Bishopkingsley:


God created languages and for your own mind it must be Hebrew language before you believe in the name

If that the case then you don't really know God

God is not limited by name Jesus mean Savior or God's salvation

So I can call the name God salvation come and save me then he will appear

Because only one person bears that name

We talking English here, nothing like Hebrew. Yeshua in Hebrew is ישוע same "sound" in English. Your Jesus should find his Pagan origin. You are simply a liar.

Which only one person bears what name? Ever heard of Anti Messiah? Ever heard of Satan transforming into Angel of Light? Ever heard of the One pretending to be God in the Temple of God? Your Jesus. You are far lost. Nor even know basic truth.

Ofcourse Paganism is known by many heresies. If you like call Amadioha as your God of Salvation.

calebbintus:


Nothing like "We"
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,

I only recognise your god by your profession & beliefs. If he is one who turns & bend the truth, blind, gives a fake name of salvation, was spread by voilence & deceived the whole world into accepting him, then definitely your god is the god of this world who is an enmity to the Almighty YHWH.

Watch the type of zeal you have now which you insist that your own God is the real one

If you have opportunity to hurt those who refuse to accept your theory you would have

Because you refuse to see the truth so you blame others for using violence in the past while your heart is bent on using it if you have the opportunity lol

calebbintus:


We talking English here, nothing like Hebrew. Yeshua in Hebrew is ישוע same "sound" in English. Your Jesus should find his Pagan origin. You are simply a liar.

Which only one person bears what name? Ever heard of Anti Messiah? Ever heard of Satan transforming into Angel of Light? Ever heard of the One pretending to be God in the Temple of God? Your Jesus. You are far lost. Nor even know basic truth.

Ofcourse Paganism is known by many heresies. If you like call Amadioha as your God of Salvation.

Which Bible or Quran do you believe in

Bishopkingsley:


Watch the type of zeal you have now which you insist that your own God is the real one

If you have opportunity to hurt those who refuse to accept your theory you would have

Because you refuse to see the truth so you blame others for using violence in the past while your heart is bent on using it if you have the opportunity lol

Anyone who sees false teachers like you & is silent is dangerous. It was speaking out against false teachers like you that got the Early Apostles & Yeshua killed. And we will keep speaking out. If it breeds hatred in you, that's your true nature.

calebbintus:


Anyone who sees false teachers like you & is silent is dangerous. It was speaking out against false teachers like you that got the Early Apostles & Yeshua killed. And we will keep speaking out. If it breeds hatred in you, that's your true nature.

Funny I can't hate you I can only pray for you just like our early father Stephen prayed for those who killed him

He prayed to Jesus to forgive them because they don't know what they do

That the same prayer I pray for you

Bishopkingsley:


Which Bible or Quran do you believe in

What a question. Obviously you have no relationship even with your Jesus. Any book that does not point to YHWH & Yeshua is off point. It amazes you all how people still find the truth & way to Yeshua & YHWH after all the alterations your forefathers did to the holy scriptures. May it keep amazing you all. You creators and spreaders of the Anti Christ

calebbintus:


What a question. Obviously you have no relationship even with your Jesus. Any book that does not point to YHWH & Yeshua is off point. It amazes you all how people still find the truth & way to Yeshua & YHWH after all the alterations your forefathers did to the holy scriptures. May it keep amazing you all. You creators and spreaders of the Anti Christ

May God forgive you and bring you to the knowledge of Christ

Bishopkingsley:


May God forgive you and bring you to the knowledge of Christ

Reserve your prayers. You need it more. I have no need for the deceit you call knowledge of the Anti Christ. Deceitful Knowledge like Rapture, How Great Tribulation & the Beast are things to come when meanwhile you all bear the mark of the Beast Already. A mark of disobedience to God's Commandment. The same strategy he used for the old Jews. A pity

Bishopkingsley:


May God forgive you and bring you to the knowledge of Christ

I advise you to present yourself humble for knowledge & be born again. The mark on you & Christians is a dangerous one.

calebbintus:


Reserve your prayers. You need it more. I have no need for the deceit you call knowledge of the Anti Christ. Deceitful Knowledge like Rapture, How Great Tribulation & the Beast are things to come when meanwhile you all bear the mark of the Beast Already. A mark of disobedience to God's Commandment. The same strategy he used for the old Jews. A pity

May God give you love and peace to understand Jesus

Bishopkingsley:


May God give you love and peace to understand Jesus

I don't do all this because of you. (The moment you give yourself Bishop, it's clear who you serve & far lost. Men of titles & godlessness. But for the people that will someday see this. Even if it is One or Two. May God help you all readers.

calebbintus:


I don't do all this because of you. (The moment you give yourself Bishop, it's clear who you serve & far lost. Men of titles & godlessness. But for the people that will someday see this. Even if it is One or Two. May God help you all readers.

You are too late
Over one billion people believe in Jesus
So you came to late with your false doctrines

God will heal you

Bishopkingsley:


You are too late
Over one billion people believe in Jesus
So you came to late with your false doctrines

God will heal you

2 billion plus actually. It has always been like that from the beginning & always will be. Broad is the way to hell. Narrow to the Father. Only 8 souls saved in flood.

calebbintus:


2 billion plus actually. It has always been like that from the beginning & always will be. Broad is the way to hell. Narrow to the Father. Only 8 souls saved in flood.

Oh over two billion that impressive

Jesus death was not in vain

Bishopkingsley:


Yes the most important thing is to be holy

Now the secret rapture means Jesus will come second time to take people away before coming the third time to destroy the world which is not what the bible says


Jesus next coming is going to be his second coming and that when the trumpet will sound

You need to read the Bible to understand the truth

Those who preach second and third coming of Jesus say that if you miss the second coming then you can save yourself by your own blood if you refuse to take the 666, how can you actually accept this evil doctrine

Stand up for the truth even if holiness is the main thing

Can I ask you? Look at the highlighted paragraph. So, how do you explain 666? What does it mean? Does it exist? And what is your right explanation if the highlighted part is wrong?

PeaceJoyLove:


Can I ask you? Look at the highlighted paragraph. So, how do you explain 666? What does it mean? Does it exist? And what is your right explanation if the highlighted part is wrong?

