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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:58pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
DeadPresidents:It must mean you do not rate Pogba because he should be starting ahead of Silva who for me does not create enough, he is a fine player but is not backed by numbers...I'd also pick Matic ahead of Fernandinho right now and Gundogan ahead of VDB... Laporte? I am not sure he is better than Lindelof now except that he is left footed... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by BARAJ92(m): 9:12pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
DeadPresidents:Who are City, first choice defenders when you include both stones and laporte as second choice defenders |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Mrviktor(m): 9:21pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
DeadPresidents: So how do u fix the overload problem.. We know lingard is going to move on.. But then there is. TIER 2 ELANGA. CHONG. AMAD. JAMES. TIER 1 GREENWOOD RASHFORD MARTIAL. SANCHO and only 2 can play. Out of 8 players. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by adebayo201: 9:26pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
BARAJ92: Ake and Cutlass |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by DeadPresidents: 9:30pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
patrickmuf: I consider Pogba a member of the United first team and as such should not be involved with any second team list. I’d take Fernandinho ahead of Matic if I’m fielding Lindelof at the back. I consider Gundogan to be a City first teamer |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by melodyogonna(m): 9:37pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Ah Ah now! Argument since morning? No be so life suppose be na |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 9:44pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
DeadPresidents:Nice one... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Softwareguy21: 9:46pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
melodyogonna:such is life. I just dey on reading mode. Oga Patrickmuf. You're making alot of sense |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 10:03pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
chidexxy007: Nobody is saying Mctoms is better than Rodri. The question is does City have more depth by far than Man Utd? Its by all means a capital NO. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 10:05pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
patrickmuf: They will avoid this question. So because City have a better DM than Man Utd just a single position, that means UTD as team lack quality? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 10:08pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
DeadPresidents: Son could be better than Rashford, but you need to check their stats for last 2 season to draw your conclusions. Rashford is a quality player |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:25pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
patrickmuf: 1 Now, I'll list each available player for each position. Each player should be able to offer a not-disasterclass performance in that position for the team. GK - Ederson, Henderson, De Gea, Steffen, Heaton, RB- Bissaka, Walker, Cancelo, Dalot, RCB- Varane, Lindelof, Stones, Diaz, Maguire, Varane, Laporte, Ake, Bailly LCB- Varane, Lindelof, Stones, Diaz, Maguire, Varane, Laporte, Ake, Bailly LB - Shaw, Telles, Zinchenko, Mendy DM- Matic, Rodri, McTom, Fred, Gundogan, Fernadinho CM- Matic, Rodri, McTom, Fred, Gundogan, Fernadinho, Pogba, B. Silva, KDB, VDB, Bruno Fernandez, Graelish, Phil Foden, AM- Lingard, VDB, KDB, B. Silva, Phil Foden, Pogba, B. Fernandez, Graelish, Gundogan, RWF - Mahrez, B. Silva, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Martial, James, Lingard, Sterling, Foden, Ferran Torres, LWF- Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Sterling, Graelish, Jesus, James, Sancho, Lingard, Foden, CF - Jesus, Cavani, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford, Sterling Afrodoc2 capitalcee gloryisaac patrickmuf 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:26pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
