MaxInDHouse:
You know it took me few hours to discover it's you actually that was using the falseprophet account. But seriously you should have come out to tell us why you're always criticizing the GB.
To be frank with you, it's not easy taking orders from humans like you but JEHOVAH always use imperfect humans as representatives to direct his people.
So we understand your plea just take heart you must obey them or go and worship elsewhere, the first thing that will make a true JW separate from you is when you turn your back on those taking the lead in our midst!

MaxInDHouse:
A first century Jewish carpenter said something back then:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" John 14:6

No wonder the peaceful and peaceloving Jews of his time conspired against this young extremist and got rid of him!

But wahala dey o!

Do you know this young extremist foretold that his followers will be treated the same way he was treated? {Matthew 10:22-25; John 15:19} let me guess, it's like his followers will never say something like what he said but somehow they will be hated because they're just eating their bread and butter!

Splinz:


I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.

I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.

But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.

And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?

Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

Janosky:


JWs are not perfect, but it is wrong of you to make suggestive attribution of "hooligans" at us because we defend the points we make from your Bible.

Granted, at times emotions may run high, please forgive us, such is never a yardstick to judge us, other fellow respondents have been found wanting in their choice of words too.
We don't intend to cause pain to anyone with our choice of words.

However, JWs will say what the holy scriptures says, that will not always be palatable at all times.

Shalom.

falseprophet:


I know it will come down to "we are being hated like Jesus" and "they are persecuting JWs", Lols

There is no watchtower publication out there one can read without them bashing and condemning other christians.

But Other christian publications like Sunday school manuals, etc can pass their message across without mentioning JWs or watchtower.

So among these two who is the aggressor or the persecutor?

JWs spread hate among themselves against other denominations and at the same time claim they're hated and persecuted.

achorladey:


And worshippers of one DOGHEADS who are of the same FAITH(not interfaith) dont fight under one roof. Loooool! Despite following their one DOGHEADS instruction to marry from same faith.

Pele ti e.

Even jumping from one congregation to another congregation because of such fight within the same organization. E get as e be.

falseprophet:


Imperfection is different from outright hypocrisy.

Your fellow member obviously created this thread to try in his own capacity to spread the words of your kingdom and in doing so attracted some of us who knows the truth about JWs.

Instead of comporting himself and pretend like you guys always pretend when knocking on doors, he decided to insult and threaten.

Both on this thread and in offline world JWs are always the aggressors pretending to be victims of hate and persecution.

Janosky:

ALL congregation study the same Bible topic every week worldwide.
"Is Jumping from one congregation to another congregation" your problem?

Did the 3 dogheads worshipping couple agree that it is the same mode of worship to their Triune deity irrespective of the Church they attend?

Achorladey, abeg park well joor.

falseprophet:


You make it sound as if you believe in the bible, but in reality you and JWs don't! I have provided irrefutable proof that your dedication and governing body cannot be found in the same bible you said i should go and study.

You are so wrong on the personality of Jesus or how i view Him, everything about the king of kings is written in the bible and if you study from the bible you are supposed to know that already, but am not surprised you still think Jesus is an image hung on the wall or the one painted in your "book of bible stories".

I am not antagozing you as you claim, the facts in my posts are the things turturing your conscience and you know it.

Falseprophet wey no know say dedication & worship of Jehovah goes hand in hand, even though the Scriptural examples are luminous.

MightySparrow:
I am laughing in JW's paradise's language

Splinz:

I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.
I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.
But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.
And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?
Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

falseprophet:


What JWs apply to other religions they must first of all apply to themselves, namely, that "we are not acceptable to God if our sincerity is not based on accurate information." (The Watchtower 2002, February 15, p 32)

The following 6 & 7 points summarize all I have been saying about "dedication" from the onset:


6. Baptism is not about any dedication vow. It is interesting how The Watchtower agrees with this point:

“It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.” (w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

7. Also of note, the Watchtower acknowledges that "searching through the Christian Greek Scriptures we do not find either the word dedication or the word consecration used to designate this step of giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ." Obviously, this step of "giving oneself exclusively to God through Jesus Christ" is not a requirement for everlasting life. It has nothing to do with Baptism.

I come in peace!

Janosky:


**Point 6
(w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

Questions From Readers

●
This would depend on the nature of the vow and the person’s circumstances at the time of making it. However, it is well first to consider what a “vow” is in the Bible sense.