Protestants apologists have claimed that Revelation 13:18 refers to the papacy as the enemy of the true faith. His title, they say, is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God).

Using the value of Roman numerals, the sum of the letters in that title is 666.
Here’s how the calculation works. As in Greek and Hebrew, some Latin letters are used for numbers. “I” = 1; “V” = 5; “X” = 10; “L” = 50; “C” = 100; “D” = 500; “M” = 1000.

Letters that have no numerical value are to be ignored in calculating the numerical significance of a name.

The letter “U” is treated as “V.” Since there is no “W” in Latin, it is rendered as “VV.”
The Latin title Vicarius Filii Dei, then, would be VICARIVS FILII DEI.

Now apply this numbering scheme to it. You get these numbers: 5 (V) + 1 (I) + 100 (C) + 1 (I) + 5 (V) + 1 (I) + 50 (L) + 1 (I); + 1 (I) + 500 (D) + 1 (I). The total is 666.

Therefore, according to these anti-Catholic apologists, Scripture plainly identifies the pope as one of the two beasts who tried to destroy the true faith.

To unwind all this, start with the fact that Vicarius Filii Dei is not the pope’s title. It is never used in any official Church document. His title is “Vicar of Christ” (Vicarius Christi), which according to the scheme given above adds up to 214.

The pope has other titles: Servus Servorum Dei (Servant of the Servants of God), Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff), Successor Petri (Successor of Peter). None come even close to adding up to 666.

Incidentally, this false or true identification of the beast in Revelation 13:18 with the pope has often been made in Seventh-Day Adventist literature.

Suppose we were to apply this numbering scheme to the name of the founder of the Adventists. Her name was Ellen Gould White. Her name in Latin adds up to 666.

According to Adventist logic, then, must we conclude that the founder of their denomination is “the beast”?

So one thing is thy beast is going to come from the temple of God
He or she is going to be from a great church probably in Europe

So the beast institution church is already here we are just waiting for the church leader who is going to declare himself equal to God and say blasphemous things too then he or she will be the one so

The main thing is that the man with the number 666 is going to be identified before Jesus comes

I already told you that highlighted part is an evil doctrine which is wrong and not what the scripture teaches

Bishopkingsley:


Protestants apologists have claimed that Revelation 13:18 refers to the papacy as the enemy of the true faith. His title, they say, is Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God).

Using the value of Roman numerals, the sum of the letters in that title is 666.
Here’s how the calculation works. As in Greek and Hebrew, some Latin letters are used for numbers. “I” = 1; “V” = 5; “X” = 10; “L” = 50; “C” = 100; “D” = 500; “M” = 1000.

Letters that have no numerical value are to be ignored in calculating the numerical significance of a name.

The letter “U” is treated as “V.” Since there is no “W” in Latin, it is rendered as “VV.”
The Latin title Vicarius Filii Dei, then, would be VICARIVS FILII DEI.

Now apply this numbering scheme to it. You get these numbers: 5 (V) + 1 (I) + 100 (C) + 1 (I) + 5 (V) + 1 (I) + 50 (L) + 1 (I); + 1 (I) + 500 (D) + 1 (I). The total is 666.

Therefore, according to these anti-Catholic apologists, Scripture plainly identifies the pope as one of the two beasts who tried to destroy the true faith.

To unwind all this, start with the fact that Vicarius Filii Dei is not the pope’s title. It is never used in any official Church document. His title is “Vicar of Christ” (Vicarius Christi), which according to the scheme given above adds up to 214.

The pope has other titles: Servus Servorum Dei (Servant of the Servants of God), Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff), Successor Petri (Successor of Peter). None come even close to adding up to 666.

Incidentally, this false or true identification of the beast in Revelation 13:18 with the pope has often been made in Seventh-Day Adventist literature.

Suppose we were to apply this numbering scheme to the name of the founder of the Adventists. Her name was Ellen Gould White. Her name in Latin adds up to 666.

According to Adventist logic, then, must we conclude that the founder of their denomination is “the beast”?

So one thing is thy beast is going to come from the temple of God
He or she is going to be from a great church probably in Europe

So the best institution is already here we are just waiting for the church leader who is going to declare himself equal to God and say blasphemous things too then he or she will be the one so

The main thing is that the man with the number 666 is going to be identified before Jesus comes

I already told you that highlighted part is an evil doctrine which is wrong and not what the scripture teaches

Professor Andreas Helwig did the calculation first. I was about asking if you are an Adventist. Quite interesting about the total sum of Elen White's letters. Lol. And I like how you quickly said it doesnt mean she was the anti Christ. After all, she is dead. So, she is ruled out.

You have said so much about Protestants. You have refuted enough. No, support your own claim. You ha e shown why protestants might be wrong. Show proofs your claim is right.

Look at the highlighted part. What are your proofs he is coming from Europe? Kindly show it clearly here. After all, Rome is Europe too. Is Italy not Europe? What exactly are you saying?

Bishopkingsley:


Whom do you think is going to be the Antichrist

Well sir,
Just as you have stated that the Bible is the answer-book, I too believe it to be that. It's not what I think, but what the Bible states. My opinion means "0".
Let me say this first:
I am not trying to attack sincere Catholics who are trying to worship God as best as they know how.
I have family members who are Catholic.
I am, however, speaking about a system...an institution that is directly contrary in the majority of its teachings...which directly oppose the scriptures.
I have to speak the truth here....an extremely unpopular truth. One that will make me even more disliked than I already am, but I am compelled to say this.
The AntiChrist is the pope....has always been and will always be until the Lord's second coming. It is he whom Revelation speaks about.

Protestants, throughout early history knew this and plainly stated it. The "reformers" knew....which was the crux of the Protestant Reformation-- to return to the scriptures of God and not "man".
Sola Scriptura...
The Bible is very plain and gives answers if we truly want to know through sincere prayer and study.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV)

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

PeaceJoyLove:


Professor Andreas Helwig did the calculation first. I was about asking if you are an Adventist. Quite interesting about the total sum of Elen White's letters. Lol. And I like how you quickly said it doesnt mean she was the anti Christ. After all, she is dead. So, she is ruled out.

You have said so much about Protestants. You have refuted enough. No, support your own claim. You ha e shown why protestants might be wrong. Show proofs your claim is right.

