Habakkuk 2:15 Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies!

Workch, if you had your way, you would either dim or quench the light of the sun so that you could study it. Is it not so? Ehehehehe!

Dtruthspeaker:


The same Records which told you that Aristotle, Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton walked upon the earth and you never queried nor disbelieved it.

Lol, at least he's not living in fear or being threatened that he'd be punished and tortured forever if he doesn't believe in a Jewish man who walks on water and flies into space.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why I ask them if their ruler tells them that it wants to measure them would they answer it?

Very Disrespectful bastard idiots!

Any way if they did not Disrespect God, they would not be Satan's children

Awwn, look at you getting all emotional.
Don't take it too seriously. Since you're sure of your beliefs, what is said about it shouldn't hurt you nw. it's like getting angry when flat earthers say the earth is flat, like, does it matter? Don't get worked up. Sorry.

Workch:
As far as we know, there is no verifiable evidence that Jesus ever walked on earth.

Maybe I am wrong, can anyone provide us with evidence outside of the Christian texts that Jesus ever existed?

Workch, if i were you I will close the thread or modify the topic now to suit your extended pursuit. That will have a lot to say with the position of your heart to discussion.

DappaD has given you an answer that solved your question. Everything shouldn't be about arguing. Change your thread topic or close this as it has been fully and satisfactory answered.

This is how to be sincere and critical positively.

Apart from all the evidences around us - historic, archeological and otherwise - that are congruent with the Holy Bible - Romans 1:18-20

There are numerous witnesses - the Apostles primarily - but many more that testified:

"Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead." - Acts 10:40-42

"This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses." - Acts 2:32 (Matthew 18:16, Luke 24:48, John 5:32, Acts 3:15, Acts 10:39, 2 Corinthians 13:1, Hebrews 10:28)

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” - Acts 1:8

Despite extreme persecution (evidently leading to unjust execution) in many cities they went to in order to share the Gospel of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - these Apostles and Disciples of CHRIST were compelled and empowered by GOD to persist.

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"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:17-18

"Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." - Hebrews 3:17-19

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:8

hupernikao:


Workch, if i were you I will close the thread or modify the topic now to suit your extended pursuit. That will have a lot to say with the position of your heart to discussion.

DappaD has given you an answer that solved your question. Everything shouldn't be about arguing. Change your thread topic or close this as it has been fully and satisfactory answered.

This is how to be sincere and critical positively.

he didn’t provide verifiable evidence, did he?

kingxsamz:


Awwn, look at you getting all emotional.
Don't take it too seriously. Since you're sure of your beliefs, what is said about it shouldn't hurt you nw. it's like getting angry when flat earthers say the earth is flat, like, does it matter? Don't get worked up. Sorry.

You know that there are some (actually, many) things are that are just so unreasonably incredulously vexatious such that they do deserve to be angrily. Thanks anyway!

kingxsamz:

Lol, at least he's not living in fear or being threatened that he'd be punished and tortured forever if he doesn't believe in a Jewish man who walks on water and flies into space.

But that is where Wisdom has come to tell creations what they ought to know and that they do know.

Your phone MUST FEAR YOUR FIRE, YOUR WALL, YOUR GROUND, YOUR WATER! Your Pencil MUST FEAR YOUR HANDS, FEET and FIRE! Your Mannequin MUST FEAR YOUR FIRE AND CRUSHER.

The Bible is Only laying The Law that creations MUST FEAR THEIR CREATORS, whether they would like it so or not, It is The Law!

But is it not reasonable and wise that if you are friends and family with your Creator it will always be well with you? (You are even a fear to other creations)

That is the summary of what God is telling us through the Bible.

Dtruthspeaker:


The same Records which told you that Aristotle, Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton walked upon the earth and you never queried nor disbelieved it.

Those people wrote works that actually bears their names. Please can you provide for us "the gospel of jesus". That will definitely silence all critics...

budaatum:


For Archimedes and Plato, their writings would suffice as evidence of their existence. For Socrates, however, we'd have to consider if what Aristophanes wrote was true or fiction or fiction based on an actual person which is what Plato presents for Socrates. That however is not to claim Jesus existed or not as the facts are rather more patchy.

