Kobojunkie:
what do you understand by what is written in verse 25?

how does verse 25 answer d question:

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

lexy2014:
how does verse 25 answer d question:

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

Kobojunkie:

Can't u explain it? What's d correlation between verse 25 and this question?

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

lexy2014:

Can't u explain it? What's d correlation between verse 25 and this question?

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

25 Believe me, an important time is coming. That time is already here. People who are dead will hear the voice of the Son of God. And those who listen will live.

Righteousness2:
Ladies and Gentlemen with all due respect , what I Heard here with my Ears is PURE GRAMMAR and Could Cost u your Soul. .

Sin is what will Hinder us From Heaven.
Unbelief in Jesus Christ on its own is a Sin. It will hinder us. Revelation 21:8

Fornication, Adultery, any form of Immorality are Sins. They will hinder us.

Malice, Jealousy, idle words are sins. They will hinder us from Heaven.

Cultism, idol worship, murder, abortion, lgbt are sins. They will hinder us.

Every form of Unrighteousness is Sin. They will hinder us.

What will give us access to Heaven is Confessing our sins to GOD, Repenting from dem, Surrender and Believe in JESUS Christ.

Even after Salvation, we need to repent from every sin we fall into and ask GOD for mercy.

These are the Last days! Be careful of what and who you listen to. Heaven and Hell are Real. Eternity is a Personal race.

Isaiah 59:1-2, Isaiah 35:8-10, 1 John 3:8-9, 1Peter1:15-16, Revelation 21:8, Rev 21:27, Romans 1:21-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Romans 6:1

I used to listen to his preaching some years back, i realised his teaching are controversial, I quickly stopped listening to him. False but subtle teachings are all over the place. God will help us.

Kobojunkie:


25 Believe me, an important time is coming. That time is already here. People who are dead will hear the voice of the Son of God. And those who listen will live.

Where in that scripture does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

Emu4life:

Man is created WEAK according to the Creator. However, we as Muslims don't believe that someone has to die for our sins for us to be saved.
The creator knows we are weak and he always stress in the scriptures that we should do and enjoin good to the best of our ability and forbid evil to the best of abilities. Our disabilities and ills he has promised to forgive us as he is the best of forgivers, the most merciful( Infact, this is the most loved name by the supreme)

God forgives all persons. But don't you think the problem of sin is independent on God? Don't you think sin is not that you are offending God but that you are entangling yourself with unholiness.

A Holy God cannot have anything to do with sin. He can't even behold it. Hence, the sinner who is uncleansed cannot have a link with a Holy God. God Himself is holiness. Holiness can't have anything to do unholiness.

This is why the narrative of God being able to forgive a sinner is faulty. God is not a man that forgives like man. Man forgives you but can't cleanse you from sin. Man is a sinner and can relate with your sins. God is not man. He forgives by cleansing man from His sins totally.

AL-QUR'AN
Al-Hijr(The Rock) 15vs49. Tell My servants that I am indeed the Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;
Al-Nahl(The Bee) 16vs18. If ye would count up the favours of Allah, never would ye be able to number them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

There are hundreds of similar verses in the Quran(Allahu Akbar)

Come to think of it, some Christians believe Jesus is God. So if Jesus is God and he died for the sins of the world, did he die as a man or as God?? (This is rhetorical in this case though)

Jesus is God in human flesh. He is the perfect expression of the mercifulness of God. The most effective way for God to communicate with His creatures was to become like them. That's what Jesus is.

Man (regular prophets) will communicate God's will, to the best if their abilities, with some errors. The cultures and human limitations of mere human Prophets would impede their effective communication of the gospel.

Jesus is God's clearest message to human kind in that He is God Himself in human flesh. His dying on the cross signifies His act of mercy and TRUE forgiveness by atoning for the sins of mankind. His death showed us that He is God who blots out our sins totally (doesn't cope with it, being a Holy God). He became man to deliver us totally from sin. His resurrection authenticates the fact that He is God in Human flesh.

