michlins:
this was a returning customer of his who just had his 3 storey hotel project sink into the ground. The just did the parapet.

Happened in ukpor Nnewi south. Anyone around will see the millions that was sunk into the project. Unfortunately,it fell

And fear go let you go ask for your balance? This is exactly why I said Nigeria is different. In this case there is no insurance to pay. Any contractor that involved his money in project would have to visit Shiloh to seek God's Intervention

Jasobry:
I'm trying to put up something different from the conventional bricks... Using broken Spanish or China floor tiles,cut into bricks sizes for my pillars.. I chose black with gold effects.. using white coloured pigments cement. Hope it comes out well

Amen!

Sorry I just noticed you’ve messaged me in the oda room

sonnie10:


There are enough clients with their cash in Nigeria looking for reliable and trusted contractors. That is why the reputable contractors are too busy to listen to stories of deferred payment. The only exception is when you have established a good working relationship with a client over time. In fact the way it works is that what you must have gained in the past is bigger that what you are committing. And you have your eyes on future deals.

Nobody puts their money on peoples project. Even banks do not give loans without collateral.

I’m enjoying your intellectual engagement tonight.

Thanks for sharing.

n3xt:


I’m enjoying your intellectual engagement tonight.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks my Oga. Street is not smiling.

Jasobry:
I'm trying to put up something different from the conventional bricks... Using broken Spanish or China floor tiles,cut into bricks sizes for my pillars.. I chose black with gold effects.. using white coloured pigments cement. Hope it comes out well

I’m having a hard time imagining this.

Could you tease a picture?

Thanks.

sonnie10:


And fear go let you go ask for your balance? This is exactly why I said Nigeria is different. In this case there is no insurance to pay.Any contractor that involved his money in project would have to visit Shiloh to seek God's Intervention

Lol

sonnie10:


And fear go let you go ask for your balance? This is exactly why I said Nigeria is different. In this case there is no insurance to pay. Any contractor that involved his money in project would have to visit Shiloh to seek God's Intervention

it's sad what happened to him but a small vendor and contractor who took goods on credit to make supplies must pay for the goods.


That's how sad the reality is

EgunMogaji2:


I’m having a hard time imagining this.

Could you tease a picture?

Thanks.

Will get a picture from the cut to size tomorrow

n3xt:


I’m enjoying your intellectual engagement tonight.

Thanks for sharing.

Creating a good relationship with your clients really matters to me

twinskenny:
good morning boss


The client choose to pay the initial 200k through my account base on the fact that I am the one that recommend the guy… just for him to be on a safe side, I actually don’t have any problem with that since I trusted the borehole guy at that time
No single interest whatsoever from me… in fact I wasn’t there during negotiations.


The matter is already with police and have already told the client to exercise some patience, I know between now and next week he will be picked up!!

From my understanding of twinskenny explanation . This is not a broker or agency situation. This is twinskenny doing what a lot of us do here. Recommending people we think can do the job and the guy he recommend failed to performance. Unless there are other information not yet known I don't understand how twinskenny can be held responsible for this guys act. He was trying to help both the client and the borehole guy.
Yoruba say help me carry luggage can't become the luggage owner (gba ran mi o ki di eleru)

n3xt:
@ dijita

If we go by nairaland property section guide book, the young chap who came to plumbing for you should be in my black book because he failed me big time on XL6 Trillion project.

Where exactly did he fail?

Competency? Communication? Business Acumen? Efficiency?

I don’t have any doubt about his competence that’s why I didn’t fail to recommend him to handle your borehole and other jobs.
Neither did he have issues with communication. He always communicate the good and the bad to me in a very nice way.

The only issue I have with him is that he doesn’t understand how to deal with a business situation in a manner that is likely to lead to a good outcome - more importantly on money matters

Instead of running him aground as the nairaland guide book suggested or open multiple threads to alert the world about the new naija “fraudulent” plumber
I helped him become better.

The only thing I did for him on your project is to offer him incentives in return for a job well done.

Immediately he finished your job, I gave him another one in a new project in Ibadan and also top it up with Ileya Bonus

That’s the only way I can show I’m better off.


#ThisMorning I’m speaking for me and people like me and not the run him down gengs.

@N3xt. your approach is very good. However, nairaland is a market place with many characters. When someone is in diaspora and is transacting business in thousands of dollars or millions of naira over the internet with people one has never met , people tend to be very nervous and sensitive. Even then, a lot of issue get resolves behind the scene between contractors and clients. As stated earlier, this is a market place with kings and queens as well as drama kings and drama queens and their court jesters.

By the way the borehole guy is ok so far with me. Yes there have been instances that I wish he could have provide suitable solution instead of just doing it as it was been done. That is not particular with him alone, it is the commonality among Nigerian artisans. I have seen artisans trying to install burglary on internal window .
When I see things I don't like and I asked him to fix it, he does it without argument. When he put water filter with a filter that will have to be replace at least once a month by the water tank, I asked him to bring it down to lower height where people don't have to be climbing ladder to replace it. He said because of children. I told him that I am ok for children to break it than for someone to fall from the ladder in an attempt to replace the filter.
I hope he is giving you feedback that I am treating him well.

