orunto27:
In other words, Evidence is in what He did, where He did them, and how He did them. There are numerous examples of these in the Bible..

Do you really know what a fictional story means ?

orunto27:
In other words, Evidence is in what He did, where He did them, and how He did them. There are numerous examples of these in the Bible..

Get your hand on Forged written by Bart Erthman, there you will find the whole New testament you depended on is wholesale forgery, deceit in service of truth. Read Christians

22jumpstreet:

Lol...keep on believing absurdities...

I'm sorry for you!

The atheists are far better than you in reasoning, they condemned all books people claim are from the divine.
WHY?
Because nothing sounds logical to them and they only want to reason along with logics but I your own case you believe part of the books and condemned the rest saying it's absurdity yet there is no difference between what you're referring to as absurdity and the one you're trying to inculcate in the minds of your listeners!

22jumpstreet:


Do you really know what a fictional story means ?

Had Christians know John Frum and Seraphis, they will understand that cobbling a new deity both in new and ancient age is norm. All these are done for political correctness and hopeful windbag. Jesus Christ is an invention of Roman Government. They succeeded in overthrowing James the just in the Jerusalem church and enthroned Peter the hypocrite in Rome church. Constantine established the Universal church to unite divided Western and eastern part of the empire.

I don't subscribe to Atwill's Caesar Messiah but his works opened me ancient conspiracy

MaxInDHouse:


I'm sorry for you!

The atheists are far better than you in reasoning, they condemned all books people claim are from the divine.
WHY?
Because nothing sounds logical to them and they only want to reason along with logics but I your own case you believe part of the books and condemned the rest saying it's absurdity yet there is no difference between what you're referring to as absurdity and the one you're trying to inculcate in the minds of your listeners!

I read the stories in all and try to learn the messages in the stories. I already know the stories are all metaphors and allegory..

But mumu you think the stories are literal and historical. We are asking you to give us good evidence that Jesus was actually a historical figure, the best you can do is point to a Cult (Jehovah witness)

Shame on you..

FOLYKAZE:


Had Christians know John Frum and Seraphis, they will understand that cobbling a new deity both in new and ancient age is norm. All these are done for political correctness and hopeful windbag. Jesus Christ is an invention of Roman Government. They succeeded in overthrowing James the just in the Jerusalem church and enthroned Peter the hypocrite in Rome church. Constantine established the Universal church to unite divided Western and eastern part of the empire.

I don't subscribe to Atwill's Caesar Messiah but his works opened me ancient conspiracy

You took this from my mind. Lol
Great minds think alike...

Time is the only judge..

22jumpstreet:


I read the stories in all and try to learn the messages in the stories. I already know the stories are all metaphors and allegory..

But mumu you think the stories are literal and historical. We are asking you to give us good evidence that Jesus was actually a historical figure, the best you can do is point to a Cult (Jehovah witness)

Shame on you..

I will punish you today and use intelligence to make your brains boil inside your skull!

You said
"the stories are metaphors and allegories"

So who brought the TORAH?

Don't forget that Moses and everything WRITTEN about him like
©turning a rod into a snake.
©turning the nile river to blood.
©parting the red Sea
Just to mention a few must be METAPHORS and ALLEGORIES!

BeLookingIDIOT:

While I believe Jesus likely existed,it's certainly not the mythological figure as projected by xtians,and those non-xtian references to him are an interpolation by later xtains.
By the way,your god said nothing new or marginally useful ...you're really calling those philosophers false wisdom and what their use have been

Jesus Christ didn't exist. He is a personification of Jewish resistance movement, fashioned around The Egyptian, a zealot revolutionary leader; Jesus ben Sephat, second temple high priest; Jesus ben Ananus, second temple high priest; Jesus damneus, the brother of James; and so many other revolutionary leaders.

His birth is personified weaved around Judas the Galilean birth of the Zealot movement. This is why the Gospel writters fixated Jesus birth in 4BC.

Apostle Paul was an instrument in establishing Gentile Christianity, whitewashing Jewish community and killing James known as Stephen in Acts of Apostle. Herod Agrippa I and II had a hand in this. Vespasian saw the simultaneous uprising and escalating war in 66ADb and decided to create pacifist Jesus to counter the awakening Messiah motivational belief in Jewish community. He took Seraphis worship from Alexandra and coined Jesus with it.

