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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by sagenaija: 8:11am On Aug 16, 2021 |
Janosky:I wish I follow your flow of thoughts but I don't. I said that previously in another thread. So, I'll leave those who do to engage you more. For example, what in what I stated there calls for these questions from you? I don't get it. Since you've seen how other commented for a while before you came to this point it would have been helpful if you took their points one by one and respond to each point. Splashing your comments here and there and listing Bible verses without clear explanation does not make your contributions coherent. Look at these for instance: When I asked MaxinDHouse who was speaking in Revelation 1:17-18 and your response was Who killed Jehovah?how does that relate to what I asked? Instead of looking at was there and responding appropriately you came up with these questions. Suppose I decide to answer you based on how you assume what the other person's line of reasoning is or his position on an issue I could go on to ask you: Do angels die? Do you believe Archangel Michael became Jesus? How could he have died then? Such reasoning end up not resolving issues but muddle things up and prolong discussions. That is why again, I would advise that you state your points clearly and then clarify each one. Otherwise you end up appearing as only wanting to evade the other person's questions rather than answer them; maybe you do that because you know that they will challenge your theology, or to use the word of your colleague, your DOGMA. Again, try and give clarity to your points. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 8:18am On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:LOL! 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:32am On Aug 16, 2021 |
Speechless! That's more like it! No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD! Isaiah 54:17 KJV shadeyinka:
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Nancy2020(f): 8:44am On Aug 16, 2021 |
sagenaija:jW don't think properly that is why they muddle everything up they are already confused so their methods and doctrine is perverted already nothing can come from them that is worth while. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 8:45am On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:Sorry, I can see your Corona smile. May you recover on time! LOL |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05am On Aug 16, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Millions have died across the globe, so it has become another big joke!
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:10am On Aug 16, 2021 |
Nancy2020: Are you sure of the highlighted? Even with all our Kingdom Halls closed throughout the earth, see the power as in the proof of worship that's based on spirit and truth! John 4:24 Surely we are walking by faith and not by sight! 2Corinthians 5:7
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:03am On Aug 16, 2021 |
Spiritual baptism is what count The one holy spirit fills you up with his presence and gives you the ability to speak in tongues This is the experience you will never get in JW And that is what you go about looking for lol 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by achorladey: 11:29am On Aug 16, 2021 |
shadeyinka: He wants to play the victim card. Allow am ooo |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by achorladey: 11:36am On Aug 16, 2021 |
Nancy2020: One was saying to his fellow brother that they shouldn't waste time speaking to APOSTATES. The other responded that those he was in conversation with are not APOSTATES. I brought the different definitions of apostates as taught by their religious leaders they kept mute. None of them should be on this platform or thread should they go by their latest teachings that APOSTATES words or activities are POISONS that should be avoided by all means. So when you stated... they don't think properly that is why they muddle everything You should know where the problem emanated from. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by shadeyinka(m): 12:36pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
achorladey:I have allowed him! LOL!! |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by capnies: 1:06pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
LET ME REPLACE THE WORD WITH GOD IN JOHN 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE GOD AND THE GOD WAS WITH GOD AND THE GOD WAS GOD. WITHOUT BIAS LOOK AT THE VERSE 1B AND THE GOD WAS WITH GOD BEING WITH SOMEBODY MEANS WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON THE ORIGINAL TEXT SAYS AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, IF THE WORD THEN METAMORPHOSE TO GOD WHO WAS THE WORD WITH. WHAT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND FROM JOHN 1:1 IS THAT THE TWO DIFFERENT SPELLINGS THERE WAS TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE THE WORD (JESUS) FROM GOD( YAHWEH OR JEHOVAH; BECAUSE JESUS WAS CREATED NOBODY CAN ARGUE THAT AND HE WAS FROM THE BEGINNING BUT GOD WAS BEFORE THE BEGINNING. IF YOU THINK JESUS IS GOD THEN WHO WAS HE BEGGING IN PSALM 16:10 ... DON'T LIVE MY BODY IN THE GRAVE PLEASE DON'T ALLOW