ItsReal:




Lemme start from the bottom, all religions see people who disbelieve in their teaching as an opponent, I repeat ,All religions. So singling out Islam on this regard is unjustly.

To the Christian, a Muslim is an infidel. In fact , the word infidel was first used by Crusaders who ravaged wars against Muslims and Jews. To the Jewish man, if you are not a jew, you are not among the chosen ones, you are disbeliever. And in Islam , if you heard about the messengership of prophet Muhammad and yet you disbelieve, you are a disbeliever.
However, Islam regards people who were on the teachings of prophet Musa (moses) b4 the advent of Jesus as muslims and the real Christians who worship God and not Jesus b4 the advent of prophet Muhammed as muslims.

On the issue of blasphemy, I said it before, all religions and society has a law in form of punishment against blasphemy. All these western countries recently abolished their own blasphemy laws when the people started asking for the church to be excluded from government (secularism). You can Google this easily. Similar to this is the case of apostasy. To know more, endeavor to read more.

I will complete the response soon ,MA ba3 is about to go off

If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

RightChannel:


If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow...

I will come back to explain further to you. My ba3 is about to go off. I have to sleep also

HardMirror:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bie0-VdBCtA

I watched the above video titled; ISLAM AND BRITISH VALUES by BBC Big Questions

Most of the issues brought forward that are concerns relating to human rights abuses perpetuated in the name of Islam and the issues of the core belief of majority muslim scholars who actually support extreme measures such as killing of apostates or people they feel dishonor the religion.
Even Seun Osewa opened a thread here to seek the opinion of Nairaland muslims concerning the Iman that asked that an blasphemer be executed once he is released from custody. most muslims on the thread said they supported the Iman and the guy must be killed. yet the moment Muslims are in the open where they can be identified, they immediately switch and start claiming muslims do not kill.

why do you guys lie so much why cant you just take a stand based on your hatred for non muslims instead of pretending?

in the video above, the muslims keep denying that there are any human rights abuses promoted by muslim clerics. they do not even want to admit that there are any issues at all.

It is really baffling?

we all know that the issues being raised are ABSOLUTELY TRUE, so why dont we first accept the truth and if you dont like it, then we see where we can address them.

this is link to seun's thread

https://www.nairaland.com/6668567/condemn-sheikh-bello-yabo-incitiment

i am surprised so many muslims came out to boldly support the Sheikh that the guy must be killed. Yet the same muslims would say Killers are not true muslims. why this dishonesty?

And also their is no punishment for apostasy in Islam, secondly blasphemy is punishable by the law of any country which muslims can take advantage of, but their is no stipulated punishment for blasphemy in Islam.

ItsReal:
Also , you mentioned some stuff about the Muslim women. If you happen to know about Islam and you are not just a news hearer only, even you will debunk the claims that Muslim women are oppressed.

I believe the question of women being oppressed any started about less than a 100 tears ago. Yeah, go and make your research into the time when females started agitating for recognition in the society or equal represention.

If you read the encyclopaedia, you find out that the word woman is used by the English swim in a woe man, this is congruent to the belief of the Christians that Eve ,the wife of Adam lured her husband to eat the apple. They saw her and the women folks as the reason for their problems on earth.

In a verse of the Quran, Allah mentioned a case study of what happens with the Jews, Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 139:
وَقَالُوا مَا فِي بُطُونِ هَٰذِهِ الْأَنْعَامِ خَالِصَةٌ لِّذُكُورِنَا وَمُحَرَّمٌ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَإِن يَكُن مَّيْتَةً فَهُمْ فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ سَيَجْزِيهِمْ وَصْفَهُمْ إِنَّهُ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ

And they say: What is in the wombs of these cattle is specially for our males, and forbidden to our wives, and if it be stillborn, then they are all partners in it; He will reward them for their attributing (falsehood to Allah); surely He is Wise, Knowing.



also, before the messengership of prophet Muhammed, people would kill their female child. They saw them as bad luck (or just they English called them: the unfortunate man)
Here is the verse on that; Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 140:
قَدْ خَسِرَ الَّذِينَ قَتَلُوا أَوْلَادَهُمْ سَفَهًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَحَرَّمُوا مَا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ افْتِرَاءً عَلَى اللَّهِ قَدْ ضَلُّوا وَمَا كَانُوا مُهْتَدِينَ

They are lost indeed who kill their children foolishly without knowledge, and forbid what Allah has given to them forging a lie against Allah; they have indeed gone astray, and they are not the followers of the right course.



