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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 11:55am On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime:We've seen Adesina coming out to Tell People to give up their ancestral lands for open Grazing |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 11:57am On Jul 10, 2021 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:04pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Nezzjnr: In 2014, they were named 4th deadliest terror group in the world. If you think Buhari leaving will change anything, you are on a long thing. Buhari is just a lightning rod for people pissed off with herdsmen. 4 Likes
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nezzjnr: 12:14pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime:Why then does it seem like a rocket science for NA to deal with these sect 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 12:28pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime:As far back as 2002 I remember people from my hometown clashing with herders for eating people's farm produce and it even led to serious reprisals that the king had to wade in to stop the crisis, and OBJ was the president and late Prince Audu the governor. The issue predates this present administration and for people to start saying they're backed by the President is pure politicking. Anywhere you find pastoralists and farmers living together without proper measures put in place by them on resources utilisation there's going to be trouble. Most of the cattle herded by the pastoralists are owned by some powerful people who are indigenous. Out of 100 less than 5 is owned by the herder, the herder is like a salesman looking over the business of his boss. Here are the factors driving the herders towards the south; desertification, urbanization, access to market, and insecurity. It is failure of the leaders across board in addressing some of the listed challenges and the mindset of some of the herders and host community that's causing the problem. I have written on how a colony/ranch will solve some if not all of these problems between farmers and herders because the present system is not working for all. 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 12:41pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Amoto94: Most of the things u wrote here are true, the only angle u failed to capture in this current crisis between Herdsmen and farmers is Herdsmen carrying Automatic weapons, plotting and carrying out deadly attacks against host communities and torching villages. Herdsmen have always clashed with farmers right from OBJ's tenure but they've not been known to carry automatic weapons, neither have we seen miyetta Allah ( the umbrella body of herders) not condemning attacks orchestrated by herders but rather claiming the land belongs to us all. You see during my NYSC prior to Buhari's emergence as preident elect I encountered Fulani Herdsmen in the north west and they don't carry more than a stick and sheathed cutlass while herding their cow. How herders suddenly started bearing automatic weapons, burning down farms, annihilating a whole community because they are challenged by farm owners is something this present government needs to answer and find solution to. You should understand people who feel these Herdsmen are emboldened by their national patron being president of Nigeria is just people saying things the way they see it. If this is not investigated and a logical explanation given, trust me we haven't seen the end of this herders-farmers crisis. So u see it doesn't necessarily has to do with politicking. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 12:44pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 12:53pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:I agree with you that in the past that the herders don't move about with assault riffles but with sticks and machetes, the guns used recently are purchased by the owners of the cattle and handed over to the herders as cattle rustling became prevalent (another failure in leadership in providing the needed security). Unfortunately these weapons are now being used to perpetuate crimes like kidnapping and armed robbery by some of the herders which wasn't what the purchase was meant for. As for miyetti Allah there are two of them one is very calm and calculative the other one are composed mainly of people who are not helping things with their utterances and this is the one that mostly gain media attention due to how sensational their statements are. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:07pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: The guns is a fall out from Libya and opening of weapons trafficking routes from that side. Same is happening all over Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Chad, Mauritania etc 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 1:08pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Amoto94: If the bold is true, then maybe the government needs To do more by dealing with these set of people for incitement.....u see, if the government keeps allowing these set of people make reckless statements and then have DSS invite people who make similar statements from other parts of the country it shows nothing but a bias on the part of the government that can be interpreted as persecution of people from certain parts of the country. The President's spokespersons ain't helping matters too. Juts like nezzar pointed out, imagine someone like Femi Adesina saying things like people should rather give up their lands for ranching than die as a result of herders-farmers crisis.....Does that sound like a logical way of addressing a crisis such as the herders-farmers crisis? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 1:10pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime: It's a thing for the guns being fallout from the Libya, then it's another thing for the government taking a stand that implies the Herders aren't in the wrong for attacking their host communities, but that they are gods that should be allowed to do as they please and appeased with offerings such as free lands to graze on. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 1:12pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Conte: “In England, Jorginho improved a lot and he is now a stronger player, if you compare him to the player at Napoli. He has always been a player who likes to play football & be the playmaker, but physically he has improved a lot. This is great for him & #ITA” (Telegraph) #CFC 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:14pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: That's just political storytelling as far as I am concerned. What the Govt won't do is allow communities attack Fulani Herdsmen on the presumption of them being killers Even the Buhari you are talking about, his hometown is overrun with bandits and his people being killed daily. One must separate emotions from logic. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 1:17pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Italy rely so much on Jorginho, if England are going to win @EURO2020 then they need to keep him quiet. One of the reason Italy are solid at the back is due to both his performance and his vocal presence. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 1:20pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Amoto94:If what you say is true, why haven't there be an official arrest of the bad one,they promote violence and national peace yet nothing was done. Then we have MURIC do we also have 2 parts of them? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 1:26pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
