timbros:


For every Havertz you show me, I will show you Essien and Azpi. I don't want to even mention James Milner.

What make some players invaluable to their team is their versatility.

Milner might not be the first name in Liverpool teamsheet, but when an emergency cover is needed in any position, Klopp knows who to call on.

Which position will you judge Azpi on? He started as RB, played consistently as LB and now playing RCB/RWB.... Has he performed poorly in any of the positions?

Being versatile is not 'crap'. Stop throwing words anyhow. Learn how to use them.

Ridiculous!! Essien only played comfortably as a CM. Azpi played LB because Filipe Luis decided to be unfortunate but how does Azpi compare against other renowned LBs? Azpi playing LB posed an inherent structural problem no matter how you want to see it...

James Milner became a confused player when he become too poor to lock down a specific position for himself. Being a make-shift player is not what any serious player should be looking out for

swiz123:

At last, what I have been waiting for

Is Azpi's position so messed up that we need a replacement that we don't have in James and Christensen; the latter arguably better than Kounde?

This to me is a foolish signing cos a position we desperately need a good player is RWB. A player who can also play in a back 4. Spinazola can easily play this position due to his flair and energy. My first choice would have been Hakimi but we sadly let him slip away from us.

Spinazzola is a left sided player.

If TT decides to play 433, do you know that James is the only RB we have right now? Azpi is becoming slow for the RB position. That is where Kounde's versatility comes in.

TT is the coach. He knows why he wants which players.

BlueAngel444:
I only copied and pasted, but you seem more touchy than touching the point of the post. No vex

I can see through your shenanigans.
Why did you stop there when you can copy the whole sentence or your phone screen crack at that spot?

Everything look meaningless to mad people that why you can't touch the touchable.

OVA200:
Silva is not tall, only Rudiger is.
Mendy help truly .

He is a CB and in 3 man defense he should be able to play comfortably across all 3 roles, all those RWB or DM shout are just okoto because the fact that he has played there doesn't mean he is good there.
Their is no way he can bench either James or Azpi in that RWB role.

If he settle nicely in England I think he will bench either Rudiger or Azpi.

Silva is at least 6 ft tall; Kounde is shorter by at least a 4 inches...

My problem is, who is he coming to replace outrightly and is that position currently lacking in personnel

swiz123:


Ridiculous!! Essien only played comfortably as a CM. Azpi played LB because Filipe Luis decided to be unfortunate but how does Azpi compare against other renowned LBs? Azpi playing LB posed an inherent structural problem no matter how you want to see it...

James Milner became a confused player when he become too poor to lock down a specific position for himself. Being a make-shift player is not what any serious player should be looking out for

Essien played DM, CM, and RB comfortably for us. I don't know if you watched him play for us because if you do, you won't say he played comfortably ONLY in CM.

The reason why Azpi changed positions is not the issue. The issue is, did he perform well in those positions?

Bro, I don't have time for this right now please. Believe what you feel like. You have the right.

Versatility is an advantage not crap.

swiz123:

At last, what I have been waiting for

Is Azpi's position so messed up that we need a replacement that we don't have in James and Christensen; the latter arguably better than Kounde?

This to me is a foolish signing cos a position we desperately need a good player is RWB. A player who can also play in a back 4. Spinazola can easily play this position due to his flair and energy. My first choice would have been Hakimi but we sadly let him slip away from us.

Oh you wanted Hakimi, na you don talk where your wahala with Kounde's signing comes from

But don't you think Cesar is a good full back and though he is growing old, 32-33, he still has two more seasons going forward and we still have Sterling, Livramento.

It is still in this thread where people were posting Cesar is better than James in RWB

OVA200:
I can see through your shenanigans.
Why did you stop there when you can copy the whole sentence or your phone screen crack at that spot?

Everything look meaningless to mad people that why you can't touch the touchable.

SMH, not everyone has a twisted mind like you think

You're over thinking or imagining things. I gave you a simple response and I have apologize for your misunderstanding. What exactly do you want.

swiz123:


Ridiculous!! Essien only played comfortably as a CM. Azpi played LB because Filipe Luis decided to be unfortunate but how does Azpi compare against other renowned LBs? Azpi playing LB posed an inherent structural problem no matter how you want to see it...

James Milner became a confused player when he become too poor to lock down a specific position for himself. Being a make-shift player is not what any serious player should be looking out for

Cancelo, Alaba, Philip Lahm

Three more names for you

swiz123:


Silva is at least 6 ft tall; Kounde is shorter by at least a 4 inches...

My problem is, who is he coming to replace outrightly and is that position currently lacking in personnel

Silva is not tall for a CB; and Kounde is just 2 inches shorter.
Silva is 6ft 0in
Kounde is 5ft 10in.

If TT stick with the 3 at the back then he is coming for RCB or CB.
Is it until we are lacking at a position that it should be strengthen?
Azpi will be 32 comes season start;
Silva is 37 and probably going after season ends;
Rudiger and Christensen have a year left on their contract;
That's 4 CBs aging or with uncertain future.

