patrickmuf:
City like us have a lot of versatile players. At some point I was struggling to list their 2nd 11...They don't have that much players in terms of numbers but they have players who can play in many positions and Pep trust them... We also have such players that's what I intended to point out when ai listed the respective players per team who can play in any position but it's left for the coaching staff to figure out how to use our large pool of talented players...

united have players,, a coach but have no team...united can't finish top2 D's season... u can take D's to d bank

afrodoc2:


That question na JAMB question. Only the gods can answer it.

Doc, is DM the only position? While they might edge it, aren't we better in other areas?

macjireh:

united have players,, a coach but have no team...united can't finish top2 D's season... u can take D's to d bank

Abeg shift...

patrickmuf:
Una dey praise Ole for beating Pep, Klopp, Mourinho and other tip coaches but una no want give the players props...If you think Ole is a top coach for beating the aforementioned world class managers, why then do you think his players are inferior to those of the other teams?

This one dey ment I wonder if there's a price for winning this argument.
Solksjaer Remains the Coach till season if you like bring different team sheets Carrington is far away except if the shareholder here (who by the way is a minority shareholder)
Decides to ring the board nothing is happening to Ole
Know this and know peace

chidexxy007:

The question is, why are we still clamouring for DM if we have McT that is better than one of the top 3 DMs in the league?

Must we be better than City in every position? When Liverpool won the league, were they better than City in every position?

GloryIsaac:


Can’t you see that Pep can rotate his squad without a drop in quality? Except in the CF role.

Why else do you think you can’t pick Pep’s first XI?

If United drops to Dalot, defence on the right side is effectively weakened.

Varane has not kicked a ball but you added him to win argument. Well, that should tell you what you think of Lindelof.

Maguire to Bailly is a drop. No long discussions.

You put Fred, Pogba, Bruno in our first XI, so who’s the DM? Or United doesn’t play with DMs?

Who will deputize for Bruno? The VDB y’all castigate here?

The fact that you add Daniel James to win an argument is extremely laughable.

James can’t make City’s 2nd XI, but he somehow makes United’s. Isn’t that telling you anything?

By your logic, James is Sancho’s replacement... but you dare compare with Man City?

If McTom is in United’s Second XI and Fred is in the first, then how did the name “McFred” come about?



No wahala sha.. the target is Olé, so I get it.

You've said it all.

LORDLARGE:


This one dey ment I wonder if there's a price for winning this argument.
Solksjaer Remains the Coach till season if you like bring different team sheets Carrington is far away except if the shareholder here (who by the way is a minority shareholder)
Decides to ring the board nothing is happening to Ole
Know this and know peace

I don't know you, when you are ready, log in with your recognizable moniker...

Dem don dey cook fire gradually.

patrickmuf:
I don't know you, when you are ready, log in with your recognizable moniker...

Ain't got no time for endless arguments
And by the way this is my one and only moniker
Not replying you again though because it seems you've got an ample time to argue

afrodoc2:


That question na JAMB question. Only the gods can answer it.

Maybe Elrony fit epp us.

chidexxy007:

You've said it all.

Lol Maguire to Bailly is drop in quality but Dias to Ake is improvement...

AWB to Dalot is drop in quality but Zichenko to Mendy is improvement abi?

Ederson to Steffen is improvement abi?

Mahrez to Silva is improvement abi?

Who be City CF sef? Greenwood is better than any you bring up talk less of Cavani but no, let's trash ours...

Trevor is actually right lmao

Who needs Bruno when Pogba is here? Please send him back to Sporting Lisbon

Who needs a DM, when we are on par with Man City? Isn’t that selfishness? No need to waste money please.

Why did Sancho even join this team? Please send him back to Dortmund. We are fully capable. Our superstar Daniel James is more than ready.

We could have easily won the league without these people, so why are the Americans wasting money?

LORDLARGE:

Ain't got no time for endless arguments
And by the way this is my one and only moniker
Not replying you again though because it seems you've got an ample time to argue

You should never have replied in the first place...

chidexxy007:

You've said it all.

Pep swaps players week in week out and it’s like nothing happened. Even the almighty De Bruyne

Swap out Bruno for VDB, and come read the comments on this thread that day.

“He’s too slow” “He plays too safe” “He likes passing” “He’s not aggressive”.... tears upon tears. Funniest aspect is it’ll be from the same camp that believes we’re on par with City

GloryIsaac:
Trevor is actually right lmao

Who needs Bruno when Pogba is here? Please send him back to Sporting Lisbon

Who needs a DM, when we are on par with Man City? Isn’t that selfishness? No need to waste money please.

Why did Sancho even join this team? Please send him back to Dortmund. We are fully capable. Our superstar Daniel James is more than ready.