Mainly, I think the question should be that what is oppression to you? is oppression to you when you see a woman covered in hijab and not half naked, or when she takes care of her home and family while the husband goes out to look for food for the family.

any of the two you choose, it will amaze you to find out just about Less than a hundred years ago, even every sane person all over the world were fully clothed with out walking almost naked in the streets. Also, all women were housewives too.

so ask yourself this question, is it that when western countries are guilty of something u term as oppression now , you turn away and put no blame on them but point fingers at Muslims for the same thing.


that's the reason why I said if you know about islam,you wouldn't mention this at all. before the prophet muhammad, women's don't get any share of the inheritance at all. in fact , they were deemed as property of the husband just as people still do in the yoruba tribe where upon the death of a man, a family member can take over ownership of the wife.

on the issue of inheritance, women in Islam are to take inheritance from almost all possible relatives even though they are meant to be catered for by their fathers followed by their husbands in the event of marriage. this is as opposed to the male who can only take inheritance from some specific close relatives only.


not to make this long, I will conclude by saying the women of the disbelievers had no women right and they just of recent started clamoring for things women in Islam have been benefiting from since more than a thousand years ago.

but unfortunately, instead of them to recognize the Muslim women as their predecessors who had the rights they were looking for, they wanted more ( feminism ) and they started depicting Muslim women as the uncivilized oppressed woman.

Your Muslim women are oppresed should incase if you don't know. Your women are nothing in the sight of Allah and muhammad, I will give you some references on this and the reason why your women are so useless. Even in Jannah, women has NO reward when you Muslim men shall be meeting with 72 virgins each, No rewards for Muslim women.

This is what Allah says about Muslim women:

Quran 4:34

Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand.

Allah asks you to beat your wives, avoid them in beds, exhort them, etc. Does that make sense to you?

The following is from Muhammad's perspectives that you should beat your wives:

You have rights over your wives and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them but not with severity. If they refrain from these things they have the right to their food and clothing with kindness.

Sirat Rasul Allah, ibn Ishaq, A. Guillaume, translator. Oxford University Press, 1955, page 651.

ItsReal:



I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow...

You were disturbed on this

Quran 8:12

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs

Don't tell me you've never come across this verse since you joined the caucus of bloodthirsty and terrorism religion

RightChannel:


If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

Do you even know anything about how the church was in control of government in European countries?. do you know the reason for the call to secularism?. Have you ever heard of the word crusaders?.

Do you know what the non Christians majorly Jews faced at the hand of Christians? . The reconquest of spain? Infact, do you know anything about Christianity other than what your motivational speaker tell you on Sundays?

like have you read the bible that the church used to justify the crusaders, slavery, colonisation and the missionary?

or more importantly, do know what or who is referred to as the Church?


I believe your problem is deeply rooted in two things.
1. the black man disease ; reading
2. propaganda against Islam to prevent the spread of the religion.

Since you don't read, news media and your role models will fees you with what they want you to hear. and instead of you to research about it, you just follow sheepishly.


Even though it is understandable that someone who sees another thing as a threat to it may resolve to propaganda ,  you the listener shouldn't be excused for not trying to ascertain the true position of your perceived enemy.

There is an adage that says; he whose house is made of glass should not throw stone. You have something you regard as a problem in your religion, and then you cover it as though it never existed. thereafter, you begin to point blaming fingers on others.  Only an ignorant hypocrite will do that.


On the issue of killings, answer me. Who killed and tormented the life of the Jews? was it the Muslims. Did you even know that even before Adolf Hitler, the church has been killing and torturing Jews? Infact, the Islamic caliphate had always been the one to protect them. Read  Read Read and don't remain an ignorant fellow.


Did you know that the present day Spain and Portugal was an islamic state about 700 years ago. It was called Andalus. The Muslims ruled the country for about 700 years before the catholics came to take over the state. Muslims, Jews and non catholic Christians were tortured and killed or forced to be catholics. Did you know anything about this? NO. You know nothing but you what to talk.

There is a wise saying that a fool talks because he has to say something while the wise man talks because he has something to say.

