atonement12:

Jesus Christ clearly says he did not come to abolish the law(old testament), but He came to fulfill it.

You conveniently mix up old testament judgements/with natural God-given roles of a man and woman (traditional roles), and you equate it with "curse". .

You accuse God of turning a curse into law
Where, in the Old Covenant Law, is the claim you made above located?

Kobojunkie:
The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, declared that He alone is Head & Master over each person who belongs to Him. And He also condemned the serving of two masters. - Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10

What is written in Ephesians 5 obviously goes against Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law, when it suggests that women are to submit/worship their husbands proclaiming that husbands are heads, this again against Jesus Christ's own decree, over their wives.

So when a husband and his wife obey what is written in Ephesians, they actually do so against Jesus Christ and so are not of Him

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Another very important reason why Ephesians 5 is against Jesus Christ is it suggests that Salvation that was granted us by Jesus Christ from God's curse( Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19)has no real power where the curse is concerned, as it declares that man and woman remain under the curse even as they are under Jesus Christ.

And we know that those who are under curse will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. In essence, anyone living in submission to that curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19 will never enter into Heaven.

You keep on repeating the same jargons to cover up your absurdity and convince yourself that a lie is the truth..
Why are you ignoring Ephesians 5 ?

rock003:

You keep on repeating the same jargons to cover up your absurdity and convince yourself that a lie is the truth..
Why are you ignoring Ephesians 5 ?

God is God of Laws and His Laws are eternal Covenants , agreements, Contracts even between God and men. All God demands is that man obey His Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law in the Kingdom of God , an agreement between God and individuals and each one who believes in Him, Jesus Christ, is called upon to trust in , and obey Him and only Him.

The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, declared that He alone is Head & Master over each person who belongs to Him. And He also condemned the serving of two masters. - Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10

What is written in Ephesians 5 obviously goes against Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law, when it suggests that women are to submit/worship their husbands proclaiming that husbands are heads, this again against Jesus Christ's own decree, over their wives.

So when a husband and his wife obey what is written in Ephesians, they actually do so against Jesus Christ and so are not of Him

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Another very important reason why Ephesians 5 is against Jesus Christ is it suggests that Salvation that was granted us by Jesus Christ from God's curse( Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19)has no real power where the curse is concerned, as it declares that man and woman remain under the curse even as they are under Jesus Christ.

And we know that those who are under curse will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. In essence, anyone living in submission to that curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19 will never enter into Heaven.

Kobojunkie:
God is God of Laws and His Laws are eternal Covenants , agreements, Contracts even between God and men. All God demands is that man obey His Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law in the Kingdom of God , an agreement between God and individuals and each one who believes in Him, Jesus Christ, is called upon to trust in , and obey Him and only Him.

The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, declared that He alone is Head & Master over each person who belongs to Him. And He also condemned the serving of two masters. - Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10

What is written in Ephesians 5 obviously goes against Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law, when it suggests that women are to submit/worship their husbands proclaiming that husbands are heads, this again against Jesus Christ's own decree, over their wives.

So when a husband and his wife obey what is written in Ephesians, they actually do so against Jesus Christ and so are not of Him

---

Another very important reason why Ephesians 5 is against Jesus Christ is it suggests that Salvation that was granted us by Jesus Christ from God's curse( Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19)has no real power where the curse is concerned, as it declares that man and woman remain under the curse even as they are under Jesus Christ.

And we know that those who are under curse will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. In essence, anyone living in submission to that curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19 will never enter into Heaven.

Does these your deception remove the truth in Ephesians 5?

rock003:

Does these your deception remove the truth in Ephesians 5?

How did you go about establishing that there is truth in what is written in Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 23?

Is there also truth in that which is written in Matthew 4 vs 6- 7

Kobojunkie:
How did you go about establishing that there is truth in what is written in Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 23?

Is there also truth in that which is written in Matthew 4 vs 6- 7

So, now your organisation of hideous women are now seeing a part of the Bible as false because it doesn't support your absurdity?

Very soon, you will start using your own Bible version.

More reason why your organisation is a curse to humanity

rock003:


So, now your organisation of hideous women are now seeing a part of the Bible as false because it doesn't support your absurdity?

Very soon, you will start using your own Bible version.

More reason why your organisation is a curse to humanity

The doctrine that your Bible is "inerrant" and "infallible" was preached to you by men and not by God , nor Jesus Christ who warned you that all the doctrines and traditions of men are an abomination where the Truth of God is concerned - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14.

So Again..... How did you go about establishing that there is truth in what is written in Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 23?

Is there also truth in that which is written in Matthew 4 vs 6- 7

Kobojunkie:
Again..... How did you go about establishing that there is truth in what is written in Ephesians 5 vs 22 - 23?