Do we have anyone selling or designing curtains in this forum? If you do let me know. Thanks

sonnie10:


There are enough clients with their cash in Nigeria looking for reliable and trusted contractors. That is why the reputable contractors are too busy to listen to stories of deferred payment. The only exception is when you have established a good working relationship with a client over time. In fact the way it works is that what you must have gained in the past is bigger that what you are committing. And you have your eyes on future deals.



Nobody puts their money on peoples project. Even banks do not give loans without collateral.

You are on point .

Not paid for the borehole I did 2 or 3 weeks ago at akala up till today , not even been called yet for payment .But then the guy has been doing all my boreholes for the past 15 years , been supplying me cement for another 10 years

Trust / reputation / capacity of person or entity Involved is also key in deciding to commit your own funds on behalf of a customer regardless of the number of years you have been doing business together .

EgunMogaji2:


When they did mine they collected full payment in advance or they wouldn’t do it. Every single place in Elebu area.

I told the Indian owner that I was disappointed but felt I had no choice.

I’ll never run any of my business like that. Not on customers money. And I haven’t been.

I've got burnt twice with this mindset Sir. One even is a UK returnee with the thought they would be Better. We are still on it till now n I'm never gonna do that again

Jasobry:
I'm trying to put up something different from the conventional bricks... Using broken Spanish or China floor tiles,cut into bricks sizes for my pillars.. I chose black with gold effects.. using white coloured pigments cement. Hope it comes out well

Please do share the image of the idea and the outcome.
Won't it look like the normal brick tiles people use for pillars?
I am interested in cobble stones it does not seem to be used much around the East

Good morning all

Dijita:


@N3xt. your approach is very good. However, nairaland is a market place with many characters. When someone is in diaspora and is transacting business in thousands of dollars or millions of naira over the internet with people one has never met , people tend to be very nervous and sensitive. Even then, a lot of issue get resolves behind the scene between contractors and clients. As stated earlier, this is a market place with kings and queens as well as drama kings and drama queens and their court jesters.

By the way the borehole guy is ok so far with me. Yes there have been instances that I wish he could have provide suitable solution instead of just doing it as it was been done. That is not particular with him alone, it is the commonality among Nigerian artisans. I have seen artisans trying to install burglary on internal window .
When I see things I don't like and I asked him to fix it, he does it without argument. When he put water filter with a filter that will have to be replace at least once a month by the water tank, I asked him to bring it down to lower height where people don't have to be climbing ladder to replace it. He said because of children. I told him that I am ok for children to break it than for someone to fall from the ladder in an attempt to replace the filter.
I hope he is giving you feedback that I am treating him well.

I’m following everything.

I asked if you’re satisfied and he said “To a large extent “Yes” but he had to rework the external pipe around external staircase area blah blah...”

When I give recommendation/referral, I don’t go to sleep without confirming that things are moving as expected. It’s as good as I am the one handling the job.

I always do my best to help these guys become better at what they do.

EgunMogaji2:
I refuse to believe that POP is the only way to go for ceiling in Nigeria.

I’ll like to see other materials that others have used recently.

Thanks.

POP is not the only way to go ceiling in Nigeria, but it's definitely the most appealing out of the affordable ceiling alternatives(POP, suspended ceiling, "asbestos ceiling" and pvc ceiling) in the country. There is treated wood ceiling, flute panel ceiling, 3D ceiling and even flat insulated sheet rock ceiling like the 2nd pics you uploaded. These ceiling alternatives will conviniently rate 3 - 4 times the rate of POP precast ceiling.

micgray100:
NEW UPDATE ON THE BOREHORE JOB NOT EXECUTED TILL DATE...

I appreciate the respected Nairalander that recommended the borehole driller for owning up to himself here (twinskenny).

Uptil till today, the job remain undone..
he twinskenny, said he has reported him to a police station.

My problem here is ... I don't know how much longer I can wait before the case get settled.

House, pease I need your clarification on this..
It was because of twinskenny recommendation on this site that I involve this guy.. And I told him specifically from the site that all I want is result... Now that we didn't get the result.. Should he the recommender refund my money.. or I wait till the case that doesn't have an ending period..

My reasons for asking the above question is simple... Everyone including me can start recommending people and getting my commision even if I know the person won't deliver...

there should be rules on this forum on issue like this...
likewise.. I paid the recommended guy through the referrals account...

Do I need to bother myself with the police case or I should get refund from the referal..

I will respect everyone opinion here... anyone can be victim tomorrow... if truely we want credibility on forum...

Apologies for such thing.
So many hypocritical elements in this forum having different standards for different people and these people are the supposed foreign intellectuals that see themselves better than PMB and one even have the audacity to be disrespectful in speech. Anyone claiming to be of high morals should remain so and stop all this double standards.

