CharisEleos:

Nope. They are not. The first will not encounter the beast. So it's the second set.. besides I never told you they are going to be raptured. I said they will go to heaven at the final stage.

What do you mean by " the first will not encounter the beast"?

Did you mean it is the second set that will be at what you described as the marriage feast of the lamb?

When will the rapture happen? Before or after the 1000 years reign spoken of in the passage you presented?

Who are those who will go to Heaven at the last stage and what is the difference between this and the rapture?

Kobojunkie:


What do you mean by " the first will not encounter the beast"?

Did you mean it is the second set that will be at what you described as the marriage feast of the lamb?

When will the rapture happen? Before or after the 1000 years reign spoken of in the passage you presented?

Who are those who will go to Heaven at the last stage and what is the difference between this and the rapture?

Kobojunkie, I've answered all these questions you're posing again.

Ga ra ura ki nwete owengi. O?

CharisEleos:

Kobojunkie, I've answered all these questions you're posing again.

Ga ra ura ki nwete owengi. O?

Again, I keep telling you that I dont see what you see. I dont believe in the rapture doctrines so do not expect me to be able to read your mind in these things.

What do you mean by " the first will not encounter the beast"?

Kobojunkie:
Again, I keep telling you that I dont see what you see. I dont believe in the rapture doctrines so do not expect me to be able to read your mind in these things.

What do you mean by " the first will not encounter the beast"?

It was you who gave it first and second sets. So I said the first set ( those who will be at the marriage feast) will not encounter the the great tribulation where the beast and Antichrist will spring up.

CharisEleos:

It was you who gave it first and second sets. So I said the first set ( those who will be at the marriage feast) will not encounter the the great tribulation where the beast and Antichrist will spring up.

Ok. So the first set, will be at the marriage feast but they will not encounter the beast and Antichrist. Ok.

When will the rapture happen? Before or after the 1000 years reign?

Kobojunkie:
Ok. So the first set, will be at the marriage feast but they will not encounter the beast and Antichrist. Ok.

When will the rapture happen? Before or after the 1000 years reign?

I already lined out how the events will occur.

Rapture/ marriage feast
Great tribulation
Amagheddon to end tribulation
Millennial reign.

CharisEleos:

I already lined out how the events will occur.
Rapture/ marriage feast
Great tribulation
Amagheddon to end tribulation
Millennial reign.

Ok but earlier, you claimed that the first set of brides will not be raptured though.

CharisEleos:

Nope. They are not. The first will not encounter the beast. So it's the second set.. besides I never told you they are going to be raptured. I said they will go to heaven at the final stage.

And according to the passage you posted before, the first set are those who did not now the beast and its image, which I am guessing is the antichrist.

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

Kobojunkie:
Ok but earlier, you claimed that the first set of brides will not be raptured though.

And according to the passage you posted before, the first set are those who did not now the beast and its image, which I am guessing is the antichrist.

The last bolded seems to be referring to the saints after the rapture. I was a bit confused initially due to the end of that passage that says the rest of the dead did not rise to be with Christ but I think it's clearer now.

I once taught this topic in Sunday school but it's been long that's why I kept mixing up the events.

I think they too ( the second set) will rise to reign with Christ in the one thousand years and not on judgement day like I earlier said.
Sorry for the mix up, dear

CharisEleos:

The last bolded seems to be referring to the saints after the rapture. I was a bit confused initially due to the end of that passage that says the rest of the dead did not ride to be with him but u think it's clearer now.

I once taught this topic in Sunday but it's been long that's why I kept mixing up the events.

I think they'll rise to reign with Christ the one thousand years and not on judgement day like I earlier said.
Sorry for the up, dear

Huh?

1. So where the first set of brides raptured or not raptured?

2. Did the first set of brides meet with the Beast and His image as it does claim in the passage you posted?

3. According to the passage the first set will be raised from the dead, are you saying that is not part of the rapture you speak of?

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

1. So where the first set of brides raptured or not raptured?

2. Did the first set of brides meet with the Beast and His image as it does claim in the passage you posted?

3. According to the passage the first set will be raised from the dead, are you saying that is not part of the rapture you speak of?

Kobojunkie.... Go... and.... sleep. Ok?

CharisEleos:



Kobojunkie.... Go... and.... sleep. Ok?

Its 3:29 PM here..dont worry about me and answer the question abeg!

Kobojunkie:
Its 3:29 PM here..dont worry about me and answer the question abeg!

I've answered you!
You are now repeating the questions all over again.