Look at the highlighted part. What are your proofs he is coming from Europe? Kindly show it clearly here. After all, Rome is Europe too. Is Italy not Europe? What exactly are you saying?

I believe in some of Adventist, Protestants, catholic etc teachings but I refuse to believe on any teaching that is hostile to the word of God

As a Bible student you must not cage your self to the doctrine of your church when ever they are wrong on a specific aspect of the Bible

For example Adventist, believe Jesus is angel Michael which is not what the bible says but Adventist, equally are very good on prophesy interpretation their teachings on this area is all most very accurate and well researched


Protestants. Like penticostals are very good in the truth on who Jesus is he is God and the Holy Spirit is equally God the trinity is real scriptures proves it their only flaw is believing the two part coming of Christ which not all Protestants or penticostals actually believe because they now identify the papacy or European union leader as the Antichrist to be


Catholic got the trinity doctrine correct too the part they fail is on idolizing dead Saint

The truth is God is still working with all this different churches read revelation to see seven different churches not actually doing what was perfect and God is still with them wanting to bring them to perfection

Now back to the Antichrist
Note Antichrist is not just a person it going to be an institution which the leader is Going to reveal himself at some point and when you calculate the name of the leader name it is going to be total of 666


So just because the leader of Adventist is dead you don't know who the next leader of Adventist, if his total name is going to sum up to 666 so as you look at if the papacy is going to be the Antichrist also be looking at the Adventist, leader if it is going to be him and equally be on the look out for other church leaders too

Now people who insist that it must be the papacy are making a mistake because it might be from any church because at least catholic actually gave birth to all other churches

***Prove he is coming from Europe *******''

As chapter 7 begins, Daniel sees four beasts coming up out of the sea. In prophecy, what does a beast represent? What does the sea represent?
“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).
“The waters ... are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15).

Answer: A beast represents a kingdom or nation. Water represents multitudes of people or large populations.

The Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom, is represented by a powerful monster with iron teeth and 10 horns (Daniel 7:7). What do the horns represent?

Answer: The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41–44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman Empire and carved out land niches for their people. Seven of those 10 tribes developed into the countries of modern Western Europe, while three were “uprooted” and destroyed. The next section will discuss those kingdoms that were rooted up.

Visigoths - Spain

Anglo-Saxons - England

Franks - France

Alemani - Germany

Burgundians - Switzerland

Lombards - Italy

Suevi - Portugal

Heruli - Rooted up

Ostrogoths - Rooted up

Vandals - Rooted up

In the Daniel 7 prophecy, what happens next?
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8.. ).

Answer: The “little horn” power appears next. We must identify it carefully because the biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.

Does the Bible give clear points identifying antichrist?
Yes. God’s Word gives us nine characteristics of the antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some might find these truths painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will. Now let’s discover these nine points.

Answer:
A. The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8.. ). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8.. ).

C. It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8.. ).

D. It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

E. It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8.. ).

G. God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

H. It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

I. It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy or a great church leader from Rome or Europe it equally Point to an European union leader .


Finally any church institution fit this point above not only catholic because all most all churches came out from catholic

Don't cage your mind into thinking it only going to be the papacy

One thing is sure it going to be from Europe

Eviana:


Well sir,
Just as you have stated that the Bible is the answer-book, I too believe it to be that. It's not what I think, but what the Bible states. My opinion means "0".
Let me say this first:
I am not trying to attack sincere Catholics who are trying to worship God as best as they know how.
I have family members who are Catholic.
I am, however, speaking about a system...an institution that is directly contrary in the majority of its teachings...which directly oppose the scriptures.
I have to speak the truth here....an extremely unpopular truth. One that will make me even more disliked than I already am, but I am compelled to say this.
The AntiChrist is the pope....has always been and will always be until the Lord's second coming. It is he whom Revelation speaks about.
Protestants, throughout early history knew this and plainly stated it. The "reformers" knew....which was the crux of the Protestant Reformation-- to return to the scriptures of God and not "man".
Sola Scriptura...
The Bible is very plain and gives answers if we truly want to know through sincere prayer and study.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV)

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

I believe in some of Adventist, Protestants, catholic etc teachings but I refuse to believe on any teaching that is hostile to the word of God

As a Bible student you must not cage your self to the doctrine of your church when ever they are wrong on a specific aspect of the Bible

For example Adventist, believe Jesus is angel Michael which is not what the bible says but Adventist, equally are very good on prophesy interpretation their teachings on this area is all most very accurate and well researched


Protestants. Like penticostals are very good in the truth on who Jesus is he is God and the Holy Spirit is equally God the trinity is real scriptures proves it their only flaw is believing the two part coming of Christ which not all Protestants or penticostals actually believe because they now identify the papacy or European union leader as the Antichrist to be


Catholic got the trinity doctrine correct too the part they fail is on idolizing dead Saint

The truth is God is still working with all this different churches read revelation to see seven different churches not actually doing what was perfect and God is still with them wanting to bring them to perfection

Now back to the Antichrist
Note Antichrist is not just a person it going to be an institution which the leader is Going to reveal himself at some point and when you calculate the name of the leader name it is going to be total of 666


So just because the leader of Adventist is dead you don't know who the next leader of Adventist, if his total name is going to sum up to 666 so as you look at if the papacy is going to be the Antichrist also be looking at the Adventist, leader if it is going to be him and equally be on the look out for other church leaders too

Now people who insist that it must be the papacy are making a mistake because it might be from any church because at least catholic actually gave birth to all other churches

***Prove he is coming from Europe *******''

As chapter 7 begins, Daniel sees four beasts coming up out of the sea. In prophecy, what does a beast represent? What does the sea represent?
“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).
“The waters ... are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15).

Answer: A beast represents a kingdom or nation. Water represents multitudes of people or large populations.

The Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom, is represented by a powerful monster with iron teeth and 10 horns (Daniel 7:7). What do the horns represent?

Answer: The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41–44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman Empire and carved out land niches for their people. Seven of those 10 tribes developed into the countries of modern Western Europe, while three were “uprooted” and destroyed. The next section will discuss those kingdoms that were rooted up.

Visigoths - Spain

Anglo-Saxons - England

Franks - France

Alemani - Germany

Burgundians - Switzerland

Lombards - Italy

Suevi - Portugal

Heruli - Rooted up

Ostrogoths - Rooted up

Vandals - Rooted up

In the Daniel 7 prophecy, what happens next?
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8.. ).

