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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 10:15am On Jul 04, 2021 |
timbros: francisgodstime: Havertz10: 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 10:21am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:Even most optimistic Chelsea fan know that there's a possibility to lose,since Chelsea is playing man city not Norwich in the finals. So I don't know how you're being pragmatic here. Also, no matter how, no Chelsea fan would "not mind losing CL final" , the biggest trophy in europe, all in the name of pragmatism. And that's the main reason most people are using that against you. And going through that convo, the reason you said it, is because of Mount, cos you feel fans will over hype mount if Chelsea eventually wins it. All these stories you're saying to turn amala no just gel. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 10:27am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:This isn’t my point. My point is that you are always selective with your points, you don’t have an established reason why you hate Mount, you hate him today because of no open play assist, you’ll still hate him tomorrow when he drops one and tag it aided assist, you hate him today because he doesn’t score, you’ll still hate him tomorrow and call his goal tapin. Always looking for a reason to hate Mount, to the extent of wishing Chelsea to lose Ucl against ManCity because Mount won Chelsea’s best player. You prefer Mount’s failure than Chelsea’s success. All the things you’ve slandered Mount for, you’ve hyped Fraudvertz with the same. Mount is far better than Fraudvertz, he’s more useful than him, if he’s not performing well attacking wise in a match, he’ll be atleast pertaking in some defensive duties and not be a liability to other players. If Fraudvertz isn’t performing well in that attack, he’s either strolling, not marking players or sluggishly getting dispossessed. No manager in Epl will choose Fraudvertz over Mount. Impossible!! This is Fraudvertz in his first match for Chelsea..... [img]https:///media/7-04-2021/y667xb.gif[/img] 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 10:37am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Jodera:I said that yesterday, it was the 2nd paragraph I said that I knew that it would be used to validate mount as a talent Chelsea could lose the game, I simply found solice with either outcome that was beneficial to me Have you been to Twitter recently? Any little argument mount is better than any player because he won the champions league 3 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 10:41am On Jul 04, 2021 |
timbros:Not just lose, but Lose the biggest European finals in years? What kinda fans does that? Him say na "people like una".. So him wan rub the loss for una face if Chelsea eventually lost? 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 10:42am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:So you prefer Chelsea to lose UCl finals than Mount to be hyped? 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 10:53am On Jul 04, 2021 |
donstan18:my opinions about mount aren't just mine Go to any Twitter page promoting mount and read the comments, half of chelsea supporters are all saying the same thing, he is an attacker, his attacking stats should be the priority not defensive stats 2 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 10:56am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:That's always the big mistake you're making. You're carrying Twitter beef into nairaland. For what I know, most people here won't say mount have the talent you feel people at twitter claims he have. Here is independent of twitter so I don't know why you feel if people at twitter overhypes Mount, it now means people at nairaland will too. Lemme tell you a fact... Nobody would have made a noise about Mount's assist ystdy if not for this Mount-havertz debate. Tbh, the earlier you guys sheath your sword on this Mount-havertz debate, the better I swear, cos at least it'll make everyone acknowledge the good play of both players without any perceived agenda involved. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 10:57am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:There are some games an attacker will play and not perform. It’s normal for all attackers. When Mount isn’t performing in that attack, he’ll never be useless to the team. That’s where his defensive duties comes into play. When Harvertz isn’t performing well in that attack, he becomes useless, turns to a burden and liability to other players because he’s very lazy and slow. You get the point now? 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 10:58am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Anytime I log on Nairaland and see this thread with and extra 3 pages, I know that Donstan and Harvetz must be involved. Make Una rest na 18 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 10:59am On Jul 04, 2021 |
donstan18:when does mount perform Mention a game over the last 2 years that mount presence in the team was the deciding factor 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 10:59am On Jul 04, 2021 |
izzou:i'm tired, ask them to stop being ridiculous 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 11:02am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10:Chelsea vs Liverpool. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by swiz123(m): 11:07am On Jul 04, 2021 |
I wouldn't argue with anyone who says Havertz is lazy and slow. That's an IQ degrading arguement. Someone with an average IQ should be able to differentiate sluggishness from laziness and lack of pace. Both stats and eye test, nothing suggests Havertz is lazy and slow. That someone is more hard-working than us doesn't make us lazy; for it is a known fact that hardwork doesn't necessarily equate success 9 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by swiz123(m): 11:16am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Henderson completed the most passes for England against Ukraine (43).... He came on in the 56th minutes. Pass completion is a coefficient of how well a player shows up to receive the ball -- a necessary quality of a DM. England has one valued at 100M yet couldn't control mildfield properly against a very weak opposition. 5 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:36am On Jul 04, 2021 |
swiz123: Hojberg the Mushin tout says Hi 8 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Adiwana: 11:41am On Jul 04, 2021 |