If it's afternoon over there, then go and take a nap!

Huh!

CharisEleos:

I've answered you!
You are now repeating the questions all over again.

If it's afternoon over there, then go and take a nap!

Huh!

If you open your eyes, you would that it isn't that I am repeating the questions but that you have yet to in fact answer them.

1. So were the first set of brides raptured or not raptured?

2. Did the first set of brides meet with the Beast and his image as it does claim in the passage you posted?

CharisEleos:


The last bolded seems to be referring to the saints after the rapture. I was a bit confused initially due to the end of that passage that says the rest of the dead did not rise to be with Christ but I think it's clearer now.

I once taught this topic in Sunday school but it's been long that's why I kept mixing up the events.

I think they too ( the second set) will rise to reign with Christ in the one thousand years and not on judgement day like I earlier said.
Sorry for the mix up, dear

Those killed in the Tribulation will not be in the millennial Reign, they will be there in the heaven till the consummation of the whole thing and a new heaven and earth be formed.

Kobojunkie:
If you open your eyes, you would that it isn't that I am repeating the questions but that you have yet to in fact answer them.

1. So were the first set of brides raptured or not raptured?

2. Did the first set of brides meet with the Beast and his image as it does claim in the passage you posted?

Yes they were raptured.

No they didn't meat with the beast.

You will still ask again.

Nephilim:
Those killed in the Tribulation will not be in the millennial Reign, they will be there in the heaven till the consummation of the whole thing and a new heaven and earth be formed.

Who then was this referring to if you say they will not reign with Jesus in the new heaven and Earth.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)"

The raptured saints were not beheaded now.

CharisEleos:

Yes they were raptured.
No they didn't meat with the beast.
You will still ask again.

Alright! Next question then.

1. Is it during during that Beast and the antichrist will appear?

2. . the passage you posted earlier states that the first set did in fact meet with the Beast and the antichrist(its image).

Then I saw some thrones and people sitting on them. These were the ones who had been given the power to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been killed because they were faithful to the truth of Jesus and the message from God. They did not worship the beast or its idol. They did not receive the mark of the beast on their foreheads or on their hands. They came back to life and ruled with Christ for 1000 years. (The rest of the dead did not live again until the 1000 years were ended.)This is the first resurrection.

6 Great blessings belong to those who share in this first resurrection. They are God’s holy people. The second death has no power over them. They will be priests for God and for Christ. They will rule with him for 1000 years. - Revelation 20 vs 4 - 6

And it says so right there that the one who met the beast and its image are indeed the first resurrected. So why do you believe otherwise?

CharisEleos:

Who then was this referring to if you say they will not reign with Jesus in the new heaven and Earth.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)"

The raptured saints were not beheaded now.

1. Is it not during the tribulation that the rapture doctrine claims the Beast and the antichrist will both show up?

2. The passage there says that the Beast and antichrist show up even before the first resurrection though, so doesn't that imply that whatever you call tribulation happens before the first resurrection even takes places?

Kobojunkie:
Alright! Next question then.

1. Is it during during that Beast and the antichrist will appear?

2. . the passage you posted earlier states that the first set did in fact meet with the Beast and the antichrist(its image).
And it says so right there that the one who met the beast and its image are indeed the first resurrected. So why do you believe otherwise?

You're not getting it.

Calm down and study it very well.

The resurrection here is not the same as the rapture.

Kobojunkie:
1. Is it not during the tribulation that the rapture doctrine claims the Beast and the antichrist will both show up?

2. The passage there says that the Beast and antichrist show up even before the first resurrection though, so doesn't that imply that whatever you call tribulation happens before the first resurrection even takes places?

You're mixing things up here.

CharisEleos:

You're not getting it.
Calm down and study it very well.
The resurrection here is not the same as the rapture.

1. You said the first set were raptured, so when were they raptured also would be nice to know what rapture means.

2. Am I to understand that the beast and the antichrist show up during the tribulation and not before it or after it, right?

2. Revelations 20 vs 4 - 6 states that the first set already met with the Beast and antichrist, before their deaths, so does this not mean that they were alive during the tribulation?

CharisEleos:

You're mixing things up here.

Mixing what up exactly?

Nephilim:
Those killed in the Tribulation will not be in the millennial Reign, they will be there in the heaven till the consummation of the whole thing and a new heaven and earth be formed.

According to John, whose dream/vision this was in Revelation 20 vs 4 - 6, those who were in the millenial reign with Jesus Christ were those who were killed off refusing to bow to the beast and his image.

