Hello, Christians in the house! This theory of rapture before tribulation has been troubling my mind for some time now and I decided to check it out from the Bible. I grew up in deeper life and I believe 80% of Christians support the theory of rapture before great tribulation

I believe the two will happen though, but I decided to hear what Jesus said with his own mouth concerning the rapture and great tribulation. I discover many of our pastors don't always read Matthew 24 from beginning to the end, they will just pick a section of it and read to support their message.

After reading Matthew 24 over and over again, I feel my eyes have been opened and the answer to that question of rapture and tribulation has been solved. Please bear with me and read althrough this text. I will add some comments in order to bring out my point.

Matthew 24:1-51

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Comment: verse 9 says Christians will be delivered to be afflicted, maimed and killed - meaning worldwide persecution of Christians.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Comment: Many people who are not prepared for the persecution coming upon Christians will be annoyed and quickly change in their behavior towards their fellow Christian.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Comment: during those days, sin will get to its highest peak and as a result many will lose their love/focus from God

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Comment: Endurance, discipline, and deeper love for God will be the only thing that will save the elect (Christians) on that day.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Comment: God will start using serious minded believers to preach the gospel so that everybody in the world will har it.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Comment: Many Christians will be on the run for fear of being captured by the evil ones.

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Comment: when that time comes, many people will flee from their homes having no food, supply or anything with them other than to keep themselves alive.

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Comment: People will abandon their houses and other possession they have as their safety (lives) will be the only priority

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Comment: in Jesus words, he said the great tribulation will happen at that time, something that has never been recorded in the history of mankind - and note that he did not talk about rapture first, but great tribulation.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Comment: The people of God will be considered and as a result the days will be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

Comment: Now hear, Jesus already gave us some details on how it's going to be. By that time blaming someone else for your unpreparedness will not matter anymore. So he already tell us what to expect.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Comment: Jesus second coming will not be in secrecy, everybody will see him come.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Comment: More terrible things will happen during those days and note, Christians will still be around.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Comment: Now Jesus will come and those who rejected him will cry bitterly that they refused him in their lives.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Comment: And here comes the rapture we. The faithful Christians will be raptured and go to heaven. Let me just drop a Bible passage here. Paul was privileged to see this particular event and he says in

1st Thessalonians 4: 15-18

15.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

That's what apostle Paul said, he only mentioned the rapture but did not see this great tribulation revelation. And now we believe that Jesus is greater than Paul and he gave us a list of what will happen that day. Many congregations are afraid of telling their members the full truth stated by Jesus.


Now back to Matthew 24

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Comment: Now, with the look of the events happening in our world lately we should be able to decipher that all of this Prophecies will or may happen in this generation.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth cometh

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Now, what do you think of this, I will like to hear your opinion on this matter. I'll appreciate your contributions

Please in which verse is the word "RAPTURE" written in this chapter?
Because the word "TRIBULATION" is there but i can't find the word "RAPTURE"

Another thread for Christians to call their fellow Christians hideous names because of denominational supremacy and doctrinal differences.
Why not repent of your sins. Love God and your neighbor as your self,as the Bible says,and let rapture or tribulation happen when it will happen.
#Spreadlovenothate#
#Spreadunitynotdivision#

MaxInDHouse:
Please in which verse is the word "RAPTURE" written in this chapter?
Because the word "TRIBULATION" is there but i can't find the word "RAPTURE"

You don't really need to have the word 'Rapature' written there! The question here is, what is the definition or concept of rapture all about?

To me, I believe it's generally taken as a sudden disappearance of saints or believers in Christ.

Now go back and read verses 40 & 41 and see if that concept is captured or not.

justt:

You don't really need to have the word 'Rapature' written there! The question here is, what is the definition or concept of rapture all about? To me, I believe it's generally taken as a sudden disappearance of saints or believers in Christ. Now go back and read verses 40 & 41 and see if that concept is captured or not.

God's word never supported such idea.
According to the Bible those going to heaven with Jesus must die and be buried first but instead of sleeping in death during Christ's presence in power they will be transformed into spirit beings while there body decays! 1Corinthians 15:35-47

The born again Christians must die naturally first before they're transformed. Most of them will sleep in death but when the trumpet is blown for the dead in Christ (born again) those who are dead will rise first, while those living will be transformed instantly after they die.

The point of emphasis there is that each born again Christian must complete his earthly course before joining others in glory. So the word RAPTURE doesn't apply in any way!

The rapture current Christians talk about is a trumpet call without Jesus coming and saints will disappear ..leaving those without Jesus to go tru tribulation bla, bla, bla...then Jesus will now come...


I believe there’s no separate trumpet call rapture before the coming of Jesus...1st thes 4v16 said the lord himself will come decend with the trumpet call...the dead first and those alive will join..

So my take is, From this present time... we will all be ushered in the tribulation period( if we are still alive)....then Jesus will come and gather the saint with the trumpet call just as said in 1st thes

Pre tribulation rapture is true, why because Christians are to expect christ coming not the great tribulation.

dsfaster:
Hello, Christians in the house! This theory of rapture before tribulation has been troubling my mind for some time now and I decided to check it out from the Bible. I grew up in deeper life and I believe 80% of Christians support the theory of rapture before great tribulation

I believe the two will happen though, but I decided to hear what Jesus said with his own mouth concerning the rapture and great tribulation. I discover many of our pastors don't always read Matthew 24 from beginning to the end, they will just pick a section of it and read to support their message.