Answer: The “little horn” power appears next. We must identify it carefully because the biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.

Does the Bible give clear points identifying antichrist?
Yes. God’s Word gives us nine characteristics of the antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some might find these truths painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will. Now let’s discover these nine points.

Answer:
A. The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8.. ). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8.. ).

C. It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8.. ).

D. It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

E. It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8.. ).

G. God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

H. It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

I. It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy or a great church leader from Rome or Europe it equally Point to an European union leader .


Finally any church institution fit this point above not only catholic because all most all churches came out from catholic

Don't cage your mind into thinking it only going to be the papacy

One thing is sure it going to be from Europe

Eviana:


Well sir,
Just as you have stated that the Bible is the answer-book, I too believe it to be that. It's not what I think, but what the Bible states. My opinion means "0".
Let me say this first:
I am not trying to attack sincere Catholics who are trying to worship God as best as they know how.
I have family members who are Catholic.
I am, however, speaking about a system...an institution that is directly contrary in the majority of its teachings...which directly oppose the scriptures.
I have to speak the truth here....an extremely unpopular truth. One that will make me even more disliked than I already am, but I am compelled to say this.
The AntiChrist is the pope....has always been and will always be until the Lord's second coming. It is he whom Revelation speaks about.
Protestants, throughout early history knew this and plainly stated it. The "reformers" knew....which was the crux of the Protestant Reformation-- to return to the scriptures of God and not "man".
Sola Scriptura...
The Bible is very plain and gives answers if we truly want to know through sincere prayer and study.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV)

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

Don't wrap your mind up totally that it must definitely be the papacy

Because as you look at only one direction it might actually be from your own beloved church

Be on the look out for that too

Eviana:


Well sir,
Just as you have stated that the Bible is the answer-book, I too believe it to be that. It's not what I think, but what the Bible states. My opinion means "0".
Let me say this first:
I am not trying to attack sincere Catholics who are trying to worship God as best as they know how.
I have family members who are Catholic.
I am, however, speaking about a system...an institution that is directly contrary in the majority of its teachings...which directly oppose the scriptures.
I have to speak the truth here....an extremely unpopular truth. One that will make me even more disliked than I already am, but I am compelled to say this.
The AntiChrist is the pope....has always been and will always be until the Lord's second coming. It is he whom Revelation speaks about.
Protestants, throughout early history knew this and plainly stated it. The "reformers" knew....which was the crux of the Protestant Reformation-- to return to the scriptures of God and not "man".
Sola Scriptura...
The Bible is very plain and gives answers if we truly want to know through sincere prayer and study.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV)

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

Since you had family members who are catholic, you must know more. I guess, you used to be a catholic. I would love to know more about the system you are talking about. I know the leaders of catholic in Rome are not straight forward, but I haven't taking time to really reseach it all cos I didnt allow it bother me. But maybe it's time to look into it well. I know you will not speak further on this issue publicly, so, a private talk? This is important for me.

Bishopkingsley:


Don't wrap your mind up totally that it must definitely be the papacy

Because as you look at only one direction it might actually be from your own beloved church

Be on the look out for that too

If she decides to go and and give more details here, please, don't attack her. She will not insult you like the other guy above. Just point out what you believe in and what you do not. She knows some things which might help you in your faith too. Let us learn here. I really need to read her own view. And if she doesnt continue here, it's ok.

Bishopkingsley:



I believe in some of Adventist, Protestants, catholic etc teachings but I refuse to believe on any teaching that is hostile to the word of God

As a Bible student you must not cage your self to the doctrine of your church when ever they are wrong on a specific aspect of the Bible

For example Adventist, believe Jesus is angel Michael which is not what the bible says but Adventist, equally are very good on prophesy interpretation their teachings on this area is all most very accurate and well researched


Protestants. Like penticostals are very good in the truth on who Jesus is he is God and the Holy Spirit is equally God the trinity is real scriptures proves it their only flaw is believing the two part coming of Christ which not all Protestants or penticostals actually believe because they now identify the papacy or European union leader as the Antichrist to be


Catholic got the trinity doctrine correct too the part they fail is on idolizing dead Saint

The truth is God is still working with all this different churches read revelation to see seven different churches not actually doing what was perfect and God is still with them wanting to bring them to perfection

Now back to the Antichrist
Note Antichrist is not just a person it going to be an institution which the leader is Going to reveal himself at some point and when you calculate the name of the leader name it is going to be total of 666


So just because the leader of Adventist is dead you don't know who the next leader of Adventist, if his total name is going to sum up to 666 so as you look at if the papacy is going to be the Antichrist also be looking at the Adventist, leader if it is going to be him and equally be on the look out for other church leaders too

Now people who insist that it must be the papacy are making a mistake because it might be from any church because at least catholic actually gave birth to all other churches

***Prove he is coming from Europe *******''

As chapter 7 begins, Daniel sees four beasts coming up out of the sea. In prophecy, what does a beast represent? What does the sea represent?
“The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23).
“The waters ... are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15).

Answer: A beast represents a kingdom or nation. Water represents multitudes of people or large populations.

The Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom, is represented by a powerful monster with iron teeth and 10 horns (Daniel 7:7). What do the horns represent?

Answer: The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41–44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman Empire and carved out land niches for their people. Seven of those 10 tribes developed into the countries of modern Western Europe, while three were “uprooted” and destroyed. The next section will discuss those kingdoms that were rooted up.

Visigoths - Spain

Anglo-Saxons - England

Franks - France

Alemani - Germany

Burgundians - Switzerland

Lombards - Italy

Suevi - Portugal

Heruli - Rooted up

Ostrogoths - Rooted up

Vandals - Rooted up

In the Daniel 7 prophecy, what happens next?
“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8.. ).

Answer: The “little horn” power appears next. We must identify it carefully because the biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.

Does the Bible give clear points identifying antichrist?
Yes. God’s Word gives us nine characteristics of the antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some might find these truths painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will. Now let’s discover these nine points.

Answer:
A. The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8.. ). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8.. ).

C. It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8.. ).

D. It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

E. It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8.. ).

G. God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

H. It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

I. It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy or a great church leader from Rome or Europe it equally Point to an European union leader .


