AntiChristian:


Agreed that you are da'if that's why your evidence is da'if. Allah is the one who accepts our acts of worship which includes Udhiyah.
But what you brought was not authentic. No contradiction except your skull vs your brain!

Agbegbaorogboye:


Allah must be a tribal bigot to have chosen prophets only from the lineage of Abraham.
Why not choose from other tribes too abi they offended Allah?
OT which means Old Testament is part of the Bible for our information and learning, not to apply as a way of life. Jesus died a Jew being born of Jewish parents. But to all intents and purposes, he was not bound to the Jewish religion as he himself alluded to so many times.

ANTIlSLAM:


Maybe you should take your misfortune go meet the author of your hadith. Am I the narrator? Or am I muhammad that said allah will accept the blood of animals on judgement day. Nawa oo

AntiChristian:


Yahweh gave so much focus on Israel in the OT, was he racist too? Or na only Israel he create?
Where Prophets before Abraham born by Abraham? Buy sense na! Other nations too had their messengers too even if they were not narrated to us.

Why include a book when it is useless?
You claimed Jesus was not bound to the Jewish religion yet he was found puting his head on the floor and was quoting the OT you claim was useless as a way of life?

Mikecold:
See I didn't ask for Jews to believe any validation

They are not God, I am talking plain reality with the Bible and that's all that's necessary

Abraham as the Bible pointed out was aware his journey with Isaac won't hurt a fly from his house at the end - fact

Abraham walked with God as his friend, God is used to showing him deep stuff with symbolism ie the stars been an insight into his generation fact

You have not countered based on the Bible facts you are talking based on the opinion a certain people should hold to validate anything

Mikecold:
Muslims tradition of slaughtering Rams stands very strong in Islam yet it is a borrowed tradition practiced by Abraham the father of the Jews

The practice was performed on Isaac who was the father of the chosen people.

There was a reason for that event but Muslims Know nothing about it, they claim it was a test of Abraham to kill isaac.

But if you look at the Bible clearly it wasn't a test

Genesis 22:5

And Abraham said into his young men, abide ye here with the ass, and i and the lad will go yonder and worship and come again to you

Abraham here was telling his men he was coming again with Isaac after going up, you call it a test but he knew the outcome of the supposed test, does this still make it a test?

Genesis 22: 8

And Abraham said, my son God would provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering, so they both went together

Abraham couldn't have known the future before God and it's outcome, he definitely was briefed that it was a symbolic act he should emback on for something bigger

Indeed God provided his own sacrifice for his own self.

Why didn't God just tell Abraham to go look for a ram somewhere else to replace isaac?

Why did he provide an impossible ram in the midst of nowhere at a mountain where ram naturally shouldn't be found?

This was a reference to Abraham on his son whom he would send as sacrifice later on

He used Isaac as an illustration because Isaac was the begotten son of Abraham just like him having Jesus

This was why God had to wait for Isacc to be born and didn't use Ishmael

Abraham was aware it wasn't a test to him, and he wasn't going to kill isaac

So when Muslims gloat about this in ignorance without understanding the significance of that event I so laugh at them because they accept God provided a ram to sacrifice to his own self

Yet they don't accept how God can provide Jesus as sacrifice to his own self

They say God doesn't do human sacrifice as reference to Jesus sacrifice yet they don't understand why same God would even fathom such an "ungodly test" for a man to kill his only son

This is not even a matter of whether Abraham did the act but for such God to even voice it out means he doesn't see anything wrong with it and it makes sense if he can't accept such only because man can't give him a pure sacrifice but he can provide his own pure loved son as all expantiated in that story

Mikecold:
I think you should call someone more intelligent than you to debate me

You are borrowing an event that means nothing to you because you contradict the same act


Yes it was about mercy but why do you claim God can't send his own provision for mercy in physical representation by himself

Yet you believe in his "mercy"

AlphaAlex:
chai and this is someone that went to school o and has a functional brain. So if they tell you to Kill ya mama and your children you will do it too . Because you hear and obey from thin air . Sha it’s not a surprise a majority of you are terrorists . Hearing and obeying Nonsense.

AntiChristian:


Why are you calling people by name such as Jew? Was Jesus not a Jew too? Even Muhammad is from a Jewish decent. So why the Jewish tag as if the Lord of the Jews is not the same Lord we worship! We call all those who worship Allah Muslims and that includes Abraham, Moses and others.

