2nd half, missed the whole return leg, missed 2 legs of semifinals and missed the whole finals.

But Capaldi will come and say Kroos is a UCL winner with Bayern.

Bros I'm not discussing sickbay medal with you here.

If Kroos is that good, let him do it on his own let us see. That 2014, Manuel Neuer, a goalie, came 3rd in Balon d'Or ranking. In 2019, Modric his fellow CM who won all the UCLs with him and didn't even have the decency to win the world cup collected Balon d'Or.

Let Kroos do it on his ones and stop hiding behind team effort, and then we can talk.

popizaino:



Pochettino has been in England long enough before pep Guardiola but we didn't see this sort of improvement from the NT until pep arrived.

Most of England stars, pochettinno made them.
Walker, trippier, Kane, dele Alli (tho no longer around). That's the foundation England built on to become who they are. Who did pep produce for NT. Lemme just dash him sterling (that's only cos he improved in Manchester city).

Like someone says, the NT is playing more like Chelsea than man city and that's true and I no see any input of Pep handiwork for there. Make we no dash pep accolades for this one. E no go fly lai lai

Even the WC 2018 no get any touch of pep too

airmark:


Popizaino is already preparing to tell us that Fraudiola made Foden, Sterling, Stones, Kane, Grealish to win Euros for England.

When you look at other variables from other countries you will know pep Guardiola's hand is written all over this english side .

Debruyne for Belgium
Zinchenko for Ukraine

donstan18:

Prime Kroos of Madrid was better than Kroos of Baryen.

Saying he was long finished because of how he played in Bayern before Madrid is same as saying Depay and DiMaria were long finished because of how they played in ManU.

Eg. Harvertz is an embarrassment, a disgrace and big flop in Chelsea, but watching him in Euro, you’ll agree with me that he looks like a player that will excel in Bayern.

I hope you get what I mean thou..

Na lie.

Kroos was fortunate to be playing with some of the greatest footballers in the history of the game.

Look at some of the UCLs that were won by Kroos, and you will see that certain players individually won those tournaments for Madrid. Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos and Bale in particular.

Morata too will be shouting his a two time UCL winner with Madrid, and his great grandkids might not realise that he won those as an attache to the greatest striker of the modern era

Busquet Carryalong
Kroos Carryalong
Casemiro with no Balon dor and no fifpro world 11 Carryalong
Varane Carryalong
Benzema Carryalong
Iniesta Carryalong
Neymar was carried by Messi in 2015 (Neymar carryalong)


AgberoFc are the best

TheLequte:


He was very good. But now he’s not quite as good. He doesn’t deliver anymore in high stakes matches like he used to.

He was found wanting when Bayern needed to qualify for the semis against PSG and he hardly scores for his country anymore like he used to.

He’s diminishing. Of course he can rack up stats in the farmer’s league tho

Muller is a world class player and not an OK player. He scored PSG, he had 35+ G/A last season. He's 30 if not more, how can you say he's not that good again?

When last did he bang 35+ G/A a season? Bruv we are talking about Muller of Bayern here, hope you know?

Trevor012:
Busquet carryalong
Kroos carryalong
Casemiro with no Balon dor and no fifpro world 11 carryalong
Varane carryalong
Benzema carryalong


AgberoFc are the best

They won 3 UCL's back to back until Ororo left and Ramos got old

And then Pulisic and Werner that can't score monkey post suddenly decided it's Madrid post they will score.

Rest abeg

nihilistjnr:


Na lie.

Kroos was fortunate to be playing with some of the greatest footballers in the history of the game.

Look at some of the UCLs that were won by Kroos, and you will see that certain players individually won those tournaments for Madrid. Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos and Bale in particular.

Morata too will be shouting his a two time UCL winner with Madrid, and his great grandkids might not realise that he won those as an attache to the greatest striker of the modern era

Is it safe to say all Madrid players aside Ramos, Ronaldo, Modric and Bale are "okay" players?

nihilistjnr:


They won 3 UCL's back to back until Ororo left and Ramos got old

And then Pulisic and Werner that can't score monkey post suddenly decided it's Madrid post they will score.

Rest abeg

So Ororo how many champions league titles Semi final has he taken his new club to

donstan18:

Is it safe to say all Madrid players aside Ramos, Ronaldo, Modric and Bale are "okay" players?

To be honest, all you need to be a winning team is a few okay players, and one or two world class talent.

This concept is true from coaltar to the bernabeu. Madrid galactico era was dismantled post 2014 and Ramos, Ronaldo, Bale, Marcelo and Modric essentially carried Madrid for the most part, Ororo especially.

Start with 2014 and look at the squad that played in UCL final, and look progressively at the team, and tell me who else was a game changer there.

Trevor012:

So Ororo how many champions league titles Semi final has he taken his new club to

You should be ashamed of yourself for asking how many semifinals a 36 year old is playing.

How many of his age mates did you see in UCL semifinals?