Finally any church institution fit this point above not only catholic because all most all churches came out from catholic

Don't cage your mind into thinking it only going to be the papacy

One thing is sure it going to be from Europe

I need to attend to some stuff. You have just put down some issues here I need to read again. I will have some questions for you later on today.

PeaceJoyLove:

Since you had family members who are catholic, you must know more. I guess, you used to be a catholic. I would love to know more about the system you are talking about. I know the leaders of catholic in Rome are not straight forward, but I haven't taking time to really reseach it all cos I didnt allow it bother me. But maybe it's time to look into it well. I know you will not speak further on this issue publicly, so, a private talk? This is important for me.


If she decides to go and and give more details here, please, don't attack her. She will not insult you like the other guy above. Just point out what you believe in and what you do not. She knows some things which might help you in your faith too. Let us learn here. I really need to read her own view. And if she doesnt continue here, it's ok.

please, don't attack her.

Funny I have never attacked anyone for their beliefs and I won't think about it now lol

People can believe what they want
I am only letting people know what the bible actually says

Now on the part of Antichrist
It can be from any church that is the main point

As your church is pointing to another church be on the lookout because the Antichrist may actually be from your own church

Before Jesus came scholars were pointing he would be a king what eventually happened he came through as a servant


Let not get caught up in the vibe of what our church teaches and thereby over look them from actually being the true Antichrist the scripture is referring to.

Bishopkingsley:

...
For example Adventist, believe Jesus is angel Michael which is not what the bible says but Adventist, equally are very good on prophesy interpretation their teachings on this area is all most very accurate and well researched
...

I saw this paragraph, and I was shocked this morning. I had this debate with some Jehovah witness guys some weeks ago. Wow! And I researched and got this:
https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/is-michael-another-name-for-jesus/

Bro! Bro! Bro! Thank you so much. Ha! I have been searching about the Adventists, and you have helped me so much. Wow. I will say again Wow!

Jesus is angel Michael? And funny it is just comparison of some things and the conclusion of what their leaders say they take. Wow! Wow! Wow! No wonder people say they are cultists. Hmmm!

Bro! I am a believer of the word. Screw religious leaders who came up with conclusion of their own and are misleading many. I am someone who reads and use my brain. How can Jesus be Michael? Wow!

See eh! I am the one who said you should not attack that lady cos I know she is an Adventist. A beg, please, a dey commot this thread ooo cos she is a sensitive person. And I dont want wahala. But I am just amazed that the Adventist too said Jesus is Micheal. If I had considered to attend that church at any point in my life, this that I know today is the answer. Capital letter NO to 7th Day Adventist. I must speak the truth too. Even the private talk...a no need am again. A no wan hear Jesus is Micheal and any explanation rating to that cos I know it is false.

Jesus is Michael? Wow!

PeaceJoyLove:


I saw this paragraph, and I was shocked this morning. I had this debate with some Jehovah witness guys some weeks ago. Wow! And I researched and got this:
https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/is-michael-another-name-for-jesus/

Bro! Bro! Bro! Thank you so much. Ha! I have been searching about the Adventists, and you have helped me so much. Wow. I will say again Wow!

Jesus is angel Michael? And funny it is just comparison of some things and the conclusion of what their leaders say they take. Wow! Wow! Wow! No wonder people say they are cultists. Hmmm!

Bro! I am a believer of the word. Screw religious leaders who came up with conclusion of their own and are misleading many. I am someone who reads and use my brain. How can Jesus be Michael? Wow!

See eh! I am the one who said you should not attack that lady cos I know she is an Adventist. A beg, please, a dey commot this thread ooo cos she is a sensitive person. And I dont want wahala. But I am just amazed that the Adventist too said Jesus is Micheal. If I had considered to attend that church at any point in my life, this that I know today is the answer. Capital letter NO to 7th Day Adventist. I must speak the truth too. Even the private talk...a no need am again. A no wan hear Jesus is Micheal and any explanation rating to that cos I know it is false.

Jesus is Michael? Wow!

See eh! I am the one who said you should not attack that lady cos I know she is an Adventist. A beg, please, a dey commot this thread ooo

Answer

you are wrong to assume I would attack any one

Do I look like an evil person to you
Try to develop self control because I have self control I don't abuse or attack people stop saying this type of things

If she believes Jesus is angel it her choice but it won't change the truth in the Bible that Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is God

Learn to stand firm for God without abusing those who don't know who Jesus is

If she is sensitive Bible does not work by emotion rather by the word of God

Note that they don't believe in Jesus or holy spirit does not mean God does not use them in the way he chooses

As time goes by God will reveal to those whom he called among them and show them who Jesus really is

Nothing is hard for God

Bishopkingsley:


Don't wrap your mind up totally that it must definitely be the papacy

Because as you look at only one direction it might actually be from your own beloved church

Be on the look out for that too

I just realized something here. However I'll "play along." Except the following that I am writing is no joke.

Your reaction is "spot on" what I knew it would be.
You have turned a thread that was supposed to be centered on the questioning of the validity of a "secret rapture" to now once again an attack on a particular denomination.

This leads me to believe the obvious....which I will not state.

Sir, you asked a question.
I gave you the answer.
If you didn't want the truth, you shouldn't have asked me....with all due respect.

No amount of disparaging, attacking, discrediting or falsifying a denomination and me, will change what is written in the Word of God regarding the AntiChrist/beast system.

By the way, a history recap would do you very well. Oftentimes, history validates what is in the Bible.
You keep writing about Europe and a system, the answer was given, but you refuse to accept it because of who said it. I pray the scales fall from your eyes.

Also, I hope you understand that John the "Revelator" , the disciple whom Jesus loved, wrote the prophetic endtime book of Revelation inspired under the Spirit of God. Ellen Gould White, God's messenger whom you continue to attack, was not even alive during that time. Please do a history recap...
As I told the other gentlemen on a thread of mine (who is now on this thread) that I will not defend nor debate many false attacks against my denomination, I will not do so with you as well.

As I exit this thread, I pray that you not allow a prideful, arrogant and haughty spirit to block you from understanding the Book of Revelation. Your issue is with God---not me.
I still stand and agree with your initial topic of your thread here that there is no "secret rapture".
Learn to practice maturity....please.