swiz123: While Rice is highly overrated, your assessment based on yesterday's game involvement of both players is not really accurate. The game had already been won by the time Henderson came on and the game was there for England to control. Another thing was that Ukraine pinned back England after conceding the first goal. Ukraine pretty much were the better team in the first half. Again, they switched to a 4-3-3 with Henderson as the lone DM as opposed to the double pivot role of Philips and Rice. This naturally made Henderson control most possession and dictated the tempo of the game. So you see, it's not really about the stats. Need to take into account the context of the game 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donstan18: 11:44am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Ibime: This is the problem with them. They don’t have an already established reason and points to slander players. The same thing he failed to credit Hojberg for, is the same thing he’s using to credit Henderson just to discredit Rice. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by User09: 11:47am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Rice positional play isnt that good. I actually took my time to watch the guy diligently all through this tournament. Although he's got very good interception qualities, He's also quite sloppy in possession and has got poor recoveries; with that Phillips guy in the middle, This is even more evident. The most disappointing part for me is for people who criticise Jorginho citing his speed. Declan Rice Speed is really average. There is no way in hell that guy recovers with pace from a speedy attacker. He gives a lot of long balls too, but nothing special. He's also quite physically imposing. Generally speaking, this guy isnt an upgrade on any of our current midfielders. For 35milli, I would get him as he offers us a lot of flexibility, but he's not the wondershow some have pegged him to be if you look beyond the English hype. Based on what I have seen so far, Monaco's Tchouameni is the better player for me. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:51am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Havertz10: I said that yesterday, I said this today, I am patiently waiting for the day you'll run out of craps to say. 18 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 11:52am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Jodera: You don see am na. Person wey I dey share support with. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:57am On Jul 04, 2021 |
User09: Rice with 91% pass completion and that highest average passes per game in the whole England front 6 is sloppy in possession? Only Mason Mount makes more tackles per game than Rice, and only Mings makes more interceptions, so how is his recovery poor? Mehn the stats just showed that your judgement is actually very questionable. Man said sloppy in possession for a 91% pass accuracy player. Na wa o 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:58am On Jul 04, 2021 |
Mendes has done it again. I think this guy is washing money for Barcelona, just like he arranged Wolves to pay £35m for Semedo Trincao is a good player, another tricky winger like Podence and Neto, but his value has dropped after the last season and there is no way Barca will be able to recoup the £35m they spent on him in this current market except Mendes come to the rescue. On the other hand, this probably frees up Traore
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by User09: 12:02pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
nihilistjnr: We are saying two different things. I'm more about the unsystematic. Ease off on the need to criticize without fully understanding. I'm getting really tired of this whole contentious nonsense. Can I at least state my views? 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:06pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
User09: What does dictionary have to do with football? Rice has 91% pass completion, and averages 46 passes a game. He is disposessed 0.4 times a match, which essentially means that he is disposessed once in 3 games. Don't bring dictionary here, explain in football terms how such a player is sloppy in possession. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:13pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
User09: Nobody said you should not state your views. A madman may look at the sun and call it the moon. That's the way his brain interprets what his eyes are seeing and of course he's free to state his views...but we too should be free to say that the man is insane All I said was that the facts and figures do not support your views, and so your judgement, like the man who says he's seeing the moon at noon, is very questionable. There's really no contention here as I'm not trying to prove to you that you are wrong. I'm just saying I recognise that your ability to interpret facts is impaired....dazall. 23 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 12:18pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by User09: 12:20pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
nihilistjnr: Again we are saying different things. Read my post again. What you speak of has no correlation with my post. My first paragraph clearly sets the context. I'm not gonna go on an unnecessary wrangle with you |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 12:26pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Patrick Vieira new Crystal Palace coach I didn't see this coming... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:26pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
User09: The reason you cannot go on an 'unnecessary wrangle' with me is because you realise there is nowhere to go. A player can only lose possession in two ways, if he misplaces a pass or if he is disposessed. Thoughout this tournament, Rice has averaged 91% pass completion and is disposessed only once every 3 games. In the England game you said you watched diligently yesterday, Rice had 90% pass accuracy and was not dispossessed at all. The facts are the facts. Such a person cannot be described by any of sound mind as being sloppy in possession, at least in the Euros or specifically in yesterday's game. Like I said I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Like you, I'm just stating my views that your judgement is questionable. Dazall 19 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 12:31pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Ibime how well do you follow Norwich? Do they have what it takes to support Gilmour's development? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:42pm On Jul 04, 2021 |
Griffon: They had Oliver Skipp on loan from Spurs last season (who is a very good player BTW - he's like the English De Jong and should be making waves in Prem soon if all goes well). He has returned to Spurs now so the path should be clear for Gilmour to stake a claim. They play attacking football as you know. That could be a good thing with Gilmour at the heart of it. . . or could be a bad thing, potentially exposing Gilmour too much. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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