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Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:16am On Jul 29, 2021 |
ejimatic: I see sense here 1 Like |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:20am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: Yes,they will have a candidate.it is not cast in stone that the nomination form must be signed in a particular manner.it is just inec rules which is not constitutional and can be curbed by the signature of the secretary.from the electoral act,once a candidate emerges from a primary and a party sends the name,every other thing is formalities whether inec rejects or not |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 12:32am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:Nomination/Sponsorship letter are compulsorily signed by the National Chairman and National Secretary...without which INEC won't touch it. The secretary has his own Column. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 12:36am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:They have no candidate.... Supreme Court has averred INEC's right to uphold its laws. (I am quoting you now); See Zamfara v APC. The ability of INEC only accepting candidates from the NWC is based on INEC laws. The letter goes along with the name and is co-signed. Is the bolded saying once the name is sent, INEC's rejection has no validity? The Sponsorship letter is what encapsulates the Signature. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Penguin2: 12:37am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1: Prepare for APC not having candidates nationwide in 2023. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Indispensable85(m): 12:39am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: Lol.......... your last sentence though. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 12:41am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Indispensable85:That's the truth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Penguin2: 12:42am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: For me, the only advantage Tambuwal has over Atiku is just age. Aside age, what else is Tambuwal bringing to the table? Dude has been governor of Sokoto since 2015 with nothing spectacular to show. I’d even prefer a Sule Lamido and Kwankwaso over Tambuwal. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:42am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Penguin2: Funny.so you know pdp cannot win any elections with apc in iy |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:43am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: Is it covered by the electoral act? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 12:44am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Penguin2:The problem is money. PDP, as a Party, don't have money to run an election. Wike knows that and Atiku knows that. Tambuwal, Lamido & Kwankwaso can't sail been from the same NW-region as Buhari. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:47am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: Inec does not have the power to disqualify,reject or exclude except on constitutional basis or from a court order.the same supreme court has stated that disobedience to inec law/guidelines is not fatal.inec powers are clrlearly defined and except you provide where inec can reject a nomination form on non signing,it cannot hold water. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Penguin2: 12:49am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: I hope this time PDP legal team will file the processes rightly. APC ceased to exist the day it went against its own constitution to appoint governor Buni as Acting Chairman while its constitution states that the chairman must not hold another office. To make matters worse, the person here is a sitting Governor who is constitutionally barred from holding another office. Except legal abracadabra happens at the courts, when properly challenged, everything APC has done since Buni took over is null and void. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Penguin2: 12:52am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1: Yes! So I hope you are getting ready for the disaster that will befall APC. 2023 will be an easy ride for PDP because evil APC will be without candidates. 1 Like |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:58am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Penguin2: Take am easy oh.your very funny.with you challenge it for pdp? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 12:59am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Penguin2: You are funny.how will they be without candidates when buni will no longer be chairman by then? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 1:08am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:Who is talking about disqualifying Uba? He will participate but knows his foundation get k-leg. The same Supreme Court has stated that disobedience to inec law/guidelines is not fatal.This is very untrue. Infact, it is the brutal nature of INEC laws that cost APC in Zamfara. INEC deriving its powers from Sections 85(1) of the Electoral Act and 222 of the Constitution have stated explicitly who should submit and sign the sponsorship letter for candidate(s). The SC in Zamfara, said INEC is bound by its laws. The singular reason Zamfara fell at first. Unless the Supreme Court says otherwise, it stands. INEC powers are clearly defined and except you provide where INEC can reject a nomination form on non signing,it cannot hold water.The SC has stated more than once, that an unsigned document is worthless and of no value. a)Every political party shall submit the list of the candidates the party proposes to sponsor in Form CF 002 duly signed by the National Chairman and National Secretary of the Political Party. This was sent to the NWC of all Political Parties after their Primaries. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by Penguin2: 1:16am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1: The convention which he supervised will be invalid and so would every leader that emerge from the convention. I thought you know law? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 1:23am On Jul 29, 2021 |