You be blessed...

Bishopkingsley:


See eh! I am the one who said you should not attack that lady cos I know she is an Adventist. A beg, please, a dey commot this thread ooo

Answer

you are wrong to assume I would attack any one

Do I look like an evil person to you
Try to develop self control because I have self control I don't abuse or attack people stop saying this type of things

If she believes Jesus is angel it her choice but it won't change the truth in the Bible that Jesus is the word of God and the word of God is God

Learn to stand firm for God without abusing those who don't know who Jesus is

If she is sensitive Bible does not work by emotion rather by the word of God

Note that they don't believe in Jesus or holy spirit does not mean God does not use them in the way he chooses

As time goes by God will reveal to those whom he called among them and show them who Jesus really is

Nothing is hard for God

If you feel bad I said you should not attack her, then, I apologize. I didnt mean it that way. I saw one guy seriously dragging issues with you up there. And those words you used there were strong too. I guess you need the self control you advised here also. All I want is to get what I need to know, and I needed to avoid unnecessary arguments. I dont know how you look, and I dont assume you are evil. But I know the lady well, and I dont want any confusion.

Why would I abuse anyone who doesn't know who Jesus is? Bro, I dont do such. Well, I slam and will continue to slam disrespectful people. Thats me, and since this is what Nairaland culture is about. I slam and I quit.

I dont abuse cos they don't know Jesus, but I slam when necessary. I guess the man who was dragging issues with you above, you did what you had to do. Jesus slammed the Pharisees too.

My personal opinion is that I will not listen to anyone who says Jesus is Michael. That's it. It doesnt mean I hate the person or I love attacking anyone. I'm just saying my faith and believe. Why not? The person can state his or her own too.

Of course, I believe God can use anyone. The most important is that they have salvation. That's it. But instead of trying to listen to what I know is false and developing headache from such talk and debate, I will rather walk away after stating my mind. It is why I said that I'm quitting this thread cos I have seen what i need to see.

I was seriously looking at the Adventist to know who they are. Sharing this with me answered my question of 3 years. I dont hate anyone cos of his or her faith. That is the business of the person with God.

I understand that God can show Himself to anyone. Maybe you really dont know me well. But, there are issues I have learned to just avoid. This is one. Anyone that says Jesus is Michael, I just do not want to hear anything further again from the source. That's it.

Bro...thanks. will look more into some of your write ups. You made sense in many things in this thread. And I respect this.

May God continue to strengthen you. And where the wisdom is coming out from, God will replace it more.

Amen!

Eviana:


I just realized something here. However I'll "play along." Except the following that I am writing is no joke.

Your reaction is "spot on" what I knew it would be.
You have turned a thread that was supposed to be centered on the questioning of the validity of a "secret rapture" to now once again an attack on a particular denomination.

This leads me to believe the obvious....which I will not state.

Sir, you asked a question.
I gave you the answer.
If you didn't want the truth, you shouldn't have asked me....with all due respect.

No amount of disparaging, attacking, discrediting or falsifying a denomination and me, will change what is written in the Word of God regarding the AntiChrist/beast system.

By the way, a history recap would do you very well. Oftentimes, history validates what is in the Bible.
You keep writing about Europe and a system, the answer was given, but you refuse to accept it because of who said it. I pray the scales fall from your eyes.

Also, I hope you understand that John the "Revelator" , the disciple whom Jesus loved, wrote the prophetic endtime book of Revelation inspired under the Spirit of God. Ellen Gould White, God's messenger whom you continue to attack, was not even alive during that time. Please do a history recap...
As I told the other gentlemen on a thread of mine (who is now on this thread) that I will not defend nor debate many false attacks against my denomination, I will not do so with you as well.

As I exit this thread, I pray that you not allow a prideful, arrogant and haughty spirit to block you from understanding the Book of Revelation. Your issue is with God---not me.
I still stand and agree with your initial topic of your thread here that there is no "secret rapture".
Learn to practice maturity....please.

You be blessed...

You have turned a thread that was supposed to be centered on the questioning of the validity of a "secret rapture" to now once again an attack on a particular denomination.

Answer
Dear Eviana

You got it totally wrong
Read my write up
You will see I mentioned
Adventists
Protestants
Penticostals
Even catholic

You only chose to pick your own church and think I attack them which is wrong

I equally pointed out the mistakes of other denomination if you looked at the post very well

Some catholics get emotional when you reveal to them that they idolize dead Saint

That the same way Adventist cry when you tell them they insult Jesus by calling him an angel

I equally said penticostals believe in the fake teachings of the secret rapture which many penticostals are now seeing it actually a faulty message and they now believe it a last day event

So I did not attack only one section I dealt with all sections to bring people to the knowledge of Christ

PeaceJoyLove:

If you feel bad I said you should not attack her, then, I apologize. I didnt mean it that way. I saw one guy seriously dragging issues with you up there. And those words you used there were strong too. I guess you need the self control you advised here also. All I want is to get what I need to know, and I needed to avoid unnecessary arguments. I dont know how you look, and I dont assume you are evil. But I know the lady well, and I dont want any confusion.

Why would I abuse anyone who doesn't know who Jesus is? Bro, I dont do such. Well, I slam and will continue to slam disrespectful people. Thats me, and since this is what Nairaland culture is about. I slam and I quit.

I dont abuse cos they don't know Jesus, but I slam when necessary. I guess the man who was dragging issues with you above, you did what you had to do. Jesus slammed the Pharisees too.

My personal opinion is that I will not listen to anyone who says Jesus is Michael. That's it. It doesnt mean I hate the person or I love attacking anyone. I'm just saying my faith and believe. Why not? The person can state his or her own too.

Of course, I believe God can use anyone. The most important is that they have salvation. That's it. But instead of trying to listen to what I know is false and developing headache from such talk and debate, I will rather walk away after stating my mind. It is why I said that I'm quitting this thread cos I have seen what i need to see.

I was seriously looking at the Adventist to know who they are. Sharing this with me answered my question of 3 years. I dont hate anyone cos of his or her faith. That is the business of the person with God.

I understand that God can show Himself to anyone. Maybe you really dont know me well. But, there are issues I have learned to just avoid. This is one. Anyone that says Jesus is Michael, I just do not want to hear anything further again from the source. That's it.

