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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 4:42pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
NinjaMetahuman: Which best are you talking about? Liverpool forwards don't score! How else will I say this for you to get me? Full backs are still doing their job BUT the forwards can score! If TAA stopped attacking, he will not have 2 goals and 6 assists AFTER VVD left the team. The team as a whole lost form, but even at that, the full backs still contribute to attack. The forwards have majority of the blame in that slump. They just couldn't score. With VVD, Liverpool concede goals same as without him so the problem was not VVD. It's the forward players. But if you want to pin it on the defenders, the screenshot below will tell you that's its not only VVD that missed a large part of the season. No matter how you put it, VVD's absence only is not the cause of their slump.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaMetahuman: 4:44pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
timbros:nope stat didn't prove otherwise. Full season with VVd Alex had more than 20 goals contributions Robertson also pulled good numbers. Season without VVd they both had 7-6 respectively Big difference. You refused to answer, why did attackers suddenly become blunt after VVd's departure? Why did it happen right after VVd had injury? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaMetahuman: 4:47pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter:well to you sha. Gbegbe defender don't come close to wining balon Dior that's for sure. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TheLequte: 4:47pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: I disagree with this position. As the last man, you should slow down the attacker, even before he gets to the box. That is the best option. Others can nick the ball of him as they catch up. There is always strength in numbers. Every attacker will want to get into the box but none of them will run into a path where they know they will lose the ball. Getting ready and poised for such outcome will deter any attacker from going on that run. Making the tackle is way riskier. You either give the attacker a 1v1 situation if you miss the tackle, get a red card if your touch is too heavy or if you timed it right you save the day. And that is rare with fast and tricky strikers. As a defender your aim is not to quickly engage and clear danger. Your main aim is to protect the GK and stop goals. You will achieve that by delaying the striker. It’s not compulsory to do it all alone. The more the wait, the better your chances because your teammates will regroup and come back to aid you. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by swiz123(m): 4:57pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Omo!! You will make a very terrible defender Normal thing to do when your players are close by is to slow the attacker down. Kane cannot run at full speed because he would be conscious of VVD-- a reservation other southampton players don't have which gives them advantage to recover. Na simple defending 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ebukacute(m): 5:02pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
BlueMann:E be like say this man wan gamble this match... The small hype don dey enter that his stabilizer shape head. If he dare loose this match and make these scumies tears us shreds ,I will never forgive him walahi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 5:08pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter:Van Djik was acclimatizing to the PL after. coming from scotland. The most important thing here is the moment he got used to the league, he became the best defender in England and the world as a whole. Keep bringing up vids of 5-6 yrs ago. At least anything to prove you're right. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Skimpledawg(m): 5:09pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
Ebukacute:Omo, I never still fully forgive TT for losing against Leicester o. If he lost tonight, I dey go mountain for em head straight up |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 5:19pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
NinjaMetahuman: We are not arguing amount of numbers here. The numbers I pulled out is to prove to you that the full backs still attack even after VVD. You said they lost confidence and stopped going forward. If that's true, how did TAA get the goals and assists after VVD left? However meagre the numbers are is not my concern. I have used the numbers to prove to you that they still attack. @the bolded....The slump didnt happen immediately after VVD injury. VVD got injured October when they were 3rd in the log. It didn't affect them immediately. Infact Liverpool topped the table at some point till around January... Then gradually the slump started. Remember, their injury problems continued piling up and it finally caught up with them. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:20pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
kendrick93:What was he acclamatizing to here? 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:20pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Aguero was actually doing £11,960,000 annually, which is half of what could have seen Citeh leapfrog Chelsea on that chart. that counts as a key factor. But then that's not the chief reason Citeh are behind us on the payroll chart. It's the 2021/22 session, and we have all of our loanees back on our payroll, that's just it. Bakayoko is commanding £5,720,000 annually, Sarr £6,240,000, Drinkwater £5,200,000, Rahman £4,919,200, Barkley £5,000,000. Zappacosta £3,640,000. Then you have RLC, Baker, Musonda and Ampadu drawing nearly 10million pounds amongst themselves. We currently have 33 players on our payroll active roster, compared to Citeh's 25. Once we sell some of those deadwoods up there, we go balance the book and leave City's spot for them. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:23pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
