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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:30am On Aug 15, 2021 |
the Watchtower Society’s Bible, The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (NWT), translates John 1:1: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” The Watchtower Society asserts that since the Greek language has no indefinite articles (a or an), the article can be used where needed in translating; thus they insert “a” before god to emphasize the Word’s (Christ’s) inferiority to God. This biased rendering cannot be justified grammatically and has been rejected by every reputable Greek scholar. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:31am On Aug 15, 2021 |
The Watchtower Society also errs in its interpretation of Colossians 1:15-20. They interpret the word “firstborn” in verse 15 to mean “first-created.” However, the firstborn (prototokos) principle in Hebrew culture refers to privilege and superiority, not to priority in time. Also, the Watchtower Society has presumptuously added to its translation of verses 16-20 by parenthetically inserting “other” in several places where no word appears in the Greek text. This unwarranted addition is made so the text will conform to the Watchtower Society’s theological position on Christ. Because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist” (Col. 1:16-17, NWT). 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 9:32am On Aug 15, 2021 |
sagenaija:They will waste your precious time. The scriptures mean NOTHING to them. To be uniform, they have to exchange a their sound mind to taking directions of how to think by their governing body. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:33am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Another example is the Watchtower Society’s interpretation of Revelation 3:14 (NASB), “The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God.” The NWT renders the clause, “the beginning of the creation by God,” which the Watchtower Society says is proof that Jesus was the first created being. This interpretation errs at two points. First, the word rendered “beginning” is the Greek arche, which can also be translated as “source” (New English Bible); “ruler” (New International Version), or “origin” (Good News Bible), thus confirming the orthodox view of Christ’s divinity. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:37am On Aug 15, 2021 |
The Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus was crucified on a “torture stake” instead of a cross (Matt. 27:32, NWT). The Watchtower Society specifically dates Jesus’ death: “On Nisan 14 of the year 33 C.E. Jesus’ enemies put him to death on a torture stake” (Truth, p. 51). |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:39am On Aug 15, 2021 |
Jesus clearly indicated the physical aspect of His resurrection when He appeared to His disciples. “And He said to them, ‘Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have'” (Luke 24:38-39, NASB). Jesus clearly indicated the physical aspect of His resurrection when He appeared to His disciples. “And He said to them, ‘Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have'” (Luke 24:38-39, NASB). https://www.nairaland.com/6702940/jehovahs-witnesses-occultic-view-christ |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:28am On Aug 15, 2021 |
sagenaija: There's no need for conference argument! ![]() If you people don't agree with what i'm saying just WORK out something visible as evidence that you understand the WORD but coming together to make noise against the Interpretation that's WORKING out fine deeds among those adhering to it shows that you're all deceiving yourselves! James 2:18-26 ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 11:42am On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:As if there is anything other than self praise. You have no fruit of interest to Christ. Mat 7:16: "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:50am On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka:If few Jews in the first century did not become subject to the TEACHINGS of the Apostles: And with many other words he gave a thorough witness and kept exhorting them, saying: “Get saved from this crooked generation.” So those who gladly accepted his word were baptized, and on that day about 3,000 people were added. And they continued devoting themselves to the teaching of the apostles, to associating together, to the taking of meals, and to prayers! Act 2:40-42 Now you are not obedient to the TEACHINGS of those taking the lead in your church ECWA so PRESENT the works of the BODY of Christ without any union or GROUP! ![]() I wonder how those faithful Jews could have produced the fine FRUIT befitting God's people. Remember the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, other Jewish Rabbis and Zealots all have access to the scriptures but only those OBEDIENT to the TEACHINGS of the Apostles were yielding positive results! Hebrews 13:7, 17 ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:56am On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka: This is why i love the words of my Master, Lord and King (Christ Jesus) now pay attention to his words that you yourself just quoted. The word GATHER connotes collectivity not as you are standing alone out of ECWA Church, and your cohorts here are standing alone out of their various sects but collectively you can't come up with something tangible that people can SEE as a GATHERING! Matthew 5:13-16 ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 12:04pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Sorry sir! The Lord does not know ECWA. The Lord knows each of His children in ECWA, these His people make up the Church. ECWA is just a denomination and it doesn't replace Christ and His Lordship in people's lives. It's not all who say to Me Lord Lord that shall enter the kingdom of Heaven. It's not a group thing sir. That is why Jesus says in the parable of the wheat and tares. Mat 13:29-30: "But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 12:08pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Acts 17:11: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Unlike people who have submitted themselves to self appointed apostles who know not Jesus 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:33pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Why not complete the verse as my Master, Lord and King say it? Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 So what is the WILL of Jesus' father? Well Isaiah and Micah told us: But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 Jesus fervently prayed to his father that his followers should have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} Jesus was begging his father to make this work because that's the only way imperfect humans can come together to make what is written in BOLDED RED possible! Well God answered the heartfelt prayer of his dear son because Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling God's will right now! ![]() That is why Jesus says in the parable of the wheat and tares. The sowing started in the first century when Jesus began his earthly ministry, then after Jesus' departure to heaven and the death of all his Apostles (as they were sleeping in death) Satan quickly established falsehood that you people now call Christianity, his agents began vilifying, molesting, persecuting and killing the faithful ones who wanted to remain in the teaching of Christ until true Christianity was totally silenced. That's why Jesus said "when I return to inspect my WORK, will i still meet this faith the way i laid it's foundation?" {Luke 18:8} of course by the time Jesus returned in 1914 true Christianity is no more! That's why he began dealing with the one and only group that's prepared to make amendments in their teachings and he continue working with them until they started bearing the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally. They are known today as Jehovah's Witnesses! Jesus has commaded his angels to gather us into one group while you people are also in your various groups. But the difference between we and you people is that while you worship together with your various groups, your line of thought are not in union with your fellow worshipers {Luke 11:23} while Jesus' own group are enjoying oneness of thought! John 17:20-23 That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you just quoted Sir! ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:39pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka: The Beroeans showed appreciation for what they were learning from the Apostles with readiness of mind and searching the scriptures daily to be certain whether those teachings were correct! So what do you think they did afterwards? Do you think they took part of the TEACHINGS of the Apostles and rejected the rest just as you are doing now in ECWA Church? ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 12:41pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:I didn't ask you of any story. Go meet your self appointed apostles for more brainwashing: satan is good with that. Mat 24:27: "For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Lairs and impostors. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 12:42pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:And we can all see how the scriptures mean nothing to you |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:51pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka: My God! ![]() So why are you all talking about the teachings of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today if not what the man you just quoted did in the first century? Well for your information, it's because Jesus returned in 1914 with his REAL teachings which the world (majority of mankind) can't receive {John 14:17} that you all are now worried about a group zealously preaching and industriously teaching people in all your neighbourhood and making disciples globally with a kind of teaching that sounds totally strange to all of you! ![]() Guy wake up! Jesus is presently working with Jehovah's Witnesses! Matthew 28:19-20 ![]()
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:59pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka: No wahala just prove that it means something to you people by showing us the WORKS of your FAITH! Please let everyone SEE how LIVELY is your FAITH {James 2:18} in the scriptures! 2Timothy 3:5 Dear Shadeyinka, i told you from day one not to engage me in scriptural debates because you may have many misinformed churchgoers behind you but you will continue to boil really hot inside due to the efficacy of a true Christian (one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) I'm sorry it's this bitter but there's nothing i can do about it, you either accept it or go and worship your God the best way you know! ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:01pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
Millions in crusade The total of JW world wide not even up to this crusade population lol
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 2:17pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Advertise your jesus : you self appointed apostles! As for me, I can only make my boast in the Lord Jesus Christ and not in any organisation. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 2:18pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Mat 24:27: "For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:24pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