Bro...thanks. will look more into some of your write ups. You made sense in many things in this thread. And I respect this.

May God continue to strengthen you. And where the wisdom is coming out from, God will replace it more.

Amen!

Thank you for your thoughtful response

But

Can you show me or copy the place

Since you said...... 'And those words you used there were strong too."

Show me my words that were strong

Bishopkingsley:


Thank you for your thoughtful response

But

Can you show me or copy the place

Since you said...... 'And those words you used there were strong too."

Show me my words that were strong

I will write generally here instead of doing what you want me to do for the sake of clearing some issues.

Let's leave it like this. OK? I did not even know the lady will also quit. But I wrote that I was quiting so she doesnt start writing we ganged up against her cos that's her usual style which eventually did...lol. It was the reason I wanted a private talk with her. Really, I know private talk with her is a better option, but I dont need it again since I know Michael is her Jesus. But what I dont get is that they still believe in Trinity, while Jehovah Witnesses who are pushing the doctrine too dont believe in Trinity

Anyway, like you said, God can use them. Saying Michael is Jesus or not does not stop anyone from making heaven, likewise believing or disbelieving the so called secret rapture. Of course, there are angles I can tackle you too. I dont necessarily agree with you; however, doing it is not profitable.

Trinity is so hard to tackle too cos I know that Jehovah witnesses have really tried on that subject. And the way they exposed Catholic with a particular verse usedaq to defend Trinity is epic.

I am like you. I scrutinize things very well. I know all denominations have errors in their doctrines. But frankly speaking, I like discussing with intellectuals. This is one reason I dont like talking with the lady. She is too smart for herself. Wanting to look so humble, innocent, and Christ like while posting here, but hmmmmm...let's leave the story. There is no need to go add to it. I just want to avoid unnecessary bad emotion.

Any christian who cannot accept that his or hers is not the best is a dangerous one. This Micheal - Jesus is just using human brain to conclude. I cannot take it. I know your thread is not about Michael but it is huge for me to know that the Advetists too support it. Wow!

Also, Reno Omokri is trying to say something recently - that it is wrong to pray to Jesus. Now I am really trying to research it also. And it has to do with Trinity. I will never take the words of the leaders of my church just like that. Never again. Many people take the doctrines of their church so much more than the Bible.

I will talk to the Adventists just based on their diet which I am researching too. But a beg, let them stop it at that. If they try to push in more than I ask, I will slam the door in their faces. I just dont want to hear negativity. This is what I believe in. They are in the category of Jehovah Witness in my world from today. I dont hate them, but I will not permit anyone force his or her man made doctrines on me or brainwash me to believe their way of life. What I know is beneficial in what they do I will ask. If they are ready to share, fine. But if they decide not to share cos they want to force other believes of theirs on me, the door is opened for them to leave. If not, they will hear what they dont bargain for. This is me, this is my life.

Lastly, there is no need to correct any adult. An adult who has chosen to believe what he or she wants to is entitled to. The Bible says we should correct. And I believe since one cannot correct an adult, the way to do it is to use our actions and words. Say the truth and leave. No need to pamper the adult or think debating can change the person. I debate to bring the truth out even for others to see, and not for the person debating with me to believe me. Most are adults here. You are an adult too and it is why I will not start showing you anytning the way you asked. And I know only God can change adults. Same is applicable to you. I will be going against my principles to start showing you anytning if you dont see them. If truly you are ready to change, I dont need to show you. You only want to defend yourself which is what most adults do. And I am not ready to start anything with you too. I dont even need to correct like you were trying to correct me. Obviously, you follow me, and this opportunity you got that I gave you an audience, you wanted to take advantage of it. This is an adult syndrome here. Lol.

Guy, you dont know me at all. I dont agree with all your stuff here but you made sense mostly. I dont agree with that lady too, but guy she gat some stuff she needs to release to the world. Some things about her are good. I am not just a fan of her craftiness. Bullying indoor and acting like the victim outside. People who try to force out ones view first are crafty. People who try to act the victims are dangerous to the society. And they can go to any length to get what they want. I know what I am saying. If they have tried and tried, many of them eventually commit suicide. It is better just to avoid them except they change. Their believe makes them lose many friends. And by the time they realise it, it is already late cos they have shut out everyone. They may even try to connect again but people have moved on, and they might have lost contacts. Some of the people they shut out might talk to them if they reconnect, but they might have lost contacts. They usually think they can keep contacts and initiate conversations whenever they only want to. Those kind of people live miserably. And I have advised people like that to develop relationships and build their families around their kinds. But since something is wrong with their faith and foundation, they seem to always unable to get partners in their so called faith. Something is wrong somewhere. Unkowingly to them, that is exactly what their leaders want. For them to go out and convert new people through forcing their will on others. Anyone who wants to fellowship with other people outside their church is a devil. They make them think they are the only righteous one. This is the Jehovah Witness style too. And this is the 7th Day at work. Funny, they start criticizing themselves too..lol.... If they cannot find people of their faith to stay with, something is wrong. And many of them end up living a lonely life. This is where Jehovah Witness is a bit different. I dont care what anyone says, the 7th day Adventist is a capital NO for me. And I dont want to have a close relationship with anyone in that denomination again just like I made my decision with Jehovah Witness many years ago. I dont hate them. Just the same wey I avoid all white garments denominations.

For this you did for me sir, thank you. I am following your thread but will not make comments again, Just continue. God bless.

PeaceJoyLove:

I will write generally here instead of doing what you want me to do for the sake of clearing some issues.

Let's leave it like this. OK? I did not even know the lady will also quit. But I wrote that I was quiting so she doesnt start writing we ganged up against her cos that's her usual style which eventually did...lol. It was the reason I wanted a private talk with her. Really, I know private talk with her is a better option, but I dont need it again since I know Michael is her Jesus. But what I dont get is that they still believe in Trinity, while Jehovah Witnesses who are pushing the doctrine too dont believe in Trinity

Anyway, like you said, God can use them. Saying Michael is Jesus or not does not stop anyone from making heaven, likewise believing or disbelieving the so called secret rapture. Of course, there are angles I can tackle you too. I dont necessarily agree with you; however, doing it is not profitable.