BlueAngel444:
is Havertz not a midfielder and what position did he play under Tuchel and Low is it not at the right flank


Are you saying Havertz is technically not good enough to play 8 that most Attacking midfielders would play, considering he played there at Bayer at times

Let's not use numbers let's use right half space, isn't that Havertz position. All this talk blaming Lampard for Havertz failing is very unfair. That same position Barkley as an AM played it well

Nawaoo... 343 doesn't have an outright winger.. if anything the RWB is the winger. Lampard used Havertz as a pure winger in a 433 like he is Robben.

As a right sided 8 (CAM), he is expected to track runners back to avoid overloads, instead of focusing on finding spaces.

He is playing in a different position now compared to Lampard's time

swiz123:


Nawaoo... 343 doesn't have an outright winger.. if anything the RWB is the winger. Lampard used Havertz as a pure winger in a 433 like he is Robben.

As a right sided 8 (CAM), he is expected to track runners back to avoid overloads, instead of focusing on finding spaces.

He is playing in a different position now compared to Lampard's time

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BlueAngel444:
SMH, not everyone has a twisted mind like you think

You're over thinking or imagining things. I gave you a simple response and I have apologize for your misunderstanding. What exactly do you want.

I'm not overthinking or imagining anything.
I'm just perplexed that you still ask those questions after I explained everything about the situation.

You too don begin vex?
Oya sorry.

Back to the discuss:
Kounde is a young, decent CB who I believe can develop to world class.
While zouma is average CB and who I don't think can be world class considering what he lacks and his age.

timbros:


Essien played DM, CM, and RB comfortably for us. I don't know if you watched him play for us because if you do, you won't say he played comfortably ONLY in CM.

The reason why Azpi changed positions is not the issue. The issue is, did he perform well in those positions?

Bro, I don't have time for this right now please. Believe what you feel like. You have the right.

Versatility is an advantage not crap.

Essien was more efficient as a box to box midfielder but I must agree he can play DM too. But you see that CB and RB, they are crap. Ask yourself how Essien would compare to other great CBs and RBs if Chelsea chose to keep him at that position permanently

Essien wasn't signed because of those positions even though we were grateful he could put in a reasonable performance there.

Now, my arguement is, signing a player because he is versatile is nonsense. You sign a top player to come and replace someone straight away at the position he is the best at. No player can play all many positions equally well.

swiz123:


Nawaoo... 343 doesn't have an outright winger.. if anything the RWB is the winger. Lampard used Havertz as a pure winger in a 433 like he is Robben.

As a right sided 8 (CAM), he is expected to track runners back to avoid overloads, instead of focusing on finding spaces.

He is playing in a different position now compared to Lampard's time

If i may ask, which position do you think Kai Havertz should play in a 433 formation?

swiz123:


Essien was more efficient as a box to box midfielder but I must agree he can play DM too. But you see that CB and RB, they are crap. Ask yourself how Essien would compare to other great CBs and RBs if Chelsea chose to keep him at that position permanently

Essien wasn't signed because of those positions even though we were grateful he could put in a reasonable performance there.

Now, my arguement is, signing a player because he is versatile is nonsense. You sign a top player to come and replace someone straight away at the position he is the best at. No player can play all many positions equally well

Nacho Fernandez beg to differ.

OVA200:
Silva is not tall for a CB; and Kounde is just 2 inches shorter.
Silva is 6ft 0in
Kounde is 5ft 10in.

If TT stick with the 3 at the back then he is coming for RCB or CB.
Is it until we are lacking at a position that it should be strengthen?
Azpi will be 32 comes season start;
Silva is 37 and probably going after season ends;
Rudiger and Christensen have a year left on their contract;
That's 4 CBs aging or with uncertain future.

While we suffer a glaring lack in RWB position?? Reason soundly brother...

Is Kounde coming to take a position that we lack personnel in? Is our problem conceding goals or scoring goals? I wouldn't bat an eye if he was on the cheap side.... Or if he was being signed because he can replace Silva outrightly.... We are just wasting so much money on a misplaced priority

OVA200:
If i may ask, which position do you think Kai Havertz should play in a 433 formation?

It depends on who he is playing with. He can't play in Midfield with Mount but with a more defensively aware midfielder, he can.

When Mount and Havertz were in Midfield, our middle was wider than the latest 10 lanes road Buhari completed in Rivers

timbros:
Nice to see the yellow away jersey back.

Reminds me of our yellow away 2009/10 season under Anchelotti. My best yellow so far.

Nike tried in this one.

The yellow kit always hits different

swiz123:


It depends on who he is playing with. He can't play in Midfield with Mount but with a more defensively aware midfielder, he can.

When Mount and Havertz were in Midfield, our middle was wider than the latest 10 lanes road Buhari completed in Rivers

This may be dependent on tactics tho. As far as PL attackers go, there aren't many that are better or more astute than Mount defensively. This one no be hype; we fit argue e offensive contributions, but we no fit argue that one.