Still, that should be relevant only to a believer, and not so much to a learner, as its like asking if the fictional tortoise in Things Fall Apart existed, rather that learning the lesson therein, and would be the province of one considering or convincing themself to be an atheist. After all, love your neighbour and your enemy moreso is good for human society and not a suitable thing to be atheistic about just as it would be odd to be atheistic about fictional Okonkwo.

Just consider a thread asking 'Did Okonkwo exist', and you might get my point, though there is far more evidence for Jesus.

Provide one please...

22jumpstreet:

Those people wrote works that actually bears their names. Please can you provide for us "the gospel of jesus". That will definitely silence all critics...

We have many works whose authors are unknown and yet people have utilized and accepted them eg the author of the summerian myth, the author of enuma Elisha, numerous quotes, poems etc.

It is exactly as a buffet or an eatery, you know not who cooked the food but if it looks Good, you are gonna eat it.

So it is not always we know (and want to know) who "cooked" the food.

Dtruthspeaker:


But that is where Wisdom has come to tell creations what they ought to know and that they do know.

Your phone MUST FEAR YOUR FIRE, YOUR WALL, YOUR GROUND, YOUR WATER! Your Pencil MUST FEAR YOUR HANDS, FEET and FIRE! Your Mannequin MUST FEAR YOUR FIRE AND CRUSHER.

The Bible is Only laying The Law that creations MUST FEAR THEIR CREATORS, whether they would like it so or not, It is The Law!

But is it not reasonable and wise that if you are friends and family with your Creator it will always be well with you? (You are even a fear to other creations)

That is the summary of what God is telling us through the Bible.

Lol, there's nothing sensible about being scared because of a book written by men thousands of years ago. It's like being scared that Einstein will come back to haunt the living because someone said so.

kingxsamz:

Lol, there's nothing sensible about being scared because of a book written by men thousands of years ago. It's like being scared that Einstein will come back to haunt the living because someone said so.

As I said "Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR", even if they are not told.

But man is that foolish, that he has to be told.

Dtruthspeaker:


As I said "Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR", even if they are not told.

But man is that foolish, that he has to be told.

Why do you have to be scared of your creator. I have never seen a Dell computer scared of Michael Dell..or iPhone scared of Steve Jobs...
It's like one iPhone telling another iPhone that Steve Jobs is going to destroy them because they refuse to worship Mr Joseph brown ?
Is that even possible?

Dtruthspeaker:


As I said "Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR", even if they are not told.

Yeah, that's what dead men said thousands of years ago to put people like you in mental slavery.
Funny how it still works perfectly even with all the technology and information you have.
I'm sure those people would have called us gods if they knew what kind technology we have in these times.

kingxsamz:

Yeah, that's what dead men said thousands of years ago to put people like you in mental slavery.
Funny how it still works perfectly even with all the technology and information you have.
I'm sure those people would have called us gods if they knew what kind technology we have in these times.

Yet you fear!

And in defiance of all your efforts and acquisitions to remove the fear, you fear even more.

"Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR".

kingxsamz:

Yeah, that's what dead men said thousands of years ago to put people like you in mental slavery.
Funny how it still works perfectly even with all the technology and information you have.
I'm sure those people would have called us gods if they knew what kind technology we have in these times.

Yet you fear!

And in defiance of all your efforts and acquisitions to remove the fear, you fear even more.

As I said,

"Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR".

Dtruthspeaker:


Yet you fear!

And in defiance of all your efforts and acquisitions to remove the fear, you fear even more.

"Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR".

Lol, who's scared?
Me or you?

22jumpstreet:

Why do you have to be scared of your creator.

You do not have a choice of being scared" of your Creator, but as a Candle, YOU MUST BE GREATLY AFRAID OF YOUR CREATOR.

That is what it means to be a creation.

22jumpstreet:

I have never seen a Dell computer scared of Michael Dell..or iPhone scared of Steve Jobs...

Have you ever seen a Dell or iPhone disobeying and challenging Michael Dell and Steve Jobs?

