So Jesus is coming back as a conquering warlord,and to destroy his enemies or any who won't accept him
That means he'll reenact the usual biblical style of warfare which includes genocides and rape.
So much for the "prince of peace"

CharisEleos:
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Those ones will be raised up on the last day of final judgement.

So, during the tribulation is when what you call the marriage feast of the lamb will take place, suggesting that the banquet hall spoken of by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 will only be shut temporarily?

According to Jesus Christ, He will come once for His bride - Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 - but you are saying here that He come- even if from the sky - twice for His bride - the first time being before what you call the "marriage feast of the lamb" and then again before the last day of final judgement.

calebbintus:

In the human heart of those concerned. So if your heart did not receive. You probably wait.

Of what use is this narrative to anyone other than the one who the heart belongs to?

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So, during the tribulation is when what you call the marriage feast of the lamb will take place, suggesting that the banquet hall spoken of by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 will only be shut temporarily?

Yes but not shut temporarily. I don't know how long it will last before he comes for the war.

According to Jesus Christ, He will come once for His bride - [b]Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 - but you are saying here that He come- even if from the sky - twice for His bride - the first time being before what you call the "marriage feast of the lamb" and then again before the last day of final judgement. [/b

I never said he'll come back for his bride twice. How those one's will rise is known to God. I'm not God.

Kobojunkie:
Wow...so, Jesus Christ will camp out in the skies for about 1000 years upon His "returns" from Heaven and until everything you have said is concluded?

Is that what I said? .

CharisEleos:

Yes but not shut temporarily. I don't know how long it will last before he comes for the war.

I never said he'll come back for hosting bride twice. How this one's will rise is known to God. I'm not God.

1. It would need to be shut temporarily if as you say the bridegroom will eventually leave for war.

2. Well,those who accept Jesus Christ are His bride in this, are they not? So, if the first batch of brides are raptured before the banquet, he also has to recieve the second batch of brides who you claim will be raised right before the judgement day, right?

CharisEleos:

Is that what I said? .

Pretty much!

He is not going to head back to Heaven again until after the millenial reign is He?

And He is not going to live on earth anytime during that period, is He?

Kobojunkie:
Of what use is this narrative to anyone other than the one who the heart belongs to?

Hmmm. Why are delicate organs of the body like heart kidney that keep the body going, within & unseen when you look in the mirror? Why does the Sun which is 1000 times bigger than earth & can contain a million earth in surface appear smaller than man when looking from below? Because the Creator is humble & like that. It is until men went up & saw that reverse is the case. The accurate assessment is the view from above of which the man is smaller. So a man looks up & think the above is smaller. The above looks down & the below is smaller. But only one is correct. In essence, unless you are ready to dig into your heart, you will not believe the one who says things that is own heart that he has dugged out. Nor will he believe books from people who have digged into their own hearts.

calebbintus:

Hmmm. Why are delicate organs of the body like heart kidney that keep the body going, within & unseen when you look in the mirror? Why does the Sun which is 1000 times bigger than earth & can contain a million earth in surface appear smaller than man when looking from below? Because the Creator is humble & like that. It is until men went up & saw that reverse is the case. The accurate assessment is the view from above of which the man is smaller. So a man looks up & think the above is smaller. The above looks down & the below is smaller. But only one is correct. In essence, unless you are ready to dig into your heart, you will not believe the one who says things that is own heart that he has dugged out. Nor will he believe books from people who have digged into their own hearts.

I didn't ask for a silly lecture... I asked a simple question of you. Again...

Kobojunkie:
Of what use is this narrative to anyone other than the one who the heart belongs to?

Kobojunkie:
1. It would need to be shut temporarily if as you say the bridegroom will eventually leave for war.

2. Well,those who accept Jesus Christ are His bride in this, are they not? So, if the first batch of brides are raptured before the banquet, he also has to recieve the second batch of brides who you claim will be raised right before the judgement day, right?

Stop putting words in my mouth. These are your assumptions, not what I or the bible mean.

Kobojunkie:
Pretty much!

He is not going to head back to Heaven again until after the millenial reign is He?

And He is not going to live on earth anytime during that period, is He?