Trinity is so hard to tackle too cos I know that Jehovah witnesses have really tried on that subject. And the way they exposed Catholic with a particular verse usedaq to defend Trinity is epic.

I am like you. I scrutinize things very well. I know all denominations have errors in their doctrines. But frankly speaking, I like discussing with intellectuals. This is one reason I dont like talking with the lady. She is too smart for herself. Wanting to look so humble, innocent, and Christ like while posting here, but hmmmmm...let's leave the story. There is no need to go add to it. I just want to avoid unnecessary bad emotion.

Any christian who cannot accept that his or hers is not the best is a dangerous one. This Micheal - Jesus is just using human brain to conclude. I cannot take it. I know your thread is not about Michael but it is huge for me to know that the Advetists too support it. Wow!

Also, Reno Omokri is trying to say something recently - that it is wrong to pray to Jesus. Now I am really trying to research it also. And it has to do with Trinity. I will never take the words of the leaders of my church just like that. Never again. Many people take the doctrines of their church so much more than the Bible.

I will talk to the Adventists just based on their diet which I am researching too. But a beg, let them stop it at that. If they try to push in more than I ask, I will slam the door in their faces. I just dont want to hear negativity. This is what I believe in. They are in the category of Jehovah Witness in my world from today. I dont hate them, but I will not permit anyone force his or her man made doctrines on me or brainwash me to believe their way of life. What I know is beneficial in what they do I will ask. If they are ready to share, fine. But if they decide not to share cos they want to force other believes of theirs on me, the door is opened for them to leave. If not, they will hear what they dont bargain for. This is me, this is my life.

Lastly, there is no need to correct any adult. An adult who has chosen to believe what he or she wants to is entitled to. The Bible says we should correct. And I believe since one cannot correct an adult, the way to do it is to use our actions and words. Say the truth and leave. No need to pamper the adult or think debating can change the person. I debate to bring the truth out even for others to see, and not for the person debating with me to believe me. Most are adults here. You are an adult too and it is why I will not start showing you anytning the way you asked. And I know only God can change adults. Same is applicable to you. I will be going against my principles to start showing you anytning if you dont see them. If truly you are ready to change, I dont need to show you. You only want to defend yourself which is what most adults do. And I am not ready to start anything with you too. I dont even need to correct like you were trying to correct me. Obviously, you follow me, and this opportunity you got that I gave you an audience, you wanted to take advantage of it. This is an adult syndrome here. Lol.

Guy, you dont know me at all. I dont agree with all your stuff here but you made sense mostly. I dont agree with that lady too, but guy she gat some stuff she needs to release to the world. Some things about her are good. I am not just a fan of her craftiness. Bullying indoor and acting like the victim outside. People who try to force out ones view first are crafty. People who try to act the victims are dangerous to the society. And they can go to any length to get what they want. I know what I am saying. If they have tried and tried, many of them eventually commit suicide. It is better just to avoid them except they change. Their believe makes them lose many friends. And by the time they realise it, it is already late cos they have shut out everyone. They may even try to connect again but people have moved on, and they might have lost contacts. Some of the people they shut out might talk to them if they reconnect, but they might have lost contacts. They usually think they can keep contacts and initiate conversations whenever they only want to. Those kind of people live miserably. And I have advised people like that to develop relationships and build their families around their kinds. But since something is wrong with their faith and foundation, they seem to always unable to get partners in their so called faith. Something is wrong somewhere. Unkowingly to them, that is exactly what their leaders want. For them to go out and convert new people through forcing their will on others. Anyone who wants to fellowship with other people outside their church is a devil. They make them think they are the only righteous one. This is the Jehovah Witness style too. And this is the 7th Day at work. Funny, they start criticizing themselves too..lol.... If they cannot find people of their faith to stay with, something is wrong. And many of them end up living a lonely life. This is where Jehovah Witness is a bit different. I dont care what anyone says, the 7th day Adventist is a capital NO for me. And I dont want to have a close relationship with anyone in that denomination again just like I made my decision with Jehovah Witness many years ago. I dont hate them. Just the same wey I avoid all white garments denominations.

For this you did for me sir, thank you. I am following your thread but will not make comments again, Just continue. God bless.

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Of course, there are angles I can tackle you too. I dont necessarily agree with you;

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Bring the angle let me clear your thoughts with the word of God

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And the way they exposed Catholic with a particular verse usedaq to defend Trinity is epic.

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bring the verse they use let me use the word of God to nullify it


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Also, Reno Omokri is trying to say something recently - that it is wrong to pray to Jesus. Now I am really trying to research it also.

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There are verses where people prayed to Jesus in the Bible
God said call upon me and I will answer you Jesus said ask you shall receive
What does that mean if not prayer
You can speak to the Holy Spirit you can pray to him too, God the father has done his part God the son has done his part the God manifestation present now on earth is the holy spirit
People just want to make it look like a strange thing
Reno is not the Bible reno belief Jesus is Micheal, it not today that devil has been using celebrities to pervert the word of God

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But if they decide not to share cos they want to force other believes of theirs on me, t

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How can they force you to believe them did they chain you to their mind I don't understand

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I will not start showing you anytning the way you asked

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If you can't show me what on your mind then you can not stand up for anything about the things you believe

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And I am not ready to start anything with you too. I dont even need to correct like you were trying to correct me.

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If there is something you want to correct me on I will gladly take the corrections so far as your Bible quote proves am wrong

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I gave you an audience, you wanted to take advantage of it. This is an adult syndrome here. Lol.

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There are two types of knowledge
Head knowledge by reading books and
Revealed knowledge the one a supernatural power shows you if God did not reveal himself to me I will never open my mouth to say the things of the Bible never it was when God revealed his personality to me I now have the gut to speak what I have been shown

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I dont agree with all your stuff here

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Show me were you don't agree so I can clear it up

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the 7th day Adventist is a capital NO for me. And I dont want to have a close relationship with anyone in that denomination again just like I made my decision with Jehovah Witness many years ago

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That your own choice
For me I can enter mosque or jahova witness hall and tell them what I know if they permit me that my choice

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I am following your thread but will not make comments again, Just continue. God bless.

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God bless you too
But if you want to increase ask what on your mind and I will give you what Bible said like I told you if God did not reveal himself to me I will never open my mouth to speak about the things of God, God is my witness