We believe it was practiced on Isma'eel and not Is'aac.

They went to worship. This sacrifice is the worship. And the child obeying his father by following him is worship to God.

Has God not provided the sacrifice already? His son is the sacrifice! Abraham does not know the future just like Jesus.

This is where you are confused. Abraham never knew Jesus nor trinity nor of His God having son. If you claim Abraham had to use Isaac as his begotten son as your basis to prove John 3:16, then i'll say Abraham had two sons from two women, then show us the two sons and wives of your LORD?

You are not accepting that Abraham's son was the sacrifice. Why should we accept Jesus here? We also laugh when you gloat about your God sending his son to die...which father does that? And how is this much different from a blood ritual of the idolaters?

1. Our God is far from having sons/Partners/helpers/Wives/etc. Since He is far of having this then the question of killing son does not set in. He can save us without the need to shed blood! He is majestic that He needs no one's help but all things come to Him in submission!

Can't your God save people without sending His son to death? In all sense it is wrong for a father to send his son to die...

Tell anyone that the story of a father who sent his son to shed blood and die for the sins of his other sons and see the reactions. It's damn ritualist and idolatrous!

Agbegbaorogboye:


That's exactly why the NT came about. The OT was all about Israel. The NT is for everybody. Can you show us the orderly extension of Islam to all races. The disconnect is obvious. Abraham up to Jesus where all Jews. How come Mohammed a non-Jew is the last prophet.

If for example you claim Adam was a prophet and not a Jew which is very correct, you should be aware then that Adam and all those before Abraham were not part of the Abrahamic covenant which you celebrate.

If God then chose Abraham's lineage to bear his new covenant, can you tell how Mohammed came about becoming a part of that covenant?

I never used the word useless to describe the OT. Except you mean history and culture is generally useless.

Jesus himself said so many things which contradicted the laws of Moses as received by the Israelites which is why the Pharisees where against him. It was obvious that if the OT was perfect, there would have been no need for a NT.

By extension, if the OT was perfect, even your Mohammed would have had no need of existing.

AntiChristian:


You said previously that Abraham already knew the outcome of the event. This was a lie. God tested him. Gen 22:1-2

Some time later God tested Abraham and said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he answered.

“Take your son,” God said, “your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah. Offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”

His aim was to sacrifice his only son not a ram as you claim before. See your lies below!

Mikecold:
You used to be the only Muslim i can even take a pinch of salt to debate, these days you are no longer measuring up

This is just grapsing at straws because the main narrative here is about Muslims slaughtering Rams of which i explained that this act is not understood by Muslims

I explained that even though it is a custom of Muslims to remember Abraham call to sacrifice Isaac as test of his faith which they claim he passed

It was never a test because Abraham knew the result that his son was never going to be killed

The Dilemma is for Muslims who take it as an event to test Abraham faith how then did Abraham know the outcome of a "test" that expressively said kill your son

AntiChristian:


God wanted to tempt him. So he wouldn't have known the result of the test or else it wasn't a test anymore. Who is telling lies? You are the Book of Genesis quoted?

You are caught telling a brazen lie openly here. We'll finish it on your thread over there!

AntiChristian:


Muhammad was a non-Jew but was from a Jew in Abraham. And being a Jew is not a Criteria for Prophethood. Furthermore, Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic are Semitic languages traced back to Shem a descendant of Noah! This sure makes the Arabs and the Jews brothers!

Or is there a text that says all Prophets must be Jew?

Whatever Allah calls acts of worship is what we celebrate. Muslims in the time of Abraham may worship Allah in the way Allah prescribed to them. It may not necessarily be exactly as we do it today. Since they submit to the will of Allah then they are Muslims. Also Noah, Jesus and others. Abraham sacrificed a ransom and this too we have been commanded to do likewise!

Which covenant? Abraham had two sons, the first was Ishmael and the second Isaac.


It has no use since it can't be practiced anymore according to you!



He also said he never came to abolish the law of Moses but to fulfil them.



I believe in the Torah revealed to Moses and Zabur to David but not in the OT. The Torah and Zabur were for the people they were revealed to. Injeel was revealed to Jesus for his people. And the Qur'an is the final for all Mankind and Jinn.