The things we read here sha

nihilistjnr:


You should be ashamed of yourself for asking how many semifinals a 36 year old is playing.

How many of his age mates did you see in UCL semifinals?

Sorry scratch semi final . How many times has he left round of 16 since leaving Madrid

nihilistjnr:


To be honest, all you need to be a winning team is a few okay players, and one or two world class talent.

This concept is true from coaltar to the bernabeu. Madrid galactico era was dismantled post 2014 and Ramos, Ronaldo, Bale, Marcelo and Modric essentially carried Madrid for the most part, Ororo especially.

Start with 2014 and look at the squad that played in UCL final, and look progressively at the team, and tell me who else was a game changer there.

Kroos isn’t a world class player but you can’t call him “Carry Along”. Not the Kroos that played with Modric and Casemiro during those Ucl wins, the Kroos that dismantled Brazil’s midfield and defense in 2014 World Cup, it's okay to call him a good player, but a “Carry along”? No, he’s not.

Mount isn’t a world class player, he didn’t give world class contributions to Chelsea’s Ucl win, but will you call him “Carry along”? No!!

Kroos was so GOOD and important to all the teams I watched him, but not anymore, reason I called him a finished player.

Ronaldo left Madrid to Juventus


Juventus.... Round of 16

Juventus..... Round of 16 again


Madrid:..... Round of 16

Madrid.......Semi final

Your Mcm can't even leave the round of 16

Exonerate1:
The things we read here sha

He shock you too . One said Kroos is not world class. My belle o

donstan18:

No be only Greece, people wey England go pummel craze comot their body.

Yea, just like England pummel crase comot for Iceland body last Euro...

popizaino:



When you look at other variables from other countries you will know pep Guardiola's hand is written all over this english side .

Debruyne for Belgium
Zinchenko for Ukraine

This examples no be am at all.
If you wanna give a coach accolades for developing a national team, you look at the players from his club that are mainstays in the team. Just 1 or two players doesn't cut it.

If it's 2010 world cup win, I can give pep that one cos of xavi iniesta busquet pique puyol. And also how they played. That one is great.

Not just nit picking one or two players (like in the case of zichenko-ukraine here) and say it's the touch of pep.
For where?

timbros:


Yea, just like England pummel crase comot for Iceland body last Euro...

Then Germany this Euro..

Trevor012:

He shock you too . One said Kroos is not world class. My belle o

Kroos carry along
Rice more quality than Muller.

No be only rice na bean

All these things na because England Beat Germany

donstan18:

Then Germany this Euro..

Oh, Germany dey Ukraine, Sweden, Iceland, Greece levels?

Na so...

timbros:


Oh, Germany dey Ukraine, Sweden, Iceland, Greece levels?

Na so...

Yea, didn’t qualify the group’s stage of the last major tournament, couldn’t win more than one game in this Euro but conceded 7 goals.

I wonder how they are better than Ukraine.

nihilistjnr:


Finished?

Bayern fans were delighted to get rid of him in his 'prime'



Go to Bayern thread and check the posts from 2014.

While Chelsea fans where begging for him

donstan18:

Kroos isn’t a world class player but you can’t call him “Carry Along”. Not the Kroos that played with Modric and Casemiro during those Ucl wins, the Kroos that dismantled Brazil’s midfield and defense in 2014 World Cup, it's okay to call him a good player, but a “Carry along”? No, he’s not.

Mount isn’t a world class player, he didn’t give world class contributions to Chelsea’s Ucl win, but will you call him “Carry along”? No!!

Kroos was so GOOD and important to all the teams I watched him, but not anymore, reason I called him a finished player.

I think you've missed my point completely and are arguing something else.

I said Kroos is not good enough to summarily dismiss Rice in a discussion about DMs. It's not the blowout comparison that swiz123 and later capaldi were attempting to make on the basis of his trophy count, many of which were won by with very little direct impact from Kroos. Case in Point, Capaldi came and said who can we say Kroos should do it without Ronaldo, when he won UCL with Bayer...only for me to point out that Kroos didnt play after round of 16 for Bayern in the UCL that he 'won'

This not to say Kroos is a carry along in the ibime sense of the phrase, and that has not been my POV. The biggest thing Kroos fans can use to defend their man is his trophy wins, and I have proven that many of those trophies were won inspite of him. So if you want to make an argument that Kroos blows Rice out of the water, use his individual performance and let's see, but all that UCL/WC winner nonsense wont fly here.

Same Kroos that has been legless since Germany, that Bayern fans couldnt wait to get rid off, is not the one that would compared to Rice as a DM.

donstan18:

Muller is a world class player and not an OK player. He scored PSG, he had 35+ G/A last season. He's 30 if not more, how can you say he's not that good again?

When last did he bang 35+ G/A a season? Bruv we are talking about Muller of Bayern here, hope you know?

Dude. I know this guy. He was lethal. Not anymore.

There’s a reason he hasn’t found the net in 13 consecutive games for his country. And it’s not Low.