Get James the Brother of Jesus written by Robert Einsmen, he elaborated the Jesus movement and how Paul, a Roman citizen hijacked it, creating what we know today as Christianity.

22jumpstreet:


You took this from my mind. Lol
Great minds think alike...

Time is the only judge..

The Abrahamic religion are the greatest sham. Rabbinic Judaism is the fallout of
first century Pharisaicc sect, after Titus destroyed the temple. Christianity is a deliberate fashioning of Ebionite community from a military resistance group into pro Roman establishment tax paying group. Islam is a fall out of Ebionite sect that escaped to the desert when Titus destroyed their camp in Masada. Islam hold onto Docetic concept of True prophet known as Jesus/Isa, pray facing Mecca like Ebions pray facing Jerusalem, and practice ablution just like Ebions.

I will make the thread hopefully by next week.

MaxInDHouse:


I will punish you today and use intelligence to make your brains boil inside your skull!

You said
"the stories are metaphors and allegories"

So who brought the TORAH?

Don't forget that Moses and everything WRITTEN about him like
©turning a rod into a snake.
©turning the nile river to blood.
©parting the red Sea
Just to mention a few must be METAPHORS and ALLEGORIES!

The Torah was written by Ezra. After the babylonian exile...

Most of it are all adaptation from babylonian myths..

22jumpstreet:


The Torah was written by Ezra. After the babylonian exile...

Most of it are all adaptation from babylonian myths..

2000yrs after the event? Wild tale.

Moses self no exist. Israelites were not enslaved in Egypt. Everything na tale

22jumpstreet:

The Torah was written by Ezra. After the babylonian exile...
Most of it are all adaptation from babylonian myths..

So what concerns me with Ezra's writing?

FOLYKAZE:


2000yrs after the event? Wild tale.

Moses self no exist. Israelites were not enslaved in Egypt. Everything na tale

It's a tale....thats what I am saying

MaxInDHouse:


So what concerns me with Ezra's writing?

You answer me...you are the Jehovah witness.

22jumpstreet:

You answer me...you are the Jehovah witness.

I have no business with you!

I came only to PRESENT the undeniable living EVIDENCE of Jesus' existence. I expected the OP and all his colleagues in their faculty of ATHEISM to prove me wrong. After all there's no other EVIDENCE that Benjamin Franklin or Wright Brothers ever existed on this planet apart from what was written about them and the result of their findings which we can all SEE today.
So if anyone doesn't want to believe what the book Bible says about the world greatest man well let them come out and tell everyone what made people from different races throughout the earth including the world's most racist nations to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23 compare to Micah 4:1-3

You're just a nuisance that i don't need to chat with aren't you the same person going about telling religionists that with the evidence before you so far JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the only proof of Jesus' existence?

22jumpstreet:

You people are arguing who is a better worshipper of an idol.
I will be the umpire..
So far the Jehovah witnesses are winning..

Guy go and sit down!

That is why he is an Athiest.

They are like Dreams and when Dreams happen as you had them, they are realities.

Dtruthspeaker:


That is why I ask them if their ruler tells them that it wants to measure them would they answer it?

Very Disrespectful bastard idiots!

Any way if they did not Disrespect God, they would not be Satan's children

Such Christian love on display

They were not so in Adam. In Christ our Lord, God separated Righteousness from Selfishness.

orunto27:
They were not so in Adam. In Christ our Lord, God separated Righteousness from Selfishness.

If I tell you Harry Potter is my lord, how would you look at me?

Workch:

I don’t see anyone calling Plato, Archimede and Socrates gods. No one had said these guys died for everyone and if we don’t serve them, we go to hell. That’s a significant difference

Of course Plato, Archimedes and Socrates are not gods because even their own gods can't stand beside Jesus who is a MIGHTY GOD {Isaiah 9:6} God simply means Supreme Being.

You won't have any issue with those DEAD philosophers because they're just like craftmen in different field who discovered new ways of doing things. But you must have issues with the King of Kings whose harmless armies are feared by great countries like Russia!