After reading Matthew 24 over and over again, I feel my eyes have been opened and the answer to that question of rapture and tribulation has been solved. Please bear with me and read althrough this text. I will add some comments in order to bring out my point.

Matthew 24:1-51

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Comment: verse 9 says Christians will be delivered to be afflicted, maimed and killed - meaning worldwide persecution of Christians.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Comment: Many people who are not prepared for the persecution coming upon Christians will be annoyed and quickly change in their behavior towards their fellow Christian.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Comment: during those days, sin will get to its highest peak and as a result many will lose their love/focus from God

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Comment: Endurance, discipline, and deeper love for God will be the only thing that will save the elect (Christians) on that day.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Comment: God will start using serious minded believers to preach the gospel so that everybody in the world will har it.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Comment: Many Christians will be on the run for fear of being captured by the evil ones.

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Comment: when that time comes, many people will flee from their homes having no food, supply or anything with them other than to keep themselves alive.

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Comment: People will abandon their houses and other possession they have as their safety (lives) will be the only priority

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Comment: in Jesus words, he said the great tribulation will happen at that time, something that has never been recorded in the history of mankind - and note that he did not talk about rapture first, but great tribulation.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Comment: The people of God will be considered and as a result the days will be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

Comment: Now hear, Jesus already gave us some details on how it's going to be. By that time blaming someone else for your unpreparedness will not matter anymore. So he already tell us what to expect.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Comment: Jesus second coming will not be in secrecy, everybody will see him come.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Comment: More terrible things will happen during those days and note, Christians will still be around.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Comment: Now Jesus will come and those who rejected him will cry bitterly that they refused him in their lives.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Comment: And here comes the rapture we. The faithful Christians will be raptured and go to heaven. Let me just drop a Bible passage here. Paul was privileged to see this particular event and he says in

1st Thessalonians 4: 15-18

15.For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

That's what apostle Paul said, he only mentioned the rapture but did not see this great tribulation revelation. And now we believe that Jesus is greater than Paul and he gave us a list of what will happen that day. Many congregations are afraid of telling their members the full truth stated by Jesus.


Now back to Matthew 24

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Comment: Now, with the look of the events happening in our world lately we should be able to decipher that all of this Prophecies will or may happen in this generation.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth cometh

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Now, what do you think of this, I will like to hear your opinion on this matter. I'll appreciate your contributions

Hello.

I think that your experience is typical. Anyone who actually bothers to read what the Bible says on the matter and forgets what the traditional doctrine on it is will come to the same conclusion. I have never found anything in the Bible to support the idea that Christians will suddenly vanish from the earth before the Tribulation begins. But I have found multitude Scriptures that in fact teach the opposite, not least the one you posted above.

If you wish to learn more about this, I recommend the series at https://ichthys.com/Coming-Tribulation-Home-Page.htm or the summary at https://ichthys.com/2B-Eschato.htm. I found them extremely helpful in my own search for the truth.

Cheers.

Ihedinobi3:


Hello.

I think that your experience is typical. Anyone who actually bothers to read what the Bible says on the matter and forgets what the traditional doctrine on it is will come to the same conclusion. I have never found anything in the Bible to support the idea that Christians will suddenly vanish from the earth before the Tribulation begins. But I have found multitude Scriptures that in fact teach the opposite, not least the one you posted above.

If you wish to learn more about this, I recommend the series at https://ichthys.com/Coming-Tribulation-Home-Page.htm or the summary at https://ichthys.com/2B-Eschato.htm. I found them extremely helpful in my own search for the truth.

Cheers.

Thank you bro for the link

MaxInDHouse:


God's word never supported such idea.
According to the Bible those going to heaven with Jesus must die and be buried first but instead of sleeping in death during Christ's presence in power they will be transformed into spirit beings while there body decays! 1Corinthians 15:35-47

The born again Christians must die naturally first before they're transformed. Most of them will sleep in death but when the trumpet is blown for the dead in Christ (born again) those who are dead will rise first, while those living will be transformed instantly after they die.

The point of emphasis there is that each born again Christian must complete his earthly course before joining others in glory. So the word RAPTURE doesn't apply in any way!

You don't seem to understand what you are trying to explain!

Well RAPTURE is not written in God's word it's the doctrine of the churches that's what i'm saying!

justt:

You don't seem to understand what you are trying to explain!

dsfaster:

Thank you bro for the link

You're very welcome, bro. I will also mention that that ministry is the one under which I grew up spiritually and which has been aiding my development as a pastor-teacher. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn everything that the Bible has to teach so that they can grow spiritually and bear fruit for the Lord.

Cheers.

MaxInDHouse:
Well RAPTURE is not written in God's word it's the doctrine of the churches that's what i'm saying!

Hello Mr, I think you should check your dictionary if you don't no the meaning of rapture. Is not like the church formed the word and start using it in preaching, it's actually an event that will happen when Jesus come and gather his elect. Full stop...

I've heard it several times from preachers but it has no bearing on the scriptures because it's only the dead that will be transformed not the living. The churches are teaching their people that living people will disappear, that's where they're wrong. The dictionary is not tenable on such matters because it's what the churches say that the dictionary will give you as meaning. For instance Hell simply means Grave but the dictionary will give you the churches description not what it really means!

dsfaster:

Hello Mr, I think you should check your dictionary if you don't no the meaning of rapture. Is not like the church formed the word and start using it in preaching, it's actually an event that will happen when Jesus come and gather his elect. Full stop...