2 Now, I'm going to rank the players based on their quality and ability and what they offer to their teams for each position in recent times (the last 2 seasons). GK- Ederson, De Gea, Henderson, Jeffers, Heaton, RB- Cancelo, K. Walker, Wan BIssaka, Dalot, RCB- Varane, Diaz, p Maguire, p Laporte, p Lindelof, Stones, Bailly, Ake LCB - Maguire, Diaz, p Laporte, p Lindelof, q Varane, q Stones, q Ake, Bailly, LB - L. Shaw, Zinchenko, p Telles, p Mendy, p DM- Rordri, Fernandinho, Matic, Gundogan, Fred, Mctom, CM- KDB, Bruno Fernandez, Pogba, Gundogan, McTom, q Fred, q B. SIlva, Fernadinho, p Matic, p Rodri, p Graelish, Foden, VDB AM- Bruno Fernandez, KDB, Graelish, Phil Foden, Pogba, B. Silva, p Gundogan, p VDB, Lingard, RWF - Mahrez, Sancho, Greenwood, B. Silva, Rashford, p Sterling, p Ferran Torres, Foden, Martial, Lingard, q James, q LWF- Graelish, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho, Pogba, Jesus, Foden, Martial, Lingard, James, CF- Cavani, Jesus, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford, Sterling, Ferran Torres Afrodoc2 capitalcee gloryisaac patrickmuf 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:27pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
3. Now I'll eliminate some players from some positions based on their unlikelihood to play that position because of: their strength in other positions the probability of the team not to lose quality as a result of them not playing that position. how often they've played that position in the last 2 years. GK: Heaton will hardly see shirt. Defense will remain unchanged. Gundogan will be removed from DM B. Fernandez, Fernadinho, Matic, Rodri, Graelish, and Foden will be removed from CM Martial will be removed from RWF Pogba from LWF Sterling from CF You’ll have this left: ( p and q indicate the same level of contribution. Or it’s very close) GK- Ederson, De Gea, Henderson, Jeffers, RB- Cancelo, K. Walker, Wan BIssaka, Dalot, RCB- Varane, Laporte Lindelof, Diaz, p Maguire, p Stones, Bailly, Ake LCB - Maguire, p Diaz, p Laporte, Varane, q Lindelof, q Stones, q Ake, Bailly, LB - L. Shaw, Zinchenko, p Telles, p Mendy, p DM- Rordri, Fernandinho, Matic, Fred, Mctom, CM- KDB, Pogba, Gundogan, McTom, q Fred, q B. SIlva, VDB AM- Bruno Fernandez, KDB, Graelish, Phil Foden, Pogba, B. Silva, p Gundogan, p VDB, Lingard, RWF - Mahrez, Sancho, Greenwood, B. Silva, Rashford, p Sterling, p Ferran Torres, Foden, Lingard, q James, q LWF- Graelish, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho, Jesus, Foden, Martial, Lingard, James, CF- Cavani, Jesus, Greenwood, Martial, Rashford, Ferran Torres, I’ll call this the raw ranked data. Now, you can now work on this data- in two major ways. You can pick a first, second, third and fourth XI from these players using a 4-3-3 formation from these rankings. Then you see which team has most of their players in the first and second team and who has more in the 3rd and fourth team. You can give each player a score based on their position in the ranking and then calculate the overall score of each team for each position. Method 1 tells you which team has not much quality while Method 2 reveals each team’s squad depth and how quality the squad depth is. Although Method 1 is quite telling, I prefer Method 2 because it takes more data into consideration and is more revealing. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:27pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
4. Method 1. First & 2nd XI - Ederson (MCI), De Gea (MAN) Defence: RB - Cancelo (MCI) & Walker (MCI), CB- Varane (MAN) & Maguire (MAN) Diaz (MCI) Laporte (MCI), LB - Shaw (MAN) Zinchenko (MCI) Midfield: DM- Rodri (MCI) Fernandinho (MCI), - CM/AM Bruno (MAN) KDB (MCI) Pogba(MAN) Graelish (MCI) Forward: RWF Mahrez (MCI) Sancho (MAN) LWF - Rashford (MAN) Sterling (MCI) CF - Cavani (MAN) Jesus (MCI) Teams 1&2 are grouped together because there isn’t much difference between them in terms of quality and competition. But if you pick a starting XI in teams 1& 2 and compare it with either team 3 or 4, the difference in quality will be glaring. 3rd team - Henderson (MAN) Defence: RB- AWB (MAN) CB - Lindelof (MAN) Stones (MCI) - LB- Telles (MAN) Midfield: DM - Matic (MAN) - CM/AM - McTom (MAN) Phil Foden (MCI) Forward: RWF- B. Silva (MCI) CF - Greenwood (MAN) LWF - Martial (MAN) 4th team - Jeffers (MCI) Defence: RB - Dalot (MAN) CB - Bailly (MAN) & Ake (MCI) - LB- B. Mendy(MCI) Midfield: DM- Fred (MAN) , CM/AM - B. Silva (MCI), VDB (MAN) Forward: RWF Lingard CF- Ferran Torres (MCI) LWF - James (MAN) This data interpretation shows how much quality squad depth a team doesn’t have. None of the players in the 3rd team can displace any of the players in the first or second team from their positions, for 90% of the positions. In the 1st & 2nd team, Man Utd: 9 players, Man City 12 players. This means Utd will have to accept a drop in quality (relative to City) to compete against all teams while City will have full strength. In essence, if your team has a starter (or if the player is near the starting XI) in the 3rd & 4th team in a particular position, you don’t have enough quality for that position (compared with the other team). This analysis is valid for most scenarios. However, there are a few cases that goes against this ideology - like Greenwood’s & Foden’s (just those 2, for me). So, I’m not 100% for this analysis although it shows to some extent which team has the better squad depth. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:28pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