He's going back to heaven after the Millennia reign for the final judgement. Kobojunkie read well and stop taking me back to what I've already said.

calebbintus:


How does being in wilderness & leaving the world correlate? Do you know what it means to leave the earth? Isrealites where the Set Apart People in the whole world then. With so many viscious enemies, went to captivity etc You know nothing with your wisdom of doom.

When someone keeps quoting up and down, I know they have nothing meaningful nor iota of spiritual knowledge of things to divulged. Get wisdom, get understanding! I'm sure you don't know, Knowledge is progressive. And The Spirit of the Father that reveals, do so at the necessary and appointed times, so it was not mistaken that Apostle Paul nor the Apostles never mentioned anything about the Rapture. Even The LORD didn't, He says no one knows the time except God The Father. And now those times have come and the events to follow suits are being revealed clearer. Seek knowledge and get Wisdom.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't ask for a silly lecture... I asked a simple question of you. Again...

Hmm..The lecture is the answer. When your heart is ready, it understands patience & not aggression.

CharisEleos:

Stop putting words in my mouth. These are your assumptions, not what I or the bible mean.
He's going back to heaven after the Millennia reign for the final judgement. Kobojunkie read well and stop takinge back to what I've already said.

1. Did you not declare that your Marriage feast of the lamb takes places during the tribulation and that afterwards Jesus Christ will head out for war?

2. Did you not say that even after the rapture that people will be able to accept Jesus Christ?

3. Did you not say that those who accept Jesus Christ after the "first" rapture will be raised before for the Judgment day?

calebbintus:
Hmm..The lecture is the answer. When your heart is ready, it understands patience & not aggression.

I am sorry but your lecture there contains no meaningful answers that I can glean.

God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - I hope you at last accept the Words of God Himself- , that cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man(including the were of another man)... if all you have to offer here is that which you pull from your "heart", I ask again, of what good is that to me?

Nephilim:
When someone keeps quoting up and down, I know they have nothing meaningful nor iota of spiritual knowledge of things to divulged. Get wisdom, get understanding! I'm sure you don't know, Knowledge is progressive. And The Spirit of the Father that reveals, do so at the necessary and appointed times, so it was not mistaken that Apostle Paul nor the Apostles never mentioned anything about the Rapture. Even The LORD didn't, He says no one knows the time except God The Father. And now those times have come and the events to follow suits are being revealed clearer. Seek knowledge and get Wisdom.

Are you aware of the prophecy of Enoch, (7th from Adam) that condemned you all & hence the book from which Jude quoted from in Jude:14 was removed? If you've ever sought wisdom Jesus and disobedience to the Sabbath:Christianity would not have caught you. The evil spirits you all have thinking its Holy spirit.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but your lecture there contains no meaningful answers that I can glean.

God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - I hope you at last accept the Words of God Himself- , that cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man(including the were of another man)... if all you have to offer here is that which you pull from your "heart", I ask again, of what good is that to me?

Okay thank you. The real question is what did Paul do to warrant salvation or God appearing to him. What separated Paul from all other Pharisees that all others perished? Why was he chosen? Paul & the whole gentile vision started with a Vision "He said O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the Heavenly Vision" If he had disobeyed the vision you won't have the written words today. Now those who have the visions have shown in clear terms that Christianity is a ruse. That Jesus is not accepted by Messianics in Isreal, they've shown that it was men that cancelled the Sabbath thereby breaking the 4th Commandment of God (Of the 10commandments). This same vision made us realise only one name can save: Yeshua in ACTS 4:12, and that name was changed to Jesus so men can never attain salvation. That is what we call creating a stumbling block before people like Balaam did. The Name was so specific & special that Angels brought it from Heaven and told the Mother & Father separately in Luke 1, Matt 1:21. so there will be No Ambiguity. And it is by name you can access a spiritual being. But if a heart as not been searching for the truth nor is interested in the truth, He or she will not believe & will be carried away by all the False Pastors & multitude shouting Jesus on Sunday: Thinking they are saved. If you will get a bible. Get a English Jewish Bible. It is Yeshua that is there. If you will follow a Religion: Follow the Messianic movement in Isreal. And if you are like those who can trust their heart: you follow your heart. But all leads to Yeshua & the Messianics

calebbintus:

Okay thank you. The real question is what did Paul do to warrant salvation or God appearing to him. What separated Paul from all other Pharisees that all others perished? Why was he chosen? Paul & the whole gentile vision started with a Vision "He said O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the Heavenly Vision" If he had disobeyed the vision you won't have the written words today. Now those who have the visions have shown in clear terms that Christianity is a ruse. That Jesus is not accepted by Messianics in Isreal, they've shown that it was men that cancelled the Sabbath thereby breaking the 4th Commandment of God (Of the 10commandments). This same vision made us realise only one name can save: Yeshua in ACTS 4:12, and that name was changed to Jesus so men can never attain salvation. That is what we call creating a stumbling block before people like Balaam did. The Name was so specific & special that Angels brought it from Heaven and told the Mother & Father separately in Luke 1, Matt 1:21. so there will be No Ambiguity. And it is by name you can access a spiritual being. But if a heart as not been searching for the truth nor is interested in the truth, He or she will not believe & will be carried away by all the False Pastors & multitude shouting Jesus on Sunday: Thinking they are saved. If you will get a bible. Get a English Jewish Bible. It is Yeshua that is there. If you will follow a Religion: Follow the Messianic movement in Isreal. And if you are like those who can trust their heart: you follow your heart. But all leads to Yeshua & the Messianics

Again... you are refusing to answer the question posed you...

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but your lecture there contains no meaningful answers that I can glean.

God said in Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - I hope you at last accept the Words of God Himself- , that cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man(including the were of another man)... if all you have to offer here is that which you pull from your "heart", I ask again, of what good is that to me?

Kobojunkie:
1. Did you not declare that your Marriage feast of the lamb takes places during the tribulation and that afterwards Jesus Christ will head out for war?

2. Did you not say that even after the rapture that people will be able to accept Jesus Christ?

3. Did you not say that those who accept Jesus Christ after the "first" rapture will be raised before for the Judgment day?

Ok?
What's wrong with that?

You're just trying to twist the whole thing.

CharisEleos:

Ok?
What's wrong with that?
You're just trying to twist the whole thing.

1. So, since the marriage feast of the lamb occurs before the war, would the bridegroom not then have to leave after the marriage for war implying that the door to the banquet hall is not permanently shut?

2. As we are taught by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 1-13 - those who belong to Him are brides that are invited to the wedding feast, is this not so?

3. Now according to you, some of His brides will miss the marriage feast of the lamb but will instead proceed to Heaven where you claim the judgement will happen , and I asked how will they be received up to Heaven?

Kobojunkie:
1. So, since the marriage feast of the lamb occurs before the war, would the bridegroom not then have to leave after the marriage for war implying that the door to the banquet hall is not permanently shut?

2. As we are taught by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 1-13 - those who belong to Him are brides that are invited to the wedding feast, is this not so?

3. Now according to you, some of His brides will miss the marriage feast of the lamb but will instead proceed to Heaven where you claim the judgement will happen , and I asked how will they be received up to Heaven?

Ah!
Go back and read my posts again for better understanding.

When they say shut,, it doesn't mean literal "shutting up" what it means is that, those who are not prepared to meet Christ ( without oil) will not be rapturable to be at the feast ( shut out of the feast) not literal door shutting.

CharisEleos:

Ah!
Go back and read my posts again for better understanding.

When they say shut,, it doesn't mean literal "shutting up" what it means is that, those who are not prepared to meet Christ ( without oil) will not be rapturable to be at the feast ( shut out of the feast) not literal door shutting.

Wait a second....

10 “So the foolish girls went to buy oil. While they were gone, the bridegroom came. The girls who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
11 “Later, the other girls came. They said, ‘Sir, sir! Open the door to let us in.’
12 “But the bridegroom answered, ‘Certainly not! I don’t even know you.’
13 “So always be ready. You don’t know the day or the time when the Son of Man will come. - Matthew 25 vs 10 - 13

Rexall that I already told you to stop trying to explain Jesus Christ's parable but instead focus on explaining your narrative?

The reason is your narrative does not fit any of what Jesus Christ says and I am trying to get your help in understanding exactly where your story goes.