Jesus commaded them not to carry weapons before establishing his orders in the heart of whoever is willing. They've penetrated even the stronghold of the world's most racist nations on the planet and recruited disciples for Jesus making them LOVE one another like blood relations {John 13:34-35} having the same line of thought on serious issues {John 17:20-23} making them vow never to raise up weapons against their fellowman again for any reason whatsoever {Matthew 26:52} turning them into peacemakers in all our neighbourhood, going to make peace with all their neighbours! Matthew 10:11-13

So if a third world power like Russia could feel threatened by Jesus' true followers who doesn't carry any weapons and equating them with deadly terrorist groups like ISIS surely an individual like you must have serious issues anytime you hear the name of the living King "JESUS CHRIST" who is like a MIGHTY GOD controlling the world's most formidable but harmless army "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

MaxInDHouse:


Of course Plato, Archimedes and Socrates are not gods because even their own gods can't stand beside Jesus who is a MIGHTY GOD {Isaiah 9:6} God simply means Supreme Being.

You won't have any issue with those DEAD philosophers because they're just like craftmen in different field who discovered new ways of doing things. But you must have issues with the King of Kings whose harmless armies are feared by great countries like Russia!

Jesus commaded them not to carry weapons before establishing his orders in the heart of whoever is willing. They've penetrated even the stronghold of the world's most racist nations on the planet and recruited disciples for Jesus making them LOVE one another like blood relations {John 13:34-35} having the same line of thought on serious issues {John 17:20-23} making them vow never to raise up weapons against their fellowman again for any reason whatsoever {Matthew 26:52} turning them into peacemakers in all our neighbourhood, going to make peace with all their neighbours! Matthew 10:11-13

So if a third world power like Russia could feel threatened by Jesus' true followers who doesn't carry any weapons and equating them with deadly terrorist groups like ISIS surely an individual like you must have serious issues anytime you hear the name of the living King "JESUS CHRIST" who is like a MIGHTY GOD controlling the world's most formidable but harmless army "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

What's the difference between superman and Jesus?

22jumpstreet:

What's the difference between superman and Jesus?

Superman only appears in the imagination of the fabricator of that character.
Jesus is COMMANDING a multitude of people from different races throughout the earth today!

So if your brains needs a reset go and do it now!

@22jumpstreet

I don't know why you won't allow these people to talk!

The OP demanded for EVIDENCE of Jesus' existence and i provided an undeniable proof but you're uncomfortable because your mission is dead with the emergence of the living proof!

The last time you tried to explain away the occurrence cof miracles documented in the New Testament but got lost when i asked you to explain the miracle written in the Old Testament. Today now you want to discard all the miracles just to find like minds here.

Well let me hint you on what Jesus Christ of Nazareth the same person you're trying to erase from history said:

"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" Luke 11:23

Go now and find out throughout the world whether you can find one single group of people unitedly worshiping together in a way befitting God's people apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Even the atheists you're seeing here never agree on anything except when they're about to discard the idea of a Supreme Being. That's why the world is in chaos till now because each person wants to prove himself. You will never find and can never form a united people under the Torah because the Torah is not meant for people outside Israel, so any attempt to use it as a yardstick will surely fail!

From Genesis to Revelation is all about one person "Jesus Christ" so once you try to remove Jesus from the picture the book (Bible) becomes useless.

That's the bitter Truth!

Workch:
As far as we know, there is no verifiable evidence that Jesus ever walked on earth.

Maybe I am wrong, can anyone provide us with evidence outside of the Christian texts that Jesus ever existed?

Do you believe Socrates (the Greek philosopher, not the late Brazilian footballer) ever walked the earth? If yes, can you give a verifiable evidence outside if Plato's writing that Socrates ever existed?

Workch:
I don’t see anyone calling Plato, Archimede and Socrates gods. No one had said these guys died for everyone and if we don’t serve them, we go to hell. That’s a significant difference

Your question was not whether Jesus was God or not; your question was whether truly He walked the planet Earth before. Be focused on your point and stop drifting.

Workch:
There are real texts written by Plato and Socrates though and these texts are still available.

Jesus didn’t write any (even if he did, so haven’t seen any) all text written about him are traced back to when he was assumed death, unlike for Plato and Socrates.

Never read that Socrates wrote any text. We got to know about Socrates from Plato's writings.

HedwigesMaduro:


Do you believe Socrates (the Greek philosopher, not the late Brazilian footballer) ever walked the earth? If yes, can you give a verifiable evidence outside if Plato's writing that Socrates ever existed?

I don't believe it, there is evidence that he did. I accept the evidence

HedwigesMaduro:


Your question was not whether Jesus was God or not; your question was whether truly He walked the planet Earth before. Be focused on your point and stop drifting.

