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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 7:51am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

As per the Taliban:
It seems Afghans themselves don't want to fight and are quick to surrender to the Taliban. A lot of them probably want an Islamic/Sharia rule.

I think the women don't like it. Under Taliban, no more school for women. Taliban will insist on marrying two and three and more instead, and hood them so they are unheard.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:21am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


I think the women don't like it. Under Taliban, no more school for women. Taliban will insist on marrying two and three and more instead, and hood them so they are unheard.


Activists should be sent asap to beg the Taliban not to lower the gay and BLM flags flying high at the Kabul embassy.

The LGBTQ community will be victimized even though there some sexually abused bacha bazi in afghan and pakistan.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 8:31am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


I think the women don't like it. Under Taliban, no more school for women. Taliban will insist on marrying two and three and more instead, and hood them so they are unheard.

It's sad,

But if they don't want to live under Sharia law, they need to fight for the soul of their country (especially their armed forces). It's not surprising that their forces are surrendering without putting up a good fight. Infact, there are reports that they refused to put up a fight. It's a country where the leaning is already conservative Islam. The Taliban only need a little effort to convince people to switch sides.

I am happy that Canada just airlifted 20,000 people that were in immediate danger as they are likely marked for reprisal attacks by the Taliban. People such as women leaders, human right workers, members of the LGBTQ communities, persecuted religious minorities, reporters, e.t.c plus their families. These 20,000 are in addition to the thousands of Afghans who worked for the Canadian government, such as interpreters, embassy workers and their families that were earlier flown into Canada.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:42am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

It's sad,

But if they don't want to live under Sharia law, they need to fight for the soul of their country (especially their armed forces). It's not surprising that their forces are surrendering without putting up a good fight. It's a country where the leaning is already conservative Islam. The Taliban only need a little effort to convince people to switch sides.

I am happy that Canada just airlifted 20,000 people that were in immediate danger as they are likely marked for reprisal attacks by the Taliban. People such as women leaders, human right workers, members of the LGBTQ communities, persecuted religious minorities, reporters, e.t.c plus their families. These 20,000 are in addition to the thousands of Afghans who worked for the Canadian government, such as interpreters, embassy workers and their families that were earlier flown into Canada.


Afghan will not be the first to be under Sharia law.
They are still under Sharia law as we speak so Taliban will not be bringing anything new.
They want sharia Let them have sharia.
Countries under sharia law are many eg Saudi, Iran, Mali, Pakistan.
But since you are in Canada you might want to educate us on what aspects of sharia law the Taliban should not introduce that are not in the current sharia dictates.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 8:48am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:



Afghan will not be the first to be under Sharia law.
They are still under Sharia law as we speak so Taliban will not be bringing anything new.
They want sharia Let them have sharia.
Countries under sharia law are many eg Saudi, Iran, Mali, Pakistan.
But since you are in Canada you might want to educate us on what aspects of sharia law the Taliban should not introduce that are not in the current sharia dictates.
Well. Thank you for confirming that they are already under Sharia even with the occupation of US and NATO. No wonder some of their forces are refusing to fight the Taliban. They probably see the Taliban as fighting a just cause. The armed forces personnels may just be in the Afghan Army for their daily bread.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 8:55am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

Well. Thank you for confirming that they are already under Sharia even with the occupation of US and NATO. No wonder some of their forces are refusing to fight the Taliban. They probably see the Taliban as fighting a just cause. The armed forces personnels may just be in the Afghan Army for their daily bread.

Who would have thought you would ever agree with me?
They want it, have had it let them have it. Trump had made a demand that they not harbor those who plan to commit terror acts, in return for withdrawal.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 9:02am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:


Who would have thought you would ever agree with me?
They want it, have had it let them have it. Trump had made a demand that they not harbor those who plan to commit terror acts, in return for withdrawal.
Hopefully they keep to the agreement.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Tdotbluejays: 9:13am On Aug 15, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
I disagree with you though. The problem is not America. The problem is the corrupt leaderships in Afghanistan. America spent over $2 Trillion and thousands of young lives for Afghanistan to better their country and after twenty years of that, nothing came out of it. I hate Trump with all the cells in my body but supported him when he said he would pull out of Afghanistan. Enough of 20 and 21 year old being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do you know what $2 Trillion can do to upgrade the infrastructures in America. I bet you majority of Americans supports our pulling out of Afghanistan. These Islamic jingoists will keep killing each other no matter what any Government do. Let United Nations or NATO take over from American Military forces.
NATO pulled out in 2014 or thereabout. Even though they left some troops on ground to continue training Afghan military and police.

