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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 10:42am On Jul 10, 2021
Advancedman:


They have aborted the party in it craddle.
na so nah grin
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 10:43am On Jul 10, 2021
fergie001:

You are not correct.

The SC has said it plenty times that only an Aspirant in a Primary can contest same Primary.
PDP v Sylva 2012
Daniel v INEC 2015
Tarzoor v Ortom 2016

Primary elections are in-house matters of a political party. A non-member of the party has no locus to raise the issue and no member of the party who was not an aspirant can raise the issue. See Section 87(9)(a) of the Electoral Act.

Even in the Zamfara issue, PDP via a press conference insisted there was no Primary in Zamfara, yet could not take it to Court.

YPP has no locus.....Whether INEC has to follow its rules and procedure, has been decided in Zamfara v APC.
This your argument is watery. You just mentioned three cases and you call that plenty. Those pronouncements are not law. You can only be sure if there is a law backing that up in the electoral act. Maybe you need to read carefully where I stated that every case is treated on its own merit and the argument of lawyers. It is not once, twice or thrice that the Supreme court has given judgements contrary to precedence when confrontedd with superior arguments. You just need a good lawyer and a good argument. And YPP has a very solid case.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 10:48am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:
This your argument is watery. You just mentioned three cases and you call that plenty. Those pronouncements are not law. You can only be sure if there is a law backing that up in the electoral act. Maybe you need to read carefully where I stated that every case is treated on its own merit and the argument of lawyers. It is not once, twice or thrice that the Supreme court has given judgements contrary to precedence when confrontedd with superior arguments. You just need a good lawyer and a good argument. And YPP has a very solid case.
No case.
If 3 isn't many, cite 1 that has gone according to what you have said. There are still some that dates back to the 2000s, have you heard of precedence?

You saw 87 (10) of the Electoral Act 2010, You saw the cases...read them, then you can start coming from my position.

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by vicdom(m): 10:49am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:

Don't run faster than your shadow. I am not a fan of Ifeanyi Ubah or YPP but he has a very strong case. No supreme court pronouncement on a particular case is etched on stone. Every case is treated on its own merit and the argument of lawyers. Many examples abound where the supreme court has flipped over on similar issues. YPP can easily argue that the INEC report which shows non compliance with the electoral act in the primaries APC and PDP conducted directly affects its candidate because those parties ought not to participate in the election where every vote is precious and should not be wasted on parties that would otherwise not have participated ab initio. The case is very strong. PDP and APC are in very big trouble.
Did INEC complain about non compliance of any of these party primaries??

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 10:53am On Jul 10, 2021
vicdom:

Did INEC complain about non compliance of any of these party primaries??
Thank you for that question.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by vicdom(m): 10:55am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:

His lawyer must have briefed him that APGA did everything right. INEC monitored the primary that produced Soludo unlike the sham in APC and PDP. You know Ifeanyi Ubah is desperate to be governor, if APGA was at fault he would have included the party in the suit. Btw you didn't show up in the thread where a case was brought against Andy Uba seeking his disqualification by his fellow aspirants. What happened cheesy
I can see you are indeed partisan, so I wouldn't engage you. How could you say that INEC didn't monitor PDP primary?? You must be an APGA's apologist, so no need.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 10:58am On Jul 10, 2021
vicdom:

Did INEC complain about non compliance of any of these party primaries??
INEC don't need to complain. They are joined in the suit and will be made to disclose to the court if those parties held a primary or not according to their reports.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 10:58am On Jul 10, 2021
vicdom:

I can see you are indeed partisan, so I wouldn't engage you. How could you say that INEC didn't monitor PDP primary?? You must be an APGA's apologist, so no need.

Are you Garfield? I quoted Garfield.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 10:58am On Jul 10, 2021
https://www.nairaland.com/6639285/okoro-nkemakolam-asks-court-disqualify#103467656
tchalk....thank you for the exposé.....I have found the SC judgement, it was even in my library.

garfield1...APGA is clean, except for their National Chairmanship squabble, but the date for Congress issues is settled.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Cantonese: 11:04am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:


Are you Garfield? I quoted Garfield.

But Garfield aside, there are those of us who are getting enlightened by the decent discussion going on between you, Fergie and Vicdom. We may have questions to ask too.

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by McBishop2020: 11:05am On Jul 10, 2021
It's good to see smart and learned individuals argue.

Gentlemen, is the suit against the validity of the primary or against the candidates flying the flag of the parties involved?

Is it a plea to disqualify the parties involved or the candidates of the parties involved?