This is the Islamic belief!

You are holy people who belong to the Lord your God. He has chosen you from all the people on earth to be his very own.

AntiChristian:


When you quote an hadith, you should state the authenticity with it.

But you are da'if as I said. You lie and twist text in purpose!

ANTIlSLAM:


Is like allah has blindfolded you this blockhead, dummy, nerd as usual. Your bewilderment, rawness never see the authenticity of that hadith right? Just take your anger go meet muhammad in grave for that utterances. Thank God you even know where it's coming from, so why kicking against it just because it doesn't favours you abi

Had it been it favours your ignoramus, I am very sure you won't call it fake hadith. We shall keep on exposing your god allah

This is another one

2dominate:

Coming from someone that believes jesus came to be CRUCIFIED for his sins

AntiChristian:


I am educated. Maybe more than a lot in your family. I'm also brainy maybe more than....

Who told you to kill anyone? Can't you learn context and limit your utterance likewise?

It's apparent your skull contains nonsense! Do empty it numbskul!

AlphaAlex:
see mumu who said I’m Christian?

AlphaAlex:
for the fact that you are claiming to be brainy it means you are pretty dumb and you definitely have an ego problem as well . You are brainy And so ? Has your education saved you from being manipulated by another person? Well the answer is no so your education is wasted you just know lots and lots of jargons nothing to do with reality. If you had any sense you would know the concept of religion and you would understand the role it has played and has continued to play . But no you are too educated to know you are born free you just chose to be trapped by nonsense.

RightChannel:


That Antichristian and his likes are very good on that, when things doesn't favours them, they always tag it as fake, non-authentic. But when criticising We Christians by quoting different Bible versions we never tag them as non-authentic, fake. Those Muslims are hypocrite from the highest order

2dominate:

See Mr functional brain that can't even compose a simple sentence without insult.

AlphaAlex:
oh you you are a saint abi you’ve never insulted someone before? FVCK outta here with that bull

AntiChristian:


Alhamdulillah, I am not a liar that keeps changing what another person writes!
It's in their blood to lie and na lie go kill them.

RightChannel:


The same way he didn't change what is their in that hadith.

AntiChristian:


No one said he changed. He didn't disclose it's authenticity!

That's non-disclosure and it's an offense!

RightChannel:


What is this one saying, who says the hadith not authentic? Name one sholar that says so?

Mikecold:
Muslims tradition of slaughtering Rams stands very strong in Islam yet it is a borrowed tradition practiced by Abraham the father of the Jews

The practice was performed on Isaac who was the father of the chosen people.

There was a reason for that event but Muslims Know nothing about it, they claim it was a test of Abraham to kill isaac.

But if you look at the Bible clearly it wasn't a test

Genesis 22:5

And Abraham said into his young men, abide ye here with the ass, and i and the lad will go yonder and worship and come again to you

Abraham here was telling his men he was coming again with Isaac after going up, you call it a test but he knew the outcome of the supposed test, does this still make it a test?

Genesis 22: 8

And Abraham said, my son God would provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering, so they both went together

Abraham couldn't have known the future before God and it's outcome, he definitely was briefed that it was a symbolic act he should emback on for something bigger

Indeed God provided his own sacrifice for his own self.

Why didn't God just tell Abraham to go look for a ram somewhere else to replace isaac?

Why did he provide an impossible ram in the midst of nowhere at a mountain where ram naturally shouldn't be found?

This was a reference to Abraham on his son whom he would send as sacrifice later on

He used Isaac as an illustration because Isaac was the begotten son of Abraham just like him having Jesus

This was why God had to wait for Isacc to be born and didn't use Ishmael

Abraham was aware it wasn't a test to him, and he wasn't going to kill isaac

So when Muslims gloat about this in ignorance without understanding the significance of that event I so laugh at them because they accept God provided a ram to sacrifice to his own self

Yet they don't accept how God can provide Jesus as sacrifice to his own self

They say God doesn't do human sacrifice as reference to Jesus sacrifice yet they don't understand why same God would even fathom such an "ungodly test" for a man to kill his only son

This is not even a matter of whether Abraham did the act but for such God to even voice it out means he doesn't see anything wrong with it and it makes sense if he can't accept such only because man can't give him a pure sacrifice but he can provide his own pure loved son as all expantiated in that story