We could have easily won the league without these people, so why are the Americans wasting money?

So, why did City sign Grealish, why are they after Kane? Why did they sign Dias? Why did Pep sign Rodri?

Your argument falls flat on its head...

GloryIsaac:


Pep swaps players week in week out and it’s like nothing happened. Even the almighty De Bruyne

Swap out Bruno for VDB, and come read the comments on this thread that day.

Isn't that a knock on Ole?

patrickmuf:
Una dey praise Ole for beating Pep, Klopp, Mourinho and other tip coaches but una no want give the players props...If you think Ole is a top coach for beating the aforementioned world class managers, why then do you think his players are inferior to those of the other teams?

Lol. Ole is a tactical genius. The players are sh1t!

nitrogen:


Lol. Ole is a tactical genius. The players are sh1t!

You dey mind them?

GloryIsaac:


You mean Dr. Rashford MBE?

Rashford is yet to take the Hippocratic oath sire.

Can't remember him having more than 2 major injury layoffs for us and he's been here 5 years already.

But I disagree with Mrviktor. Rashford is not a CF and can't lead the line consistently. Sure he can do a job there but he is not a dependable CF.

Rashford has the potential to become a World Class LWF like Son and I think consistency is key as he is already delivering world-class numbers albeit not with the requisite consistency needed to be truly world-class.

patrickmuf:
Doc, is DM the only position? While they might edge it, aren't we better in other areas?

In my opinion by signing Varane and Sancho we have closed the gap but they are still ahead. The reason why that DM is so important is because the kind of star players we have in attacking midfield makes it crucial for us to have someone who can play CDM alone.

It is a matter of personal opinion which is why i don't want to get too involved in this debate. It depends on how highly you rate each player.
When i look at Mata, James, Lingard, Dalot, Telles that is a large number of players that are just not up to the level we need right now IMO.

In saying this i am not hoping to protect Amaka. Everybody knows he is our weakest link but that does not mean i still can't believe City's squad is stronger.

patrickmuf:
Abeg shift...

na here we dey na

DeadPresidents:


Rashford is yet to take the Hippocratic oath sire.

Can't remember him having more than 2 major injury layoffs for us and he's been here 5 years already.

But I disagree with Mr.viktor. Rashford is not a CF and can't lead the line consistently. Sure he can do a job there but he is not a dependable CF.

Rashford has the potential to become a World Class LWF like Son and I think consistency is key as he is already delivering world-class numbers albeit not with the requisite consistency needed to be truly world-class.

Thought it had already been bestowed on him.

Our perspectives align. Rashford has always been better on the left, so no need forcing him to be a 9.

Haaland should be gotten, though drama is certain to follow after a year or two.

patrickmuf:
Okay, I'll do...

Goal Keepers...

Manchester United - De Gea, Henderson, Heaton

City - Ederson, Steffen

Verdict - I think it's a par, although we have better quality sub...

Defense...

Right back options
Manchester United - Wan-Bissaka, Dalot

City - Walker, Cancelo...

Verdict - City is clearly better here...

RCB -

Manchester United - Varane, Lindelof

City - Stones, Dias

Verdict - Manchester United edges them out as Dias plays mostly from the left and Stones is not better than Varane...

LCB;

Manchester United - Maguire, Bailly

City - Dias, Laporte

Verdict - Nothing to choose from here, Maguire is always available and his solid much like Dias...Laporte is better option from the bench though.

Left back;

Manchester United - Shaw, Telles

City - Zichenko, Mendy

Verdict - Manchester United are clearly better here...

Defensive Midfield;

Manchester United - Matic, McTominay

City - Fernandinho, Rdodri

Verdict - City arguably edges things out here, Matic cancels out Fernandinho whilst Rodri and McTominay are good in their own ways depending on the style of play of each team...As I said, it's arguable but let's give it to City...

Center Midfield;

Manchester United - Pogba, Fred, VDB

City - Gundogan, Rodri, KDB

Verdict - Manchester United edges it here as they have the players better suited to the role...

AMF

Manchester United - Bruno, Pogba, VDB, Mata

Manchester City - KDB, Grealish, B. Silva, Gundogan, Foden

Verdict - Availability plays a crucial role here, Bruno is almost always available compared to KDB and his numbers speaks so, I'd look at the other options and think it's a par, Pogba is more than capable of slotting into the role too just as City have Grealish...

LWF

Manchester United - Rashford, Martial, Sancho, James

City - Sterling, Torres, Grealish, Foden

Verdict - Both sides have the quality and numbers thus it is difficult to choose which is superior...

RWF

Manchester United - Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, James...

Manchester City - Mahrez, Silva, Sterling, Foden

Verdict - Again, both sides are loaded with quality and numbers here, difficult to choose...