By the way, just in case you don't know, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian . He was raised in a Catholic orphanage and grew up to hate Jews so much that he continued on the path of early Christians in killing the jews.



I no wan dey quote biblical verses mentioning killings and violence to you since you don't read. If you read a bit, you will notice that I gave an example of how the church charged Galileo for blasphemy and I told the OP to do a simple Google search to find out that blasphemy laws was just abrogated in European countries some years ago.

I mentioned it on this same thread but you still find it hard to read.

I really pity your condition. Na your type they make people say the reading culture is decreasing in the country.

RightChannel:


You were disturbed on this

Quran 8:12

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs

Don't tell me you've never come across this verse since you joined the caucus of bloodthirsty and terrorism religion

Please try to watch this short video. It is a concise answer to your post.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NAD97hsOw

[quote author=RightChannel post=104693690]

I am coming for you too

I have to prepare for the day. Today is a week day. Work dey

ItsReal:





Do you even know anything about how the church was in control of government in European countries?. do you know the reason for the call to secularism?. Have you ever heard of the word crusaders?.

Do you know what the non Christians majorly Jews faced at the hand of Christians? . The reconquest of spain? Infact, do you know anything about Christianity other than what your motivational speaker tell you on Sundays?

like have you read the bible that the church used to justify the crusaders, slavery, colonisation and the missionary?

or more importantly, do know what or who is referred to as the Church?


I believe your problem is deeply rooted in two things.
1. the black man disease ; reading
2. propaganda against Islam to prevent the spread of the religion.

Since you don't read, news media and your role models will fees you with what they want you to hear. and instead of you to research about it, you just follow sheepishly.


Even though it is understandable that someone who sees another thing as a threat to it may resolve to propaganda ,  you the listener shouldn't be excused for not trying to ascertain the true position of your perceived enemy.

There is an adage that says; he whose house is made of glass should not throw stone. You have something you regard as a problem in your religion, and then you cover it as though it never existed. thereafter, you begin to point blaming fingers on others.  Only an ignorant hypocrite will do that.


On the issue of killings, answer me. Who killed and tormented the life of the Jews? was it the Muslims. Did you even know that even before Adolf Hitler, the church has been killing and torturing Jews? Infact, the Islamic caliphate had always been the one to protect them. Read  Read Read and don't remain an ignorant fellow.


Did you know that the present day Spain and Portugal was an islamic state about 700 years ago. It was called Andalus. The Muslims ruled the country for about 700 years before the catholics came to take over the state. Muslims, Jews and non catholic Christians were tortured and killed or forced to be catholics. Did you know anything about this? NO. You know nothing but you what to talk.

There is a wise saying that a fool talks because he has to say something while the wise man talks because he has something to say.

By the way, just in case you don't know, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian . He was raised in a Catholic orphanage and grew up to hate Jews so much that he continued on the path of early Christians in killing the jews.



I no wan dey quote biblical verses mentioning killings and violence to you since you don't read. If you read a bit, you will notice that I gave an example of how the church charged Galileo for blasphemy and I told the OP to do a simple Google search to find out that blasphemy laws was just abrogated in European countries some years ago.

I mentioned it on this same thread but you still find it hard to read.

I really pity your condition. Na your type they make people say the reading culture is decreasing in the country.

You are trying to shift the goal post, I am very sure your terrorist Alfas, Imam, etc must have shown you this from the war manual book (Quran) of allah about Jews and Christians

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Qur'an 9:5

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

This is from the hadith:

Musnad Ahmad 215 Book 2, Hadith 132

If I live, in sha Allah, I shall certainly expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.

Just come with a verse from the Bible where God says you Muslims should be killed, slay, slaughtered, etc

Pity yourself, your generation, your fellow slaves, for this hatred against Jews and Christians and mind you, don't be surprise that you will disappointed in janat as there'll be NO virgin for you and your likes

ItsReal:




Please try to watch this short video. It is a concise answer to your post.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NAD97hsOw

So it is YouTube you want to use to defend your bloodthirsty allah

HardMirror:
i was born in kano, schooled in sokoto and jos and lived a while in Kaduna. i know the north he spoke about sokoto cos that is his experience and it is same for every state there. sokoto is in fact one of the most peaceful states there, yet extremism is still a problem. you are just hopping to avoid confronting the main issues. your aim is obviously to create a distraction from the issue

Chai! Just because I haven't called you a liar right? If you are talking from the experience where you lived why bring someone talking about Sokoto only in to the matter?