To the Muslims, Jesus is just another Prophet/messenger of Allah (as he confirmed himself in the scriptures ) and he has come with same message of Worshipping The Creator alone without associating partners to him, doing good and forbidding evil. Period
As Muslims what we always wish for is The Creator's Mercy, blessings and favor as these are what will save us on the day of recompense. Thank you.

Jesus is not just another prophet or messenger. He is the perfect expression and communication of the person of God to mankind. His holiness, compassion, and ultimate sacrifice are the expression of God's message to mankind.

To accept the sacrifices of Jesus Christ is to be saved from sin. To reject it in your heart is to opt for your own way (and not God's way). But how effective would that be?

lexy2014:

Can't u explain it? What's d correlation between verse 25 and this question?

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

In KJV

24 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth My Word and believeth in Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

25 “Verily, verily I say unto you, the hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in Himself, so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself,

27 and hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice

29 and shall come forth — they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Kobojunkie:
In KJV

24 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth My Word and believeth in Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

25 “Verily, verily I say unto you, the hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in Himself, so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself,

27 and hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice

29 and shall come forth — they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Where in d scriptures that u quoted does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

lexy2014:

Where in that scripture does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

Those who hear his voice are of his flock!

If you still dont understand then I suggest you read Matthew 25 beginning with the parable of the 10 virgins into the end or that chapter please. - Matthew 25 vs 1 - 46

lexy2014:

Where in d scriptures that u quoted does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

No book not even scripture has to be tailored to your vocabulary or choice of terms for to provide meaning that fits.

Kobojunkie:
No book not even scripture has to be tailored to your vocabulary or choice of terms for to provide meaning that fits.

It's not my vocabulary. It's ur vocabulary and am only quoting u. U said it's in context& I should see John 5:19-30. I have read it and asked d same question, but now u say it "the meaning doesn't fit".

Where in d scriptures that u quoted does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

The comments on this thread shows, most people didn't watch the video at all or completely. Nawa oo, Nigerians. Always quick to quote people out of context or condemn what they don't understand

Kobojunkie:
Those who hear his voice are of his flock!

If you still dont understand then I suggest you read Matthew 25 beginning with the parable of the 10 virgins into the end or that chapter please. - Matthew 25 vs 1 - 46

It's not a question of understanding. It seems u don't no what u are saying. U made a claim& said a certain scripture supports that claim yet u haven't been able to tie that scripture to d claims u made.
Where in John 5:q9-30 that u quoted does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

Take note of "those that die evil"...

Righteousness2:
Ladies and Gentlemen with all due respect , what I Heard here with my Ears is PURE GRAMMAR and Could Cost u your Soul. .

Sin is what will Hinder us From Heaven.
Unbelief in Jesus Christ on its own is a Sin. It will hinder us. Revelation 21:8

Fornication, Adultery, any form of Immorality are Sins. They will hinder us.

Malice, Jealousy, idle words are sins. They will hinder us from Heaven.

Cultism, idol worship, murder, abortion, lgbt are sins. They will hinder us.

Every form of Unrighteousness is Sin. They will hinder us.

What will give us access to Heaven is Confessing our sins to GOD, Repenting from dem, Surrender and Believe in JESUS Christ.

Even after Salvation, we need to repent from every sin we fall into and ask GOD for mercy.

These are the Last days! Be careful of what and who you listen to. Heaven and Hell are Real. Eternity is a Personal race.

Isaiah 59:1-2, Isaiah 35:8-10, 1 John 3:8-9, 1Peter1:15-16, Revelation 21:8, Rev 21:27, Romans 1:21-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Romans 6:1

This man is a modern Antichrist in style.. his gospel sound sweet but very dangerous and deceptive ..bought his books initially and when I saw him correcting the bible ,I threw the thing away and ran for my life ..He should read Matt 7:21-23 or thereabout ..and also read what Jesus told his disciples before he left ,they must teach and preach all they learnt from him.. no other foundation can be laid outside what Jesus did.. the gospel of grace without the truth is a farce

lexy2014:

It's not my vocabulary. It's ur vocabulary and am only quoting u. U said it's in context& I should see John 5:19-30. I have read it and asked d same question, but now u say it "the meaning doesn't fit".