What shall happen if and when they do so?

The Hammer and the Fire or any other means of destruction is what they are gonna get!

22jumpstreet:

It's like one iPhone telling another iPhone that Steve Jobs s going to destroy them because they refuse to worship Mr Joseph brown ?
Is that even possible?

this iPhone is telling the other iPhones "you no go do wetin Oga Steve Jobs talk, abi to suffer and die dey hungry you?"

kingxsamz:


Lol, who's scared?
Me or you?

Your words up earlier had already shown how greatly afraid you are.

Workch:
As far as we know, there is no verifiable evidence that Jesus ever walked on earth.

Maybe I am wrong, can anyone provide us with evidence outside of the Christian texts that Jesus ever existed?

The only EVIDENCE the world have today apart from what is WRITTEN in books (paper) about:

© Wright Brothers is aeroplane
© Benjamin Franklin is electricity
© Jesus is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Dtruthspeaker:


You do not have a choice of being scared" of your Creator, but as a Candle, YOU MUST BE GREATLY AFRAID OF YOUR CREATOR.

That is what it means to be a creation.



Have you ever seen a Dell or iPhone disobeying and challenging Michael Dell and Steve Jobs?

What shall happen if and when they do so?

The Hammer and the Fire or any other means of destruction is what they are gonna get!



this iPhone is telling the other iPhones "you no go do wetin Oga Steve Jobs talk, abi to suffer and die dey hungry you?"

Why ??

For all three illustrations.

MaxInDHouse:


The only EVIDENCE the world have today apart from what is WRITTEN in books (paper) about:

© Wright Brothers is aeroplane
© Benjamin Franklin is electricity
© Jesus is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

All three are insignificant part of the universe.....without which the universe can still function well...

So stop claiming importance...

MaxInDHouse:


The only EVIDENCE the world have today apart from what is WRITTEN in books (paper) about:

© Wright Brothers is aeroplane
© Benjamin Franklin is electricity
© Jesus is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Are you saying the only evidence of Jesus is a cult?
Thank you, that is ok for me..

With Jesus, the Concept of Good and Bad; Darkness and Light; Life and Death become well known.

Double response to the same post.
Sign of confusion!


Please let the OP and his concerned atheist group response, at least they're the ones interested in EVIDENCE of past heroes outside what was WRITTEN!

22jumpstreet:

Are you saying the only evidence of Jesus is a cult?
Thank you, that is ok for me..

Dtruthspeaker:


Your words up earlier had already shown how greatly afraid you are.

Lol, be like say you don run out of points

As I said "Every creation, MUST ALWAYS BE AFRAID OF ITS CREATOR"

Na you talk am yourself say you dey fear, wetin con concern me inside?

Workch:
The proof of the existence of Jesus means proof that a man That was born without fertilization ever existed.

Prove that a man who feed 5,000 with 5loaves of bread and two fished existed.

Prove that a man that walked on water ever existed.


No man with the those attributes ever walked in this planet. Jesus in the real sense is a Roman concoction that translates into nothing.

I am working earnestly on the emboldened. Jesus is an invented fiction, firstly he is personification of the jewish resistance movement. The Roman Government in the reign of Vespasian hijacked the movement and fashioned it around Seraphis worship. Vespasian succeeded in inventing a pacifist Jesus, overshadowing Ebionism. Christians should read

In other words, Evidence is in what He did, where He did them, and how He did them. There are numerous examples of these in the Bible..

MaxInDHouse:
Double response to the same post.
Sign of confusion!


Please let the OP and his concerned atheist group response, at least they're the ones interested in EVIDENCE of past heroes outside what was WRITTEN!

Lol...keep on believing absurdities...

orunto27:
With Jesus, the Concept of Good and Bad; Darkness and Light; Life and Death become well known.

But it us God who created both. They are just the different sides of the same thing. Isaiah 45:7

It does not mean there are two separate gods responsible for both. God is the lord of both...

22jumpstreet:


Why ??

For all three illustrations.

Because, that is what it means to be a creation.

Creations are always under The Law which A Creator Always places over all His creations.