ME TO DECAY WHO WAS HE CALLING MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME IT MEANS A BEING FAR HIGHER THAN HIM HAS BEEN PROTECTING HIM ALL THIS WHILE. DONT LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR PASTORS PREACH, YOU ON YOUR OWN READ THE BIBLE WITH OPEN MIND AND ASK GOD TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND. I HAVE READ THE CONFESSION OF AN AMERICAN PASTOR WHO SAID HE PREACHED JESUS IS GOD FOR MORE THAN 40YRS BEFORE HE SAW THE TRUTH IN THE SAME BIBLE HE HAS BEEN CARRYING FOR MORE THAN 40YRS. THE TRUTH IS OUR PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES ARE NOT FACING REALITY THE ARE PREACHING LIES I KNOW AM A MEMBER AND I ARGUE IT SO MUCH DURING SUNDAY SCHOOLS I THINK OUR PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES NEEDS REFORMATION WE HAVE DEVIATED FROM THE TRUTH |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:16pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
capnies: All this things have been explained many times in nairaland unless you are new to the explanation Jesus is the second Adam Jesus is complete God and complete man Jesus is the express image of God |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:18pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
capnies: HE BEGGING IN PSALM 16:10 ... DON'T LIVE MY BODY IN THE GRAVE PLEASE DON'T ALLOW ME TO DECAY WHO WAS HE CALLING MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME Answer Now as a man you see him Jesus call on God Now as God he is you see him forgive sins and do what no man can do |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:21pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
capnies: To understand Jesus you need to understand trinity God exists as The Father The son The holy spirit To understand who Jesus as a man is you need to understand yourself Man exists or is made up of Body sometimes called the flesh Soul which is sometimes called the mind Spirit which is sometimes called the heart HE BEGGING IN PSALM 16:10 ... DON'T LIVE MY BODY IN THE GRAVE PLEASE DON'T ALLOW ME TO DECAY WHO WAS HE CALLING MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME When God manifest as the son that is only when you see him in his human form and the purpose of that is to take away sin which is in man If you read the bible properly you will see the soul can be seen and it equally separate from the body in it own dimension The spirit can be seen too and it different from the soul and body But all this three components is what makes a man the flesh which contains the blood can speak the soul can equally speak , the spirit too can speak It all in the Bible. As a man who Jesus is he can shit Thirst, die, any thing that falls on Adam can fall on him Now as God who Jesus is he can raise himself up from death, he can command devil to keep still, he can do anything that only God can do God the father equally called Jesus God Only problem your Jw Bible twist it so you can not see it properly |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:35pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
No matter how much you try to reason with them TRINITY won't allow them see things clearly! capnies: |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:38pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
capnies: Bible says God doesn't even trust his angels so calling Jesus an angel is a great evil thing to do Yes we are in the period of grace so nothing can happen to you but one thing is sure at the end of time you will see him as the true God Until you accept the holy spirit as God before he can work on your group water baptism is just to fulfill all physical requirements the main baptism is holy spirit baptism which he enters you and gives you the gift of tongues If Jesus was Michael he would have said it after all he kept saying I am he meaning I am God Jesus said he saw Satan fall from heaven he could have said he was the one who fought Satan, no rather he was just watching as he fell to earth and Bible shows God did not partake in the fight only Michael and his angels fought so Jesus is more than an angel he is God |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by eomajeh: 1:54pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
EFULEFU1: You really think you are exposing them? You asked why JWs hate Jesus. It is the for same reason(s) you hate Mohammed, Krishna, etc. The JW beliefs do not call for them to rever Jesus the way your beliefs do. Remember, your beliefs also do not call for you to rever Mohammed the way the beliefs of some do. At the end of the day, it comes down to ones beliefs. |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:57pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
eomajeh: You are correct but then Is it not better they stop using the Bible to do evil Because the Bible is about Jesus God said Jesus name is the only name to call on so why then twist Bible when they know they hate the Jesus name that is above all names |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: The highlighted! Exactly the same fanatical spirit which led the Church fathers back then to start killing people for possession of the Bible, gradually the wolf (Betscoreodds) is removing his sheep clothing!