These were the ones who had been given the power to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been killed because they were faithful to the truth of Jesus and the message from God. They did not worship the beast or its idol. They did not receive the mark of the beast on their foreheads or on their hands. They came back to life and ruled with Christ for 1000 years. (The rest of the dead did not live again until the 1000 years were ended.)This is the first resurrection.
6 Great blessings belong to those who share in this first resurrection. They are God’s holy people. The second death has no power over them. They will be priests for God and for Christ. They will rule with him for 1000 years. - Revelation 20 vs 4 - 6

So, is there another reference for your claim

BelovedCityWatch:

The next agenda on God's timetable is The Rapture! After The Rapture comes The Revival. You see, Revival doesn't come when Jesus is just part of the equation, it comes when Only Jesus is the Equation! After the Rapture nothing else will matters, your job, your business, your money even your family, nothing will matter, Only Jesus will matter and this will help prepare, perfect and empower the hearts and vessels that will carry the fire for the great revival and this will happen all over the world, that's why the scripture says and these gospel will be preached all over the earth as a witness Matthew 24:14, these people will be unstoppable, they will move in great power, convert millions of people to Christ.

CharisEleos, even the OP concludes that the rapture takes place next. Only He seems to believe that those first raised are those who were killed after the rapture, not before.

Kobojunkie:
CharisEleos, even the OP concludes that the rapture takes place next. Only He seems to believe that those first raised are those who were killed after the rapture, not before.

Ok, Sir.

I'm in Sunday school now.
You mind joining me in church?

CharisEleos:


Ok, Sir.

I'm in Sunday school now.
You mind joining me in church?

Focus on your Sunday school..why you distracting yourself...

CharisEleos:

Ok, Sir.

I'm in Sunday school now.
You mind joining me in church?

Hell no! I am not looking to canceling the first class ticket I already have to Heaven by visiting a house of lies pretending I do so in the name of God.. I would rather go clubbing instead to save my soul.

CharisEleos:


Who then was this referring to if you say they will not reign with Jesus in the new heaven and Earth.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.(They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)"

The raptured saints were not beheaded now.

cc:Kobojunkie
Okay..That's true. Of course they will Reign with Christ in the new heaven and new earth which is after the millennial Reign, but I'm trying to infer to something differently. Which is during the millennial Reign they won't have much affiliation with the earth because of their new body.

Nephilim:

cc:Kobojunkie
Okay..That's true. Of course they will Reign with Christ in the new heaven and new earth which is after the millennial Reign, but I'm trying to infer to something differently. Which is during the millennial Reign they won't have much affiliation with the earth because of their new body.

1. What new Heaven and Earth after the millenial?

Revelations 20 vs 4 - 6 says that the first set to be raised from the dead will reign with Jesus Christ during the 1000 years, not after.

These were the ones who had been given the power to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been killed because they were faithful to the truth of Jesus and the message from God. They did not worship the beast or its idol. They did not receive the mark of the beast on their foreheads or on their hands. They came back to life and ruled with Christ for 1000 years. (The rest of the dead did not live again until the 1000 years were ended.)This is the first resurrection.
6 Great blessings belong to those who share in this first resurrection. They are God’s holy people. The second death has no power over them. They will be priests for God and for Christ. They will rule with him for 1000 years. - Revelation 20 vs 4 - 6

The passage says nothing about whether they have a body or not.

Kobojunkie:
Hell no! I am not looking to canceling the first class ticket I already have to Heaven by visiting a house of lies pretending I do so in the name of God.. I would rather go clubbing instead to save my soul.

You would rather go clubbing?? Your soul is still panting after the things of this world. Please, renew your mind.

There are things that shouldn't spring forth from your heart through your mouth if you're truly a first class citizen of heaven.

Shalom.

lilvicky68:

Focus on your Sunday school..why you distracting yourself...

I wasn't being distracted. We had not even started then that was why I was able to post.

CharisEleos:
You would rather go clubbing?? Your soul is still panting after the things of this world. Please, renew your mind.

There are things that shouldn't spring forth from your heart through your mouth if you're truly a first class citizen of heaven..

Clubs aren't the things of the world Jesus Christ warned you against.... oh no. Your clubs are social clubs just like your churches are only there you don't get fed the doctrines and traditions of men in the name of God.

That which is stored up in your heart is what Jesus Christ warned you about. That is what He told you causes you to sin... the lies you imbibe through the doctrines and traditions of men which deceive you away from the Truth of God is the world He world you to stay away from.