Kobojunkie:
Wait a second....

Rexall that I already told you to stop trying to explain Jesus Christ's parable but instead focus on explaining your narrative?

The reason is your narrative does not fit any of what Jesus Christ says and I am trying to get your help in understanding exactly where your story goes.

Ok.

CharisEleos:

Ok.

Maybe you can point to where you get these ideas from scripture

1. Where does your belief that that there will be two sets of brides for Jesus Christ come from?

2. Where does this idea that Jesus Christ will be war after what you call the marriage feast of the lamb come from?

3. Where does your belief that Jesus Christ will be on earth for 1000 years, after which He then returns to Heaven for final judgement, come from?

Kobojunkie:
Maybe you can point to where you get these ideas from scripture

1. Where does your belief that that there will be two sets of brides for Jesus Christ come from?

2. Where does this idea that Jesus Christ will be war after what you call the marriage feast of the lamb come from?

3. Where does your belief that Jesus Christ will be on earth for 1000 years, after which He then returns to Heaven for final judgement, come from?

HERE

Revelation 20:1-6
New International Version
The Thousand Years
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven,(A) having the key(B) to the Abyss(C) and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan,(D) and bound him for a thousand years.(E) 3 He threw him into the Abyss,(F) and locked and sealed(G) it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations(H) anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

This answers your initial question about this who will be killed during the great tribulation for not accepting the Antichrist.

4 I

saw thrones(I) on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.(J) And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded(K) because of their testimony about Jesus(L) and because of the word of God.(M) They[a] had not worshiped the beast(N) or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(O) They came to life and reigned(P) with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.(Q) 6 Blessed(R) and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death(S) has no power over them, but they will be priests(T) of God and of Christ and will reign with him(U) for a thousand years.

Kobojunkie, you argue too much and I've told you it's not good. Huh!

CharisEleos:

This answers your initial question about this who will be killed during the great tribulation for not accepting the Antichrist.
Kobojunkie, you argue too much and I've told you it's not good. Huh!

I am afraid the verses dont answer any of questions. Maybe I should take it one at a time so we can be more focused here.

1. Where does your belief that that there will be two sets of brides for Jesus Christ come from?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid the verses dont answer any of questions. Maybe I should take it one at a time so we can be more focused here.

1. Where does your belief that that there will be two sets of brides for Jesus Christ come from?

You mentioned two brides, I never did. So look for your missing bride. lol .
. everything you need to know is contained in the Bible passage I just sent you.

CharisEleos:

You mentioned two brides, I never did. So look for your missing bride. lol .
. everything you need to know is contained in the Bible passage I just sent you.

Recall, In Matthew 25 vs 1- 13, those who believe in Jesus Christ are considered brides and He the groom.

Now from your very first response, you claimed they a first set will be raptured when Jesus Christ shows up, and then you suggested that those who accept Jesus Christ after the first had already been taken up the second set if brides, will be taken right before the final judgement.

The bible passages you posted said nothing of the above claims you made.

Kobojunkie:
Recall, In Matthew 25 vs 1- 13, those who believe in Jesus Christ are considered brides and He the groom.

Now from your very first response, you claimed they a first set will be raptured when Jesus Christ shows up, and then you suggested that those who accept Jesus Christ after the first had already been taken up the second set if brides, will be taken right before the final judgement.

The bible passages you posted said nothing of the above claims you made.

The second paragraph of the bible passage speaks of the "second set" go and read it very well.

CharisEleos:

The second paragraph of the bible passage speaks of the "second set" go and read it very well.

You would need to explain it to me because I do not see what you see.

Kobojunkie:
You would need to explain it to me because I do not see what you see.

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

Here. Kobojunkie.

CharisEleos:

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

Here. Kobojunkie.

These are the first set who you claim will go to the marriage feast of the lamb, right?

So where does it say they will be raptured?

Kobojunkie:
These are the first set who you claim will go to the marriage feast of the lamb, right?

So where does it say they will be raptured?

Nope. They are not. The first will not encounter the beast. So it's the second set.. besides I never told you they are going to be raptured. I said they will go to heaven at the final stage.