The way you divert from "the video" to "sokoto topic" to "your experience" is deceitful.

RightChannel:


You are trying to shift the goal post, I am very sure your terrorist Alfas, Imam, etc must have shown you this from the war manual book (Quran) of allah about Jews and Christians

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Qur'an 9:5

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

This is from the hadith:

Musnad Ahmad 215 Book 2, Hadith 132

If I live, in sha Allah, I shall certainly expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula.

Just come with a verse from the Bible where God says you Muslims should be killed, slay, slaughtered, etc

Pity yourself, your generation, your fellow slaves, for this hatred against Jews and Christians and mind you, don't be surprise that you will disappointed in janat as there'll be NO virgin for you and your likes

Owkay, it seems you want it rude.

Firstly, Islam is the religion practiced from from the start of time. The meaning of Islam is Submission. Submission to the commandments of God.
Ever since God created mankind, he has sent down prophets and books to serve as guidelines for them to remain guided. Generation after generation, prophets were raised in each nation or tribe to remind the people of their servitude to God. Adam was was the first of the prophets and he was the first human. Followed by him were prophets like nuh, ibrahim, ismaeel, ishaq, musa, eesa and the last prophet was Muhammad.

So it is a chain of prophets coming to deliver the same core message; Worship God only and stay away from associating partners with him.

With this, you will understand that when you hear the word Islam, it doesn't mean a new religion that started about 1400 years ago but the religion of all prophets of God.

That been said.

Each prophet was given a body of laws that is specific to the people they were sent to. And God is the one who makes the laws. Also, while all prophets were sent to their individual nations, the prophet muhammad was sent to the entire world as the last and seal of prophethood.


If you have a problem with the laws of islam, them you will have a problem with the laws found in Judaism,  Christianity and the laws of followers of other prophets of God.


I have been conversing with you as a sensible fellow until now that you just proved to be as senseless as it can get.

You are asking me for a verse in the bible about Muslims when the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after.  Ah ha, are you stupid or what. Your question is just like asking Jews why dey have to "kill jesus" and that were they told to do so in their Torah.
Using a simple common sensical logic, who should talk about who? The one who came after or the one who came before?


And I have told you a verifiable information, the Christians have been the worst enemies of the Jews since time immemorial.  Sadly, even though you saw my questions in that post ,you didn't reply to it.

Who have been killing the Jews  and who has been protecting them ?

If you don't know ,most of jews in Isreal now migrated from places like morrocco. Infact, when the jews massacre was on, the Islamic caliphate then were the ones harboring them from Christians brutality.

Infact, I recently watched a YouTube research video where Jews in Isreal were asked who they have found much peace with over the centuries. All of those who knew their past said muslims. And here you are trying to flip the script.  Hypocrite...

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klfip2scUIs


Also, there is a bit of a misconception you have. In the Quran, the jews and Christians are referred to as the people of the book and not grouped together with the pagans who are outrightly called disbelievers.

Also, the Muslims lived with jews right from in inception. to an extent that Muslim males were allowed to marry pious women from the people of the book. If the command was to kill them, then why marry from amongst them..

Are you now thinking ?

Allah said in the Quran ;

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
لَّا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 9:
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَن تَوَلَّوْهُمْ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.


am not done with you o. Just as I said, I have a job. I will come back to complete my message to you and then finalize it with what God has promised the dwellers of hell so that you may be warned.

ItsReal:




Owkay, it seems you want it rude.

Firstly, Islam is the religion practiced from from the start of time. The meaning of Islam is Submission. Submission to the commandments of God.
Ever since God created mankind, he has sent down prophets and books to serve as guidelines for them to remain guided. Generation after generation, prophets were raised in each nation or tribe to remind the people of their servitude to God. Adam was was the first of the prophets and he was the first human. Followed by him were prophets like nuh, ibrahim, ismaeel, ishaq, musa, eesa and the last prophet was Muhammad.

So it is a chain of prophets coming to deliver the same core message; Worship God only and stay away from associating partners with him.

With this, you will understand that when you hear the word Islam, it doesn't mean a new religion that started about 1400 years ago but the religion of all prophets of God.