(w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

In the Bible, vows were solemn promises made to God, not to any human or body of humans. They were also distinctive in that, in all cases described, the vows were always conditional. [b]That is, the person making the vow, in effect, said to God: ‘If you will do thus and so (perhaps providing salvation from some grave danger or granting success or victory in some effort), I will do thus and so.’ If God acted on the person’s behalf, the one making the vow came under obligation to carry out what he had promised. Often payment of the vow involved making a sacrificial offering of an animal, or the devoting of some property to God’s service. (Lev. 7:16; 22:21) In other cases the conditional aspect entered in because the individual vowed to refrain from doing something until such time as he had been able to attain a certain goal​—with the help of God.​—Compare Genesis 28:20-22; Numbers 21:2, 3; 30:2-4; Judges 11:30-39; 1 Samuel 1:11; Psalm 132:1-5.

It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.
[/b]

Because vows were conditional.
That is, God I will do this for you,if you help me or save me from so so & so.

1 Peter 3:21 baptism is obligatory for salvation.
Dedication and baptism goes hand in hand.
Hebrews 10:9, Matthew 3:16-17Jesus is dedicated to "doing God's will" & was baptized.
** Point 7..

Bros, I don't know the Watchtower edition you got that from..

falseprophet:


You have not made any point, we both quoted from the same text, so?

Janosky:

Dedication' is commitment,zeal, single-minded devotion to a cause, or purpose. eg , Commitment to zealously do God's will.
Biblical example Jesus, John 4:34.
Mark 12:29-30, Mark 8:34, Jesus says do it !
Dedication and baptism are obligatory for salvation,1 Peter 3:21.

A vow is a request for divine help or favor, hinged on certain specific conditions, biblical example Hannah.

falseprophet:


Is your salvation dependent on keeping up to your dedication or by Jesus's ransom sacrifice and grace?

MaxInDHouse:

OkCornel really knows how to read their minds, just look at what he said and it's exactly what they're coming here to do.

The name of the group in focus has been mentioned:
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Would you like to study the Bible with them?

No arguments, the purpose of mentioning the name of a group is to help you grasp how the group is using Bible to set matters straight in their midst {2Timothy 3:16} but if you have a better doctrine then you're also welcome to introduce such doctrine and the group using it so that everyone can learn from the practical application employed by the group.
That's the purpose of this thread, not coming here to say "JWs are my choice but their doctrine is evil"

falseprophet:


Is your salvation dependent on keeping up to your dedication or by Jesus's ransom sacrifice and grace?

OkCornel:


Both. The latter (Jesus’ sacrifice and grace) is the starting point, dedication is required to remain in the walk.

It’s like a relationship, you don’t stop putting in efforts to make it work the moment your partner agrees to marry you (or agree to be in a relationship with you)

falseprophet:


yes Jesus can say "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father without being an extremist because the bible infact say so.

But where in the bible does it say your governing body is the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father except through them?

Janosky:

Hebrews 13:7,17, Bros, does leadership exist in a vacuum?

OkCornel:


Both. The latter (Jesus’ sacrifice and grace) is the starting point, dedication is required to remain in the walk.

It’s like a relationship, you don’t stop putting in efforts to make it work the moment your partner agrees to marry you (or agree to be in a relationship with you)

falseprophet:


Imperfection is different from outright hypocrisy.

Your fellow member obviously created this thread to try in his own capacity to spread the words of your kingdom and in doing so attracted some of us who knows the truth about JWs.

Instead of comporting himself and pretend like you guys always pretend when knocking on doors, he decided to insult and threaten.

Both on this thread and in offline world JWs are always the aggressors pretending to be victims of hate and persecution.

Janosky:

Hebrews 13:7,17, Bros, does leadership exist in a vacuum?

falseprophet:


It can't be both!

Here's why:

Romans 9:16 - So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Do you really think you can attain salvation by works of righteousness (living up to your dedication)?

Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

2 Corinthians 5:21 - He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Christians are saved by ransom sacrifice of Christ through grace and not by living up to any dedication vow.

1 John 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Like I said earlier, JWs claim they believe in Jesus's ransom sacrifice but in reality they think they are saved because they love God and not because God love them, they think they are saved because they are righteous and not because of grace.

Janosky:




In the course of interaction, emotions runs high, it is normal and expected, but that doesn't absolve you from making spurious claims.


Bros, live and let live.

Janosky:


Bros, you MUST LOVE GOD & disown yourself, na Jesus Christ talk.
Else, Jesus ransom sacrifice alone won't save you.
Bitter pill of Bible truth.

falseprophet:


So insults and threats are normal for someone who claims to be living up to his dedication to do God's will right?

I don't see how your emotions running wild became part of God's will

achorladey:

Thank you for acknowledging that even couples of same one faith(not interfaith) fight and have issues even jump from congregation to congregation as a result of that.

OkCornel:


As expected. Asides the attacks on JW which is boring and stale, what doctrine or biblical matter is up for discussion?


The trolls are making a mess of the thread.

Janosky:

JWs can NEVER fight over gods of men and Pastorpreneurs.
Bros, Roger that.

Janosky:

JWs can NEVER fight over gods of men and Pastorpreneurs.
Bros, Roger that.