Did INEC report applause the primaries of the parties involved or condemned them in INEC reports?

Can the above help in deciding whether YPP has a case or not?

I'm not a lawyer but like sound and clear logic.

Thanks.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 11:15am On Jul 10, 2021
fergie001:

No case.
If 3 isn't many, cite 1 that has gone according to what you have said. There are still some that dates back to the 2000s, have you heard of precedence?

You saw 87 (10) of the Electoral Act 2010, You saw the cases...read them, then you can start coming from my position.
OK let me cite one case to tell you that hoping on precedence is just nonsense. In this recent case Uche Nwosu of AA was disqualified by the supreme court because his nomination was challenged by the candidate of a rival party APP. The link is below. After reading, come and explain it to me cheesy

https://dailytrust.com/imo-govship-polls-supreme-court-quashes-uche-nwosus-candidature
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by vicdom(m): 11:23am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:
OK let me cite one case to tell you that hoping on precedence is just nonsense. In this recent case Uche Nwosu of AA was disqualified by the supreme court because his nomination was challenged by the candidate of a rival party APP. The link is below. After reading, come and explain it to me cheesy

https://dailytrust.com/imo-govship-polls-supreme-court-quashes-uche-nwosus-candidature
Lol..UCHE obviously violated electoral act, so APP simply went to court to challenge his double candidature of political parties. It's just like when someone presented a forged documents to INEC and it published it, then it would become a public case that anybody will have the right to institute a case. But the cases fergie cited above were party primaries, YPP couldn't have known whether it was flawed or not because it didn't take part in it. Except, the party and the candidates of those elections, the only other person that has right to take up any case with that regards is INEC. So they are entirely two different scenarios.

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by samwillyco1(m): 11:28am On Jul 10, 2021
He should also ask for APGA's disqualifications.. GREEDY wolf in sheep's clothing

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 11:42am On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:
OK let me cite one case to tell you that hoping on precedence is just nonsense. In this recent case Uche Nwosu of AA was disqualified by the supreme court because his nomination was challenged by the candidate of a rival party APP. The link is below. After reading, come and explain it to me cheesy

https://dailytrust.com/imo-govship-polls-supreme-court-quashes-uche-nwosus-candidature
Thank you...I didn't read because this is my case. Garfield1

The Originating summons is the lifeblood or existence of any case.

That is a different matter from this one.
The APP accused Uche Nwosu of the AA of double candidature.

In this case, YPP is challenging the APC & PDP of the validity of Primaries. The validity of Primary election is embedded in S. 85 & S.87 of the Electoral Act.

I will reproduce both;
Section 37 of the Electoral Act talks about the candidature; very different.

S.37(7). 'Where a candidate knowingly allows himself to be nominated by more than one political party or in more than one constituency his nomination shall be void."

This portion does not tell you who can challenge it; A registered Political Party or any Aspirant can.

But severally the SC has stated that Sections 85 & 87 are internal workings of a Party, only an Aspirant can challenge. Try to read those cases I typed earlier or should I send the links?

S.87(10) states emphatically who should challenge the validity or non-validity thereof.
87(10):
"Notwithstanding the provisions of this Act or rules of a political party, an aspirant who complains that any of the provisions of this Act and the guidelines of a political party has not been complied with in the selection or nomination of a candidate of a political party for election, may apply to the Federal High Court or the High Court of a State or Federal Capital Territory, for redress".

The SC went further in Daniel v INEC (2015);
"By the provision in Section 87(9) of the Electoral Act 2010 (as amended) it is an aggrieved aspirant who physically participated in a primary election conducted by the National Executive Committee of his party that is imbued with the locus standi to raise a finger of complaint... The Appellant admitted that he did not participate in the primary. He is not an aspirant in terms of Section 87(9) of the Electoral Act. He is not imbued with the locus standi to challenge the said primary."


AGAIN...in the case of APP v Nwosu...INEC had published his name.

In this case, INEC hasn't even published any name....so did INEC tell you they are querying or not querying the Primary?

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 11:52am On Jul 10, 2021
Garfield please quote me with your known Garfield APC moniker. Don't go and bring your PDP monikers just because Andy Uba and APC are on the verge of being disqualified cheesycheesy
That your explanation up there is too wack to quote biko. Let me read the defence from fergie moniker first
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by garfield1: 12:07pm On Jul 10, 2021
vicdom:

Did INEC complain about non compliance of any of these party primaries??

Inec complained about apga congress
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 12:09pm On Jul 10, 2021
garfield1:
Inec complained about apga congress
I have seen the 21 days issue.