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 4:48pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You know am not violent as you Mr cia |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:22pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: It's what comes from the heart determines that! Bishopkingsley: You are correct but then Is it not better they stop using the Bible to do evil Matthew 15:17 The Bible belongs to God not your father's property, so you have no right to decide who will use it. God is the owner and only judge to decide that! |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 7:54pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: God is saying my word is me You said no that God word is an angel Don't you think it shows your not supposed to be saying what you don't actually know |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by achorladey: 9:24pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: As the canon of books of God’s Word was expanded and the Christian Greek Scriptures were added to complete the Bible, each book was written directly to the Christian congregation or to a member of the Christian congregation in its behalf. Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah’s visible organization in mind.w67 10/1 p. 587 par. 9 I bet you know what that ORGANIZATION means and the particular organization under consideration here.
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Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:55pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
achorladey: Jehovah’s visible organization in mind.w67 10/1 p. 587 par. 9 This above nonsense got me laughing No where in Bible you will see anything like Jehovah witness you can't even see organization they so much believe in When GB drink alcohol to their satisfaction they just sit and write nonsense food for their gullible to eat Lol 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: That's exactly why Boko Haram are killing people up and down! You're not supposed to tell people saying so and so person shouldn't use the Bible, that's my point. You can say "this or that person is wrong" then substantiate with reasoning but outrightly saying someone is not supposed to use the Bible is tantamount to standing in God's position! |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:24pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Now let me rephrase the bolded and the red perhaps you will understand what i'm saying! When the Imams drink Alcoholic to their Satisfaction they just sit and write nonsense food for their gullible followers to eat Meaning whatever gibberish they're telling their own members is no man's business but coming to the general public and trying to instigate people who don't even believe in the Bible at all against a specific group is what makes you a Pharisee: But Jews arrived from Antioch and I·coʹni·um and persuaded the crowds, and they stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, imagining that he was dead. Act 14:19 Note that each Church do PREACH against the other but that's (within their own gathering) so it's their members alone that will hold what they were taught against one another. But when any person or group of persons began instigating people against a particular group then you're PRACTICING what the Pharisees did against Jesus before Pontius Pilate! Remember that Jesus committed no offense against anyone PERSONALLY just as JWs never wronged you in any way, that's why the Roman Governor (Pilate) could say "i found nothing against him" but the Jewish religious leaders were the ones instigating the crowd to demand for the release of Barrabas so that Jesus could be killed. In the same manner, the JWs did nothing evil against you in person but you feel they're wrong. So it's best you tell your own Church members and how they got it wrong. But coming out to say "they shouldn't be allowed to touch the Bible" is already making you a terrorist like the Boko Haram! |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 11:50pm On Aug 16, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You can't equate your organization to that of Jesus followers because none of them called him angel Michael Even when he asked them to guess non mention any angel, Jesus never identified as an angel Jesus flogged those who sold in the temple of God, Jesus is my father and you are spreading evil cult view about him and making your organization to be above Christ Bible talks about Jesus witness but you switch it to Jehovah witness and Jesus hateness lol Every imagination that exalt itself above the knowledge of Christ will be brought down the same way babel was brought down Am not violent but you want to play the innocent type when you are a dangerous wolf Using demonic idea from your perverted Bible to lead innocent minds astray Our job is to bind your actions thereby casting your teaching down showing people the cult that uses Bible as it way to miss lead many 1 Like |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by achorladey: 12:53am On Aug 17, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: It is that concept called ORGANIZATION that is the problem. Placing Jehovah in front makes it more appealing to buy into it but reality says it's just like every other organization set up by men to foster the agenda such men want to advance. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:45am On Aug 17, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Tell yourself the highlighted not me. Mr four in one person. Mr Bishopkingsley Mr Betscoreodds✓ Mr Kingsnairaland Mr GardenofGod |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by Bishopkingsley(m): 8:15am On Aug 17, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: If you can pervert the Bible Then saying am four in one person won't be a big deal for you No mater how you try to rope them to me it won't stick because everyone knows how JW gain their understanding which is by manipulation and twisting Bible they use Satan's idea to explain scripture When God commands us to use scripture to interpret scripture |
Re: Why Do JEHOVAH WITNESSES Hate Jesus So Much? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24am On Aug 17, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: No wahala, go and convince OkCornel that you're not behind multiple accounts! OkCornel:
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