Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

Godly mature Christians.. righteousness2 Nutella jesusjnr come and answer..

I thought that, to Christians, the purpose of marriage is procreation.
Why should a "born-again sister" (whatever that means) want a child without marriage and why should she want IVF?
Is that an acceptance that prayer does not work?

There is no sin in that. But must be very sure of where the sperm is coming from.

Zodiac61:
I thought that, to Christians, the purpose of marriage is procreation.
Why should a "born-again sister" (whatever that means) want a child without marriage and why should she want IVF?
Is that an acceptance that prayer does not work?

It has nothing to do with acceptance. The sister does not desire marriage anylonger due to some personal reasons she has refused to divulge.

Bola146:
There is no sin in that. But must be very sure of where the sperm is coming from.

Mmm... Ok.

Thanks.

Bola146:
There is no sin in that. But must be very sure of where the sperm is coming from.

Jesus christ sperm is recommended.

Notting wey sinners no dey read for born again matter

CharisEleos:
Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

I think it is a sin because the man who owns the sperm is not her husband.


Malachi 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

Sperm banks, or selling semen or human eggs under any disguise is a sin, a man cannot ejaculate without an erotic thought, if this thought is not for his wife or his sperm is not for his wife it is a sin also a woman receiving the sperm of a man not her husband is also a sin.

Bola146:
There is no sin in that. But must be very sure of where the sperm is coming from.

Christianity - the art of making it up as we go along.
I wonder what jesus said about IVF. Nothing because he had no clue about it.

Zodiac61:
I thought that, to Christians, the purpose of marriage is procreation.
Why should a "born-again sister" (whatever that means) want a child without marriage and why should she want IVF?
Is that an acceptance that prayer does not work?

1. God never indicated marriage for procreation alone. In fact , the main reason he created eve was so Adam could have a companion, not so he could have a baby mama first so while procreation is ok, it is not God's main reason for marriage.

2. Those who chose ivf, do so for whatever reasons they choose. A woman who does not desire to have a man in her life has that choice available now to her, even as a born-again, should she want offspring without the burden of marriage.

Zodiac61:

Christianity - the art of making it up as we go along.
I wonder what jesus said about IVF. Nothing because he had no clue about it.

Actually, it is not in fact made up. The rules are as taught by Jesus Christ who gave His followers about 50-something commandments to live by. Those rules define sin so we are not unnecessarily shaxkled or burdened.

Jesus Christ did not say anything about IVF.

Bola146:
There is no sin in that. But must be very sure of where the sperm is coming from.

How can she be sure of where the SPERM is coming from when she's not interested in sex and not meant to know where it's coming from.

CharisEleos:
Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

No, it is not a sin to use IVF.

Why not consult the Word of God to learn the Truth of Jesus Christ for your own self by reading the Gospels so can stand confident rather than allow those "mature Christians" you say above your self seduce you away from God's Truth and Law.

Sin is an immoral act considered to be against divine law. Something is immoral if it doesn’t conform with the accepted standard of morality according to the law.

Is there a law against IVF and the process that leads to it that must be violated to make it a sin?

That said, IVF is an invention put in the heart of man by God to aid procreation in order to reduce the volume of prayers requests that comes from us human to Him for the wants of children.

In a woman’s quest to have a child outside sexual inter course, the question we should ask ourselves is; does that process involves immoral act? Some will say yes and others No. That depends on the lense through which you access the issue. If you consider masturbation a sin, you will say yes and if you consider it not, you did say No.

Based on my own conviction, sexual intercourse is a sin if it happens between two people outside wedlock. Masturbation (cannot be backed up Biblically to be a sin) part of the process of getting a donor for the IVF. This then leads us to the conclusion that if you are convinced that masturbation is a sin, then IVF is a sin because you a beneficiary of a sinful act. If you believe it’s not a sin, then IVF is not because you are beneficiary of a righteous act. Peace.