That been said.

Each prophet was given a body of laws that is specific to the people they were sent to. And God is the one who makes the laws. Also, while all prophets were sent to their individual nations, the prophet muhammad was sent to the entire world as the last and seal of prophethood.


If you have a problem with the laws of islam, them you will have a problem with the laws found in Judaism,  Christianity and the laws of followers of other prophets of God.


I have been conversing with you as a sensible fellow until now that you just proved to be as senseless as it can get.

You are asking me for a verse in the bible about Muslims when the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after.  Ah ha, are you stupid or what. Your question is just like asking Jews why dey have to "kill jesus" and that were they told to do so in their Torah.
Using a simple common sensical logic, who should talk about who? The one who came after or the one who came before?


And I have told you a verifiable information, the Christians have been the worst enemies of the Jews since time immemorial.  Sadly, even though you saw my questions in that post ,you didn't reply to it.

Who have been killing the Jews  and who has been protecting them ?

If you don't know ,most of jews in Isreal now migrated from places like morrocco. Infact, when the jews massacre was on, the Islamic caliphate then were the ones harboring them from Christians brutality.

Infact, I recently watched a YouTube research video where Jews in Isreal were asked who they have found much peace with over the centuries. All of those who knew their past said muslims. And here you are trying to flip the script.  Hypocrite...

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klfip2scUIs


Also, there is a bit of a misconception you have. In the Quran, the jews and Christians are referred to as the people of the book and not grouped together with the pagans who are outrightly called disbelievers.

Also, the Muslims lived with jews right from in inception. to an extent that Muslim males were allowed to marry pious women from the people of the book. If the command was to kill them, then why marry from amongst them..

Are you now thinking ?

Allah said in the Quran ;

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
لَّا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 9:
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَن تَوَلَّوْهُمْ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.


am not done with you o. Just as I said, I have a job. I will come back to complete my message to you and then finalize it with what God has promised the dwellers of hell so that you may be warned.

Slave, I never knw you are as this confused until you vomits that trash in bolded above.

But Quran says Adam was the first Muslim, in fact you even affirmed it that Noah, Abraham, Jesus Christ all are Muslims and to come with a Bible verse where God says You Muslims should be slay, Killed, slaughtered, etc you quickly shifted the goal post telling me that the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after

When you're tagging Jesus Christ as a Muslim, Adam, Abraham as Muslims the word Muslim haven't came into existence then right? This your confusion is getting out of hand

You lack logic and sense of reasoning, when next time if you want to reason with people here on public forum like this, always think before vomiting trash, always do your findings well before vomiting trash. Olodo

Who are the polytheists, pagans, etc according to your bloody Allah. You are not interacting with a mumu like you. Don't let me come with another set of Quran chapters and verses that will finish your senses. Don't start what you won't finish

Christians hates Jews without Biblical proofs, No concrete evidence, just vomiting what your Alfas told you in mosque, you surrender yourself to be brainwashed, who hates Christians and Jews most if not Muhammad and Allah. You don't focus on the hatred the same Allah and muhammad shown to your MUSLIM WOMEN rather vomiting trash about Christians and Jews. Nonsense

Trust me, I don't engage people who I notice to be of low intellect in discussions. I will rather let go of you than respond. Also, you sound like a teenager, so I will cut you some slack.

I asked many questions , you still didn't answer. I understand that that you don't have answers to them.

However, I wouldn't lower myself to your standards. Sorry, I have responsibilities to take care of. No time to exchange words with you. All I would say at this point is that every just and sincere person reading our post would testify that I tried to have a civil and calm discussion with you.

You wouldn't find a Muslim abusing the religion of the Jews and Christians because we believe in the messenger sent to them. We are not uncultured people who display acts like yours. We have and follow rules and regulations. We were not created with no rules like animals who go out to do whatever they feel like.

That been said.

If you go Tru my post on my profile, you will notice that as soon as the person I am having a discussion with starts acting rudely and isn't ready to learn, I back out. I don't have much time to waste. Sorry, I have to give up on you.



But as a parting gift, since you refused to make the easy research I asked you, I have one last request for you.


Just as Google as provided you Websites to quote, ask the same Google "what awaits the dwellers of hell in the hereafter"


I would have written more than a thousand words to detail them for you but I have to unfollow this post at the moment.