CF

Manchester United - Cavani, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford

City - Jesus, Torres, Sterling

Verdict - Manchester United edges it here...

Combined team...

Goal keeper - De Gea/Ederson

LB - Wallker/Cancelo

RCB - Varane

LCB - Maguire/Dias

LB - Shaw

DM - Rodri

CM - Pogba

AM - Bruno/KDB

LWF - Rashford/Grealish

CF - Cavani

RWF - Sancho/Mahrez

Both teams are loaded with quality players, in my opinion, the difference swill come down to the ingenuity of the respective managers and how lucky they are with injuries...

If you think otherwise, let's read your take...

Cc: Afrodoc2 CapitalCee GloryIsaac melodyogonna nitrogen and others...

My take

Goalkeeper - Ederson

RB - Cancelo

RCB - Varane

LCB - Maguire

LB - Shaw

DM - Rodri

CM - KDB (KDB just about edges it in defensive contributions for me)

AM - Bruno

LWF - Rashford (I need goal-scoring LWFs and Grealish doesn't cut it for me)

CF - Cavani

RWF - Mahrez (Sancho is still an unknown quantity in the EPL so Mahrez gets the benefit here)

afrodoc2:



In my opinion by signing Varane and Sancho we have closed the gap but they are still ahead. The reason why that DM is so important is because the kind of star players we have in attacking midfield makes it crucial for us to have someone who can play CDM alone.

It is a matter of personal opinion which is why i don't want to get too involved in this debate. It depends on how highly you rate each player.
When i look at Mata, James, Lingard, Dalot, Telles that is a large number of players that are just not up to the level we need right now IMO.

In saying this i am not hoping to protect Amaka. Everybody knows he is our weakest link but that does not mean i still can't believe City's squad is stronger.

Well, it's generally accepted we need a DM however City more than ever do have deficiencies...Cancelo was deployed at LB today just because Pep doesn't trust his LB options...They're lacking in the CF position so, while they might blitz past Norwich, they'll struggle against top opposition...

No matter how I want to excuse Ole, I think the buck stops at his table, he has to find a way to utilize the squad better, that's one area where Pep has mastered, we have the numbers and quality, we just need to make it count...

DeadPresidents:


My take

Goalkeeper - Ederson

RB - Cancelo

RCB - Varane

LCB - Maguire

LB - Shaw

DM - Rodri

CM - KDB (KDB just about edges it in defensive contributions for me)

AM - Bruno

LWF - Rashford (I need goal-scoring LWFs and Grealish doesn't cut it for me)

CF - Cavani

RWF - Mahrez (Sancho is still an unknown quantity in the EPL so Mahrez gets the benefit here)

Fair enough...That's 6 for us and 5 for them...Can you please do a replacement per position let me see what your option from the bench will look like?

GloryIsaac:
An injury to Bruno, and all these arrogance will fall.

Continue

Hold your coach responsible for that

eph12:

Hold your coach responsible for that

Gbam!

Mrviktor:


I don't think Spain is as lucrative as it used to be again..

Knowing raiola.. He would want a team that can pay big.

England cam guarantee that.

But I feel Halland would be tempted by Bayern..

Lewandowski is already getting old.

Likelyhood of United Landing Halland is low.

Since we failed to land him b4..

Plus this Pogba Crysis..

I feel Rashford should just be 9 next season..

I think United actually has the biggest chance of signing him if the right cards are played.

TheLequte:

But strikers like Lewandowski will never accept to be a backup option to a teenager.

he can fight for his position in the end. it's a healthy competition.
Cavani wasn't signed to lead the line always but by the end of last season he was one of the first names on the sheet.

eph12:

Hold your coach responsible for that

Not your coach??

patrickmuf:
Fair enough...That's 6 for us and 5 for them...Can you please do a replacement per position let me see what your option from the bench will look like?

Bench Replacements

Here I'm only taking entries from both teams' second elevens.

Goalkeeper - Henderson

RB - Walker

RCB - Lindelof

LCB - Laporte

LB - Telles (I don't rate Mendy at all)

DM - Fernandinho

CM - VDB

AM - Bernardo Silva

LWF - Foden (worlds better than James who is our backup LWF)

CF - Martial (Martial is essentially our backup CF now )

RWF - Greenwood

City overwhelmingly dominant when it comes to second-team choices here.

Edit

Lindelof for me as Stones is a first teamer

AnfieldFan:


Fabinho, Henderson and even recently Milner..

Both Emre Can and Gini played DM once or twice when they were at Liverpool

4-3-3 formation doesn't require a sitting DM such as Ndidi and the likes. Rodri is always assisted by other midfielder same as Henderson.