THE IMPLICATION OF THE SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT TODAY IN JEGEDE VS AKEREDOLU AS IT AFFECTS THE APC IS THAT THE PARTY MUST HALT ALL PREPARATIONS AND CONDUCT OF CONGRESSES NATIONWIDE FORTHWITHThis settles my position. No be me write am. Unless they get an Ag. National Chairman, by Buni resigning between today & tomorrow, Then submit another name other than Uba's.....I have no comment. senatordave1 ejimatic kahal29 vicdom seerade029 indispensable85 penguin2 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 1:31am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: That one is his own view which is largely correct which has not nullified or countered my earlier stand about the non signing of the nomination form by the chairman.the window for substitution is still open so Andy ubah can withdraw his form and present another signed only by the secretary |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 1:32am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Penguin2: You are the one that doesn't know law.who will take it to court and invalidate it? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 1:35am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:No.....INEC laws says National Chairman and not I have answered the non-signing up Sir....You can look it up. You don't sign, it is invalid. I also have edited my last comment before this. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 1:38am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: You lie sir.I told you severally that what killed apc is the holding of primaries by swc instead of nwc...inec is bound by laws to the extend that it is constitutional.the powers of inec are stated clearly from section one to 50 in the 2010 electoral act.there is no place it provides penalty for a chairman not signing... When it comes to matters if qualification and disq,the supreme court is always predictable.they always read directly from the constitution and marry it with the electoral act.non signing by a chairman is not a disqualifying matter.leave this matter... You said a non signed document is worthless according to the court.the secretary will sign it.shikena |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 1:45am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: I repeat,inec laws is inferior to the disqualifying factors provided by both electoral act and the constitution.for inec to reject or exclude,it must have breached the qualification parameters.na wa to you...it is just like the card reader.inec said the constitution gave it powers to use it.the court said no,it has to be inserted into the law properly before it is legal....non signing by anybody at all is fatal,signing by someone is okay constitutionally |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 2:01am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:You see, you don't know how it all started. The SWC conducted the Primary, and went to Court to authenticate it. The High Court in Gusau and the Appeal Court in Sokoto both upheld the SWC's argument. NWC holding Primary is in the Constitution of Political Parties, where INEC enforced its own laws is that, it would not accept it unless it came from Oshiomhole. Accepting from counter-signed National Chairman and Secretary is embedded in INEC laws. Tell me the section of the Electoral Act that states: The NWC must organise the Primary. When it comes to matters of qualification and disq,the Supreme Court is always predictable.they always read directly from the constitution and marry it with the electoral act.non signing by a chairman is not a disqualifying matter.leave this matter...Tell me where in the Constitution where change of name is a disqualifying matter as in Degi? You are 101% wrong. Then why are you panicky? ![]() ![]() |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 2:06am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:You are 101% wrong again. What do you mean by inferior? Inferior, then the tribunal, Appeal Court and Supreme Court all agreed that Buni violated the Constitution by virtue of the signature on form CF002? What do you mean by Okay, Constitutionally? ![]() ![]() ![]() No law or Constitution is inferior......A law is only inferior if it clashes with the 1999 Constitution. What do you want me to understand again? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Is it not clear as thin air? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 2:17am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: I am not panicky,I am actually right.what matters is what the supreme court says not what the lower court says.you yourself have said it severally that the apex court has given nwc powers to conduct primaries and supreme court rulings are like prevailing laws.primaries are conducted the way party constitution states and the apc constitution empowers nwc to do so....I have told you that why apc failed in zamfara is non holding of primaries by nwc and not the reasons inec gave... In the case of degi,the supreme court interpreted his change of name as a breach of that section of the electoral act that talks about false information.whether true or not,it becomes law.... Inec cannot manufacture its own disqualifying or exclusion parameter,it must follow what our laws says.even the inec law that you posted does not stipulate any specific sanctions...trying to say that inec has the power to disqualify by its own laws is like saying that the card reader is now a parameter for election cancellation. According to you,the supreme court has stated that a non signed document is worthless.it