Since the contractor have said his balance should be paid to enable him complete the job then the referee whose account received the initial payment should pay that balance to the contractor and upon completion of the job the client can pay the balance back to the referee.
Thanks.

rmx:


You are on point .

Not paid for the borehole I did 2 or 3 weeks ago at akala up till today, not even been called yet for payment. But then the guy has been doing all my boreholes for the past 15 years , been supplying me cement for another 10 years

Trust / reputation / capacity of person or entity Involved is also key in deciding to commit your own funds on behalf of a customer regardless of the number of years you have been doing business together .

Something that we’ve been trying to achieve without result...


Just recently, I did 28 tons of iron rods and truck load of cement in Ibadan without collecting upfront payment.
Guess what, my client went behind back to get the contact details of my source.

What do you make of this sir? It goes both way.

I told my supplier to deliver it though but this action gave me true understanding of how cheap some clients can be.

________

In this same place, I’ve started a project N55m for a client who had only N3.5m in his account. He drives a N23m Benz
I moved in as much materials into the project just to impress him but had to move them back when I realize he’s playing games.

________

Just as Horlardorjah shared, no builder/contractor has the x-ray vision to know a client that’ll default or won’t. It’s a huge risk more especially on the contractor if things go south.

EgunMogaji2:
I refuse to believe that POP is the only way to go for ceiling in Nigeria.

I’ll like to see other materials that others have used recently.

Thanks.

What type of material is this......is it plyboard

Dijita:
Do we have anyone selling or designing curtains in this forum? If you do let me know. Thanks

Ikota Shopping Complex

bixton:


What type of material is this......is it plyboard

Yeah plywood boards. Something that’s readily available here.

Dominionng:


POP is not the only way to go ceiling in Nigeria, but it's definitely the most appealing out of the affordable ceiling alternatives(POP, suspended ceiling, "asbestos ceiling" and pvc ceiling) in the country. There is treated wood ceiling, flute panel ceiling, 3D ceiling and even flat insulated sheet rock ceiling like the 2nd pics you uploaded. These ceiling alternatives will conviniently rate 3 - 4 times the rate of POP precast ceiling.

What’s your rate for precast ceiling?

Horlardorjah:


I've got burnt twice with this mindset Sir. One even is a UK returnee with the thought they would be Better. We are still on it till now n I'm never gonna do that again

Sorry it didn’t work out for you Sir. It works out well for me.

Have a nice day.

n3xt:




Something that we’ve been trying to achieve without result...


Just recently, I did 28 tons of iron rods and truck load of cement in Ibadan without collecting upfront payment.
Guess what, my client went behind back to get the contact details of my source.

What do you make of this sir? It goes both way.

I told my supplier to deliver it though but this action gave me true understanding of how cheap some clients can be.

________

In this same place, I’ve started a project N55m for a client who had only N3.5m in his account. He drives a N23m Benz
I moved in as much materials into the project just to impress him but had to move them back when I realize he’s playing games.

________

Just as Horlardorjah shared, no builder/contractor has the x-ray vision to know a client that’ll default or won’t. It’s a huge risk more especially on the contractor if things go south.

Surprisingly, diasporas are the most dubious.

Dijita:


Yoruba say help me carry luggage can't become the luggage owner (gba ran mi o ki di eleru)

Kindly read @bixton message sir.

This is Nigeria! And I’m not really surprised anymore because even our locals (who hasn’t been to MMIA) do better than those who have travelled far and wide in managing workplace/construction project conflicts.

Assuming this allegation was leveled against some select target here, we know the number of pages that’ll be on this matter. By that time, gba ran mi maa di eleru

That’s why you see them use cheap blackmails and propagandas like APC to witch-hunt their presumed enemies.

Call them to prevail on simple Contractor/Client issue, they’re neither here or there. They don’t understand the power of simple dialogue in managing conflicts.

I love these guys though because they teach me how not to live my life.

Dominionng:


Surprisingly, diasporas are the most dubious.

There's no meeting point between one being dubious and that person being rich/wealthy.

Dominionng:


Surprisingly, diasporas are the most dubious.

You don minnit. Coming from
Dominionng - I give up.

If you no get money, don’t be a nuisance. We have too many of them already in the cyberspace.
_________

I recently told one guy “I’ll reduce you to your level.” He thought I’m joking. Well I’m waiting.
__________

The one I shared his story above is a BIG pastor in RCCG

Dominionng:


Surprisingly, diasporas are the most dubious.

Interestingly enough I get quite a bit of diaspora work and I’ve never had any cause for concern and really shouldn’t with my system.

We all have to do what best fits our experience.

bixton:


There's no meeting point between one being dubious and that person being rich/wealthy.

Right. It’s a character flaw.

Trump is allegedly a billionaire but it’s common industry knowledge that he loathes to pay bills, even small almost inconsequential ones.

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