TheLequte: Backing away means the attacker is advancing and getting closer into dangerous areas. The attacker is gaining in confidence able pick his spot and closer to the keeper. That is why its better to foul early and up the field The more you wait, the worse it gets for you |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 5:23pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
timbros:To chip in on this- I would say losing Van Djik meant the team was more vulnerable to counters, not just VVD but Gomez & matip also. Van Djik leadership, one on one ability, pace were crucial to the way Liverpool set up. The high line operated by klopp wasn't effective anymore cos teams could just play a long ball and they would get in behind Liverpool's backline, so in this instance Liverpool missed Van Djik aerial presence and his ability to hold & organise a high line. Don't forget also that VVD is Liverpool's best long ball passer, I couldn't count the amount of times where Van Djik would spray out a long ball to Salah or TAA and suddenly Liverpool would be up one one one in a threatening position. That variety of play was severely missed. Did Liverpool missed Van Djik last season? absolutely yes. Was he the sole reason why there season was poor? No, Van Djik and the other host of injuries combined were responsible. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:24pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
Griffon: Adding 12M of AGuero still leaves Chelsea in second and Citeh 3rd |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:25pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: Did you even read my post at all? Oga I am not TheLequte who drew up the comparisons. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TheLequte: 5:26pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: This can’t be more wrong. The defender is backing and watchful. Slowly. He’s not fleeing at full speed for the love of God. He’s slowing down the attacker so that others can catch-up and disposes him or so that he makes a mistake. Don’t look at the situation in isolation. There are more than 2 people on the field. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TheLequte: 5:27pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
Griffon: Maybe he meant to quote me. Was a bit puzzled when I saw his take addressed to you. But then it’s his opinion. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 5:27pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
Griffon: Oops! Sorry I thought I quoted Thelequte. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 5:28pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
TheLequte: Yeah...I thought I quoted Ur original post actually |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:29pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
swiz123: The best time to have stopped that attack above was when Morata was in his half, but VVD backed off Morata that was hesistant probably trying to win a cheap free kick to waste time, but the more Morata went he gained confidence and it became harder for VVD and this was what led to the goal |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 5:30pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
kendrick93: The bolded is the point many VVD supporters refuse to accept. VVD was not the only player out injured for long period. I don't know why people will say Liverpool slumped just because of VVD. Few pages ago, we see a gif of VVD vs Morata, his premium leadership quality and one on one ability and how it played out. Edith: look at the gif above sef 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 5:34pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter:Yeah, first game since a 7-8months lay off in a pre season friendly. Great point |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 5:35pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Morata's last touch (heavy touch) before he passed is the perfect opportunity for VVD to nip the ball off him. But he was busy organising traffic as the warden that he is... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by kendrick93(m): 5:37pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
timbros:A fit VVD and Liverpool challenge for the league last season. make no mistake about that |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 5:41pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
kendrick93: More like a more sharp forward line... Salah dipped form. Firmino is just being Firmino. Mane was anonymous for a large part of the season. We only started to see the lethal Mane we use to know at the tail end of the season. Jota came in firing on all cylinders then got injured. Forget VVD. Liverpool's problem was attack. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by TheLequte: 5:43pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: Okay. But how many golden boots has Henry got? And how much does Harry Kane have? Not saying one is greater than the other. Just comparing notes. Harry Kane would’ve been closer to Thierry H. if he’d moved to a top club 3-4 years ago. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:44pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
kendrick93: A fit VVD Liverpool was chopping 7-2 and in 4th position Without VVD Liverpool was able to rally back to 3rd |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:45pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Obviously, but then again, we look healthy on paper. We just need to jettison our returning loanees to reduce our wage costs. It's that simple. Na manure own worse pass, they're already doing £194,366,200. By the time dem add Varane to their payroll, they'll be sitting close to PSG on that chart. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:46pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
Griffon: Just 2 days ago, Patickmuf and larride were analyzing wage bill not knowing say na from their nyansh mess dey smell 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:48pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
BlueRayDick: The only time I get to quote wrongly is when I'm high on weed. Bro I understand |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 5:48pm On Aug 11, 2021 |
raumdeuter: Varane is hanging around, waiting to be drafted in.
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