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Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by blackmanblack(m): 8:05am On Jul 04, 2021
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Ynix(m): 8:33am On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

Just like think of it in context of angels and demons, good and bad people. It does not need over analysis
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by FirstSon01: 8:38am On Jul 04, 2021
Yes na, if y'all say he created everything then he created evil as well.

He created the cancer ravaging people all over the world.

He created Covid that claimed many lives and cost others their jobs.

He created the polio that causes little kids to be born deformed.

He created world poverty that caused pain all over the world.

Lastly, he created Buhari that took Nigeria 16 years backward.

Thank you.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Myer(m): 8:56am On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

New testament believers hate to see this portion of the bible.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Ihedinobi3: 10:38am On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

Hi there.

I've written about this verse a few times on this forum. Granted that the KJV is not wrong here, it uses "evil" in a way that we rarely use it in the 21st century.

It bears repeating that the KJV translation is not wrong here. It is only archaic in usage. We don't often use the word "evil" in the way that 17th century English speakers used it. That was the time when the KJV was produced.

The following are other translations:

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’
Isaiah 45:7 (NKJV)

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (NIV)

7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
Isaiah 45:7 (NASB)

7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (ESV)

The ASV and other translations produced around the same era as the KJV say "evil" because the word was not necessarily limited to moral usage. Something was evil if it was morally bad or if it was just unpleasant. An unpleasant tasting fruit, for example, would be called evil-tasting by English speakers of that time.

Consider the Merriam Webster dictionary's definitions of the word at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil, for example:

2 a archaic : INFERIOR
b: causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE
an evil odor
c: DISAGREEABLE
woke late and in an evil temper


Cheers.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Dtruthspeaker: 11:44am On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

Simple: it means "I Created everything including evil".

And evil has its proper Duty and Place in God's Hands and not in the hands of men exactly as the Saw has an office with the Carpenter but it is an evil to Mary, the tailor.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by gideonjeta(m): 3:53pm On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

Op, consider the context of Bible verses and not just words. The chapter you are talking about refers to God's message of delivering Israel from Babylon through Cyrus. The Bible says about Jehovah God: “Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:3-5) Jehovah, however, can be said to create evil,(according to the KJV of that verse),because the term “evil” can be used to designate not only “moral badness or offense; wrongdoing; wickedness”, but also “anything impairing happiness or welfare or depriving of good; injury; disaster”. (Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary). In view of the foregoing scripture showing that Jehovah is just and righteous, it is obvious that the evil that he creates (in the context of that verse) must be that of calamity and disaster to Israel enemies.

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Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Janosky: 4:32pm On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.

You have to understand the context by which Yahweh's statement @ Isaiah 45:7 is to be understood.

Study Isaiah 45:10-11, for clarification of verse 7.
Fall of Babylon Predicted
…10You were secure in your wickedness; you said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge led you astray; you told yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’ 11But disaster will come upon you; you will not know how to charm it away. A calamity will befall you that you will be unable to ward off. Devastation will happen to you suddenly and unexpectedly.


"Evil" in verse 7 is a reference to the calamity/evil (punishment) that will befall Babylon according to the prophecy of Yahweh through His Servant, Isaiah.
In other words, God created the evil/calamity (let's call it punishment) that will come upon Babylon.

Genesis 1:31, everything God created was good, NOT evil.
Sin in the garden of Eden brought evil to the fore.
Did a knife manufacturer create a weapon for murder?
Not at all.
It's a tool meant for process of cooking.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Kobojunkie: 4:35pm On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.
God is creator, not just of Heaven and of Earth but of all things - good and evil - all was made by Him and nothing exists that was not made by Him. That is what He is telling you there. undecided
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Kobojunkie: 4:37pm On Jul 04, 2021
Myer:
New testament believers hate to see this portion of the bible.
New Testament believers? undecided
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Kobojunkie: 4:38pm On Jul 04, 2021
gideonjeta:


Op, consider the context of Bible verses and not just words. The chapter you are talking about refers to God's message of delivering Israel from Babylon through Cyrus. The Bible says about Jehovah God: “Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:3-5) Jehovah, however, can be said to create evil,(according to the KJV of that verse),because the term “evil” can be used to designate not only “moral badness or offense; wrongdoing; wickedness”, but also “anything impairing happiness or welfare or depriving of good; injury; disaster”. (Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary). In view of the foregoing scripture showing that Jehovah is just and righteous, it is obvious that the evil that he creates (in the context of that verse) must be that of calamity and disaster to Israel enemies.
huh? undecided
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by saxokay(m): 5:49pm On Jul 04, 2021
It simply means God created devil him self devil was empower by God before he was corrupted and become darkness
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Kobojunkie: 6:08pm On Jul 04, 2021
saxokay:
It simply means God created devil him self devil was empower by God before he was corrupted and become darkness
Before? Where did you learn of this? undecided
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Simeonjoe1: 6:23pm On Jul 04, 2021
Kobojunkie:
huh? undecided

Can you come up with a better ideal. He perfectly explain that.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by Kobojunkie: 6:24pm On Jul 04, 2021
Simeonjoe1:

Can you come up with a better ideal. He perfectly explain that.
I didn't understand his position at all. Maybe you can explain it to me. undecided
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by DappaD: 8:01pm On Jul 04, 2021
The true God is perfect, righteous and just in all ramifications. Deuteronomy 32:4
With that said, the underlying context gives a clue as to what the Scripture means. The preceding verses talk about the destruction and desolation of Babylon. Then the verse 7 in some Bible translations read: “I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.”
So God brought back the sins of Babylon upon them by using Kings Cyrus and Darius of Media and Persia to cause calamity for Babylon. Isaiah 44:27-28
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by perezeghi: 10:33pm On Jul 04, 2021
blackmanblack:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness :I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:6‭-‬7 KJV

Yes! God is the creator of heaven and earth, He is the Alpha and Omega, First and the Last. Glory to His name and his throne.

But my question lies on verse 7 of the chapter were it is said the He created evil. Bible scholars, kindly help me with more of your wisdom, knowledge and understanding in making the verse more explicit.

Thank you.


If you can accept and have no issue with the bolded, then you have actually not asked any question.
light is to peace as darkness is to evil.
Re: Need Clarity On Isaiah 45:7 by God2man2again(m): 11:54pm On Jul 04, 2021
Normally, as God used Satan against Job.

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