The SC said: if INEC were not intimated about the Congress, the fact that INEC observed the Primary....it is good.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by garfield1: 12:11pm On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:
Garfield please quote me with your known Garfield APC moniker. Don't go and bring your PDP monikers just because Andy Uba and APC are on the verge of being disqualified cheesycheesy
That your explanation up there is too wack to quote biko. Let me read the defence from fergie moniker first

Fergie001 really dealt with you intellectually.apc is not about to be disqualified, it is apga and pdp

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Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by garfield1: 12:11pm On Jul 10, 2021
fergie001:

I have seen the 21 days issue.

The SC said: if INEC were not intimated about the Congress, the fact that INEC observed the Primary....it is good.

Where is it?
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 12:13pm On Jul 10, 2021
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by jimter44(m): 12:13pm On Jul 10, 2021
This issue does not relate to Marafa case. Marafa was a member of APC andl was directly affected by the conduct of APC primaries in Zamfara state. The plaintiff here is not a member of neither APC nor PDP. It an academic exercise in futility.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 12:14pm On Jul 10, 2021
fergie001:

Thank you...I didn't read because this is my case. Garfield1

The Originating summons is the lifeblood of existence of this case.

That is a different matter from this one. The AP accused Uche Nwosu of the AA of double candidature.

In this case, YPP is challenging the APC & PDP of the validity of Primary. The validity of Primary is embedded in S. 85 & S.87 of the Electoral Act.

I will reproduce both;
Section 37 of the Electoral Act;

7. 'Where a candidate knowingly allows himself to be nominated by more than one political party or in more than one constituency his nomination shall be void.

This portion does not tell you who should challenge it;

But severally the SC has stated that Sections 85 & 87 are internal workings of a Party, only an Aspirant can challenge. Try to read those cases I typed earlier or should I send the links?

I waited for you to shoot yourself and you just did. There is nowhere where it was stated in the electoral act that only an aspirant within a party can legally challenge his party's primary whether stated implicitly or explicitly or what type of infraction can be challenged by rival parties. Get serious.
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 12:16pm On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:
I waited for you to shoot yourself and you just did. There is nowhere where it was stated in the electoral act that only an aspirant within a party can legally challenge his party's primary whether stated implicitly or explicitly or what type of infraction can be challenged by rival parties. Get serious.
Why did you cut out the other parts grin grin grin grin grin
You just wanna stress me... grin

jimter44:
This issue does not relate to Marafa case. Marafa was a member of APC andl was directly affected by the conduct of APC primaries in Zamfara state. The plaintiff here is not a member of neither APC nor PDP. It an academic exercise in futility.
Ezewuzie01
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 12:17pm On Jul 10, 2021

Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by garfield1: 12:17pm On Jul 10, 2021
McBishop2020:
It's good to see smart and learned individuals argue.

Gentlemen, is the suit against the validity of the primary or against the candidates flying the flag of the parties involved?

Is it a plea to disqualify the parties involved or the candidates of the parties involved?

Did INEC report applause the primaries of the parties involved or condemned them in INEC reports?

Can the above help in deciding whether YPP has a case or not?

I'm not a lawyer but like sound and clear logic.

Thanks.

The suit is against the validity of primaries?

The suit is a plea to disqualify both candidates and parties.

Inec only condemned apc primaries or the non conduct of it
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by Ezewuzie01: 12:19pm On Jul 10, 2021
garfield1:


Fergie001 really dealt with you intellectually.apc is not about to be disqualified, it is apga and pdp

Garfield, why are you running? Your hatred for Soludo will consume you. Keep living fake lives on nairaland. Only you with twenty different personalities grin

You are from Anambra but continue pretending cheesy

We are waiting to see how the two illiterate brothers from Uga will be our governor cheesy
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by garfield1: 12:19pm On Jul 10, 2021
jimter44:
This issue does not relate to Marafa case. Marafa was a member of APC andl was directly affected by the conduct of APC primaries in Zamfara state. The plaintiff here is not a member of neither APC nor PDP. It an academic exercise in futility.

Very true
Re: Anambra 2021: YPP Asks Court To Void PDP, APC Primaries by fergie001: 12:20pm On Jul 10, 2021
Ezewuzie01:


Garfield, why are you running? Your hatred for Soludo will consume you. Keep living fake lives on nairaland. Only you with twenty different personalities grin

You are from Anambra but continue pretending cheesy

We are waiting to see how the two illiterate brothers from Uga will be our governor cheesy
You are mixing two things.
Vicdom & garfield1 are like water and oil politically grin

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