Wahala

Alhamdulillah!

Kobojunkie:
No, it is not a sin to use IVF.

Why not consult the Word of God to learn the Truth of Jesus Christ for your own self by reading the Gospels so can stand confident rather than allow those "mature Christians" you say above your self seduce you away from God's Truth and Law.

What about how the sperm was generated?
Remember you told me it's a sin to imagine lustfully with a woman and that seems to be the medium through which sperm is gotten without a woman physically being around.

So, don't you think using such a thing gotten sinfully is the same as indulging and involving herself in sin?

livingchrist:
I think it is a sin because the man who owns the sperm is not her husband.


Malachi 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

Sperm banks, or selling semen or human eggs under any disguise is a sin, a man cannot ejaculate without an erotic thought, if this thought is not for his wife or his sperm is not for his wife it is a sin also a woman receiving the sperm of a man not her husband is also a sin.

Hmmm... Huh..

CharisEleos:
Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

what is sinful about what does not affect you or another person negatively?

CharisEleos:
Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

Hi there.

15 But did He not make them one,
Having a remnant of the Spirit?
And why one?
He seeks godly offspring.
Therefore take heed to your spirit,
And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.
Malachi 2:15 (NKJV)

In other words, God invented marriage for both companionship (Genesis 2:18, 21-24) and the production of godly children.

This does not mean that single parents are somehow sinners, but it does mean that this is not God's "first best" for us. Some people get divorced or widowed or bereaved of a wife through no fault of their own. Some women become single parents too through no wish of their own (i.e. rape). These people have a really difficult circumstance thrust upon them, but God is gracious and will supply the help that they need if they lean on Him to raise their children to be godly. But does this mean that we should take on such a burden willingly?

Considering how much of a difficulty it actually is to raise godly children even in a two-parent home, I would think that no one would take on that trouble willingly if they are single. Children are a handful even under the best circumstances. It seems very daring to me to choose to bring them up under less-than-ideal circumstances if we have a choice in the matter.

To be clear, I'm not offering an opinion on the morality of the question. I think that the Bible is clear that God wants us to raise children in the context of a two-parent heterosexual marriage, but I don't see anything in the Bible addressing IVF, so I cannot say that a single woman who chooses to go that route is doing something wrong. I am only saying that given what the Bible does say and what is actually evident from observation, it is somewhat puzzling that anyone would want to go that route at all.

If, maybe, it is loneliness or just the pleasure of having your own child that drives this desire, it seems to me that the consideration of the responsibility of parenting should cool such concerns significantly. It is very little pleasure to have children that are poorly raised just to have a companion or to have a child of your own to claim. Can a single parent raise a well-adjusted, even a godly, child? I believe so, but it is hard enough for two godly parents, so I wouldn't burden a single parent, however godly, with that responsibility.

In addition to all this, it is wise to consider our witness as Christians. Since we are supposed to be communicating the goodness and holiness of God to the world through our choices, what would it say to the world when we go down this path? Even they acknowledge how hard it is to raise decent children under "ideal" circumstances; what would our actions say to them then? Also, anyone who sees a pregnant woman or a mother with her child with no husband in the vicinity is going to wonder and probably ask questions. What will the answer they get tell them about the Gospel that we believe?

These are considerations that I would place before a sister of mine in Christ who is thinking about this.

Cheers.

CharisEleos:
Can a born-again sister who wishes to have a baby of her own but does not desire marriage go for IVF?

Is it a sin?

Please only Mature Christians with sound spiritual life should advise.

IVF is an invention of the church of Satan and unfortunately a lot Christian churches have bought into it.
I'll like you to answer this question.
How is the sperm used in IVF gotten ?

Yeah, Eleos, I copied that here for you...