My own Jesus has GATHERED his people into one group (Jehovah's Witnesses) and he is actively working with them globally today. SEE my Jesus at WORK with his true followers! Matthew 28:19-20 ![]() shadeyinka:
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:27pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
shadeyinka: Of course! That's why you're all disturbed at the presence of Jesus, as he's actively working globally with his true followers, even though his teachings still remains STRANGE to the world just as it was when he first came to the earth! ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by sagenaija: 2:32pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:MaxinDHouse, Conference argument? Not agreeing with what you are saying? No! I only wanted to see how you see Revelation 22: 13 where Jesus said: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Revelation 22:13 NIV I see that it is hard to simply admit and say "I don't know" or even "You may be right". It appears that "deeper understanding" has its limitations. It can't explain Jesus being the Alpha and the Omega. Do we call janosky to the rescue? Maybe he can bring in his lexicon. I hope that the Revelation verses have shown you that Jesus Christ is more than an archangel. He is the Alpha and the Omega. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:03pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
Guy i told you from the beginning, discussion is meant to impact knowledge and knowledge is useful when it's PRACTICALLY APPLIED. I have explained to you what i believe and shown you the benefits of it's practical application so if you think you know better then suit yourself. But i don't believe (trust) in some kind of faith that's NOT WORKING! James 2:18-26 May you have PEACE! ![]() sagenaija: |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by GardenOfGod(m): 3:15pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
EFULEFU1: Jehovah's Witnesses teach many things that are contrary to the scriptures. The most abominable of these errors is what they teach concerning Jesus According to the Witnesses, Jesus is "a god, but not the almighty God, who is Jehovah" (Let God Be True, p. 33). Instead, they say that Jesus is "a created individual" who "is the second greatest personage of the universe" (Make Sure Of All Things, p. 207) |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
There are many religious groups teaching different things about Jesus so there's no reason to kill yourself over what JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe. Just work on your own beliefs Jesus said "if it yields positive results everyone will see it" Matthew 5:13-16 ![]() GardenOfGod: |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by GardenOfGod(m): 3:31pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
GardenOfGod:I have been trying to avoid their "antichrist spirit" because their heart and soul have been corroded. They are like ocultic initiates, who took an oath to protect their doctrine. So I often regard responding to them a waste of time and resources. If I were to confront the "spirit" in them, I would use the power of truth to expose them. When you expos a lie with truth, the bearer becomes neked. For example, I will drop one truth to question the sanctity and scholarly IQ of the New World Translators of their own perverted version of the Bible. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: I just hope what you meant by sanctity and scholarly IQ should be put to test by fine WORKS that everyone can SEE {Matthew 5:14} and not some fruitless arguments of no benefits! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9 ![]() |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 3:43pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:You mean your own angel michael! LOL!! 2Cor11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by GardenOfGod(m): 4:04pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
GardenOfGod:The New Testament teaches that Jesus is God in many passages. "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men" (John 1:1-4). Here, as in these other passages in the New Testament (John 1:14; I John 1:1; and Revelation 19:13), the designated Word, or Logos, refers especially to Jesus. That John is referring to Jesus becomes clear when we look at John 1:14, where he said, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." John said, "The Word was God." The Witnesses say the word God in the original appears here without the definite article "the" and should be translated "a god." They fail to point out that the New Testament is filled with references to "God" without the use of a definite article in the Greek (two hundred and eighty-two times). Even the translators who render John 1:1 to read a god translate the exact same phrase as "God" in ninety-four percent of the other two hundred and eighty-one instances. To be consistent, these should say a god. This construction occurs twenty times in John's gospel alone. Should John 1:18, then, be translated, "No one has seen a god at anytime?" Take notice of the INCONSISTENCY in their translation. There are many others but I don't have time for them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:10pm On Aug 15, 2021 |
Chai, See IQ! ![]() So Satan can gather people from different races throughout the earth and make them forgo Racism and Politics! Then what else can he used to promote killings here and there? ![]() shadeyinka: |
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