has not said non signing by a chairman is now a disq factor.until then,I am right sir |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 2:24am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: You are actually wrong on the contrary.the constitution has clearly stated that buni as a governor cannot hold another post and holding of another post is illegal.this is a disqualifying condition direct from the constitution not from inec laws.you are confusing yourself,I never said buni signing the document is legal.get me right.I am saying that if only a secretary signs,it is still legal... Inec use of card reader clashed with the constitution.on that same regard,inec exclusion of a form signed by just a secretary is also clashing with the constitution.... |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 2:37am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:Please, where did I say the SC has given SWC powers? Please, I never said that. Primaries are conducted the way party constitution states and the APC constitution empowers nwc to do so....I have told you that why apc failed in zamfara is non holding of primaries by nwc and not the reasons inec gave...Both reasons are not mutually exclusive. For example, Ngige and 10 aspirants of APC have insisted that there was no Primary in Anambra. Even INEC's report confirms it, but the NWC submitted Uba, is his name not there? Any Aspirant who is aggrieved, should go to Court. In the case of degi,the supreme court interpreted his change of name as a breach of that section of the electoral act that talks about false information whether true or not,it becomes law....Good........but it is not in the disqualifying factors for a Governorship candidate as enshrined in the Constitution. Is it? INEC cannot manufacture its own disqualifying or exclusion parameter,it must follow what our laws says.even the inec law that you posted does not stipulate any specific sanctions...trying to say that INEC has the power to disqualify by its own laws is like saying that the card reader is now a parameter for election cancellation.The SC has ruled on the Card reader issue, INEC laws must bow to it....infact, even section 140(2) of the Electoral Act has bowed to the Court. But the SC also have said INEC is bound by its laws and guidelines in Zamfara....that's what I am saying. According to you,the supreme court has stated that a non signed document is worthless.it has not said non signing by a chairman is now a disq factor.until then,I am right SirINEC has given these guidelines to Parties. When an election is coming up....Who draws guidelines for political parties to conduct Ward Congresses, Delegates, Primaries, etc? Now, what will happen if a Political Party does not follow these strict guidelines as stipulated by INEC? |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by fergie001: 2:43am On Jul 29, 2021 |
senatordave1:I know you understand what I am saying.... The Signature is a product of INEC laws and not the Constitution. The Court however, has said INEC should enforce its guidelines. The SC has answered your question already....unless they reverse themselves, both will sign. How is the Secretary clashing with the Constitution? Where does the Constitution say anybody can sign? To answer your question....see a letter attached below. APC themselves knew and allowed only the Secretary to sign for the Primaries, INEC refused and returned it to them that the National Chairman must sign.
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Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 2:53am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: This thing is a simple matter,you are just making it hard.the court has not ruled on this that is why inec is behaving so.same supreme court that says inec should enforce its guidelines also said a breach of the guidelines is not fatal.same guidelines allowed inec to use the card reader which the court rejected.commonsensically,it means that inec can enforce its guidelines to a limit to the extent that it does not breach the disq factors spelt out by both the electoral act and the constitution.... Whenever a disqualification matter comes up,the supreme court has always turned to the constitution and electoral act and never to inec guidelines please.inec rejection of apc letter doesn't make it legal.the wise thing to do is to accept it and let the courts handle it. |
Re: Ondo: Akeredolu Wins In Supreme Court, Jegede's suit dismissed by senatordave1(m): 3:01am On Jul 29, 2021 |
fergie001: I meant to say nwc,I corrected it.anyway,you have indirectly conceded to me.disqualification factors are not just in the constitution but also in the electoral act.I never said there are in the constitution alone.... The guidelines are drawn from the electoral act...infact,all penalties from a breach of any guidelines are stipulated whether through fines or otherwise.it is clearly spelt out.I am afraid there is no penalty for a chairman not signing.whatever inec is doing,there are on their own and I am sure it will not survive in courts.inec is not a lawmaking body,it is the duty of the nass and there have clearly stated what can lead to disqualification.... If you look at the electoral act from the beginning part,you will see where it dwells on nomination.inec adding any extraneous thing is illegal.inec trying to exclude any party from outside what our laws says is illegal. Let me simplify it.the electoral act says the only means of accreditation is manual.inec tried to add card reader and failed.inectrying to add new disq factor will also fail... The only guideline that can lead to disqualification will be submitting names outside the inec window or doing primaries outside window but dont forget that the electoral act already legalized this when it provided inec deadlines as to when to conduct primaries and paste names before elections |
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