[size=14pt]ARE IVF BABIES KNIT TOGETHER BY GOD TOO?[/size]


Are IVF babies knit together by God too? It’s a question from Carly. “Pastor John, hello! How can a Christian explain to non-Christians that every child is a gift from God when some children are conceived medically through IVF and other fertility treatments? I’m at a loss and I really want to be able to answer this question. I believe all children are from God. But how do I answer this question? I recently saw a story about a lesbian couple who conceived a child through IVF. The child was fertilized by donor sperm and implanted in one woman and then harvested and implanted in the other woman to carry to term. It’s so unnatural, but I know that child is meant to be here.” Pastor John, how would you help Carly answer this dilemma?

Before I answer that question specifically and directly, let me just say a word about the larger issue of in vitro fertilization (IVF) and third-party assisted reproduction, surrogacy — “renting a womb,” as it’s sometimes called — egg donation, sperm donation, and so on.

Brave New World
There is an entire global industry of baby-making which is shot through with unanswered ethical and medical questions. I think any Christian couple should be very careful, thoughtful, and hesitant to walk very far outside the natural processes God has put in place for making babies.

Now, I know we’ve gotten ourselves into a real dilemma with thousands of frozen embryos, for example, waiting, as it were, for adoption. Now, I’m not opposed to that. There are people at our church that have done that: adopted an embryo, put it in Mom, and raised the baby. But I don’t think we should make decisions that contribute to that problem. We’ve got ourselves with these thousands of frozen little babies because of all kinds of technological things that we didn’t foresee would create all these issues.

Now, if all that sounds fuzzy to you, like, “What is he talking about?” — and it does to me still — I want to recommend a website and an institution called Center for Bioethics and Culture. It’s led by Jennifer Lahl. I’ve met Jennifer, and I think she is a faithful, wise, helpful guide in these matters. They have some very illuminating videos about these things. She’s done a lot of good work to bring clarity and wisdom to the issue of third-party assisted reproduction, making us aware of the significant health and psychological risks that often go untold, as if you can just do anything you want. Not to mention the ethical issues, not the least of which is the looming issue of eugenics — that is, making designer babies by making sure you have a sperm and an egg from people with just the right traits that you want.

But Carly’s question is “How can a Christian explain to a non-Christian that every child is a gift from God when some children are conceived medically through IVF and other fertility treatments?” The answer comes, I think, in two steps.

God Makes Humans
First, what do you say to a non-believer? The first step is you gather biblical texts that show that creating human babies is decisively God’s work, not man’s. No baby decides if he or she is human. No parent decides if their baby is human. No sperm donor, egg donor, or womb donor decides if the baby is human. No doctor, who’s putting all the pieces together, decides if this baby is human. Well, who does? God does.

After you show them these texts, which I’ll point to in a minute, step two is to show the biblical principle that, in the Bible, God often uses foolishness and evil — even evil — to bring beauty into being. So, here are a few texts that you could use in helping an unbeliever at least know why you think that God is the decisive baby-maker.

Psalm 139:13–14: “You formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made” — that is, made by God.

Job 10:11–12: Job says to God, “You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love.” So, not just skin, not just flesh and bones and sinews, but life that can be experienced in relational love. God created that.

Job 31:13–15: Job talks to God about why he has treated his servants well and fairly. He says, “If I have rejected the cause of my manservant or my maidservant, when they brought a complaint against me, what then shall I do when God rises up? When he makes inquiry, what shall I answer him? Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?” In other words, every human, whatever class, is made by God in the womb.

Psalm 71:6: “Upon you I have leaned from before my birth; you are he who took me from my mother’s womb. My praise is continually of you.” Before the psalmist was born, he was already leaning, depending on God in the womb.

Ecclesiastes 11:5: “As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.” Wow. We don’t know how the spirit, the life, the soul of the human nature comes into this union of egg and sperm. It’s one of those works of God, like so many others, we do not understand. But there it is; he does it.

Jeremiah 1:5: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” God was already dealing with Jeremiah as a person before he was born.