I don't think NATO is interested in returning. If the people of Afghanistan are not motivated enough to fight the Afghan Taliban, there is no point in continuing to support a never ending war. The western presence just means war with no end in sight. The Afghans (Taliban and Islamists) can sort themselves out. Hopefully they make peace amongst themselves.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:14am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

Hopefully they keep to the agreement.

A jihadist is not obligated to honor any treaty with kuffar. When the jihadist is weak he will use the detente period to rearm and continue with his expansionism via terrorism.
Give the Talibans a few years and Afghan will be the hotbed of terrorism.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:18am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


I think the women don't like it. Under Taliban, no more school for women. Taliban will insist on marrying two and three and more instead, and hood them so they are unheard.


The women and girls are the ones I pity in all these.Women and children are always vulnerable when there is conflict/war

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:21am On Aug 15, 2021
You see a country like Afghanistan you gotta thank God for Nigeria at least grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 9:26am On Aug 15, 2021
AmazonTopaz:
You see a country like Afghanistan you gotta thank God for Nigeria at least grin


Nigeria is heading on that path, I tell you this Taliban take over will be celebrated in north, they want an Islamic nation.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by DissTroy(m): 9:26am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

NATO pulled out in 2014 or thereabout. Even though they left some troops on ground to continue training Afghan military and police.

I don't think NATO is interested in returning. If the people of Afghanistan are not motivated enough to fight the Afghan Taliban, there is no point in continuing to support a never ending war. The western presence just means war with no end in sight. The Afghans (Taliban and Islamists) can sort themselves out. Hopefully they make peace amongst themselves.

Getting involved in the Arab Spring and fighting on too many fronts in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, and many others made NATO and the U.S. particularly take their eyes off Afghanistan.

In fact, the Taliban came to be seen as a lesser evil to ISIS. If Obama hadn't been directly involved in the Arab Spring, Afghanistan would have had a better fate. The Taliban teamed up with other terror groups.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 9:28am On Aug 15, 2021
This whole thing is perplexing but again could just be Afghanistans want this, the resistance from Afghan army is almost non existent which is too good to be true.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:47am On Aug 15, 2021
The western notion of nation building according to their systems and values comes to naught when it comes to jihadists.
They should be let to fight among themselves until they get a secular dictator and a benevolent one too.Once they realize they have a nation to build.
ISIS was able to spread because the residents gave them support and joined them in large numbers. Till they realised what strict implementation of sharia law bode for them.
Not all Germans were nazis, but the nazis steamrolled and brutalized their way.
Not all chinese were communists but the communists took and killed millions.
Not all Cambodians wanted Khmer rouge , but the Marxist Khmer rouge went to kill millions.

It only takes a small determined group to turn a nation upside down.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 9:55am On Aug 15, 2021
sanpipita:
This whole thing is perplexing but again could just be Afghanistans want this, the resistance from Afghan army is almost non existent which is too good to be true.

ISIS attacked Kobane, a Turkey neighbor town with tens of thousands of jihadists
The Kurdish kobane town mobilized every fighting person, with a full female brigade and fought off the militants.
Turkey a top ten military nation refused to help the Kurds.
Kobane did not fall. The coalition airstrikes helped them.
Afghan has a 300k standing army with an airforce to boot Yet they are surrendering and fleeing like cowards.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 9:57am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

The Taliban only need a little effort to convince people to switch sides.

I don't know how to make you realise that the effort the Taliban is using to convince people to switch sides is immense. But let me try.

Ignore my attempt to brainwash you please. Show me what you call "a little effort".

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:00am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:

Afghan will not be the first to be under Sharia law.
They are still under Sharia law as we speak so Taliban will not be bringing anything new.
They want sharia Let them have sharia.

The above is like some ignorant person yelling, "they like Biden! Let them have Biden!"

It is not true, Bas.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:07am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


I don't know how to make you realise that the effort the Taliban is using to convince people to switch sides is immense. But let me try.

Ignore my attempt to brainwash you please. Show me what you call "a little effort".

The Talibans believe in strict implementation of sharia.
Any nation or society that is ruled by clerics has. the same punishments for transgression.
The Saudis leave the clerics to be the judges and implement punishment. They frequently behead adulterers and stone them too. Ditto Iran which cherishes hanging gays by tying them to a crane and hoisting them up in public.
The difference is that the rulers are not jihadists but leave law implantation to the clergy and sharia courts.
Societies ran politically by clerics examples Boko Haram territory, Somalia Al Shabaab, Yemen Houthi , ISIS, Parts of Libya etc.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:11am On Aug 15, 2021
Tdotbluejays:

Well. Thank you for confirming that they are already under Sharia even with the occupation of US and NATO. No wonder some of their forces are refusing to fight the Taliban. They probably see the Taliban as fighting a just cause. The armed forces personnels may just be in the Afghan Army for their daily bread.