Sorry, and I will stop replying to your posts.



I will leave with this article written by a Christian like you

Try to read it.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788


Shalom

RightChannel more anointing Brother and for you ItsReal that is not rude and high in intellect, what you said here is just praising the Brother you are in discussion with abi

"I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow..."

You ain't rude here ooo but when things fall apart you always look for an escaping route.

I so much like the way that Brother analyzed everything, you came up with your own rant and he confronted you with Quran and ahadith which you don't have choice rather than to succumb. He gave many points which I expect you to kicked against from Muslim women to the issue of Christians and Jews, etc. All your own points has no concrete evidence rather than showcasing what you've been told by your clerics that are as confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles.

RightChannel:


If you're an infidel as u said, Bible never teaches us to wage war against you Muslims unlike what Allah says here in Quran 8:12 "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve So strike above the necks and strike off every fingertip of theirs”...

Jesus Christ you said is a Muslim never taught his followers, disciples to kill you unbelievers rather he proclaimed love even to one's enemies.

On the issue of Blasphemy, you tagged Jesus Christ as a Muslim but you do blasphemy against him, nobody beheaded you for Blasphemy against him, nobody sent you to life imprisonment for blasphemy against Jesus Christ that you said is a Muslim like muhammad. BUT if someone mistakenly blasphemy against muhammad, I think you know the end story. Is muhammad superior than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim, is Muhammad Holiest than Jesus Christ you tagged as a Muslim?

Very funny indeed, Jesus Christ is a Muslim as he never carry kettle, bang his head on the floor, and so on. They can blasphemy against Jesus Christ but nobody dare blasphemy against Muhammad

HardMirror:
this thread is about the BEHAVIOUR of the muslims in the video which is same with that of muslims here in nigeria and all around the world.

You are very dishonest! The first few minutes of this video already challenged your ignorant portrayal of all Muslims around the world being the same, but you shamelessly claim all Muslims are the same all around the world! Are all Muslims boko haram where you live? Are there no Muslims in your family or your neighbourhood for you to see that not all Muslims go about killing others?

I am very very dissapointed in you Hardmirror but not surprised, since you made the same claim against Christians, and in a thread where Christians clearly showed you that they don't all believe alike!

Do know that I will post this where your peers will see it. That is the level of my disgust at your ignorance!

To everyone else, please see below my response when this individual made the same ignorant claim about Christians!

And know hard, I still immensely love you.

budaatum:

Really? So everyone who reads the Bible must believe the same thing even though we all have different abilities/capacities with which we understand what we read?

Then you better tell me where God is so I can ask why the fuq there's a brain in my head if I am not expected to use it!

HardMirror:
i hope you can read? the topic of this thread is DISHONESTY OF MUSLIMS.....

You should consider changing the title of this thread to DISHONESTY OF Hardmirror.

That would be much closer to the truth!

HardMirror:


this is a comment from your fellow muslim that totally agrees that majority of muslims in the north support extrajudicial killings as long as it concerns their religion.

One swan does not a summer make!

Atheists are meant to disbelieve, but see here an atheist who believes their own crap when just opening their eyes and looking around would enable him see the truth.

I can't read further than I've responded but I hope someone has made the effort to ask the op if all atheists think or believe or behave alike, or even like the op has here, because that ought to be sufficient to make him see how little he has reasoned here.

As for my own credentials, please see here.

budaatum:


One swan does not a summer make!

your comment is ridiculous. so you expected me to lift all the comments from the thread and post here as evidence? my experience living in several states of the north with muslim majority counts for nothing right?
it is a FACT not my opinion that muslims passionately hate those they feel are apostates and it is a FACT that majority support such people being killed and it is a FACT that other muslims that do not support such killings and abuse of fundamental human rights pretend they do not know that dismissal of these fundamental rights is a problem for majority of muslims when it comes head to head with their religion. i dont need to reply your other mentions as they are absolute nonsense

HardMirror:


this is a comment from your fellow muslim that totally agrees that majority of muslims in the north support extrajudicial killings as long as it concerns their religion.

I never support extra-judicial killings, maybe you should check what extra-judicial killings mean. All killings not sanctioned by judicial process is condemned by Sharia. But I wont flinched if a blasphemer is condemned. Anybody that deliberately derides Islam deserve whatever come his/her way.