Is there also truth in that which is written in Matthew 4 vs 6- 7

And again, with the way you are going, you will turn the Bible upside down and rewrite your own version just to please your hideous anti-humanity ideology

rock003:

And again, with the way you are going, you will turn the Bible upside down and rewrite your own version just to please your hideous anti-humanity ideology

When you are ready to have intelligent discussion here, let me know.

Kobojunkie:
When you are ready to have intelligent discussion here, let me know.

Your so called intelligence is a mere exercise of dumbness and myopia

theFilmtric:

Papa is right
Marriage itself is against feminism
Especially in Africa
there's a difference between feminism and gender equality
Most African cultures are against gender equality though
Nature itself is against gender equality
No average woman can dig a well
How many women do crude work?
African cultures assign duties to each gender. That keeps a good balance

I am afraid you are mistaken about nature. Nature is not against equality, since it goes as far as merging both sexes in many cases for a more efficient specie. We see this both in the plant kingdom and in the animal kingdom.

The bible tells us that God created Adam, and because Adam was alone- the only one of his kind who has ever been alone on this earth, God decided to create specifically for him, a perfect match and what better way than to use Adam's exact DNA so the personalities and everything else fit. God never said woman was less than man... No, He created them equal in the beginning, complement each other, or else the punishment/curse that God later imposed on Eve in Genesis 3 vs 16, would have made no sense to begin with.

Marriage existed before the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 came into existence, so your Mog here lies to you when He tells you that marriage only works when both of those involved assume the cursed state - the husband as Lord over the wife - that is against God.

toren:
Honestly, I don't see why feminists should get married. If you see men and women as equals, already you have a problem.

Why do you not see men and women as equals?

Really? Chimama Adichie is a feminist and is married. A woman can be a feminist and still happily married, that's if she is lucky to marry a good man, and not some egoistic proud man who thinks success is all about lording over and oppressing his wife. The biblical submission can only work where the man genuinely loves/honours his wife. When a man truly loves/honours his wife, they will live like partners, not master and slave situation which is what the African culture used to teach. Infact some people use religion to teach master and slave marital coexistence, all in the name of submission. [quote author=Vinnie2000 post=104618229

So once again, NO HAPPILY MARRIED WOMAN CAN BE A FEMINIST!
The Idea is For Disgrunted Female Elements who have an Axe to grind with a man/men in their lives!![/quote]

LilMissFavvy:
Really? Chimama Adichie is a feminist and is married. A woman can be a feminist and still happily married, that's if she is lucky to marry a good man, and not some egoistic proud man who thinks success is all about lording over and oppressing his wife. The biblical submission can only work where the man genuinely loves/honours his wife. When a man truly loves/honours his wife, they will live like partners, not master and slave situation which is what the African culture used to teach. Infact some people use religion to teach master and slave marital coexistence, all in the name of submission.

After the feminist revolution, in the 1970's divorce rate increased to 50% when it was scarce before, marital rates declined, birth rates dropped, child born out of wedlock increased leading to single motherhood households as norms and even incentivised by welfare programs from the govt, and women initiate about 75% of the divorce because the laws were altered from alimony, child support and child custody, women destroyed their homes with ease with the introduction of no fault defaults, children from single mothers are degenerates to Society leading to most criminals, drug abusers, prisoners, etc

Partnership, 50/50, doesn't exist in marriage, the man has the authority and also heavy responsibility, no Egalitarianistic-Equalism in marriage as we can see the failure in Western Societies with the statistics above

Kobojunkie:
You accuse God of turning a curse into law
Where, in the Old Covenant Law, is the claim you made above located?

Stop deceiving yourself. Your elementary manipulative reverse psychology cannot work with me. You are the one that took up the role of an accuser by advocating for the devil.
Let me help you out a bit hoping you will become more receptive to truth.
Simply put, Jesus Christ sacrificial death and resurrection broke the curse of Genesis-He 'WORKED FOR' our salvation from the law/power of the curse.
The book of of Ephesians is simply teaching and encouraging the saints on how we 'WORK OUT' our salvation from the law/power of the curse.
Though different works, but COMPLIMENTARY....but, NEVER CONTRADICTORY!
So don't gloat thinking you and your "daddy" can make the saints doubt their salvation and become despondent...

atonement12:
Stop deceiving yourself. Your elementary manipulative reverse psychology cannot work with me. You are the one that took up the role of an accuser by advocating for the devil.
Let me help you out a bit hoping you will become more receptive to truth.
Simply put, Jesus Christ sacrificial death and resurrection broke the curse of Genesis-He 'WORKED FOR' our salvation from the law/power of the curse.
The book of of Ephesians is simply teaching and encouraging the saints on how we 'WORK OUT' our salvation from the law/power of the curse.
Though different works, but COMPLIMENTARY....but, NEVER CONTRADICTORY!
So don't gloat thinking you and your "daddy" can make the saints doubt their salvation and become despondent...