Thank him for giving you permission to believe what you want to believe you mean. And don't miss the irony of where you are taking permission from instead of using your - I beg your pardon.

The "armed forces personnels" are afraid to fight the Taliban, who after fighting the "armed forces personnels" will go to their homes and fight their parents and spouses and children and family and farms and businesses and their neighbours. It's after all not exactly the case that the armed forces personnels' family is safe in USA!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:11am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


The above is like some ignorant person yelling, "they like Biden! Let them have Biden!"

It is not true, Bas.

I explained with examples that a group of zealots have wrought havoc to their society once they captured state power
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 10:12am On Aug 15, 2021
sanpipita:


Nigeria is heading on that path, I tell you this Taliban take over will be celebrated in north, they want an Islamic nation.

It is really terrible that in 2021 people still reason like this.It should just be in their territory.


Afghans should do more and take their country back unless they are okay with the redundancy and backwardness, Nigeria is miles better but you are not far from the truth
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:14am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:


The Talibans believe in strict implementation of sharia.
Any nation or society that is ruled by clerics has. the same punishments for transgression.

And your argument is that the people on whom the type of sharia you are describing is being imposed is what the people want? That they are almost begging for it in fact?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 10:15am On Aug 15, 2021
sanpipita:
This whole thing is perplexing but again could just be Afghanistans want this, the resistance from Afghan army is almost non existent which is too good to be true.
Same observation
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:16am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:


I explained with examples that a group of zealots have wrought havoc to their society once they captured state power

And the "society" are welcoming and happy "that a group of zealots have wrought havoc to their society" after capturing their society?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:18am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


And your argument is that the people on whom the type of sharia you are describing is being imposed is what the people want? That they are almost begging for it in fact?

Find me one person in that group saying they don't want sharia.
They only want sharia upto a point where it does not oppress them But the real sharia is what's practiced in the full-blown sharia territories.

Ask Anjem Choudary why he wants Britain under sharia.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:19am On Aug 15, 2021
sanpipita:
This whole thing is perplexing but again could just be Afghanistans want this, the resistance from Afghan army is almost non existent which is too good to be true.

Never done this to you before, have I!?
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:20am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:


Find me one person in that group saying they don't want sharia.

You are stupid. Don't talk to me till you use you brain!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by budaatum: 10:22am On Aug 15, 2021
AmazonTopaz:


The women and girls are the ones I pity in all these.Women and children are always vulnerable when there is conflict/war

To some, seems women and children don't count. See one pig telling me to provide one of them so he can personally question whether she likes her vulnerability!

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by AmazonTopaz(f): 10:23am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


To some, seems women and children don't count. See one pig telling me to provide one of them so he can personally question whether she likes her vulnerability!

Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by basilico: 10:24am On Aug 15, 2021
budaatum:


And the "society" are welcoming and happy "that a group of zealots have wrought havoc to their society" after capturing their society?

They brutalize their way into power
ISIS had jihadists from all over the world.
They were warmly welcomed in Raqqa after defeating Syrian forces. The welcome and happy reception soon turned into a nightmare for residents.

In Afghanistan they dont want the Taliban having experienced their rule, but their forces are not fighting back.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by benalvino3: 10:27am On Aug 15, 2021
basilico:


Who would have thought you would ever agree with me?
They want it, have had it let them have it. Trump had made a demand that they not harbor those who plan to commit terror acts, in return for withdrawal.

some of these people here don't understand why Doctors and other professionals will leave their job in the UK to go and join jihadist in the middle east. they don't understand why Lee Rigby was killed and the killer (A Nigeria) was saying the British army should stop killing their people in the middle east. his people are not the British people, they are not Nigerians but Muslims across the middle east.

you people will be fast to shout bigot when i talk about these people but you fail to realise that if they have their way anywhere or as a dominant force in the world, all your freedom will be gone ASAP. Shariah law will be part of your Government and you will probably be punished or killed for the crime of blasphemy.

a lot a Good just like any other good person, a lot are quiet just waiting to see the momentum before you realise where their support is and a lot are very vocal especially in the UK where they are allowed to utter hate speech but if you bring awareness into a grooming gang and you are white you become enemy of the state while at the same time the state is trying to blend in people who left the country to fight for ISIS and returned

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