patrickmuf:
Gerard cemented his legend status in that night in Istanbul...

Just one night shey? Gerrard scored just one goal in the match. That's one UCL. Zero league, zero trophy for NT.

Now compare to Real gods like Iniesta, Xavi, Kross, Pirlo. Multiple UCL winners and WC

patrickmuf:
Gerard cemented his legend status in that night in Istanbul...

Because the likes of dudek and alonso were boiling beans on the field right?

FirstbornWds:


Kaka wasn't consistent. Maybe if Zidane wasn't more of the 90s part, he definitely would be tops.

This century started in 2000. Yes, Zidane won Euro, UCL, La liga and WC finalist with multiple Balon d or this century. Yes, Zidane is a god in this century.

Kaka won UCL, WC and Balon d or this century. He's right above Lampard and Gerrard

Debroslink:


Just one night shey? Dude scored just one goal in the match. That's one UCL. Zero league, zero trophy for NT.

Now compare to Real gods like Iniesta, Xavi, Kross, Pirlo. Multiple UCL winners and WC

We are not comparing teams but players...I am dead sure before the COPA win, you already believed Messi was the greatest even though Pele and Maradona have the their respective world cup medals in their cabinet...I do not rate players based on trophies but based on their individual abilities and that's why I don't agree when you attempt to talk down on Scholes, Gerard and Lampard just cos they don't play football in a certain way...

patrickmuf:
Who are the world class players that surrounded Gerard in Liverpool and England compared to those you're comparing him to?

Let me watch you mention Lampard, Scholes and the likes you like trashing often...

Mascherano, alonso, J.carragher, F.Torres, Suarez, Kuyt......man Gerard played with world class players in that Liverpool, you probably started watching football after barce won the 2015 Ucl

devvy44:


Because the likes of dudek and alonso were boiling beans on the field right?

Learn how to chat respectfully...

devvy44:


Mascherano, alonso, J.carragher, F.Torres, Suarez, Kuyt......man Gerard played with world class players in that Liverpool, you probably started watching football after barce won the 2015 Ucl

Carragher world class? He wasn't...

Mascherano, Alonso, Torres were world class as was Suarez who joined after Torres had left...

You can't compare the players Gerard played with with those of Real Madrid, Barcelona or even Manchester United...

patrickmuf:
We are not comparing teams but players...I am dead sure before the COPA win, you already believed Messi was the greatest even though Pele and Maradona have the their respective world cup medals in their cabinet...I do not rate players based on trophies but based on their individual abilities and that's why I don't agree when you attempt to talk down on Scholes, Gerard and Lampard just cos they don't play football in a certain way...

Messi not winning a trophy for his NT was a stigma in his career and we all knew this. If he had retired without winning a trophy, many people would place him below Ororo.

Lampard and Gerrard won just one UCL each. Gerrard has zero league title. Both didn't achieve anything for their country. How can you place them with Kaka, Pirlo Xavi, Iniesta and Kross?

What exactly did Gerrard do that Totti didn't do better? Or is it Schweinstiger or even Xabi Alonso?

Debroslink:


Messi not winning a trophy for his NT was a stigma in his career and we all knew this. If he had retired without winning a trophy, many people would place him below Ororo.

Lampard and Gerrard won just one UCL each. Gerrard has zero league title. Both didn't achieve anything for their country. How can you place them with Kaka, Pirlo Xavi, Iniesta and Kross?

What exactly did Gerrard do that Totti didn't do better? Or is it Schweinstiger or even Xabi Alonso?

You're the one trying to slander Gerard so, asking me what he did that others didn't do is akin to you turning the table around...My argument has always been that Gerard, Lampard and Scholes are deserving of any accolades they get just as the others you listed...

Talking about national team trophies, even with the Copa America win, aren't they folks who still undermine the achievements of Messi? It is what it is...

patrickmuf:
Carragher world class? He wasn't...

Mascherano, Alonso, Torres were world class as was Suarez who joined after Torres had left...

You can't compare the players Gerard played with with those of Real Madrid, Barcelona or even Manchester United...

List the world class players aside old Batistuta that played with Totti when he dragged them to the league title in the presence of Juventus, Milan and Inter.

Gerrard was surrounded by World class players, yet he couldn't win the league.

patrickmuf:
You're the one trying to slander Gerard so, asking me what he did that others didn't do is akin to you turning the table around...My argument has always been that Gerard, Lampard and Scholes are deserving of any accolades they get just as the others you listed...

Talking about national team trophies, even with the Copa America win, aren't they folks who still undermine the achievements of Messi? It is what it is...

Yet, you are the one acknowledging Gerrard as a god of midfield. A player who never won any league title and didn't make his nation proud.

patrickmuf:
Carragher world class? He wasn't...