Where in d scriptures that u quoted does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

The answer is provided you in the context but since you don't see it.. I decided to provide a different place where you might find the same story today you but in clearer words for you to better comprehend. I would rather do that than attempt to spoon feed you my understanding please.

Check Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and then matthew 25 vs 1 - 13

Kobojunkie:
The answer is provided you in the context but since you don't see it.. I decided to provide a different place where you might find the same story today you but in clearer words for you to better comprehend. I would rather do that than attempt to spoon feed you my understanding please.

Check Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 and then matthew 25 vs 1 - 13

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock? What context do u need to provide an answer to d simple question?

How does d scriptures u have now added show that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

Kobojunkie:
All those who will be in hell also believe and are saved - no longer condemned to Death.

And that list includes the demons and devils ..Matthew 25 vs 40- 46.

The way this thing is going even if Satan & his demons believes in Jesus & repent of their sins they will be forgiven & accepted into heaven.

The problem is that many of us just grab just one part of a message and present it wrongly to ridicule the preacher. Op you have bluntly refused to add the concluding part of that statement. Christ died because of sin, so if sin takes a man to hell, then the death of Christ would have been in vain. What takes a man to hell is REJECTING THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS TO END SIN NOT SIN ITSELF.

lexy2014:

Where in John 5:19-30 does it say that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock? What context do u need to provide an answer to d simple question?

How does d scriptures u have now added show that "those who die evil" are among Jesus Christ's flock?

in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

1. is there a separate Shepherd indicated for the sheep and then for the goats or are they both commanded by the same shepherd?

2. Is judgment and sentencing of both sheep and goats not carried out by the same Lord/Shepherd?

matify83:
This might be misconstrued for Dr. Damina condoning the various acts of sin as we know them but that wasn't his submission.

His audience are eaters of the bony parts of the word already and not babes being nurtured on do's and dont's of Christiandom.

Most religions abhor sin in its very nature but are still classed "hell bound" by Christians just because they don't accept the lordship of Christ as the only begotten son of God.

Only mature Christians would decipher that message.

It's very easy to flee from fleshly lust ( as do the scribes and Pharisees), but crucifying Jesus a second time would need serious oversight.

He taught good there.

Jesus Christ never gave his bones for us to crack, he gave us his flesh and his blood. All these people claiming they are now cracking the bone of The Word, I wonder who gave it to them. Strong meat is still meat my dear. None of his bones was broken and you cannot break it, you can only conform to it.

I stand with you pastor, all those self righteousness christians won't like this..no one knows when death will come, so does it mean if one have misunderstanding with someone today and didn't resolve it and it happens that the died that night is straight to hell?
The truth is that as long as u are living in Satan's world u must commit sin, fall into sin and fall out of sin... But is left for u to confess it, Christ has paid for our past, present and future sin.
Most pastors won't preach this coz they thought it's a way of promoting the devil but that's the gospel truth. Nobody goes to hell because of sin but not believing in what Christ did us

Nanavati:
The problem is that many of us just grab just one part of a message and present it wrongly to ridicule the preacher. Op you have bluntly refused to add the concluding part of that statement. Christ died because of sin, so if sin takes a man to hell, then the death of Christ would have been in vain. What takes a man to hell is REJECTING THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS TO END SIN NOT SIN ITSELF.

But that is all untrue still.

billyG:

The way this thing is going even if Satan & his demons believes in Jesus & repent of their sins they will be forgiven & accepted into heaven.

Merelyn:
I stand with you pastor, all those self righteousness christians won't like this..no one knows when death will come, so does it mean if one have misunderstanding with someone today and didn't resolve it and it happens that the died that night is straight to hell?
The truth is that as long as u are living in Satan's world u must commit sin, fall into sin and fall out of sin... But is left for u to confess it, Christ has paid for our past, present and future sin.
Most pastors won't preach this coz they thought it's a way of promoting the devil but that's the gospel truth. Nobody goes to hell because of sin but not believing in what Christ did us

If you are not Holy - If you are still living in bondage to sin, you are not of Him. That is what Jesus Christ said in John 8 vs 31 - 44

Those who belong to Him are instead those who are no longer slaves to sin and are instead become Sons of God... John 8 vs 31.