Codepain:

I never support extra-judicial killings, maybe you should check what extra-judicial killings mean. All killings not sanctioned by judicial process is condemned by Sharia. But I wont flinched if a blasphemer is condemned. Anybody that deliberately derides Islam deserve whatever come his/her way.

i have no problem with you saying the bolded, but i have problem with muslims who want us to believe that muslims would never kill for their religion. at least you are honest

HardMirror:
i have no problem with you saying the bolded, but i have problem with muslims who want us to believe that muslims would never kill for their religion. at least you are honest

What makes you think they're being dishonest Do every Muslim have the same mind or think the same thoughts?

ANTIlSLAM:


Very funny indeed, Jesus Christ is a Muslim as he never carry kettle, bang his head on the floor, and so on. They can blasphemy against Jesus Christ but nobody dare blasphemy against Muhammad

ANTIlSLAM:
RightChannel more anointing Brother and for you ItsReal that is not rude and high in intellect, what you said here is just praising the Brother you are in discussion with abi

"I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow..."

You ain't rude here ooo but when things fall apart you always look for an escaping route.

I so much like the way that Brother analyzed everything, you came up with your own rant and he confronted you with Quran and ahadith which you don't have choice rather than to succumb. He gave many points which I expect you to kicked against from Muslim women to the issue of Christians and Jews, etc. All your own points has no concrete evidence rather than showcasing what you've been told by your clerics that are as confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles.

Amen Sir

tatatar:

What makes you think they're being dishonest Do every Muslim have the same mind or think the same thoughts?

all muslims are not the same, i never said they are all the same, but ANY muslim that tells me he does not know that the majority of muslims around the world support killing those considered apostates is a BLOOODY LIAR. Fact.

HardMirror:
all muslims are not the same, i never said they are all the same, but ANY muslim that tells me he does not know that the majority of muslims around the world support killing those considered apostates is a BLOOODY LIAR. Fact.

Yet again you make a wild assumption. Apostacy and the laws about it is not a discussion I have ever had with any Muslim. It isn't a tenet of faith. What I know of it is based on my own deliberate research on reliable fatwa sites. I know it's the majority view of scholars but I don't even know if majority of lay Muslims I deal with on a day to day basis know about it.

tatatar:

Yet again you make a wild assumption. Apostacy and the laws about it is not a discussion he has ever had with any Muslim. It isn't a tenet of faith. What I know of it is based on my own deliberate research on reliable fatwa sites. I know it's the majority view of scholars but I don't even know if majority of lay Muslims I deal with on a day to day basis even know about it.

thanks for being honest. i guess you are really being sincere so far, but you think i am being hash on muslims in general. maybe some modern muslims are on aware, but trust me, muslims that are very involved in islamic movements and groups know this just like you know this problem exist. so how do we tackle it

HardMirror:
thanks for being honest. i guess you are really being sincere so far, but you think i am being hash on muslims in general. maybe some modern muslims are on aware, but trust me, muslims that are very involved in islamic movements and groups know this just like you know this problem exist. so how do we tackle it

And often don't support it, as you'd find if you research into opposition to the the fatwa against Salman Rushdie; and are in the minority when it comes to Muslims on the whole, as most are worshipping their God and working for their daily bread.

In fact, the ones more likely to join a mob and call for an apostates head are those with nothing better to do with their time, which you can confirm by pointing out how many Muslims you met looking for apostates when you say you lived in Muslim North.

For reference, I have Muslims and apostates in my very own community and in my family - my maternal grandfather was a double apostate - and no one has killed anyone yet.

HardMirror:
this thread is about the BEHAVIOUR of the muslims in the video which is same with that of muslims here in nigeria and all around the world. why do majority of muslims hate so much but would pretend not to hate. i am really curious to why you say one thing in public and say another thing when with fellow muslims or when anonymous. that is what this thread is about.
why were you all in support of extrajudicial killings on Seun's thread on the topic, but when you are asked in public where your identity is known, majority would say Islam has nothing to do with killings or those who promote such?

Well, it's not quite that they are lying.
Its more than possible for a person to hold contradicting thoughts and views at the same time, it's just simply a human flaw.

It's more of a dissonance. They are mostly blind to their own hypocrisy, I know this because I've been in such a place. Until I started trying to see things from the eyes of someone else.