5. The second interpretation is to grade each player in the “rankings”. The top player will get a 10, and the others will be rated depending on how close they are in quality to the top player for that position. GK- Ederson 10 De Gea, 9 Henderson, 9 Jeffers, 7 RB- Cancelo, 10 K. Walker, 10 Wan BIssaka, 7 Dalot, 5 RCB- Varane, 10 Laporte 9 Lindelof, 8 Diaz, p 7 Maguire, p 7 Stones, 6 Bailly, 5 Ake 4 LCB - Maguire, p 10 Diaz, p 10 Laporte, 7 Varane, q 5 Lindelof, q 5 Stones, q 5 Ake, 4 Bailly, 3 LB - L. Shaw, 10 Zinchenko, p 8 Telles, p 8 Mendy, p 8 DM- Rordri, 10 Fernandinho, 9 Matic, 7 Fred, 4 Mctom, 4 CM- KDB, 10 Pogba, 10 Gundogan, 8 McTom, q 6 Fred, q 6 B. SIlva, 5 VDB 4 AM- Bruno Fernandez,10 KDB, 10 Graelish,10 Phil Foden, 8 Pogba, 8 B. Silva, p 7 Gundogan, p 7 VDB, 5 Lingard, 4 RWF - Mahrez,10 Sancho, 9 Greenwood, 8 B. Silva, 7 Rashford, p 5 Sterling, p 5 Ferran Torres,4 Foden, 3 Lingard, q 2 James, q 2 LWF- Graelish, 10 Rashford, 10 Sterling, 10 Sancho, 9 Jesus, 8 Foden, 6 Martial, 6 Lingard, 5 James, 4 CF- Cavani, 10 Jesus, 8 Greenwood, 8 Martial, 5 Rashford, 4 Ferran Torres, 4 GK MAN = 18 (squad depth), 18 (quality squad depth- any player with a contribution less than 5 is removed) De Gea, 9 Henderson, 9 MCI = 17, 17 Ederson 10 Jeffers, 7 Verdict: Man Utd has the better squad depth and also the better quality squad depth. RB- MAN = 12, 12 Wan BIssaka, 7 Dalot, 5 MCI = 20, 20 Cancelo, 10 K. Walker, 10 Verdict: City has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. RCB- MAN = 30, 30 Varane, 10 Lindelof, 8 Maguire, p 7 Bailly, 5 MCI = 26, 22 Laporte 9 Diaz, p 7 Stones, 6 Ake 4 Verdict: Man Utd has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. LCB - MAN = 23, 20 Maguire, p 10 Varane, q 5 Lindelof, q 5 Bailly, 3 MCI = 26, 22 Diaz, p 10 Laporte, 7 Stones, q 5 Ake, 4 Verdict: City has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. LB - MAN = 18, 18 L. Shaw, 10 Telles, p 8 MCI= 16, 16 Zinchenko, p 8 Mendy, p 8 Verdict: Man Utd has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. DM- MAN = 15, 7 Matic, 7 Fred, 4 Mctom, 4 MCI = 19, 19 Rordri, 10 Fernandinho, 9 Verdict: CIty has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. CM- MAN = 26, 22 Pogba, 10 McTom, q 6 Fred, q 6 VDB 4 MCI= 23, 23 KDB, 10 Gundogan, 8 B. SIlva, 5 Verdict: While Man Utd has the better squad depth, CIty has the better squad depth quality. AM- MAN = 27, 23 Bruno Fernandez,10 Pogba, 8 VDB, 5 Lingard, 4 MCI = 42, 42 KDB, 10 Graelish,10 Phil Foden, 8 B. Silva, p 7 Gundogan, p 7 Verdict: City has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. RWF - MAN = 26, 22 Sancho, 9 Greenwood, 8 Rashford, p 5 Lingard, q 2 James, q 2 MCI = 29, 26 Mahrez,10 B. Silva, 7 Sterling, p 5 Ferran Torres,4 Foden, 3 Verdict: City has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. LWF- MAN = 34, 30 Rashford, 10 Sancho, 9 Martial, 6 Lingard, 5 James, 4 MCI = 34, 34 Graelish, 10 Sterling, 10 Jesus, 8 Foden, 6 Verdict: Both teams have the same squad depth but City edges it in terms of squad depth quality. CF- MAN = 27, 23 Cavani, 10 Greenwood, 8 Martial, 5 Rashford, 4 MCI = 12, 8 Jesus, 8 Ferran Torres, 4 Man Utd has the better squad depth and better squad depth quality. City has the better squad depth quality in 7 positions while Utd has 5. If you remove the GK department because you don’t really need squad depth for that position over the course of a season, it’s 7 to 4. In terms of squad depth, it’s 6 to 4. Now, the gulf was way wider before the beginning of this season. If you take away Sancho and Varane, there will be a significant drop in Man Utd’s points. And if you remove Graelish from City’s squad, the drop in points won’t be very much. United made 2 significant additions to their team while City made one addition that, while in itself is a top quality addition, won’t bring about a leap in quality to the team. afrodoc2 capitalcee gloryisaac patrickmuf 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TheLequte: 10:31pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Patrickmuf this is what I was talking about. You can agree or disagree with some points raised or even some of the ratings and we can have a discussion about that. We can choose to use a range of 1-100 for the ratings, etc. However, irrespective of what changes we agree to and arrive at, I believe the conclusion will remain largely unchanged. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:35pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "If you've got a five-year contract or a one-year contract, when you sign for Manchester United you have to rise to the challenge of performing on a consistent level." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:35pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær on Pogba having one year left on his Manchester United contract: "I'm not worried whatsoever that the length of any player's contract is changing the level of their motivation and inspiration." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:36pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "We can't expect Bruno to score a hat-trick every time, of course we can't, we can't score five goals every game. That's not how the world works. What I expect is that the attitude and the approach to every game is the right one." 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 10:36pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:36pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær on Paul Pogba: "As a footballer, when you look around and see good footballers next to you that puts another layer of responsibility on yourself." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:37pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "That we have the same focus, the right focus, the right professionalism and, with that, I have no worries about Paul [Pogba] whatsoever." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:37pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "Paul [Pogba], he's enjoying his football and I've said many times, my job is to make sure we're getting the best out of Paul and Bruno and all the individuals – all the very good players we've got – within a team structure." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:38pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "I knew the headlines were going to be about Paul [Pogba] and Bruno with four assists and three goals [against Leeds] — but it's all the other boys as well and the balance in the team." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:38pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "For me, to make players stay at Manchester United, when you see a good squad and get good results that helps and we want to win things. There was no better place to be when I was a player because we kept on winning." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:39pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "I want to take this team to the next level, we want to start winning trophies, but that requires consistency. We've played one game and [people] are talking about us winning the league." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:39pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "We've cut the deficit to the winning team last season by quite a few points but we still have to take another step or two into the next level." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:39pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær: "We are a well run club. We do have a lot of fans out there and we do have good sponsorship deals. How we get the money, as a manager you want more and more. I have heard 'no' a few times." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:40pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær on Jürgen Klopp's comments on Manchester United finances: "How other clubs run their clubs, there are different models at different clubs. I have started buying electric cars! That is all I want to say about that situation." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 10:40pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
Solskjær on opposition fans chanting at Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford: "With regards to how we handle it, no problem. Jadon and Marcus are both strong characters." |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:41pm On Aug 21, 2021 |
TheLequte:What informed your rating? In defense, we are better, in midfield, they edge it while we are better in attack... |
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