Mascherano, Alonso, Torres were world class as was Suarez who joined after Torres had left...

You can't compare the players Gerard played with with those of Real Madrid, Barcelona or even Manchester United...

Liverpool got to 2 Ucl finals between 2005 & 2007, Made the semis 2009 yet you say they don’t have world class players?

Where was Madrid when Liverpool did this?

Liverpool had the title right in front of them before the same Gerard slipped and allowed demba ba score and Liverpool eventually went on to lose the title

Debroslink:


Yet, you are the one acknowledging Gerrard as a god of midfield. A player who never won any league title and didn't make his nation proud.

He finished 3rd on the Balon d'or podium and Lampard finished 2nd...Is that not an individual award?

I only said you were wrong to class them below their peers, don't misquote or misrepresent my opinion...

devvy44:


Liverpool got to 2 Ucl finals between 2005 & 2007, Made the semis 2009 yet you say they don’t have world class players?

Where was Madrid when Liverpool did this?

Liverpool had the title right in front of them before the same Gerard slipped and allowed demba ba score and Liverpool eventually went on to lose the title

How can we forget that day?

Same as giving a back pass to Henry in dying minutes at Euro 2004 to give England a big loss in the match.

devvy44:


Liverpool got to 2 Ucl finals between 2005 & 2007, Made the semis 2009 yet you say they don’t have world class players?

Where was Madrid when Liverpool did this?

Liverpool had the title right in front of them before the same Gerard slipped and allowed demba ba score and Liverpool eventually went on to lose the title

How many world class players did Chelsea have in that team when they won the UCL this past season?

Gerard would've won more had he left Liverpool, you guys should stop using team trophies to rate players, watch them play and make what you will of them...

Debroslink:


How can we forget that day?

Same as giving a back pass to Henry in dying minutes at Euro 2004 to give England a big loss in the match.

Most top players have had their down moments too...You don't want us to start listing them...Schweinsteiger,Messi, Zidane etc...

patrickmuf:
He finished 3rd on the Balon d'or podium and Lampard finished 2nd...Is that not an individual award?

I only said you were wrong to class them below their peers, don't misquote or misrepresent my opinion...

Which year did this miracle happen?

patrickmuf:
He finished 3rd on the Balon d'or podium and Lampard finished 2nd...Is that not an individual award?

I only said you were wrong to class them below their peers, don't misquote or misrepresent my opinion...

So because they entered top 3, they are gods? This is the scam we are talking about. Hype hype hype.

Didn't Owen win Balon d or? That should tell you something.

patrickmuf:
Most top players have had their down moments too...You don't want us to start listing them...Schweinsteiger,Messi, Zidane etc...

Yet Schweinsteiger and Zidane were placed below Lampard and Gerrard. E tire me o.

devvy44:


Which year did this miracle happen?

2005...

Debroslink:


So because they entered top 3, they are gods? This is the scam we are talking about. Hype hype hype.

Didn't Owen win Balon d or? That should tell you something.

Gerard has never been on the balon d’or podium

devvy44:


Gerard has never been on the balon d’or podium

He was

Debroslink:


Yet Schweinsteiger and Zidane were placed below Lampard and Gerrard. E tire me o.

By who?

patrickmuf:
2005...

Dinho, Lampard, Eto’o

Gerard never got to the balon d’or podium

Debroslink:


So because they entered top 3, they are gods? This is the scam we are talking about. Hype hype hype.

Didn't Owen win Balon d or? That should tell you something.

You are just turning tables...You said Gerard, Scholes and Lampard are overrated, I said they aren't and should be respected for what they achieved but somehow, you have changed what I said to mean that they're gods...

Debroslink:


He was

He was never there.

devvy44:


Dinho, Lampard, Eto’o

Gerard never got to the balon d’or podium

Coming from someone who said I started watching football in 2015...

Go get your facts right before you come here to debate...

patrickmuf:
You are just turning tables...You said Gerard, Scholes and Lampard are overrated, I said they aren't and should be respected for what they achieved but somehow, you have changed what I said to mean that they're gods...

No vex. I'm reacting to the pictures posted by FirstbornWds.

devvy44:


He was never there.

He was there in 2005 after the instanbul night.

patrickmuf:
Coming from someone who said I started watching football in 2015...

Go get your facts right before you come here to debate...

You argue too much, and yes you started watching football 2015

Rest

devvy44:


You argue too much, and yes you started watching football 2015

Rest

Ronaldinho
Lampard
Gerrard . Do your research

Payporte:

Ronaldinho
Lampard
Gerrard . Do your research

Leave him alone, let him keep arguing with himself.