iamoyindamola:Are we discussing MURIC here? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 1:33pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Amoto94:Don't MURIC negotiate or support herders too ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 1:34pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:but it's TRUE, femi adesina might be very bais but he says it as it is Why can't southerners allow northerners to have ranches, so many governors were tribalistic on this issue, same people will say one Nigeria but a solution that integrates them and another tribe, they remember their tribal identities If they are worried, it can be private sector owned ranches, each cattle owner will pay a fair amount monthly to the ranch, they will be fed at the ranch, at the end of the contract, he gets his fully grown cattle and decides what he wants to do with it It will grow a different sector of the economy, prices of meat will drop and so many people will gain employment, why send a single guy to risk his life in the forest to feed your cattles when you can pay a company to handle everything for a cheaper price with peace of mind, those herdsmen can be redirected into another sector of the economy that can utilize their skillset, how many herdmens dey self? They aren't more than 2000 there will be no damage to those families in the north, everybody is getting a fair price and everybody sleeps at night There will be competition among ranches, you will even create a haulage sector of that industry to transport cattles or feeds Vast amount of lands will get inhabited, developments will grow in those hot spots and pour into the national economy 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 1:39pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime: If that is how u see it, no problem....Well the way I see it is this; the government should not sit and watch people killed, lose limbs to Herdsmen attacks and do little or nothing to bring perpetrators to book. Do u know the attack on Igangan community in Oyo State has really not been addressed by the federal goverment? I mean a community was attacked, people killed and even the palace of the traditional ruler was set ablaze and yet the federal government keeps mum. Then u wonder how people like Sunday Igboho gets to rally so many people including a professor to believe in his agitations. Whether u like it or not, the president's body language in all of this is a major factor in stoking up fire of disintegration. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 1:43pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueAngel444:they are hyping up jorginho ![]() Been noticing increasing chatter about him lately ibime ![]() ![]() I worry for you ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 1:47pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Havertz10: I really don't understand you. If anybody wants a ranch he can easily buy the vast amount of land he needs and have his ranch right on that land. Why should anybody give up his land for an herder to site his ranch there? Why exactly? Care to explain? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:49pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: I believe every crime has a culprit. If you can find the culprit who come and go swiftly then they should be dealt with What Govt won't allow you do is kill random people on account of their ethnicity and occupation. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 1:51pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:I proposed private sector based businesses, i'm only continuing femi adesina statement that it's the only solution to the problem |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 1:52pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Havertz10: You're just typing the figments of the imaginations in your head. What Southern governors banned was Open grazing. They did not ban ranching. If a group of herders decide to buy 10 hectares of land at Shimawa in Ogun state, nobody is stopping them. Stop walking up and down with cattles. That's their point. I don't understand what that has got to with giving up your land. Do they give land for free in the North? 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Almajirihunter(m): 1:57pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: It seems their wealth is at an all time high and they have high control of cash in their coffers more than ever which goes opposite ways with with the current economic state of the rest of the nation, definitely calls for some questions |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Amoto94(m): 2:00pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Ibime:The bolded is the summary of the whole issue. Go after criminals. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 2:02pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
izzou:i'm only continuing femi's point that it's the only solution, whatever plan the government had was rejected in a tribalist manner, I didn't follow the news well but I got the main gist I don't know the full details of the government's plan but i'm talking based on the theme of the proposal The governors could have renegotiated the proposal or even set up a think tank to analyze the maths behind a system like that and find positives, options plenty but each state used it to beat their chest in a tribalist manner Just saw this. Herdsmen know that the system has to change, they are willing to listen to proposals Why can't these people dialogue?
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by iamoyindamola(m): 2:14pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
BlueRayDick:But if reverse is the case, soldiers from the govt will start moving around Miyetti will threaten hell and fullfil it MURIC(That hypocrite group) will complain how Muslims are been slaughtered Yet none of these 3 mentioned have say anything. Sunday and kanu are bigger problems for us 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 2:22pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Havertz10: Now here's the problem ; you didn't get the full gist about Femi's proposal neither did u get the full gist about why the governors rejected it, but yet u are stanning it. If u must must know, Femi's proposal is a foolish one that isn't in line with modern dictates. Femi is suggesting that governors make available lands within their states to be used by herders as ranches .....:the governors knowing they aren't obliged to provide such lands for privayr owned businesses turned the proposal down, they believe if farmers can buy lands and cultivate their crops why can't herders do same. If u don't know, there are farm settlements in places like Epe, Imota and other areas in Lagos where people buy vast amount of lands to cultivate.( I know this because my boss in the office operates a farm in one of such places) Now tell me what is tribalistic in telling people to run their private businesses in line with modern best practices? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 2:24pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
iamoyindamola: Honestly it's the hypocrisy for me |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 2:43pm On Jul 10, 2021 |
Havertz10: Buy/Rent a piece of land and put your cattles there. What's tribalistic about this decision? Someone who moves about with and average of 20 cows with one valued at 150k cannot rent a piece of land? 1 Like |
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