There's evidence Plato existed, it's a dumb comparison.
Even if there's no evidence for Plato's existence, it's not an evidence that Jesus existed.
That's how ridiculous it is

Let's get some facts about Jesus, as opposed to religious beliefs about Jesus, straight...

There is no contemporary non-biblical evidence to show that Jesus ever existed, certainly not as described in the gospels and other New Testament stories.

The very first reference to Jesus, even in the NT itself, wasn't written until nearly 20 years after his supposed death. This is the First Epistle to the Thessalonians, written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus) in either 50 or 51 CE.
The very first non-biblical reference to Jesus was written by the historian Josephus in either 93 or 94 CE. This was Antiquities of the Jews, however, it's known that at least part of the references to Jesus in this work is a later forgery, probably added by a Christian scribe retrospectively trying to authenticate his beliefs.
The gospel stories of supposed events in Jesus's life weren't written for several decades after the events they purport to describe, often as supposed eyewitnesses. The earliest gospel, that of Mark, was written around the year 70 CE, whilst the last, that of John wasn’t written until around the end of the 1st century CE. They have no known authors, and they weren't given the names we know them by until the latter half of the 2nd century CE.
The gospel stories of supposed events in Jesus's life, including the claimed miracles, are purely mythical and are updated and contemporised versions of supposed miracles performed by several characters described in Jewish and Greek mythology, both of which were well-known to the people of the time. This theological literary technique even had its own name, midrash.
The birth stories of Jesus as described in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, not written for between 80 and 90 years after the supposed event, only agree on one thing; that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. This is, however, nothing more than a supposed fulfilment of an ancient Jewish prophecy in Micah 5:2 describing a "ruler over Israel" being born in Bethlehem.

There is no non-biblical evidence to show that Jesus as portrayed in the Bible ever existed, let alone that he was whom the New Testament claims he was. Neither do any records exist to show who the person on whom the biblical Jesus was probably based, was.

The biblical claims and stories about Jesus, and his family, were for one purpose and one purpose alone, that of convincing the naïve, superstitious people of the 1st and 2nd centuries CE to follow the new religion of Christianity.

sonmvayina:
Let's get some facts about Jesus, as opposed to religious beliefs about Jesus, straight...

There is no contemporary non-biblical evidence to show that Jesus ever existed, certainly not as described in the gospels and other New Testament stories.

The very first reference to Jesus, even in the NT itself, wasn't written until nearly 20 years after his supposed death. This is the First Epistle to the Thessalonians, written by Paul (Saul of Tarsus) in either 50 or 51 CE.
The very first non-biblical reference to Jesus was written by the historian Josephus in either 93 or 94 CE. This was Antiquities of the Jews, however, it's known that at least part of the references to Jesus in this work is a later forgery, probably added by a Christian scribe retrospectively trying to authenticate his beliefs.
The gospel stories of supposed events in Jesus's life weren't written for several decades after the events they purport to describe, often as supposed eyewitnesses. The earliest gospel, that of Mark, was written around the year 70 CE, whilst the last, that of John wasn’t written until around the end of the 1st century CE. They have no known authors, and they weren't given the names we know them by until the latter half of the 2nd century CE.
The gospel stories of supposed events in Jesus's life, including the claimed miracles, are purely mythical and are updated and contemporised versions of supposed miracles performed by several characters described in Jewish and Greek mythology, both of which were well-known to the people of the time. This theological literary technique even had its own name, midrash.
The birth stories of Jesus as described in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, not written for between 80 and 90 years after the supposed event, only agree on one thing; that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. This is, however, nothing more than a supposed fulfilment of an ancient Jewish prophecy in Micah 5:2 describing a "ruler over Israel" being born in Bethlehem.

There is no non-biblical evidence to show that Jesus as portrayed in the Bible ever existed, let alone that he was whom the New Testament claims he was. Neither do any records exist to show who the person on whom the biblical Jesus was probably based, was.

The biblical claims and stories about Jesus, and his family, were for one purpose and one purpose alone, that of convincing the naïve, superstitious people of the 1st and 2nd centuries CE to follow the new religion of Christianity.

Brilliant input.

Workch:
There's evidence Plato existed, it's a dumb comparison.
Even if there's no evidence for Plato's existence, it's not an evidence that Jesus existed.
That's how ridiculous it is

You confuse the spellings of Socrates and Plato? You're dyslexic or something?