So, I conclude from these passages and others that humans don’t bring humans into being; God does. Humans contribute genetic material, but God makes the union of egg and sperm the living, eternal human soul. Amazing. That’s the first thing you try to share with your non-Christian friend.

Unswervingly Sovereign
The second step is to show the biblical principle that God often uses foolishness and even evil to bring beauty into being. Now, in general, you can say to your unbelieving friend, “If God really creates a human soul that once did not exist, and now exists forever as a person, then doing this Godlike thing — through natural or unnatural, good or bad, sinful or un-sinful ways of uniting egg and sperm — is a piece of cake. It’s relatively easy. I mean, creating a human being is the great glory and mystery. The how is relatively unimportant when it comes to whether God can do it or not.”

“God often uses foolishness and even evil to bring beauty into being.”
Let me close with this: What would be the most evangelistic, personal, caring way to get across this principle to the unbeliever? And I think the answer is to go to the most amazing text of all, Acts 4:27–28, to show how God used four Christ-haters to accomplish Christ’s saving will — to bring about the most beautiful, glorious, wonderful act of salvation in the history of the world. So, here’s what it says:

Truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles [the Roman soldiers who drove the nails in] and the peoples of Israel [who cried, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”] to do . . .

What were they gathered together to do?

. . . to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.

I can imagine an unbeliever maybe hearing that and saying, “Whoa, I never heard anything like that before.” If God can orchestrate Herod, Pilate, brutal Roman soldiers, and unbelieving Jews to bring about the greatest life-giving event that ever was — the death and resurrection of Jesus — then making a human baby with sinful humans is not a problem.
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/are-ivf-babies-knit-together-by-god-too


Long read, right? Well...
The basic idea is:
1. Man as God made him, is a co-creator with mandate to be fruitful, multiply, replenish the earth...

2. However, the premise of Satan's entire fall-of-man's temptation regimen was to induce a psychology in man and cause him to seek a system independent of divine order; a world essentially where God would not be needed and man would survive and exist by the economy of man.
Cain started it with his city that he founded off to the East of Eden, the Tower of Babel guys led by Semiramis and Nimrod toed that line too aided by fallen angels (the Nephilim called by scripture 'sons of God' who saw that the daughters of men were fair and mated with them to produce alien kinds like chymeras etc.
Divine order in entering into the office of creating life is crucial to God's heart or one risks committing unpardonable sins.
3. Modern IVF methods, how do you think they fare with the injunction that "marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled ..."?
Defiling speaks of 3rd party introductions into the arrangement of marriage which is why the Catholic church (I am not by the way) has stuck to its guns since on surrogacy, IVF with donor sperms, lab test tube babies, experiments on fetuses etc.
4. What would you know about the blood line of your donor?
5. Biblical babymaking was stipulated to be within the confines of marriage or at best mutually loving or aware relationships, this off-the-counter supermarket type offered by IVF, does it align with divine order?!

So much can be said and I can't tell you categorically to go ahead or not only that you should hand over your reasons for refusing marriage to the Holy Spirit for Him to do what only God can do. I'd say don't let your distaste for the antics of evil men make you write off all others. The life of a believer should be lived ingravitating and journeying towards divine purposing; it shouldn't be lived as series of reactions to environmental circumstances. Journey towards His unique Jeremiah 29:11 purpose for you as led. Don't make conclusions about how you want to live based on society's failings or the antics of a confused generation that Christ Jesus has already forwarned about exhaustively. You appear too good for this rugged world but you must occupy till He comes so seek out atmospheres for gaining strength and clarity for your race.

So lengthy. Couldn't it everything.

So I'm summary... Is it right or wrong?

Thanks for taking the time to post that link.

Hell fire straight

sellers4buyers:
Sin is an immoral act considered to be against divine law. Something is immoral if it doesn’t conform with the accepted standard of morality according to the law.

Is there a law against IVF and the process that leads to it that must be violated to make it a sin?