Using satan as excuse to continue in disobedience(Sin) of Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments will not help or aid anyone in getting past God's decree. The standard is Jesus Christ, either you rise to meet it or you dont.

Kobojunkie:
in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

1. is there a separate Shepherd indicated for the sheep and then for the goats or are they both commanded by the same shepherd?

2. Is judgment and sentencing of both sheep and goats not carried out by the same Lord/Shepherd?

I don't no. U tell me. because if it's about sheep/goat and shepherd, that means that not everyone on earth falls into d category of goat and sheep. Or are there those who aren't goat and sheep? Those who aren't goat and sheep, what are they?

Kobojunkie:

Those who belong to Him are instead those who are no longer slaves to sin and are instead become Sons of God... John 8 vs 31.

How do u become a son of God?

lexy2014:

I don't no. U tell me. because if it's about sheep/goat and shepherd, that means that everyone on earth falls into d category of goat and sheep. Or are there those who aren't goat and sheep?

1. Recall that only those who believe in Jesus Christ have Eternal life and so are saved from Death.

2. Those who do not believe in Jesus Christ do not have eternal life of any kind. When when they die, they perish in their graves .I.e. they cease to exist.

Now, in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, the sheep and the goats here have two things in common. They have the same Shepherd (Jesus Christ) - Matthew 25 vs 32 - and they also each have Eternal life, the only difference is where the Eternal life is spent

A. Sheep spend Eternal life in Heaven Matthew 25 via 34.
B. Goats are sent away to Eternal life in damnation - Matthew 25 vs 41

Righteousness2:
Ladies and Gentlemen with all due respect , what I Heard here with my Ears is PURE GRAMMAR and Could Cost u your Soul. .

Sin is what will Hinder us From Heaven.
Unbelief in Jesus Christ on its own is a Sin. It will hinder us. Revelation 21:8

Fornication, Adultery, any form of Immorality are Sins. They will hinder us.

Malice, Jealousy, idle words are sins. They will hinder us from Heaven.

Cultism, idol worship, murder, abortion, lgbt are sins. They will hinder us.

Every form of Unrighteousness is Sin. They will hinder us.

What will give us access to Heaven is Confessing our sins to GOD, Repenting from dem, Surrender and Believe in JESUS Christ.

Even after Salvation, we need to repent from every sin we fall into and ask GOD for mercy.

These are the Last days! Be careful of what and who you listen to. Heaven and Hell are Real. Eternity is a Personal race.

Isaiah 59:1-2, Isaiah 35:8-10, 1 John 3:8-9, 1Peter1:15-16, Revelation 21:8, Rev 21:27, Romans 1:21-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Romans 6:1

Sharap dia! There is no heaven or hell. If there is either one of the two, show me proof. Gullible Africans who still remain brainwashed like their ancestors.

HBB1:


You realize what that means right?

Thus is supposed to just be a case of Grammar.

Wow!

So anybody that didn't confess sin of the flesh when he 'accepted Jesus is going to hell fire?

Did the criminal on the cross with Jesus, confess sin of the flesh too?

Please, Study your Bible and stop seeing scriptures as mere grammar

There is no ACCEPTION without REJECTION.
Yes, The criminal on the cross ADMITTED and CONFESSED his sin.

Lk23:40-41
40 But the other responded, and rebuking him, said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our crimes; but this man has done nothing wrong.”

lexy2014:

How do u become a son of God?

According to Jesus Christ in John 8 vs 31 - 44, it is through continued submission to and obedience of the teachings and comandments of Jesus Christ - the Truth- that one can become a Son of God.

And those who are Sons of God are set free from bondage to sin by Knowing the Truth of God - John 8 vs 31 - 39 - and are become holy vessels for God to come and live inside of - John 14 vs 23 - 26

Abel Damina? Who takes him serious?

His time is up and his deceitfulness is beginning to come to light