So TT can instruct him not to push forward too much, that way he can provide some more defensive cover.

Fellas, i just added another year , today.
Say a prayer for me & thank "The Most High' on my behalf.
The past 2years have been really really testing but somehow, i recently found favour in the hands of men.
Even when hope was lost, Almighty God has shown me he hasn't forgotten his own.

swiz123:


While we suffer a glaring lack in RWB position?? Reason soundly brother...

Is Kounde coming to take a position that we lack personnel in? Is our problem conceding goals or scoring goals? I wouldn't bat an eye if he was on the cheap side.... Or if he was being signed because he can replace Silva outrightly.... We are just wasting so much money on a misplaced priority

We are suffering glaringly in RWB?
This alone is enough not to reply this.

If you are talking about what our priority should be which is a striker then i will understand and you can't say they didn't try in that aspect but saying we didn't need him is false.

I told you we may lose 3 of our CB come season end and you did as if that is not a problem.
Let me tell that is a big problem because come season end Silva will go and Rudiger and Christensen will hold us to ransom if we table a new deal because they know we are short of CB and giving them contract bigger than normal will still be cheaper than filling the void of 3 CB at a single transfer window.
And it's not as If they are outrightly buying him, they're swapping like for like player and getting a better player.

Just say you don't like Kounde then I will understand.

OVA200:
We are suffering glaringly in RWB?
This alone is enough not to reply this.

If you are talking about what our priority should be which is a striker then i will understand and you can't say they didn't try in that aspect but saying we didn't need him is not false.

I told you we may loss 3 of our CB come season end and you did as if that is not a problem.
Let me tell that is a big problem because come season end Silva will go and Rudiger and Christensen will hold us to ransom if we table a new deal because they know we are short of CB and giving them contract bigger than normal will still be cheaper than filling the void of 3 CB at a single transfer window.
And it's not as If they are outrightly buying him, they're swapping like for like player and getting a better player.

Just say you don't like Kounde then I will understand.

And James

Birthday blessings Ojurongbe1

OJURONGBE1:
Fellas, i just added another year , today.
Say a prayer for me & thank "The Most High' on my behalf.
The past 2years have been really really testing but somehow, i recently found favour in the hands of men.
Even when hope was lost, Almighty God has shown me he hasn't forgotten his own.

Oga mi, happy birthday boss. Long life, prosperity and plenty merriment.

Age with grace boss.

OJURONGBE1:
Fellas, i just added another year , today.
Say a prayer for me & thank "The Most High' on my behalf.
The past 2years have been really really testing but somehow, i recently found favour in the hands of men.
Even when hope was lost, Almighty God has shown me he hasn't forgotten his own.

May God be thanked bro and may that favour continually be on the increase. Happy birthday

swiz123:


It depends on who he is playing with. He can't play in Midfield with Mount but with a more defensively aware midfielder, he can.

When Mount and Havertz were in Midfield, our middle was wider than the latest 10 lanes road Buhari completed in Rivers

See twisting on top simple question.

So we must use certain set of player before Havertz can fit into 433?
What if we don't have that type of player, we should stop playing 433 because of Havertz.

Even as creative as de bruyne is they didn't sacrifice the midfield for him.

swiz123:


Essien was more efficient as a box to box midfielder but I must agree he can play DM too. But you see that CB and RB, they are crap. Ask yourself how Essien would compare to other great CBs and RBs if Chelsea chose to keep him at that position permanently

Essien wasn't signed because of those positions even though we were grateful he could put in a reasonable performance there.

Now, my arguement is, signing a player because he is versatile is nonsense. You sign a top player to come and replace someone straight away at the position he is the best at. No player can play all many positions equally well.

Ok

OJURONGBE1:
Fellas, i just added another year , today.
Say a prayer for me & thank "The Most High' on my behalf.
The past 2years have been really really testing but somehow, i recently found favour in the hands of men.
Even when hope was lost, Almighty God has shown me he hasn't forgotten his own.

Happy birthday brother may you continue to see goodness in the land of the living

timbros:


Essien played DM, CM, and RB comfortably for us. I don't know if you watched him play for us because if you do, you won't say he played comfortably ONLY in CM.

The reason why Azpi changed positions is not the issue. The issue is, did he perform well in those positions?

Bro, I don't have time for this right now please. Believe what you feel like. You have the right.

Versatility is an advantage not crap.

He played DM and CM comfortably but not rightback. Ronaldo washed him in that UCL final in 2008 at RB. Joe Cole actually handled Ronaldo better one on one, but everytime he faced Essien, Essien couldn't anticipate which way he would go.

swiz123:


Nawaoo... 343 doesn't have an outright winger.. if anything the RWB is the winger. Lampard used Havertz as a pure winger in a 433 like he is Robben.

As a right sided 8 (CAM), he is expected to track runners back to avoid overloads, instead of focusing on finding spaces.

He is playing in a different position now compared to Lampard's time

This is a story for the Gods. What formation did Leverkusen play?

Happy birthday Ojurongbe1

God bless you

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