Simple question....

Where, in the Old Covenant Law, is the claim you made above located?

Kobojunkie:
Simple question....

Where, in the Old Covenant Law, is the claim you made above located?

Rubbish delusional question!
You have made your choice to refuse salvation in Jesus Christ, and to continue to living in denial of the finished work of salvation in Jesus Christ!
Enjoy your choice while it lasts!

phemmyfour:
Ignorance!
Paul was addressing BELIEVERS in Eph 5 n 6 on the roles of husband n wife and it was clearly written there that "WIFE should SUBMIT"

It wasn't a curse.... Christian women still go through labour pain till date

I challenge you to find for us where God declared it a blessing, a law and not a curse.

Kobojunkie:
I challenge you to find for us where God declared it a blessing, a law and not a curse.

Read verse 14-16, you ll understand the difference between curse and punishment

So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!

To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life

phemmyfour:
Read verse 14-16, you ll understand the difference between curse and punishment

So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!

To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life

What?

RealTreas:


Some women can do a man's job but tell me when any man can start getting pregnant to birth a child..

when you tell me when a woman impregnates another woman

Olukemi funke -Too Good Medley
The upbeat praise medley will definitely get you on your feet as you give all honour to our Too Good God.
Chai this song eh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsmK4Plc3I

wpadmin:


Are you trying to say that through Jesus Christ, men shall not toil the earth and women shall not experience pain when giving birth?

That is exactly what Jesus Christ said He came to redeem those who will follow Him from.

Kobojunkie:
That is exactly what Jesus Christ said He came to redeem those who will follow Him from.

Hm.. sofri brother.
Those were not curses but what Gods commandments.

Abeg I no get power to argue.

CharisEleos:

Hm.. sofri brother.
Those were not curses but what Gods commandments.

Abeg I no get power to argue.

So God gave man a commandment stipulating that if man sinned, man would die, and in your digest of this, after man committed the sin, instead of judgement, God gave man and snake more commands?

You dey hear yourself? What is popularly referred to as the "wages of sin", you here declare are instead commandments given by God to man?

Kobojunkie:
So God gave man a commandment stipulating that if man sinned, man would die, and in your digest of this, after man committed the sin, instead of judgement, God gave man and snake more commands?

You dey hear yourself? What is popularly referred to as the "wages of sin", you here declare are instead commandments given by God to man?

I told you I don't want to argue. Besides that's not what I'm saying. I was to a comment you made in another place.

Rest small.

CharisEleos:

I told you I don't want to argue. Besides that's not what I'm saying. I was to a comment you made in another place.

Rest small.

You responded to a comment about what Jesus Christ redeemed/ gave us salvation from. Salvation is from the wages of sin/condemnation of Sin, the curse God placed on mankind since Adam and Eve, this in Genesis 3 vs 14- 19. All that judgement placed on man and woman for the sins they committed is what Jesus Christ came to redeem us from.

Kobojunkie:
You responded to a comment about what Jesus Christ redeemed/ gave us salvation from. Salvation is from the wages of sin/condemnation of Sin, the curse God placed on mankind since Adam and Eve, this in Genesis 3 vs 14- 19. All that judgement placed on man and woman for the sins they committed is what Jesus Christ came to redeem us from.

Ga zuru ike kobojunkie. Hian!

CharisEleos:

Ga zuru ike kobojunkie. Hian!

We are taking about people choosing to live a cursed existence, rejecting God and still believing they will do the impossible, which is see God at the end of it all.

No person living in in cursed cursed will see God or enter into God's presence. That is why Jesus Christ first had to redeem us from the curse. Yet these Mogs lie to people, stealing and destroying in the Name of God.

Kobojunkie:
We are taking about people choosing to live a cursed existence, rejecting God and still believing they will do the impossible, which is see God at the end of it all.

No person living in in cursed cursed will see God or enter into God's presence. That is why Jesus Christ first had to redeem us from the curse. Yet these Mogs lie to people, stealing and destroying in the Name of God.

Lol.. calm down. Take it easy. O?

Most women who are not feminist still don't submit. Many a time, it has to do with how they were raised up.

CharisEleos:

Lol.. calm down. Take it easy. O?

If I cursed you right now, will you be calm about it?

Ofcourse not, even though you that my words will mean nothing, you will be irked that I even attempted a curse on you. Now imagine these Mogs regularly lying to you lot, pacifying you all with sweet words into accepting existence under God's curse, a curse that guarantees you will either perish or be damned at the end of your life. Why do you expect anyone who sees and knows the truth of that to be calm about it.

When you know something is a curse, you are supposed to do your best to run away from it not embrace it with arms wide open.