That said, IVF is an invention put in the heart of man by God to aid procreation in order to reduce the volume of prayers requests that comes from us human to Him for the wants of children.

In a woman’s quest to have a child outside sexual inter course, the question we should ask ourselves is; does that process involves immoral act? Some will say yes and others No. That depends on the lense through which you access the issue. If you consider masturbation a sin, you will say yes and if you consider it not, you did say No.

Based on my own conviction, sexual intercourse is a sin if it happens between two people outside wedlock. Masturbation (cannot be backed up Biblically to be a sin) part of the process of getting a donor for the IVF. This then leads us to the conclusion that if you are convinced that masturbation is a sin, then IVF is a sin because you a beneficiary of a sinful act. If you believe it’s not a sin, then IVF is not because you are beneficiary of a righteous act. Peace.

Sin is not based on your own conviction or your doctrines. Sin is not arbitrarily defined either. Sin is clearly defined for us in rules literally given to us by God Himself and it is sin against God to attempt adding to God's Law rules born of your personal conviction or imaginings.

Masturbation is not a sin but when you lust in your heart after a woman you commit sin. A married man can masturbate while lusting after his own wife.

CharisEleos:

What about how the sperm was generated?
Remember you told me it's a sin to imagine lustfully with a woman and that seems to be the medium through which sperm is gotten without a woman physically being around.

So, don't you think using such a thing gotten sinfully is the same as indulging and involving herself in sin?

When you ask someone for money, do you ALWAYS worry about how each currency note was obtained before you accept what was given to you?

When a friend gives you a gift, do you ALWAYS worry whether the gift was obtained by dubious means or not before you accept and appreciate that which was handed you?

The truth is there is no such thing as holy(without sin) item in this world - gotten without sin. However, if your "conscience" is unsettled by it still, you can always request to obtain sperm only from married donors who were lusting only after their wives at the time.

Kobojunkie:
When you ask someone for money, do you ALWAYS worry about how each currency note was obtained before you accept what was given to you?

When a friend gives you a gift, do you ALWAYS worry whether the gift was obtained by dubious means or not before you accept and appreciate that which was handed you?

The truth is there is no such thing as holy(without sin) item in this world - gotten without sin. However, if your "conscience" is unsettled by it still, you can always request to obtain sperm only from married donors who were lusting only after their wives at the time.

Lol... You? You are a case. Kikikikiiii... Ok ooo...

What a dumb question

If I may asked, how exactly are you gonna donate the egg for fertilization?
You will prefer to masturbate than to call on a real nigga like me to fuccck you to pregnancy

livingchrist:
I think it is a sin because the man who owns the sperm is not her husband.

what about couple that sought sperm donor for IVF

petra1:


what about couple that sought sperm donor for IVF

I want to ask you is polygamy wrong? There are somethings that are not writing as sin in the bible eg polygamy yet we know it is wrong, as christian we called to a higher standard to uphold God's original purpose and plan.
Sperm donor is unnatural, there are many children abandoned and need care, if couples cannot have children or don not want to have children they could adopt those abandoned children.

Kobojunkie:
Sin is not based on your own conviction or your doctrines. Sin is not arbitrarily defined either. Sin is clearly defined for us in rules literally given to us by God Himself and it is sin against God to attempt adding to God's Law rules born of your personal conviction or imaginings.

Masturbation is not a sin but when you lust in your heart after a woman you commit sin. A married man can masturbate while lusting after his own wife.

God have mercy, your true colour is shining brighter at each passing,



see how confused you are, how can you masturbate without lust?

Kobojunkie:
Sin is not based on your own conviction or your doctrines. Sin is not arbitrarily defined either. Sin is clearly defined for us in rules literally given to us by God Himself and it is sin against God to attempt adding to God's Law rules born of your personal conviction or imaginings.

Masturbation is not a sin but when you lust in your heart after a woman you commit sin. A married man can masturbate while lusting after his own wife.

Wow..